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(Talking Points Memo)   Will the Senate override the house and pass the health care reform bill as written? Will the Tea Party politicians go through with the threatened shutdown? We find out today. It's your official Government Shutdown Threat thread   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 605
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2013-09-30 11:30:54 AM

SlothB77: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Tman144: SlothB77: Is this the thread where we say republicans are terrorists for trying to control spending and prevent our country from bankrupting itself?

Right, republicans want to control spending. That's why they blew up the budget surplus the first chance they got.

Republicans only ever want to control spending when they're not the ones doing the spending.  They ran buck wild under George Bush when they had complete control.

We went to war.  That is a little different than spending money on pork.  Also, since we cut and ran from Iraq it is being overrun by al qaeda again, who is re-strengthening.  We saved money by getting out of Iraq ... until we get terrorized by Al Qaeda of Iraq.


Lol.   Georgie and Dickie threw money at their rich friends with both hands.  They robbed the taxpayer to give vast amounts to corporate interests.
 
2013-09-30 11:31:24 AM
SlothB: We went to war.  That is a little different than spending money on pork.

 I guess I can always consider no-bid government contracts for Halliburton "ham" - still not kosher, tho.
 
2013-09-30 11:32:16 AM

I_C_Weener: The only tool available to stop it at this point is playing chicken.


this is correct

congress is enumerated with both the borrowing power and the spending power so the only possible way to reduce the amount of borrowing is to play chicken with the executive who has no enumerated power to change either of them and risk putting the country into a constitutional crisis that could cause significant financial ruin

i mean it is so simple dems why do you not get this

also you dems may be thinking 'playing chicken' like two opposing vehicles approaching each other as a metaphor for a test of will but of course chicken is actually played by tying one person to a track (in this case america) and demanding another person explain what's in it for you to try to convince you to hit the brakes

look it up, libs
 
2013-09-30 11:32:30 AM

James!: I_C_Weener: James!: Democrats: We have to pay rent.
Republicans: I refuse to pay rent until you cancel your health insurance.
Democrats: What if we get sick?
Republicans: fark YOU! TREE OF LIBERTY!! CONSTITUTION!! SOCIALISM!!
Democrats: I want a new roommate.

Sorta.  Mine would be more along the lines of

Republicans:  I want to pay the rent, but you bought an insurance plan that we can't afford to pay AND pay rent.
Democrats:  We already bought it, quit whining.
Republicans:  Sorry.  We can't pay that and this and keep going this way.
Democrats:  Why not?  Its not our money.

I_C_Weener: James!: Democrats: We have to pay rent.
Republicans: I refuse to pay rent until you cancel your health insurance.
Democrats: What if we get sick?
Republicans: fark YOU! TREE OF LIBERTY!! CONSTITUTION!! SOCIALISM!!
Democrats: I want a new roommate.

Sorta.  Mine would be more along the lines of

Republicans:  I want to pay the rent, but you bought an insurance plan that we can't afford to pay AND pay rent.
Democrats:  We already bought it, quit whining.
Republicans:  Sorry.  We can't pay that and this and keep going this way.
Democrats:  Why not?  Its not our money.

If they want to pay the bills then why are they refusing to pay the bills. We've had this insurance plan for 3 years already.


Because neither side worked it out before this.  They tried the sequester.  It didn't work...though it wasn't the disaster one side pretended it would be.

This isn't there first attempt.

But yes, the Obamacare thing is ridiculous...for lots of reasons.  But you wanted to put it in nice Abbot and Costello routine, so I obliged.  :)
 
2013-09-30 11:32:42 AM

I_C_Weener: FlashHarry: I_C_Weener: What incentive is there to stop spending if the government will just increase its limit everytime?  None.

btw, it's clear that you and a great number of your ilk do not understand what the debt ceiling really is, so here's a primer:

The United States debt ceiling or debt limit is a legislative restriction on the amount of national debt that can be issued by the Treasury. Because expenditures are authorized by separate legislation, the debt ceiling does not actually restrict deficits. In effect, it can only restrain the Treasury from paying for expenditures that have already been incurred.(emphasis mine)

we can certainly discuss spending priorities. but not paying our bills is not an option.

