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(Talking Points Memo)   Will the Senate override the house and pass the health care reform bill as written? Will the Tea Party politicians go through with the threatened shutdown? We find out today. It's your official Government Shutdown Threat thread   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 605
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2013-09-30 09:31:20 AM

OlderGuy: Publikwerks: This is such a bad move by the GOP. There is no way the Senate even looks at the House bill, and polls show that people are going to blame the GOP for the shutdown. And a majority of Americans are ambivalent about the ACA. So if they win, they don't win anything from moderates. And if they force the shutdown, they lose big.

Meanwhile, Democrats can just sit back and watch. They have passed a clean CR, so they can say "we've done our part" and walk away. They win if the House caves, they win if the House doesn't cave.

Matter of fact, the longer and more painful the shutdown is, the better it is for the Democrats. All they have to do is turn their DVR's on and record everything for next fall.

You are wrong.   The People know who is pushing this.. Obamacare is a disaster, the worst is yet to come.. all know it, many won't admit it.. Obama and the Old Guard don't care.. they got theirs already, now they want to take what little we have.. It is plain for all to see who is pushing this.. if you think 2010 was a wakeup, wait for 2014 and 2016...  if you want to keep America, we better clean house !  The Establishment is old and corrupt, only interested in furthering their cause at our expense.. it,s time to retire the 'good ol' boys'...  take off the blinders and look around.. we have regulated ourselves out of what made this country great..  everybody used to buy Quality from us.. now we buy Crap from them... One entity is causing this, plus all of their followers who don't want to give up the free stuff...

[i.imgur.com image 432x324]

And if you deny this, you are blind and stupid...   Please wake up.....


you may want to sit down for this...

stop reading here if you have heart trouble please...

seriously.

we do not live in the 1950s any more.
let that sink in for a minute.
.
.
.
ok, got it?
Our economy has gone from product to service based. Thank the job creators for jumping ship and building plants overseas where they can pay slave wages in horrific conditions to make products as cheaply as possible.
 
2013-09-30 09:33:00 AM

INeedAName: We are so boned.



Why?   Government has shutdown before and life went on.   Sequestration certainly has not resulted in the apocalypse many predicted neither will this.  The shores will still be defended, mail delivered, Social Security and MEDICARE will function, bad guys still arrested, government surveillance will  still function etc.

We should see this as an opportunity.  Only essential government workers/services  will continue and that gives us a starting point for our budget and where to cut.

In the past agencies like the Social Security Administration deemed about 10% of their people "essential". Out of  a current total of 60,000 that is 6,000.  While they might need more than 6000 for normal operations  I bet they could get by with significantly less than 60,000 (equal to about 6 Army light infantry divisions to give the number some perspective).

There are a lot of clerks, assorted bureaucrats (under and assistant Secretaries of Defense, Army, Navy , Air Force and their staffs) and many Flag grade officers that we could do without and that would have no negative impact on national security.

Will the Senate barber shop be open or shut down?  How about the House Restaurant?

How about the 89th Air Force Wing that supplies aircraft for congressional  "fact finding' travel?

While food inspections are essential do we really need a national raisin reserve?

The IG of the The Denali Commission "which seeks to promote rural development, power generation and other infrastructure needs" recommended his agency , along with his job, no loner be funded.   There are many more like it that nee to disappear from the Federal budget.


As a starting point we could say all Federal Government employees deemed  "non-essential"  during the shutdown and who are eligible for retirement  must retire and we freeze hiring for non-essential positions


The Federal Government does not need more money
 
2013-09-30 09:33:13 AM

FC Exile: OlderGuy: Publikwerks: This is such a bad move by the GOP. There is no way the Senate even looks at the House bill, and polls show that people are going to blame the GOP for the shutdown. And a majority of Americans are ambivalent about the ACA. So if they win, they don't win anything from moderates. And if they force the shutdown, they lose big.

Meanwhile, Democrats can just sit back and watch. They have passed a clean CR, so they can say "we've done our part" and walk away. They win if the House caves, they win if the House doesn't cave.

Matter of fact, the longer and more painful the shutdown is, the better it is for the Democrats. All they have to do is turn their DVR's on and record everything for next fall.

