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(Talking Points Memo)   Will the Senate override the house and pass the health care reform bill as written? Will the Tea Party politicians go through with the threatened shutdown? We find out today. It's your official Government Shutdown Threat thread   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 605
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2013-09-30 08:08:21 AM
I expect reasoned and civil debate.
 
2013-09-30 08:08:32 AM
Is this the Breaking Bad thread?
 
2013-09-30 08:08:34 AM
In B4Hitler
 
2013-09-30 08:09:43 AM
I certainly hope it is not too early to blame Obama!
 
2013-09-30 08:10:39 AM

Turfshoe: Is this the Breaking Bad thread?


Obamscare as bad as method, so yeah
 
2013-09-30 08:10:50 AM
We are so boned.
 
2013-09-30 08:10:59 AM
let them have health insurance.

or cake.
 
2013-09-30 08:11:15 AM
health care reform bill ? Is it 2009 again?
 
2013-09-30 08:11:21 AM

phrawgh: I certainly hope it is not too early to blame Obama!


It's never too early. He has a time machine, you know.
 
2013-09-30 08:11:44 AM
Find out next week on SOAP!
 
2013-09-30 08:12:02 AM

phrawgh: I certainly hope it is not too early to blame Obama!


How can we blame BOB, all he's done is play golf.
 
2013-09-30 08:12:05 AM

phrawgh: I certainly hope it is not too early to blame Obama!


Personally I'll never forgive him for the Dexter finale. It seems there's nothing he won't go out of his way to ruin.
 
2013-09-30 08:12:28 AM
Los Angeles present. Do we have a quorum?

/gets to find out whether or not she and her fiance have to feed and house five adults for the next however, or if they still get help from grandparents (SS) and brother (Navy)
//and I've heard conflicting reports on the SS thing, and yes, bro will get paid eventually, but you tell the mortgage company (BofA). Maybe we could sue Congress if we default on the loan.
 
2013-09-30 08:12:30 AM
Oh Lord... another goverment thread... this aught to be fun.

We already know:
Republicans hate blacks.
Democrats hate America.

Ready. Set...
GO!
 
2013-09-30 08:12:37 AM

Brick-House: Turfshoe: Is this the Breaking Bad thread?

Obamscare as bad as method, so yeah


What method would that be?
 
2013-09-30 08:12:58 AM

INeedAName: We are so boned.


How?
 
2013-09-30 08:13:06 AM
This is my only chance today to read this thread before it bloats to an unbelievable level.

Yay me!
 
2013-09-30 08:13:29 AM

Turfshoe: Is this the Breaking Bad thread?


I DIDN'T WATCH IT YET SILENCE
 
2013-09-30 08:14:05 AM
In just to say fark Mitch McConnell and Rand Paul.

/regardless of the outcome, I just really hate them
 
2013-09-30 08:14:14 AM
Both sides are wrong, so vote for me! I promise a chicken in every pot, and all the members of the WBC will be sent to Gitmo
 
2013-09-30 08:14:35 AM
This is such a bad move by the GOP. There is no way the Senate even looks at the House bill, and polls show that people are going to blame the GOP for the shutdown. And a majority of Americans are ambivalent about the ACA. So if they win, they don't win anything from moderates. And if they force the shutdown, they lose big.

Meanwhile, Democrats can just sit back and watch. They have passed a clean CR, so they can say "we've done our part" and walk away. They win if the House caves, they win if the House doesn't cave.

Matter of fact, the longer and more painful the shutdown is, the better it is for the Democrats. All they have to do is turn their DVR's on and record everything for next fall.
 
2013-09-30 08:14:36 AM
THE TEA PARTY IS NOT THREATENING SHUT DOWN! THEY DON'T WANT A SHUTDOWN! THEY WANT TO NEGOTIATE!

THE DEMOCRATS WANT THE SHUT DOWN! THEY REFUSE TO NEGOTIATE!


I can't take it anymore
 
2013-09-30 08:14:44 AM

Katolu: Brick-House: Turfshoe: Is this the Breaking Bad thread?

Obamscare as bad as method, so yeah

What method would that be?


Would it be racist to say the rhythm method?
 