Our spending never goes down.  The only tool available to stop it at this point is playing chicken.


Well, first and foremost, we're on our way towards a deficit reduction.

But you also have to consider that this is the obvious result of a representative form of government. As the population grows, so must representation and supporting staff.

But also consider this: a large government isn't inherently bad. A small government isn't inherently good. Instead of focusing on size - we should be focusing on efficacy.
 
2013-09-30 11:33:05 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: double post punchbuggy!
you owe me a coke.


I can't give you a coke over the internet.  Have some TF.
 
2013-09-30 11:33:56 AM

I_C_Weener: Our spending never goes down.  The only tool available to stop it at this point is playing chicken.


that only works if somebody blinks.

the dems won't blink (nor should they - obamacare is the law of the land and has been voted on, signed, upheld as constitutional and reaffirmed by an election).

and the tea party won't blink.

so where does that leave us?
 
2013-09-30 11:33:57 AM

Aristocles: How much you wanna bet that BOB takes the free time to play golf?


Is golf more evil than clearing brush on a ranch? Is there a Scale of Evilness for Presidential Leiusure Activities we could refer to?
 
2013-09-30 11:34:29 AM

James!: HindiDiscoMonster: double post punchbuggy!
you owe me a coke.

I can't give you a coke over the internet.  Have some TF.


LOL... thanks
 
2013-09-30 11:34:37 AM

I_C_Weener: This isn't there first attempt.

But yes, the Obamacare thing is ridiculous...for lots of reasons.  But you wanted to put it in nice Abbot and Costello routine, so I obliged.  :)


James!: Who is the House Majority Leader.
I_C_Weener: THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING YOU!!
 
2013-09-30 11:35:51 AM
SlothB77: We heard the same fear mongering about the Sequester.  then, during the heart of the sequester, the Dow Jones and S&P hit all-time record highs for about 13 or 14 straight days.  And several more all time record highs in the following month or two.  They hit new all time record highs about a week and a half ago.  No one buys this garbage anymore.  You have cried wolf too many times now.

Oh! I GET it!  As long as wall street and investors are okay, we don't need to fund the government on time while zealots try to kill health care law.

"I got mine"?
 
2013-09-30 11:35:55 AM
I predict lots of frustrated runners and cyclists on the DC and NoVA paths tomorrow. And I've seen tweets asking about the best 'non-essential happy hour' specials around town. Knowing my team at the Pentagon, those activities aren't mutually exclusive.
 
2013-09-30 11:36:04 AM

SlothB77: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Tman144: SlothB77: Is this the thread where we say republicans are terrorists for trying to control spending and prevent our country from bankrupting itself?

Right, republicans want to control spending. That's why they blew up the budget surplus the first chance they got.

Republicans only ever want to control spending when they're not the ones doing the spending.  They ran buck wild under George Bush when they had complete control.

We went to war.  That is a little different than spending money on pork.  Also, since we cut and ran from Iraq it is being overrun by al qaeda again, who is re-strengthening.  We saved money by getting out of Iraq ... until we get terrorized by Al Qaeda of Iraq.


So I guess we never should have invaded Iraq in the first place.
 
2013-09-30 11:36:39 AM

djRykoSuave: cwolf20: Meh.. when ObamaCare decides to do something crazy and actually allow a friend's pre-existing condition to be covered, then maybe I'll care.

Until then, it's just another medical plan that won't help with the hundred thousand minimum testing bills followed by the over 300,000 in bills for the actual fix.  Resulting in her being able to drive down the road without randomly being temporarily paralyzed from the waist down.  She even has the joys and wonders of knowing that some day she will be permanently paralyzed from the waist down.