You are wrong.   The People know who is pushing this.. Obamacare is a disaster, the worst is yet to come.. all know it, many won't admit it.. Obama and the Old Guard don't care.. they got theirs already, now they want to take what little we have.. It is plain for all to see who is pushing this.. if you think 2010 was a wakeup, wait for 2014 and 2016...  if you want to keep America, we better clean house !  The Establishment is old and corrupt, only interested in furthering their cause at our expense.. it,s time to retire the 'good ol' boys'...  take off the blinders and look around.. we have regulated ourselves out of what made this country great..  everybody used to buy Quality from us.. now we buy Crap from them... One entity is causing this, plus all of their followers who don't want to give up the free stuff...

[i.imgur.com image 432x324]

And if you deny this, you are blind and stupid...   Please wake up.....

Hear Hear!


you spelled "Huzzah" wrong.
 
2013-09-30 09:34:56 AM

Oblio13: Why does everyone seem to think that a few days without a huge, intrusive bureaucracy would be the end of the world?

The government shutting down "non-essential services" is like unemployed people going on strike. Most "non-essential services" are things it shouldn't be doing in the first place. 

Our leaders are alarming us so that we'll put pressure on their political opponents. Instead of being their frightened dupes, we should be telling them to make these cuts permanent.


Yeah. F*ck repairing the roads in Colorado before winter sets in. And who needs the EPA to monitor the contamination as the result of the recent flooding?
 
2013-09-30 09:35:12 AM
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2013-09-30 09:35:53 AM

Thunderpipes: Publikwerks: This is such a bad move by the GOP. There is no way the Senate even looks at the House bill, and polls show that people are going to blame the GOP for the shutdown. And a majority of Americans are ambivalent about the ACA. So if they win, they don't win anything from moderates. And if they force the shutdown, they lose big.

Meanwhile, Democrats can just sit back and watch. They have passed a clean CR, so they can say "we've done our part" and walk away. They win if the House caves, they win if the House doesn't cave.

Matter of fact, the longer and more painful the shutdown is, the better it is for the Democrats. All they have to do is turn their DVR's on and record everything for next fall.

No, majority of Americans do not like Obamacare. Majority of businesses do not either. Only welfare bums and hard core left wing crazies think it will be anything but a disaster. Even the unions don't like it now. Obama is trying to get them a 200 billion dollar subsidy just for them. It will not work.


Here's a poll by the national review
http://www.nationalreview.com/agenda/354173/new-aca-poll-reihan-sala m
 - they put the "repeal" population at 42%. Not a majority. And they point out that those 42% are solid GOPers. Your not winning the middle by fighting the ACA because you never made a good case why it's bad, and how you would fix the system.

Maybe you can fix it, work with the other side on some of the issues you don't like, but blanket opposition will get you nothing.
 
2013-09-30 09:36:21 AM
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2013-09-30 09:36:40 AM

Ned Stark: Monkeyhouse Zendo: I've resigned myself to the understanding that a significant fraction of the House see Mad Max II: Beyond Thunderdome as an acceptable alternative to a successful and working health care system.

A successful and working healthcare system is an option on the table? Since when?


-12/10
 
2013-09-30 09:37:25 AM
Man the trolls are out this morning.
 
2013-09-30 09:37:54 AM
Whoever wins, we lose.
 
2013-09-30 09:37:57 AM

hasty ambush: While food inspections are essential do we really need a national raisin reserve?


really do we need raisins at all they are pretty gross i mean i know i dont want any mr obama stop making me pay for them
 
2013-09-30 09:38:13 AM

there their theyre: Man the trolls are out this morning.


they are not even trying either... just kind of phoning it in.
 
2013-09-30 09:39:03 AM

hasty ambush: Social Security and MEDICARE will function


So it will actually fix things??

/sorry...
 
2013-09-30 09:39:23 AM

born_yesterday: GoodyearPimp: I expect a shutdown.  We govern by fear and crisis.  Next week the R's will get a few concessions and a brand new crisis will get baked in by only funding the government until right before next year's elections.

I expected a CR with the ACA language stripped, and for the fight to be taken to the debt limit debate (really?  We're debating that again?).  However, House Republicans are adamant that any passage that includes the ACA funding is unacceptable, and to vote for it is to capitulate to the libbiest lib that ever soshalizmed.

Right now, I don't know.  There is no way the House bill passes.  Which means they have to vote on the Senate version.  I would have thought this was likely, until the House voted against the first Senate bill so decisively.


