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2013-09-30 10:53:01 AM  

Earguy: What leaves me scratching my head is the fact that uninsured people are a big problem in the USA.  They use hospital emergency rooms as their primary care, the most expensive way to do it.  If they need major medical care, they either put the burden on hospitals (private corporations, yay), and ultimately the hard-working, tax-paying Americans.

So now there is a new law, yet to be enacted, offering a four-tiered option of lower cost health insurance.   If someone chooses, or can't, pay for even that, there is a tax of about $100 a year (I think) to cover the uninsured population when they get hit by a bus.

So, more people get insurance of some sort.  There's a fund to pay for the uninsured.  And Republicans are opposing this, why?  Are they really so short sighted and uncaring for America that they want to hurt corporations and taxpayers?  Do they really want to sabotage the Democrats that badly?


As usual, it's all about money.  Obamacare forces transparency into the insurance and medical industries, areas that are aggressively opaque by law.  Transparency leads to lower prices, which cuts into the bottom line of big insurers, big pharma, and the AMA.
 
2013-09-30 10:53:31 AM  
I considered bringing in a cake today.  I couldn't decide whether to write "Yay! I'm non-essential!" or "Cake makes everything better...right?"  Then I realized it would take just one person not "finding it funny" to make a scene, so I brought nothing.

Maybe I'll bring a "welcome back" cake when this is all said and done.
 
2013-09-30 10:53:54 AM  

czetie: The irony here is that this is not a battle between the House and the Senate, as Subby seems to think, nor even between Republican and Democratic parties, as the media -- terrified of being accused of not being even-handed -- will say.

This is a battle between the majority of the Republican party in Congress and an extremist faction of the Republican party. The extremists want do to something never seen before in our democracy: use the threat of economic chaos to achieve a political goal that they couldn't achieve through the Presidential election, nor even muster enough support for in a thoroughly gerrymandered and unrepresentative Congress. What the Tea Party is demanding here is not "negotiation" nor "compromise": it is "give us all our demands or we will shoot the hostage".

The sad part is that there is a very simple and straightforward resolution to this whole business. It requires Boehner and the mainstream House GOP Caucus to stand up and say "you in the Tea Party are damaging our party and our cause. By being intransigent and extreme, we are achieving none of our goals, rather than at least some of them. We have tried in good faith to accommodate you but there is no give on your part, only take." Then Boehner together with the Democrats in the House pass a clean CR, and the Tea Party is cut adrift.

Of course, that's never going to happen, and a big part of the reason is that so many in the GOP House are terrified of being primaried; and the reason they are at risk for that is, of course, the unlimited outside funding unleashed by Citizens United. Thanks to that turd dropped into the electoral punchbowl by the Supreme Court, the rich are now able to use the extremist rump of an unpopular minority party to hold the entire democratic process hostage to their demands. What a great country.


Yes... but it only works as long as everyone watches TV. And as more an more people fall on harder and harder times, they will watch a lot less of it. Cable TV is expensive. Digital TV doesn't have the range of the old analog band. And the analog bands were sold to the mobile companies. You also have the other problem in that TV is primarily funded through advertisements. Poor people don't buy very much, so even if the GOP handed out TVs from the back of a truck, the stations that produce the content will be going out of business if they can't get advertisers for the non-election years.

Consumer spending is 2/3rds of our economy. We have been chipping away at viable livelihoods for 30 years. And the irony is, when we finally hit rock bottom, the people that will be the most screwed are the rich.
 
2013-09-30 10:54:13 AM  

badhatharry: THE TEA PARTY IS NOT THREATENING SHUT DOWN! THEY DON'T WANT A SHUTDOWN! THEY WANT TO NEGOTIATE!

THE DEMOCRATS WANT THE SHUT DOWN! THEY REFUSE TO NEGOTIATE!


I can't take it anymore


Uh, yeah they are.