(Ah, medical profession friends who like other medical profession people get advanced copies of all the revisions to any new health policies/laws/regulations)

I feel like this was meant to be coherent..........?


It was, I understood it. I didn't even need caffeine
 
2013-09-30 11:36:40 AM

SlothB77: We heard the same fear mongering about the Sequester.


no, you heard that the sequester would harm the economy. which is true. it is harming the economy.

defaulting on the debt, however, is different. it won't just harm the economy, it runs the risk of decimating the economy. just flirting with it in 2011 caused our credit rating to be downgraded and billions of dollars to disappear from the markets.

do you think that destroying the economy is a good idea?
 
2013-09-30 11:37:04 AM

SlothB77: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Tman144: SlothB77: Is this the thread where we say republicans are terrorists for trying to control spending and prevent our country from bankrupting itself?

Right, republicans want to control spending. That's why they blew up the budget surplus the first chance they got.

Republicans only ever want to control spending when they're not the ones doing the spending.  They ran buck wild under George Bush when they had complete control.

We went to war.  That is a little different than spending money on pork.  Also, since we cut and ran from Iraq it is being overrun by al qaeda again, who is re-strengthening.  We saved money by getting out of Iraq ... until we get terrorized by Al Qaeda of Iraq.


I was told that the Mission was Accomplished way back in 2003.
 
2013-09-30 11:37:59 AM

FlashHarry: I_C_Weener: Our spending never goes down.  The only tool available to stop it at this point is playing chicken.

that only works if somebody blinks.

the dems won't blink (nor should they - obamacare is the law of the land and has been voted on, signed, upheld as constitutional and reaffirmed by an election).

and the tea party won't blink.

so where does that leave us?


Shutdown.  I give it 5-7 days.
 
2013-09-30 11:39:26 AM

cwolf20: djRykoSuave: cwolf20: Meh.. when ObamaCare decides to do something crazy and actually allow a friend's pre-existing condition to be covered, then maybe I'll care.

Until then, it's just another medical plan that won't help with the hundred thousand minimum testing bills followed by the over 300,000 in bills for the actual fix.  Resulting in her being able to drive down the road without randomly being temporarily paralyzed from the waist down.  She even has the joys and wonders of knowing that some day she will be permanently paralyzed from the waist down.

(Ah, medical profession friends who like other medical profession people get advanced copies of all the revisions to any new health policies/laws/regulations)

I feel like this was meant to be coherent..........?

It was, I understood it. I didn't even need caffeine


This is your brain on cwolf20...
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-09-30 11:40:29 AM

006deluxe: I was told that the Mission was Accomplished way back in 2003.


haven't you heard? the republicans have disowned bush. in fact, i saw somewhere that 25 percent of them blame the botched katrina response on obama.
 
2013-09-30 11:42:44 AM

Aristocles: How much you wanna bet that BOB takes the free time to play golf?


Who is Bob?
 
2013-09-30 11:44:03 AM
Aristocles: Go ahead, defend the man that's holding America hostage!

Well - okay - orange isn't really that bad a color and, really, who doesn't tear up now and then? As for the drinking, i would probably, too, having to be Speaker of the House.
 
2013-09-30 11:44:30 AM

Aristocles: jayhawk88: Aristocles: How much you wanna bet that BOB takes the free time to play golf?

Is golf more evil than clearing brush on a ranch? Is there a Scale of Evilness for Presidential Leiusure Activities we could refer to?

Clearing brush on a ranch is maintenance, not leisure. BOB pretending to be a golfer is just more buffoonery from an amateur "leader."

Go ahead, defend the man that's holding America hostage!


I actually started reading this and thought it was some other poster mocking you before I saw your name. I'm not sure whether that's a sign of a "good troll" or "bad troll".
 
2013-09-30 11:44:46 AM

FlashHarry: 006deluxe: I was told that the Mission was Accomplished way back in 2003.

haven't you heard? the republicans have disowned bush. in fact, i saw somewhere that 25 percent of them blame the botched katrina response on obama.