Well, consider that the Debt Ceiling fight is scheduled for mid-October. If we shut down now - what leverage will Republicans have later?

That's the issue that some of the Senate and House Republicans are trying to explain to the more fanatic members.
 
2013-09-30 09:40:10 AM

antidisestablishmentarianism: MarshWoman: I lived in the US for the first 36 years of my life. I had sh**ty BC/BS insurance through my employer for a while, then had to shell out of pocket for sh**ty BC/BS on my own. The coverage was horrible, but was all I could afford. Then I moved to Canada. Yes, the taxes are high- about the same as anywhere in the Northeastern US. The difference is that when I had to take my son to the ER last week, where he was admitted for emergency surgery, I gave the intake desk his health card. That's it.

I was working with some Canadians during the whole debate. They were conservatives and they said they would never give up their health care system. They mentioned that we missed out on a chance to have universal healthcare.


My Dad, who lives in NJ and reads every piece of crazy the teabaggers put out, actually tried to argue with me when the US healthcare plan was first being voted on. He kept telling me how horrible Canada's healthcare system was and how horrible the tax rates were (about the same as NJ), and how people in Canada were dying left and right because they had crappy healthcare, or were being denied life-saving procedures. I was stunned. I kept saying, "No, it's not like that." He kept insisting that it was and I had been brainwashed by the socialists.

This is the rank and file of the teaparty. Their "leaders" could cause the collapse of US society, and they would scurry to Faux news to be assured that it was all the fault of the brown man.
 
2013-09-30 09:40:56 AM

zeroman987: QueenMamaBee: Aristocles: hammer85: I love these assholes toying with my livelihood.  Because we all know its not like government employees have bills to pay or anything.

You're gonna get paid retroactively... you do know this, right?

That doesn't pay the bills that are due during the shutdown... you do know that, right?

Actually, if you aren't essential, as about 900,000 people are categorized, you don't get back pay unless it is approved by congress. So, through no fault of their own, 900,000 gov't employees don't get paid because 20 potatoes want to privatize medicare and give another handout to their petrol buddies.

I am someone who should be the bread and butter for the republican party. I am very cautious when it comes to change and want to make sure any change to the status quo is well reasoned and debated to ensure its the right course; basically I am a conservate. However, I will never ever vote for any person with an (R) next to their name. They blew it. Anyone who votes for Republicans is not a conservative, at this point the republican party is filled with Fundys waiting for the apocalypse, the uber rich, and the unimformed.


No R voted for Obamacare..  would you buy something sight unseen?   I don't think so.. yet " lets pass the bill first.. NOW.... then we will see what,s in it"  ...  well, now we are seeing what,s in it...  I don't think most Americans are jumping with joy.. and it will get worse, and it won't get better.. Those that want to save this country are not D or R, who are too busy following the guy with the 'O' flute..  Hopefully we will wake up... we are 16+ trillion in debt ( actual number more like 70 trillion), printing 85 billion a month of currency based on air..  and all bubbles burst, in the end... our 'burst' will affect the world....  and the concussion will take us out... if that is what you want, keep on dickin' the chickin..... won't affect me much, but I feel bad for my nieces and nephews and those with families....  they will get to see the 'American Dream' turn into the 'North American Nightmare'....   think about it.......
 
2013-09-30 09:41:45 AM

cman: Ok, wise guy, where is your proof?

Now, I aint talking about linking me to some shiatty blog, twitter, or an Alex Jones like site. Reputable sources.

Until you have proof you are only speculating and attempting to pass it off as facts


You want proof that the democrats are the ones that want a government shutdown?

The Republicans are scared of a government shutdown. It will kill their chances of winning the next round of elections because everyone knows they will get blamed for it. The Democrats are salivating at the prospect of a government shutdown.

You think the Democrats care if ACA is delayed. It's not ready to go online. It's going to be a giant clusterfark. They have already delayed a bunch of parts of it. They want to delay it.
 
2013-09-30 09:43:04 AM

hasty ambush: INeedAName: We are so boned.


Why?   Government has shutdown before and life went on.   Sequestration certainly has not resulted in the apocalypse many predicted neither will this.  The shores will still be defended, mail delivered, Social Security and MEDICARE will function, bad guys still arrested, government surveillance will  still function etc.

We should see this as an opportunity.  Only essential government workers/services  will continue and that gives us a starting point for our budget and where to cut.