The GOP:
Tried to get Obamacare repealed.  They failed.
Tried to get Obamacare declared unconstitutional.  They failed.
Tried to get Obamacare funding cut.  Over 40 times.  They failed.
Tried to run a presidential candidate on the idea of getting Obamacare repealed.  They failed.
Tried to hold the country hostage with "Get rid of Obamacare or we'll shut down the government!".  They are currently failing.

It isn't the Democrats that are to blame for this.  They're just as tired of the tea party's shiat as the rest of us, and they've stopped even pretending to give a shiat about what these extremists want.
 
2013-09-30 10:54:59 AM  

Brick-House: Turfshoe: Is this the Breaking Bad thread?

Obamscare as bad as method, so yeah


You and/or your mobile device is on meth.
 
2013-09-30 10:55:25 AM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: I_C_Weener: spartacus_prime: Whoever wins, we lose.

If we changed the procedure in Congress to something like this, we all win.

a.  To propose a bill, you must either in man to man combat or by picking a champion, defeat the Majority Leader or Speaker.

b.  To filibuster, you must be able to hold the floor against a pack of rabid wolves let loose in the chamber.

c.  To propose an amendment which increases spending for the benefit of your constituents, you have to prove the existence of Big Foot with hair samples, and photographic evidence.

BUST A DEAL, FACE THE WHEEL!!!

/Also, d. Everytime you run for re-election, you lose a digit. Or appendage, once the digits are gone.


So it's like a term limit, if you no longer have hands for hand-to-hand combat.
 
2013-09-30 10:55:35 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: OlderGuy: And more food for thought...  ACA aka Obamacare authorizes the government to  monitor your bank accounts 'in near real time' and allows them to 'deduct' any fees and/ or penalties.. you can't stop it..  also, not connected with ACA, a push has been on for a while to enact a 1% transaction tax on your bank accounts.. all transactions..   did a GIS.. it,s there....  hows that hope and change working for you?

Already been debunked.


enough with your commie facts and soshulist truth.
 
2013-09-30 10:55:42 AM  

Earguy: What leaves me scratching my head is the fact that uninsured people are a big problem in the USA.  They use hospital emergency rooms as their primary care, the most expensive way to do it.  If they need major medical care, they either put the burden on hospitals (private corporations, yay), and ultimately the hard-working, tax-paying Americans.


So let's change the operations procedures at the emergency room.  Have some primary care options at the emergency room so that people can be guided to another area to have some help.  That way the hospital can benefit as well as the patient.
 
2013-09-30 10:56:05 AM  

OlderGuy: And more food for thought...  ACA aka Obamacare authorizes the government to  monitor your bank accounts 'in near real time' and allows them to 'deduct' any fees and/ or penalties.. you can't stop it..  also, not connected with ACA, a push has been on for a while to enact a 1% transaction tax on your bank accounts.. all transactions..   did a GIS.. it,s there....  hows that hope and change working for you?


Wrong.  This section your mentioning aims to simplify electronic payments for health services, the same sort of electronic payments that already are common for such things as utility bills or mortgage payments. The bill calls for the secretary of Health and Human Services to set standards for electronic administrative transactions that would "enable electronic funds transfers, in order to allow automated reconciliation with the related health care payment and remittance advice." There is no mention of "individual bank accounts" nor of any new government authority over them. Also, the section does not say that electronic payments from consumers is required.
 
2013-09-30 10:56:09 AM  

ariseatex: I considered bringing in a cake today.  I couldn't decide whether to write "Yay! I'm non-essential!" or "Cake makes everything better...right?"  Then I realized it would take just one person not "finding it funny" to make a scene, so I brought nothing.

Maybe I'll bring a "welcome back" cake when this is all said and done.


Should have gone with, "Good luck, we're all counting on you"

\\or "Pray for Mojo"
 
2013-09-30 10:56:35 AM  
Is this the thread where we say republicans are terrorists for trying to control spending and prevent our country from bankrupting itself?
 
2013-09-30 10:56:52 AM  

Edymnion: badhatharry: THE TEA PARTY IS NOT THREATENING SHUT DOWN! THEY DON'T WANT A SHUTDOWN! THEY WANT TO NEGOTIATE!