If there were no other data upon which to describe the far right as delusional racists, that statistic alone would be enough.

Thankfully, we're up to our necks in their bullshiat.
 
2013-09-30 11:45:55 AM

Aristocles: How much you wanna bet that BOB takes the free time to play golf?


I saw that on facebook too.
 
2013-09-30 11:48:10 AM

SlothB77: Tman144: SlothB77: Is this the thread where we say republicans are terrorists for trying to control spending and prevent our country from bankrupting itself?

Right, republicans want to control spending. That's why they blew up the budget surplus the first chance they got.

There was no surplus.  That is a myth.  It was simply Clintonian accounting smoke and mirrors.


Um...no.
 
2013-09-30 11:48:44 AM

006deluxe: Aristocles: jayhawk88: Aristocles: How much you wanna bet that BOB takes the free time to play golf?

Is golf more evil than clearing brush on a ranch? Is there a Scale of Evilness for Presidential Leiusure Activities we could refer to?

Clearing brush on a ranch is maintenance, not leisure. BOB pretending to be a golfer is just more buffoonery from an amateur "leader."

Go ahead, defend the man that's holding America hostage!

I actually started reading this and thought it was some other poster mocking you before I saw your name. I'm not sure whether that's a sign of a "good troll" or "bad troll".


Go with "not-yet-ready-for-prime-time troll".  This is his new alt, and he hasn't quite found his feet yet.  He used to be funny in a kind of goofy way, but he's gotten some tips from old hands, and has gone well into deep derp territory.  Kind of like a kid who takes his first plunge into the deep end of the pool, he's floundering a bit.

And yes, he has admitted publicly that this is his troll alt.
 
2013-09-30 11:49:58 AM

Kuroshin: 006deluxe: Aristocles: jayhawk88: Aristocles: How much you wanna bet that BOB takes the free time to play golf?

Is golf more evil than clearing brush on a ranch? Is there a Scale of Evilness for Presidential Leiusure Activities we could refer to?

Clearing brush on a ranch is maintenance, not leisure. BOB pretending to be a golfer is just more buffoonery from an amateur "leader."

Go ahead, defend the man that's holding America hostage!

I actually started reading this and thought it was some other poster mocking you before I saw your name. I'm not sure whether that's a sign of a "good troll" or "bad troll".

Go with "not-yet-ready-for-prime-time troll".  This is his new alt, and he hasn't quite found his feet yet.  He used to be funny in a kind of goofy way, but he's gotten some tips from old hands, and has gone well into deep derp territory.  Kind of like a kid who takes his first plunge into the deep end of the pool, he's floundering a bit.

And yes, he has admitted publicly that this is his troll alt.


hmmmm... flounder troll.... I think I have a new label... thanks. :)
 
2013-09-30 11:50:38 AM
JusticeandIndependence:

Who is Bob?

Bob Dole.  But what he has to do with all this, I have no idea.
 
2013-09-30 11:52:14 AM
If the government shuts down I hope the Dems are smart enough to submit a one page bill EVERY DAY (or more frequently if possible) that simply states that the government will be funded for the next few months (or year).  In other words a bill that does nothing more than stop the shutdown.

Then I will pray the Republicans will do what is right for the US people and the economy...instead of just watching the place burn and laughing.

I give it about 50/50.
 
2013-09-30 11:52:50 AM

sprawl15: Kuroshin: sprawl15: James!: SlothB77: Is this the thread where we say republicans are terrorists for trying to control spending and prevent our country from bankrupting itself?

This is the equivalent of saying "We need to save money, stop paying our bills".

skip meals to save money for food

No, it's not skipping a meal to save money on food.  It's eating the meal, then skipping out on the check.

The TeaTards want to dine-and-dash.

oh ok


If you don't have the money in the first place, don't eat the food.
 
2013-09-30 11:54:36 AM

SlothB77: If you don't have the money in the first place, don't eat the food.