In the past agencies like the Social Security Administration deemed about 10% of their people "essential". Out of  a current total of 60,000 that is 6,000.  While they might need more than 6000 for normal operations  I bet they could get by with significantly less than 60,000 (equal to about 6 Army light infantry divisions to give the number some perspective).

There are a lot of clerks, assorted bureaucrats (under and assistant Secretaries of Defense, Army, Navy , Air Force and their staffs) and many Flag grade officers that we could do without and that would have no negative impact on national security.

Will the Senate barber shop be open or shut down?  How about the House Restaurant?

How about the 89th Air Force Wing that supplies aircraft for congressional  "fact finding' travel?

While food inspections are essential do we really need a national raisin reserve?

The IG of the The Denali Commission "which seeks to promote rural development, power generation and other infrastructure needs" recommended his agency , along with his job, no loner be funded.   There are many more like it that nee to disappear from the Federal budget.


As a starting point we could say all Federal Government employees deemed  "non-essential"  during the shutdown and who are eligible for retirement  must retire and we freeze hiring for non-essential positions


The Federal Government does not need more money


Have you ever tried to deal with social security? If anything they need more people. Here's a fun exercise, call your social security office on the phone right now. If you get put on hold for less than 30 min, come back here and tell me they can cut staff. My experience was being put on hold for 30-40 min, then the line would hang up. No one ever spoke to me.
 
2013-09-30 09:43:30 AM
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2013-09-30 09:43:53 AM

OlderGuy: zeroman987: QueenMamaBee: Aristocles: hammer85: I love these assholes toying with my livelihood.  Because we all know its not like government employees have bills to pay or anything.

You're gonna get paid retroactively... you do know this, right?

That doesn't pay the bills that are due during the shutdown... you do know that, right?

Actually, if you aren't essential, as about 900,000 people are categorized, you don't get back pay unless it is approved by congress. So, through no fault of their own, 900,000 gov't employees don't get paid because 20 potatoes want to privatize medicare and give another handout to their petrol buddies.

I am someone who should be the bread and butter for the republican party. I am very cautious when it comes to change and want to make sure any change to the status quo is well reasoned and debated to ensure its the right course; basically I am a conservate. However, I will never ever vote for any person with an (R) next to their name. They blew it. Anyone who votes for Republicans is not a conservative, at this point the republican party is filled with Fundys waiting for the apocalypse, the uber rich, and the unimformed.

No R voted for Obamacare..  would you buy something sight unseen?   I don't think so.. yet " lets pass the bill first.. NOW.... then we will see what,s in it"  ...  well, now we are seeing what,s in it...  I don't think most Americans are jumping with joy.. and it will get worse, and it won't get better.. Those that want to save this country are not D or R, who are too busy following the guy with the 'O' flute..  Hopefully we will wake up... we are 16+ trillion in debt ( actual number more like 70 trillion), printing 85 billion a month of currency based on air..  and all bubbles burst, in the end... our 'burst' will affect the world....  and the concussion will take us out... if that is what you want, keep on dickin' the chickin..... won't affect me much, but I feel bad for my nieces and nephews and those with famili ...


You know, I did think about it...for quite a while, and I've decided:

That post was full of derp.
 
2013-09-30 09:45:09 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: there their theyre: Man the trolls are out this morning.

they are not even trying either... just kind of phoning it in.


To the contrary; I have no doubt they are trying to the best of their capabilities.
 
2013-09-30 09:46:40 AM

born_yesterday: HindiDiscoMonster: there their theyre: Man the trolls are out this morning.

they are not even trying either... just kind of phoning it in.

To the contrary; I have no doubt they are trying to the best of their capabilities.


you may have a point... but if that is the case, then it's just really sad. I remember a time on Fark when being a troll was a position of honor and integrity.... ok, well... maybe I wouldn't go that far, but there were standards.
 
2013-09-30 09:46:57 AM
Lets face it, Republicans cant legislate their way out of a wet paper bag.
 
2013-09-30 09:47:04 AM

Mike_LowELL: Okay guys, so I'm playing Civilization V and I just researched Obamacare.  Now all my cities are dying from sickness.  Help.


Mother of God.

That settles this issue for once and for all.