THE DEMOCRATS WANT THE SHUT DOWN! THEY REFUSE TO NEGOTIATE!


I can't take it anymore

Uh, yeah they are.

The GOP:
Tried to get Obamacare repealed.  They failed.
Tried to get Obamacare declared unconstitutional.  They failed.
Tried to get Obamacare funding cut.  Over 40 times.  They failed.
Tried to run a presidential candidate on the idea of getting Obamacare repealed.  They failed.
Tried to hold the country hostage with "Get rid of Obamacare or we'll shut down the government!".  They are currently failing.

It isn't the Democrats that are to blame for this.  They're just as tired of the tea party's shiat as the rest of us, and they've stopped even pretending to give a shiat about what these extremists want.


Its even got me to tone down on my "both sides are bad" spiel.

This is a manufactured crisis and it is the responsibility of one party alone
 
2013-09-30 10:57:57 AM  

SlothB77: Is this the thread where we say republicans are terrorists for trying to control spending and prevent our country from bankrupting itself?


This is the equivalent of saying "We need to save money, stop paying our bills".
 
2013-09-30 10:59:44 AM  

SlothB77: Is this the thread where we say republicans are terrorists for trying to control spending and prevent our country from bankrupting itself?


Right, republicans want to control spending. That's why they blew up the budget surplus the first chance they got.
 
2013-09-30 10:59:51 AM  

OlderGuy: Brick-House: phrawgh: I certainly hope it is not too early to blame Obama!

How can we blame BOB, all he's done is play golf.

He is not a leader, he doesn't like America, he is out to destroy America, and he is doing it..  Our only hope now is that true Americans like Ted Cruz and the Conservative Party are joined by fellow Americans who are fed up with the antics of the Old Guard ( both parties) and throw them out.  Dump Obamacare and Obama, freeze the debt limit, and stop the reckless spending.  The Sleeping Giant better get off it's ass and get it's priorities in order, and do what needs to be done... the time is NOW !  Use it or lose it..   If obamacare is enacted, we,re done.  the government will be sleeping in our beds at night, looting our bank accounts, fully dictating how we live.. We are swirling the drain, people... get off your ass and put in the plug !


Yeah, Obama's destroying America!!!  Well, except for:

The deficit is falling at a faster rate than it has in the last 60 years.

And we currently have a budget surplus.

Considering the cliff this country was headed for when the guy first come into office, that's not too bad.  Apologies if this has already been mentioned.  I got to the thread late.
 
2013-09-30 11:00:13 AM  

cman: Edymnion: badhatharry: THE TEA PARTY IS NOT THREATENING SHUT DOWN! THEY DON'T WANT A SHUTDOWN! THEY WANT TO NEGOTIATE!

THE DEMOCRATS WANT THE SHUT DOWN! THEY REFUSE TO NEGOTIATE!


I can't take it anymore

Uh, yeah they are.

The GOP:
Tried to get Obamacare repealed.  They failed.
Tried to get Obamacare declared unconstitutional.  They failed.
Tried to get Obamacare funding cut.  Over 40 times.  They failed.
Tried to run a presidential candidate on the idea of getting Obamacare repealed.  They failed.
Tried to hold the country hostage with "Get rid of Obamacare or we'll shut down the government!".  They are currently failing.

It isn't the Democrats that are to blame for this.  They're just as tired of the tea party's shiat as the rest of us, and they've stopped even pretending to give a shiat about what these extremists want.

Its even got me to tone down on my "both sides are bad" spiel.

This is a manufactured crisis and it is the responsibility of one party alone


Ah, so that's what happened. I was wondering when you'd gotten so reasonable.

/another she doesn't ignore "trolls." Sometimes, they come around.
 
2013-09-30 11:00:15 AM  

I_C_Weener: Prank Call of Cthulhu: I_C_Weener: spartacus_prime: Whoever wins, we lose.