Do you mean "order" the food or have you just never eaten somewhere that isn't a buffet?
 
2013-09-30 11:54:47 AM

Voiceofreason01: parasol: hasty ambush: We should see this as an opportunity.  Only essential government workers/services  will continue and that gives us a starting point for our budget and where to cut.


  As someone who was once deemed "essential personnel" with "non essential staff" let me disagree. Essential generally means "you have to stay during a crisis (ie a shutdown, a hurricane) and do your work with no support".

  Or - if this helps?  In the traditional nuclear family, Mom, Dad and two kids - only one parent is really essential.

  It really isn't the opportunity you might picture.

Also things like Passport services, custodial staff for Gov't buildings, most of the national weather service staff and a lot of other things that you are going to miss are not "essential"


Last shutdown was for 28 days we got along fine.
 
2013-09-30 11:55:31 AM

ManateeGag: JusticeandIndependence:

Who is Bob?

Bob Dole.  But what he has to do with all this, I have no idea.


At first I thought he was talking about Bob Kane, but then I realized he was dead... so then I thought, ok maybe it's Bob Weir and I just couldn't figure out what the greatful dead would have to do with this till I realize that Socrates was famous for saying "I drank what?" and then it all became clear... The poison that socrates took would have caused him to hallucinate, very much like Bob Weir during songwriting sessions.
 
2013-09-30 11:56:27 AM

Aristocles: jayhawk88: Aristocles: How much you wanna bet that BOB takes the free time to play golf?

Is golf more evil than clearing brush on a ranch? Is there a Scale of Evilness for Presidential Leiusure Activities we could refer to?

Clearing brush on a ranch is maintenance, not leisure. BOB pretending to be a golfer is just more buffoonery from an amateur "leader."

Go ahead, defend the man that's holding America hostage!


What about the caddy who has the opportunity to work for Obama while golfing? How many jobs were lost when President Bush insisted on maintaining his brush for the 1000+ vacation days he took?
 
2013-09-30 11:58:21 AM

Tman144: SlothB77: Is this the thread where we say republicans are terrorists for trying to control spending and prevent our country from bankrupting itself?

Right, republicans want to control spending. That's why they blew up the budget surplus the first chance they got.


You guys talk like if the house wasn't controlled by a Republican majority, the democrats would spend frugally.  But we all know a Washington with democratic majorities in both branches would produce the kind of social largesse that would make Greece blush.  The Republicans in the house are the reason spending is being controlled to the extent it is under Obama.
 
2013-09-30 12:00:05 PM

SlothB77: You guys talk like if the house wasn't controlled by a Republican majority, the democrats would spend frugally.  But we all know a Washington with democratic majorities in both branches would produce the kind of social largesse that would make Greece blush.  The Republicans in the house are the reason spending is being controlled to the extent it is under Obama


So the Republicans are shutting down the government for our own good?
 
2013-09-30 12:03:02 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-09-30 12:03:43 PM

DeaH: cman: DeaH: It's not negotiation unless both sides want opposite things. The Democrats want to avoid hurting the economy, so they want to raise the debt ceiling. If the Republicans think that's negotiable, then they want to harm the American economy. If that's what they want, who wants to give them anything?

They don't believe it will hurt the economy

It certainly hurt the economy the last time they didn't automatically raise the debt ceiling. The Republicans, as a whole, just cannot be that stupid, but, if they really are, then the Democrats only response can be a demand for the mass resignation of all Republicans.



Raise the debt ceiling but get some fiscal responsibility behind it.  Democrats just want government with a blank check and they are willing to wreck thing to get it.  The Democrats are the ones who should resign


Last shutdown was for 28 days and according to BBC radio this morning it was a pinprick on the overall  economy.
 
2013-09-30 12:05:20 PM

hasty ambush: DeaH: cman: DeaH: It's not negotiation unless both sides want opposite things. The Democrats want to avoid hurting the economy, so they want to raise the debt ceiling. If the Republicans think that's negotiable, then they want to harm the American economy. If that's what they want, who wants to give them anything?