/ sarcastically said
 
2013-09-30 09:47:11 AM

sprawl15: OlderGuy: Publikwerks: This is such a bad move by the GOP. There is no way the Senate even looks at the House bill, and polls show that people are going to blame the GOP for the shutdown. And a majority of Americans are ambivalent about the ACA. So if they win, they don't win anything from moderates. And if they force the shutdown, they lose big.

Meanwhile, Democrats can just sit back and watch. They have passed a clean CR, so they can say "we've done our part" and walk away. They win if the House caves, they win if the House doesn't cave.

Matter of fact, the longer and more painful the shutdown is, the better it is for the Democrats. All they have to do is turn their DVR's on and record everything for next fall.

You are wrong.   The People know who is pushing this.. Obamacare is a disaster, the worst is yet to come.. all know it, many won't admit it.. Obama and the Old Guard don't care.. they got theirs already, now they want to take what little we have.. It is plain for all to see who is pushing this.. if you think 2010 was a wakeup, wait for 2014 and 2016...  if you want to keep America, we better clean house !  The Establishment is old and corrupt, only interested in furthering their cause at our expense.. it,s time to retire the 'good ol' boys'...  take off the blinders and look around.. we have regulated ourselves out of what made this country great..  everybody used to buy Quality from us.. now we buy Crap from them... One entity is causing this, plus all of their followers who don't want to give up the free stuff...

[i.imgur.com image 432x324]

And if you deny this, you are blind and stupid...   Please wake up.....

Now who can argue with that? I think we're all indebted to OlderGuy Johnson for clearly stating what needed to be said. I'm particulary glad that these lovely children were here today to hear that speech. Not only was it authentic frontier gibberish, it expressed a courage little seen in this day and age.


filmdope.com
Sprawl15 Johnson is right!
 
2013-09-30 09:47:53 AM

badhatharry: cman: Ok, wise guy, where is your proof?

Now, I aint talking about linking me to some shiatty blog, twitter, or an Alex Jones like site. Reputable sources.

Until you have proof you are only speculating and attempting to pass it off as facts

You want proof that the democrats are the ones that want a government shutdown?

The Republicans are scared of a government shutdown. It will kill their chances of winning the next round of elections because everyone knows they will get blamed for it. The Democrats are salivating at the prospect of a government shutdown.

You think the Democrats care if ACA is delayed. It's not ready to go online. It's going to be a giant clusterfark. They have already delayed a bunch of parts of it. They want to delay it.


proof |proof|
noun
1 evidence or argument establishing or helping to establish a fact or the truth of a statement: you will be asked to give proof of your identity | this is not a proof for the existence of God.
• Lawthe spoken or written evidence in a trial.
• the action or process of establishing the truth of a statement: it shifts the onus of proof in convictions from the police to the public.
• archaic a test or trial.
• a series of stages in the resolution of a mathematical or philosophical problem.
2 a trial print of something, in particular:
• Printinga trial impression of a page, taken from type or film and used for making corrections before final printing.
• a trial photographic print made for initial selection.
• each of a number of impressions from an engraved plate, esp. (in commercial printing) of a limited number before the ordinary issue is printed and before an inscription or signature is added.
• any of various preliminary impressions of coins struck as specimens.
3 the strength of distilled alcoholic liquor, relative to proof spirit taken as a standard of 100: [ in combination ] : powerful 132-proof rum.
adjective
1 able to withstand something damaging; resistant: the marine battle armor was proof against most weapons | [ in combination ] : the system comes with idiot-proof instructions.
2 [ attrib. ] denoting a trial impression of a page or printed work: a proof copy is sent up for checking.
verb [ with obj. ]
1 make (fabric) waterproof: (as adj.proofed) : the tent is made from proofed nylon.
2 make a proof of (a printed work, engraving, etc.): (as nounproofing) : proofing could be done on a low-cost printer.
• proofread (a text): a book about dinosaurs was being proofed by the publisher.
3 activate (yeast) by the addition of liquid.
• knead (dough) until light and smooth.
• [ no obj. ] (of dough) prove: shape into a baguette and let proof for a few minutes.
PHRASES
the proof of the pudding is in the eating proverb the real value of something can be judged only from practical experience or results and not from appearance or theory.
ORIGIN Middle English preve, from Old French proeve, from late Latin proba, from Latin probare 'to test, prove.' The change of vowel in late Middle English was due to the influence of prove. Current senses of the verb date from the late 19th cent.