If we changed the procedure in Congress to something like this, we all win.

a.  To propose a bill, you must either in man to man combat or by picking a champion, defeat the Majority Leader or Speaker.

b.  To filibuster, you must be able to hold the floor against a pack of rabid wolves let loose in the chamber.

c.  To propose an amendment which increases spending for the benefit of your constituents, you have to prove the existence of Big Foot with hair samples, and photographic evidence.

BUST A DEAL, FACE THE WHEEL!!!

/Also, d. Everytime you run for re-election, you lose a digit. Or appendage, once the digits are gone.

I like these ideas.  Keep them coming.


Every time someone has the floor to speak they are suspended with cables over a shark tank. Cables are automatically controlled by a computer running an American idol style voting scheme. Everyone watching at home can text 'up' or 'down' to raise or lower them an inch.

That'll get people watching c-span.
 
2013-09-30 11:01:13 AM  
^another reason, even
 
2013-09-30 11:01:23 AM  

Tman144: SlothB77: Is this the thread where we say republicans are terrorists for trying to control spending and prevent our country from bankrupting itself?

Right, republicans want to control spending. That's why they blew up the budget surplus the first chance they got.


Republicans only ever want to control spending when they're not the ones doing the spending.  They ran buck wild under George Bush when they had complete control.
 
2013-09-30 11:01:25 AM  

JusticeandIndependence: Earguy: What leaves me scratching my head is the fact that uninsured people are a big problem in the USA.  They use hospital emergency rooms as their primary care, the most expensive way to do it.  If they need major medical care, they either put the burden on hospitals (private corporations, yay), and ultimately the hard-working, tax-paying Americans.

So let's change the operations procedures at the emergency room.  Have some primary care options at the emergency room so that people can be guided to another area to have some help.  That way the hospital can benefit as well as the patient.


That would make it a "hospital", not an emergency room. And that is what they are not allowed to use because they do not have health insurance.
 
2013-09-30 11:05:19 AM  

James!: SlothB77: Is this the thread where we say republicans are terrorists for trying to control spending and prevent our country from bankrupting itself?

This is the equivalent of saying "We need to save money, stop paying our bills".


skip meals to save money for food
 
2013-09-30 11:05:36 AM  

Earguy: So, more people get insurance of some sort. There's a fund to pay for the uninsured. And Republicans are opposing this, why? Are they really so short sighted and uncaring for America that they want to hurt corporations and taxpayers? Do they really want to sabotage the Democrats that badly?


The health insurance companies have been paying off the GOP for decades to rig the game in their favor.  That's why the health care system in America sucks so badly.  Now they're facing the end game where people are about to wake up and realize they've been eating dog shiat all these years, and the GOP is not looking forward to that moment of reckoning.
 
2013-09-30 11:07:04 AM  

James!: SlothB77: Is this the thread where we say republicans are terrorists for trying to control spending and prevent our country from bankrupting itself?

This is the equivalent of saying "We need to save money, stop paying our bills".


Or, stop paying ridiculous stuff, pay the bills instead...but we aren't borrowing any more to pay borrowed debt.

Or at least that is what it should be about.  Instead,  its about the Republicans saying that, but hanging an albatross around the negotiations by cutting Obamacare instead of...you know...useful stuff.  And the Senate refusing to come up with alternatives to raising the debt celing.

Republicans...no raising the debt ceiling...also we hate Obamacare, so we'll raise it if you drop that....so neither of us win.

Democrats...we have to raise the debt ceiling, period.

Buncha kids.
 
2013-09-30 11:07:32 AM  

SlothB77: Is this the thread where we say republicans are terrorists for trying to control spending and prevent our country from bankrupting itself?


no, it's the one where you threadshiat and leave, like you always do.

but just in case you're interested:

• the GOP is threatening to let america default on its debt obligations if its political demands aren't met.
• this will cause massive harm to the US and global economies.
• by definition, this is terrorism.

so, yes, i suppose you're right.
 
2013-09-30 11:09:26 AM  

I_C_Weener: Democrats...we have to raise the debt ceiling, period.