They don't believe it will hurt the economy

It certainly hurt the economy the last time they didn't automatically raise the debt ceiling. The Republicans, as a whole, just cannot be that stupid, but, if they really are, then the Democrats only response can be a demand for the mass resignation of all Republicans.


Raise the debt ceiling but get some fiscal responsibility behind it.  Democrats just want government with a blank check and they are willing to wreck thing to get it.  The Democrats are the ones who should resign


Last shutdown was for 28 days and according to BBC radio this morning it was a pinprick on the overall  economy.


Context is important. What sort of state was the economy in to begin with at that point?
 
2013-09-30 12:05:48 PM

Soup4Bonnie: SlothB77: You guys talk like if the house wasn't controlled by a Republican majority, the democrats would spend frugally.  But we all know a Washington with democratic majorities in both branches would produce the kind of social largesse that would make Greece blush.  The Republicans in the house are the reason spending is being controlled to the extent it is under Obama

So the Republicans are shutting down the government for our own good?


they didn't want to hit us, but it was for our own good.
 
2013-09-30 12:06:06 PM

sprawl15: SlothB77: If you don't have the money in the first place, don't eat the food.

Do you mean "order" the food or have you just never eaten somewhere that isn't a buffet?


because the GOP makes a big deal out of it, people who don't normally pay attention to this political budget stuff - and politics doesn't get any less sexy or interesting than budget debates - are saying to themselves at home 'boy, they sure do raise the debt limit a lot.  that is a pretty big number.'
 
2013-09-30 12:07:30 PM

hasty ambush: Voiceofreason01: parasol: hasty ambush: We should see this as an opportunity.  Only essential government workers/services  will continue and that gives us a starting point for our budget and where to cut.


  As someone who was once deemed "essential personnel" with "non essential staff" let me disagree. Essential generally means "you have to stay during a crisis (ie a shutdown, a hurricane) and do your work with no support".

  Or - if this helps?  In the traditional nuclear family, Mom, Dad and two kids - only one parent is really essential.

  It really isn't the opportunity you might picture.

Also things like Passport services, custodial staff for Gov't buildings, most of the national weather service staff and a lot of other things that you are going to miss are not "essential"

Last shutdown was for 28 days we got along fine.


No. We didn't. Some staff worked, unpaid, in order to keep some services intact.

We're also kind of in the middle of cleaning up disasters like the Colorado flooding.
 
2013-09-30 12:10:35 PM

SlothB77: Tman144: SlothB77: Is this the thread where we say republicans are terrorists for trying to control spending and prevent our country from bankrupting itself?

Right, republicans want to control spending. That's why they blew up the budget surplus the first chance they got.

You guys talk like if the house wasn't controlled by a Republican majority, the democrats would spend frugally.  But we all know a Washington with democratic majorities in both branches would produce the kind of social largesse that would make Greece blush.  The Republicans in the house are the reason spending is being controlled to the extent it is under Obama.


Ah so you're also opposed to recent history, too. Whenever you see the spend by party from Carter onward - do you just burrow your head? How do you reconcile your imaginary world with reality?
 
2013-09-30 12:11:19 PM
Well, the markets are reeling globally already.

The last shut down in the 90s lowered American GDP by half a percentage point before it was resolved and the US economy is not in as good shape now as it was then.

Also the global markets then didn't have the cautionary example we have now of the last time the GOP held the debt ceiling bill hostage in the back of their minds.

This could get very ugly indeed.
 
2013-09-30 12:13:32 PM
Dear Republicans:
michaelgraham.com

i1.ytimg.com
GOVERNMENT DOES NOT WORK THIS WAY. TAKE BACK THE SENATE AND WHITE HOUSE AND THEN REPEAL THE ACA. OR PROPOSE AN ALTERNATIVE WHICH IS NOT THE EXACT SAME BILL (BUT SUBMITTED BY YOU). UNTIL THEN STFU AND GBTW.