None of what you told me satisfies any of these definitions
 
2013-09-30 09:47:56 AM

Aristocles: there their theyre: Man the trolls are out this morning.

I know dude, these trolls just can't admit that BOB and they're dem masters are holding America hostage.

Pass the bill, Harry!@


Who is Bob?

Their?  They're? There?
 
2013-09-30 09:49:17 AM
Given how amazingly clairvoyant the Fark Derp Spreaders have been to date, I'm somewhat comforted by their doom & gloom predictions.
 
2013-09-30 09:49:32 AM

Aristocles: ShuT
It
Down

/go't workers will get paid retroactively anyway
//Traffic this time of year realay sucks... get this d-bags off the roads!


I don't know if you've been educated yet, but most government workers will not receive retroactive pay, unless specifically approved by Congress.

Say what you will about congress, but we have one of the more productive governments in the world. Don't fark it up just because you're being an uninformed child.
 
2013-09-30 09:50:09 AM

JusticeandIndependence: Aristocles: there their theyre: Man the trolls are out this morning.

I know dude, these trolls just can't admit that BOB and they're dem masters are holding America hostage.

Pass the bill, Harry!@

Who is Bob?

Their?  They're? There?


Thaaar

/In honor of the past talk like a pirate day.
 
2013-09-30 09:51:11 AM
Why can't the Tea Party and other Republicans negotiate without a budget crisis? If they want to negotiate, why can't they do it like adults instead of threatening a shutdown of payment to various gov't agencies and creditors?

I guess that's the 17 trillion dollar question.
 
2013-09-30 09:51:35 AM

QueenMamaBee: Aristocles: QueenMamaBee: Aristocles: QueenMamaBee: Aristocles: QueenMamaBee: Aristocles: hammer85: I love these assholes toying with my livelihood.  Because we all know its not like government employees have bills to pay or anything.

You're gonna get paid retroactively... you do know this, right?

That doesn't pay the bills that are due during the shutdown... you do know that, right?

Well, maybe you should call your state representatives and BOB and tell them to pass the farking bill!

Thomas Massie can go fark himself.

Same for my Senate-asshats Rand Paul and Mitch McConnell.

It sounds like you've got some real PATRIOTS looking out for you... why not call/email/write the White House and let BOB (or an intern) know how you feel about the govt shut down? Are you a govt employee?

No, I'm a healthcare employee. I've emailed Rand Paul and Mitch McConnell numerous times and I get the standard form email "I'm super smart and I know everything.... now be quiet citizen!"

Ah.. so you don't mind the shut down so much, you just want Obamacare to proceed unscathed?

Can you tell me exactly HOW more people having insurance, meaning fewer people who are unable to pay their bills, can be BAD for my business?

I actually researched (*gasp*) costs for the ACA for a friend of mine who was biatching about it. He was recently laid off from the hospital I work in, and he'd actually pay LESS through the ACA than he paid for the crappy insurance plan we have here, and that was through the federal government. Now that I've looked at Ky's plans...it's an even better deal.

Again... how is healthcare a worse use of government money than the millions in "vote for me" money given by the federal government (tacked onto a bill by darling Thomas Massie) to my city for a farking boat-ramp renovation for a stage that is used once a year? I'd rather have people insured and cut out the other waste.


I've evaluated what I would pay for the same plan on the Georgia exchange. I'm pretty pissed at my employer and with Aetna. The exchange offers my exact plan for almost 100 dollars cheaper than what I'm currently paying.
 
2013-09-30 09:52:07 AM
 
2013-09-30 09:52:30 AM

Fubini: Aristocles: ShuT
It
Down

/go't workers will get paid retroactively anyway
//Traffic this time of year realay sucks... get this d-bags off the roads!

I don't know if you've been educated yet, but most government workers will not receive retroactive pay, unless specifically approved by Congress.

Say what you will about congress, but we have one of the more productive governments in the world. Don't fark it up just because you're being an uninformed child.


there is a good reason Congress is not named Progress
 
2013-09-30 09:53:36 AM

Katolu: trying to defund the ACA 50 times.


it was only 43, but it wasn't for lack of trying.
 
2013-09-30 09:54:47 AM

Peki: Bontesla: Leader O'Cola: What is the most stupid and painful possible outcome?  That is what we will do.