Buncha kids.


we do have to raise the debt ceiling, period.

if we don't raise it, we will default on our debt obligations for the first time in our history.

do you think that is a good idea?
 
2013-09-30 11:09:36 AM  
What I find hilarious is the way the party with a professed goal of permanently shutting down the government is trying to foist the blame onto the "big government" party. John Thune actually just said that the Democrats want to see a government shut down. Either he's farking retarded or he thinks we are.
 
2013-09-30 11:09:53 AM  
SlothB77: Is this the thread where we say republicans are terrorists for trying to control spending and prevent our country from bankrupting itself?

no - this is the one where we point out shutting the government down will cost approximately 2 Billion dollars
 
2013-09-30 11:10:00 AM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Tman144: SlothB77: Is this the thread where we say republicans are terrorists for trying to control spending and prevent our country from bankrupting itself?

Right, republicans want to control spending. That's why they blew up the budget surplus the first chance they got.

Republicans only ever want to control spending when they're not the ones doing the spending.  They ran buck wild under George Bush when they had complete control.


True enough.  And at that time a little known senator from Illinois stood against them and denounced raising the debt ceiling as a failure of leadership.
 
2013-09-30 11:11:02 AM  

I_C_Weener: True enough.  And at that time a little known senator from Illinois stood against them and denounced raising the debt ceiling as a failure of leadership.


do you think defaulting on our debt is a good idea?

honest question.
 
2013-09-30 11:11:38 AM  

I_C_Weener: True enough. And at that time a little known senator from Illinois stood against them and denounced raising the debt ceiling as a failure of leadership.


He was naive back then.  And the country hadn't just been through the worst shiatstorm it had faced in 80 years, brought on by Republican policies and deregulation.
 
2013-09-30 11:12:06 AM  

I_C_Weener: James!: SlothB77: Is this the thread where we say republicans are terrorists for trying to control spending and prevent our country from bankrupting itself?

This is the equivalent of saying "We need to save money, stop paying our bills".

Or, stop paying ridiculous stuff, pay the bills instead...but we aren't borrowing any more to pay borrowed debt.

Or at least that is what it should be about.  Instead,  its about the Republicans saying that, but hanging an albatross around the negotiations by cutting Obamacare instead of...you know...useful stuff.  And the Senate refusing to come up with alternatives to raising the debt celing.

Republicans...no raising the debt ceiling...also we hate Obamacare, so we'll raise it if you drop that....so neither of us win.

Democrats...we have to raise the debt ceiling, period.

Buncha kids.


Democrats: We have to pay rent.
Republicans: I refuse to pay rent until you cancel your health insurance.
Democrats: What if we get sick?
Republicans: fark YOU! TREE OF LIBERTY!! CONSTITUTION!! SOCIALISM!!
Democrats: I want a new roommate.
 
2013-09-30 11:12:17 AM  

FlashHarry: I_C_Weener: Democrats...we have to raise the debt ceiling, period.

Buncha kids.

we do have to raise the debt ceiling, period.

if we don't raise it, we will default on our debt obligations for the first time in our history.

do you think that is a good idea?


Or, we could not pay other obligations to pay those.  That is a good idea.  We don't need any more drones, or stealth fighters right now.  We don't even need a lot of the stuff that passes as welfare.  But we sure don't need to raise the debt ceiling again to continue the cycle of spend spend spend.

What incentive is there to stop spending if the government will just increase its limit everytime?  None.
 
2013-09-30 11:12:19 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: I wouldn't even call them kids.... kids can learn from their mistakes. I would call them NObots... since no matter what the Dems want, they say NO. The Dems could propose something that would make them all rich beyond the dreams of avarice, and they would still say NO just because a Dem proposed it. That's a NO robot, or a NObot.


this may be the greatest case of projection i've ever seen on fark.

congratulations.  10/10
 
2013-09-30 11:12:22 AM  

NobleHam: What I find hilarious is the way the party with a professed goal of permanently shutting down the government is trying to foist the blame onto the "big government" party. John Thune actually just said that the Democrats want to see a government shut down. Either he's farking retarded or he thinks we are.