/is the ACA perfect? No. Single-payer would have been better. But the ACA is better than nothing.
//end rant
 
2013-09-30 12:13:52 PM
Hasty Ambush: Raise the debt ceiling but get some fiscal responsibility behind it.  Democrats just want government with a blank check and they are willing to wreck thing to get it

yes because the democrats alone approve spending and the budget to cover it.
and also because raising the debt ceiling is JUST like cutting costs to the budget

 a "pinprick" the US economy is how much? is it more or less than the 2 billion it costs JUST to shut the government down?  those pinpricks? they do add up

still waiting for the total cost of attempts to repeal the ACA - LOTS of pinpricks there
 
2013-09-30 12:14:59 PM

SlothB77: Tman144: SlothB77: Is this the thread where we say republicans are terrorists for trying to control spending and prevent our country from bankrupting itself?

Right, republicans want to control spending. That's why they blew up the budget surplus the first chance they got.

You guys talk like if the house wasn't controlled by a Republican majority, the democrats would spend frugally.  But we all know a Washington with democratic majorities in both branches would produce the kind of social largesse that would make Greece blush.  The Republicans in the house are the reason spending is being controlled to the extent it is under Obama.


You know that. Because you made it up.

In reality Democrats tend to spend less than Republicans. Increase the debt to use as leverage against programs we don't like is a stated GOP strategy since Reagan.
 
2013-09-30 12:16:12 PM

quatchi: This could get very ugly indeed.


It's already ugly.

"Because of the uncertainty of budget constraints and a possible government shutdown, the 1457th [Engineer Battalion] will transport vehicles and equipment to work sites and then return to Utah. Once funding issues have been resolved, which is anticipated to be the first week of October, approximately 120 soldiers of the 1457th will return to Colorado to complete their mission," the Utah National Guard said in a statement released late Tuesday.

John Boehner asks that you hold off any more disasters until they sort out this whole financing the government thingie. Disaster relief needs to be appropriated. Thanks bunches!
 
2013-09-30 12:19:26 PM

Bontesla: hasty ambush: Voiceofreason01: parasol: hasty ambush: We should see this as an opportunity.  Only essential government workers/services  will continue and that gives us a starting point for our budget and where to cut.


  As someone who was once deemed "essential personnel" with "non essential staff" let me disagree. Essential generally means "you have to stay during a crisis (ie a shutdown, a hurricane) and do your work with no support".

  Or - if this helps?  In the traditional nuclear family, Mom, Dad and two kids - only one parent is really essential.

  It really isn't the opportunity you might picture.

Also things like Passport services, custodial staff for Gov't buildings, most of the national weather service staff and a lot of other things that you are going to miss are not "essential"

Last shutdown was for 28 days we got along fine.

No. We didn't. Some staff worked, unpaid, in order to keep some services intact.

We're also kind of in the middle of cleaning up disasters like the Colorado flooding.


I'll be working.  The people that send my checks won't though.  So that's always lovely.  Not sure what's better, not working and run the risk of no backpay, or work and have the same financial issues + gas and everything else with no opportunity to make some of that money back (was going to carpool students to and from the private school my exchange student goes to for like 50 bucks a week per person), and then have everyone get backpay so no vacation for me.

And who knows what will happen to my wife's family.  Her brother is supposed to become a us citizen I think Friday and she has some sort of fingerprint interview to get closer to hers mid oct.
 
2013-09-30 12:20:34 PM

hasty ambush: Last shutdown was for 28 days and according to BBC radio this morning it was a pinprick on the overall economy.


First, the 28 days was cumulative between two separate shutdowns, one of 6 days, and one of 22 days.

Second, the longer shutdown mostly overlapped the Christmas/New Year holiday season, when many government workers wouldn't have been in the office anyway.  They just didn't get paid.

I wouldn't use that as an absolute analogue for what a prolonged shutdown might mean now.
 
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