Markets overseas already seem to be pricing it in.  TP voters will rejoice, as their 401k's plummet (yeh, most of them don't have 401ks to begin with. They learned from their hero Rand to live off SS anyways)

I'm totally against a shutdown.

But I have set up stock alerts for when my favorite picks come tumbling down. I shall buy everything.

No shorts? I have Wal-Mart shorted as a test. If I can make a fair grip of cash, I use real money next time shutdown is threatened.

/a little late learning, yes, but if it happens again in 20 years, at least I'll know how to make a buck off the lunacy


Shorts, too.

I'm really hoping that IF we shut down - I can stock up on Tesla and Google.
 
2013-09-30 09:55:00 AM

cman: DeaH: It's not negotiation unless both sides want opposite things. The Democrats want to avoid hurting the economy, so they want to raise the debt ceiling. If the Republicans think that's negotiable, then they want to harm the American economy. If that's what they want, who wants to give them anything?

They don't believe it will hurt the economy


It certainly hurt the economy the last time they didn't automatically raise the debt ceiling. The Republicans, as a whole, just cannot be that stupid, but, if they really are, then the Democrats only response can be a demand for the mass resignation of all Republicans.
 
2013-09-30 09:55:39 AM
hasty ambush: We should see this as an opportunity.  Only essential government workers/services  will continue and that gives us a starting point for our budget and where to cut.


  As someone who was once deemed "essential personnel" with "non essential staff" let me disagree. Essential generally means "you have to stay during a crisis (ie a shutdown, a hurricane) and do your work with no support".

  Or - if this helps?  In the traditional nuclear family, Mom, Dad and two kids - only one parent is really essential.

  It really isn't the opportunity you might picture.
 
2013-09-30 09:56:34 AM

Uranus Is Huge!: Given how amazingly clairvoyant the Fark Derp Spreaders have been to date, I'm somewhat comforted by their doom & gloom predictions.


Using such verbose terms disregards the common educated person in their comprehension and enshrines oneself to neural entries of grand pomposity.
 
2013-09-30 09:58:15 AM
Senate's gonna table the motion at 2 PM Eastern, the House GOP will whargaarbl and the government will shut down at midnight.

I originally predicted 3-5 days of shutdown. I'm upping that now to 2-3 weeks. But the GOP will eventually cave and pass a 3-6 month clean CR.

The big problem is that the debt ceiling is going to come a-callin' before the shutdown's over.
 
2013-09-30 09:58:16 AM

cman: Uranus Is Huge!: Given how amazingly clairvoyant the Fark Derp Spreaders have been to date, I'm somewhat comforted by their doom & gloom predictions.

Using such verbose terms disregards the common educated person in their comprehension and enshrines oneself to neural entries of grand pomposity.


Somebody took a bong-hit!

Somebody took a bong-hit!
 
2013-09-30 09:59:27 AM

cman: Uranus Is Huge!: Given how amazingly clairvoyant the Fark Derp Spreaders have been to date, I'm somewhat comforted by their doom & gloom predictions.

Using such verbose terms disregards the common educated person in their comprehension and enshrines oneself to neural entries of grand pomposity.


Sorry. I forgot about your two-syllable limit. Was there a word you needed help with?
 
2013-09-30 10:00:00 AM
Serious question: Why haven't we stopped farking around and just started doing THIS?
/expulsion
 
2013-09-30 10:00:13 AM

born_yesterday: cman: Uranus Is Huge!: Given how amazingly clairvoyant the Fark Derp Spreaders have been to date, I'm somewhat comforted by their doom & gloom predictions.

Using such verbose terms disregards the common educated person in their comprehension and enshrines oneself to neural entries of grand pomposity.

Somebody took a bong-hit!

Somebody took a bong-hit!


You said bong-hit twice.
 
2013-09-30 10:00:15 AM

Fubini: Say what you will about congress, but we have one of the more productive governments in the world.


Kinda like a productive cough.
 
2013-09-30 10:01:06 AM
"All that we have to do is to send two mujahedeen to the furthest point east to raise a piece of cloth on which is written al Qaeda, in order to make generals race there to cause America to suffer human, economic and political losses without their achieving anything of note other than some benefits for their private corporations."

Osama bin Laden - proto-Teabagger
 
2013-09-30 10:01:18 AM

DeaH: cman: DeaH: It's not negotiation unless both sides want opposite things. The Democrats want to avoid hurting the economy, so they want to raise the debt ceiling. If the Republicans think that's negotiable, then they want to harm the American economy. If that's what they want, who wants to give them anything?