If that's their story, I'm thinking the chances of a shut down are going down.

"Iff'n a Demmycrat is for it, Immagenit!"  thinking.  It allows the moderates to vote against a "Democrat" shut down.
 
2013-09-30 11:12:24 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Earguy: So, more people get insurance of some sort. There's a fund to pay for the uninsured. And Republicans are opposing this, why? Are they really so short sighted and uncaring for America that they want to hurt corporations and taxpayers? Do they really want to sabotage the Democrats that badly?

The health insurance companies have been paying off the GOP for decades to rig the game in their favor.  That's why the health care system in America sucks so badly.  Now they're facing the end game where people are about to wake up and realize they've been eating dog shiat all these years, and the GOP is not looking forward to that moment of reckoning.


if the GOP were really serious about implementing "Free Market Solutions" to fixing the healthcare problems of this country, the very first order of business would be to recall The McCarran-Ferguson Act which gives insurance companies an anti-trust exemption.   How in the world can you have a "free market" when competitors are allowed to collude and price fix against consumers?     When Democrats brought up repealing the McCarran-Ferguson Act during the healthcare debate in 2009, the "free market" GOPers screamed bloody murder.
 
2013-09-30 11:13:37 AM  

I_C_Weener: Or, we could not pay other obligations to pay those.  That is a good idea.  We don't need any more drones, or stealth fighters right now.  We don't even need a lot of the stuff that passes as welfare.  But we sure don't need to raise the debt ceiling again to continue the cycle of spend spend spend.

What incentive is there to stop spending if the government will just increase its limit everytime?  None.


you do understand that raising the debt ceiling is necessary to pay for things already authorized by congress, right?

so i ask again, do you think it's a good idea to not raise the debt ceiling, and therefore default on our debt?
 
2013-09-30 11:15:00 AM  

sprawl15: James!: SlothB77: Is this the thread where we say republicans are terrorists for trying to control spending and prevent our country from bankrupting itself?

This is the equivalent of saying "We need to save money, stop paying our bills".

skip meals to save money for food


No, it's not skipping a meal to save money on food.  It's eating the meal, then skipping out on the check.

The TeaTards want to dine-and-dash.
 
2013-09-30 11:15:31 AM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Fortunately, demographics is biting the GOP hard in the ass and will continue to do so.  Every election cycle more of their core supporters die or become incapable of voting while more people who grew up under George Bush become eligible to vote.


The Bush Administration was my wake up call.  They switched me from being a Republican to a Democrat.  All I can say is, I was really blind during that time.
 
2013-09-30 11:16:06 AM  

FlashHarry: I_C_Weener: True enough.  And at that time a little known senator from Illinois stood against them and denounced raising the debt ceiling as a failure of leadership.

do you think defaulting on our debt is a good idea?

honest question.


Probably does - because if we default, our credit will go to shiat. We won't be able to borrow as easily, and will act as a limiter to spending.

I, for one, think that is stupid. shiatting all over our economy is the dumbest way to fix spending.
 
2013-09-30 11:16:13 AM  
I C Weener:
Or, we could not pay other obligations to pay those.  That is a good idea.  We don't need any more drones, or stealth fighters right now.  We don't even need a lot of the stuff that passes as welfare.   But we sure don't need to raise the debt ceiling again to continue the cycle of spend spend spend.

What incentive is there to stop spending if the government will just increase its limit everytime?  None.


If the GOP were REALLY interested in cutting spending the time to have that talk isn't 12 hours before deadline.
If the GOP were REALLY interested in cutting spending they would have seen Ryan's budget proposal as the unworkable farce it really was.

The time to look at your PAST DUE bills and your expected future bills isn't when the Marshals are evicting you from your home.

This is not about cutting costs - this is about the ACA and killing it before it learns to walk
 
2013-09-30 11:16:59 AM  
If a login contains a synonym for a penis, it's a troll account. Please ignore those.
 