They don't believe it will hurt the economy

It certainly hurt the economy the last time they didn't automatically raise the debt ceiling. The Republicans, as a whole, just cannot be that stupid, but, if they really are, then the Democrats only response can be a demand for the mass resignation of all Republicans.


If Republicans want to cut the government services that are riddled with corruption and services that yield no results then we should absolutely call on them to resign.
 
2013-09-30 10:01:44 AM
At this point the entire government rests on John Boehner.  The way the House is set up, the Speaker has complete control over what gets brought up for a vote and what gets tossed.  If he wants to bring the clean Senate CR to the floor, he can.  If he wants to screw around with the defund-Obamacare-and-birth-control version, he can.
 
2013-09-30 10:01:54 AM

MarshWoman: antidisestablishmentarianism: MarshWoman: I lived in the US for the first 36 years of my life. I had sh**ty BC/BS insurance through my employer for a while, then had to shell out of pocket for sh**ty BC/BS on my own. The coverage was horrible, but was all I could afford. Then I moved to Canada. Yes, the taxes are high- about the same as anywhere in the Northeastern US. The difference is that when I had to take my son to the ER last week, where he was admitted for emergency surgery, I gave the intake desk his health card. That's it.

I was working with some Canadians during the whole debate. They were conservatives and they said they would never give up their health care system. They mentioned that we missed out on a chance to have universal healthcare.

My Dad, who lives in NJ and reads every piece of crazy the teabaggers put out, actually tried to argue with me when the US healthcare plan was first being voted on. He kept telling me how horrible Canada's healthcare system was and how horrible the tax rates were (about the same as NJ), and how people in Canada were dying left and right because they had crappy healthcare, or were being denied life-saving procedures. I was stunned. I kept saying, "No, it's not like that." He kept insisting that it was and I had been brainwashed by the socialists.

This is the rank and file of the teaparty. Their "leaders" could cause the collapse of US society, and they would scurry to Faux news to be assured that it was all the fault of the brown man.


I lived in Edmonton for three years from 03-06. Here's my experience with the healthcare there: Provincial healthcare cost $44 a month, did not include vision, dental or prescription (AB is the cheapskate of all the Canadian provinces, but also the cheapest). When I had strep throat, I went to the  downtown ER (disclaimer: Edmonton, including nearby St. Albert, is about 1 million people, but still...). I spent 20 minutes in the waiting room, 5 minutes to get the swab from the doc, 10 minutes for the lab results, and then sent on my way, scrip in hand (in Los Angeles a visit to a non-downtown hospital ER takes about 4-6 hours). Go to pharmacy for penicillin, and the clerk *apologizes* for charging me the whopping NINE dollars for the antibiotic because I don't have supplemental prescription coverage.

I also needed an ambulance due to some dumbshiats releasing mace next door inside my apartment building; I had an asthma attack after helping carry two small children down from the apartment next to me and the paramedics made me sit down and take O2 when they noticed my lips turning blue. Cost me $274, but only because I refused transport (I pinked up and they agreed I seemed okay).

Next was needing Mirena IUD for contraception. For that I had to get BlueCross supplemental, and I had to get the most expensive plan because it was the only one that would have covered the IUD. Cost $150 every three months, and after the woman apologized (what is it with you Canadians and apologizing?) for charging me so much, I told her some Americans pay more than twice that per month in the States. I didn't get dental (an extra $15) or vision ($20).

Now, I did hear stories about people who needed necessary surgeries (like hernia repair) waiting for months, and a waitress I became good friends with flew to AZ to get a life-saving hysterectomy because either she couldn't get what she needed in a timely fashion or Alberta wouldn't pay for it (remember what I said about AB being the cheap province). I never needed surgery up there so this is as much as I can comment on.

Oh, except for this oddity: Alberta is generally considered the Texas of Canada, and appropriately conservative, but the province will pay, down to travel expenses, for complete gender reassignment surgery (including all necessary psych treatment prior), as far as the trans person wants to take it. So even the backwards part of Canada get SOMETHING right.

/will become a perm res as soon as she can afford to apply
 
2013-09-30 10:02:20 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: Serious question: Why haven't we stopped farking around and just started doing THIS?
/expulsion


Because it would require a majority.
 
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