2013-09-30 11:17:00 AM  

InmanRoshi: if the GOP were really serious about implementing "Free Market Solutions" to fixing the healthcare problems of this country, the very first order of business would be to recall The McCarran-Ferguson Act which gives insurance companies an anti-trust exemption. How in the world can you have a "free market" when competitors are allowed to collude and price fix against consumers? When Democrats brought up repealing the McCarran-Ferguson Act during the healthcare debate in 2009, the "free market" GOPers screamed bloody murder.


I completely forgot about that episode.  An excellent point.
 
2013-09-30 11:17:07 AM  

FlashHarry: I_C_Weener: True enough.  And at that time a little known senator from Illinois stood against them and denounced raising the debt ceiling as a failure of leadership.

do you think defaulting on our debt is a good idea?

honest question.


Honestly, at this point I don't know. We've had unprecedented growth in our debt in the past 13 years and its at unimaginable numbers.

I'd much rather they cut the crap out of the budget, but if this is the only way to do it...maybe.
 
2013-09-30 11:17:18 AM  

I_C_Weener: What incentive is there to stop spending if the government will just increase its limit everytime?  None.


btw, it's clear that you and a great number of your ilk do not understand what the debt ceiling really is, so here's a primer:

The United States debt ceiling or debt limit is a legislative restriction on the amount of national debt that can be issued by the Treasury. Because expenditures are authorized by separate legislation, the debt ceiling does not actually restrict deficits. In effect, it can only restrain the Treasury from paying for expenditures that have already been incurred.(emphasis mine)

we can certainly discuss spending priorities. but not paying our bills is not an option.
 
2013-09-30 11:17:22 AM  
For gods sake people, this a vote on funding the government, not the debt ceiling. That happens in 15 days.
 
2013-09-30 11:17:36 AM  

Kuroshin: sprawl15: James!: SlothB77: Is this the thread where we say republicans are terrorists for trying to control spending and prevent our country from bankrupting itself?

This is the equivalent of saying "We need to save money, stop paying our bills".

skip meals to save money for food

No, it's not skipping a meal to save money on food.  It's eating the meal, then skipping out on the check.

The TeaTards want to dine-and-dash.


oh ok
 
2013-09-30 11:17:41 AM  
Republicans are just like wife-beaters. "She should not have made me so mad. If she had done what I wanted I would not have had to hit her. It's all her fault, why can't she do what I want?" See, it is all the Democrat's fault, they are forcing the shutdown, the Republicans are being Forced to destroy the country because they didn't get what they wanted.
 
2013-09-30 11:19:04 AM  

FlashHarry: HindiDiscoMonster: I wouldn't even call them kids.... kids can learn from their mistakes. I would call them NObots... since no matter what the Dems want, they say NO. The Dems could propose something that would make them all rich beyond the dreams of avarice, and they would still say NO just because a Dem proposed it. That's a NO robot, or a NObot.

this may be the greatest case of projection i've ever seen on fark.

congratulations.  10/10


did you reply to the wrong post or forget to switch to your troll alt?
 
2013-09-30 11:19:13 AM  

I_C_Weener: I'd much rather they cut the crap out of the budget, but if this is the only way to do it...maybe.


if they do this, the economy will crash and millions of people will lose their jobs. this will drastically lower the tax base while massively increasing jobless benefits, causing even more debt.

do you think that is a good idea?
 
2013-09-30 11:19:56 AM  

born_yesterday: NobleHam: What I find hilarious is the way the party with a professed goal of permanently shutting down the government is trying to foist the blame onto the "big government" party. John Thune actually just said that the Democrats want to see a government shut down. Either he's farking retarded or he thinks we are.

If that's their story, I'm thinking the chances of a shut down are going down.

"Iff'n a Demmycrat is for it, Immagenit!"  thinking.  It allows the moderates to vote against a "Democrat" shut down.


I don't think so. I think it means they think there will be a shutdown, but they also know they'll be blamed for it if there is one, so they're trying to shift the blame. Rovian politics at its best.
 
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