2013-09-30 08:14:57 AM

Katolu: Brick-House: Turfshoe: Is this the Breaking Bad thread?

Obamscare as bad as method, so yeah

What method would that be?


By getting people addicted to government handouts instead of being self reliant.
 
2013-09-30 08:15:11 AM
 
2013-09-30 08:15:18 AM

Turfshoe: Is this the Breaking Bad thread?


They were dead on the island the whole time?
 
2013-09-30 08:15:34 AM
How many birth control and abortion restrictions will the Republicans shoehorn into it?
 
2013-09-30 08:15:45 AM
/yawn

gimme single payer or gtfo, this is just bs
 
2013-09-30 08:15:59 AM

ransack.: Turfshoe: Is this the Breaking Bad thread?

I DIDN'T WATCH IT YET SILENCE


Snape kills White
 
2013-09-30 08:16:10 AM

kgloverfl: Oh Lord... another goverment thread... this aught to be fun.

We already know:
Republicans hate blacks.
Democrats The TEA party hates America.

Ready. Set...
GO!


FTFY
 
2013-09-30 08:16:13 AM

Brick-House: phrawgh: I certainly hope it is not too early to blame Obama!

How can we blame BOB, all he's done is play golf.


But is he smiling?
 
2013-09-30 08:16:13 AM

badhatharry: THE TEA PARTY IS NOT THREATENING SHUT DOWN! THEY DON'T WANT A SHUTDOWN! THEY WANT TO NEGOTIATE!

THE DEMOCRATS WANT THE SHUT DOWN! THEY REFUSE TO NEGOTIATE!


I can't take it anymore


Defunding/postponing the ACA is a higher priority to them, otherwise, the house would have passed a clean funding bill like the Senate did. It is their fault.
 
2013-09-30 08:16:19 AM
Government shutdown threat thread! I love it.

Government's shuttin' down. Oh, you betcha. Teabaggers gonna cheer; will be shocked, SHOCKED when this turns out badly for conservatives.

I'm unbelievably amused.
 
2013-09-30 08:16:26 AM
How does the Senate override the House? Subby, I hope, isn't American or else his civics knowledge should be ridiculed.

Regardless, we're getting a shutdown because the GOP has been taken over by anti tax nihilists.
 
2013-09-30 08:16:59 AM

I_C_Weener: Turfshoe: Is this the Breaking Bad thread?

They were dead on the island the whole time?


No no no. They escaped the island, made it back to land, had two hours of hijinx, then ended up back on the island again.
 
2013-09-30 08:17:04 AM

Brick-House: Katolu: Brick-House: Turfshoe: Is this the Breaking Bad thread?

Obamscare as bad as method, so yeah

What method would that be?

By getting people addicted to government handouts instead of being self reliant.


Like farm and oil subsidies?
 
2013-09-30 08:17:11 AM
I love these assholes toying with my livelihood.  Because we all know its not like government employees have bills to pay or anything.
 
2013-09-30 08:17:29 AM
www.ohgizmo.com
 
2013-09-30 08:17:49 AM
Vader kills Dumbledore.
 
2013-09-30 08:18:16 AM
pixel.nymag.com
 
2013-09-30 08:18:27 AM
What is the most stupid and painful possible outcome?  That is what we will do.

Markets overseas already seem to be pricing it in.  TP voters will rejoice, as their 401k's plummet (yeh, most of them don't have 401ks to begin with. They learned from their hero Rand to live off SS anyways)
 
2013-09-30 08:18:32 AM
THANKS FOR ALL THE SPOILERS BOBO MA
 
2013-09-30 08:18:41 AM

Aristocles: ransack.: Turfshoe: Is this the Breaking Bad thread?

I DIDN'T WATCH IT YET SILENCE

Holy crap, dude or dudette! You need to watch it immediately or isolate yourself.

Even Ann Coulter was singing praise for Breaking Bad on twitter last night... and if someone like Ann Coulter is talking about popculture, you know everyone and their mothers are too!


I was watching Newsroom episodes before they vanish from On Demand at the end of the month.
Spoiler: Mac Likes Will.
 
2013-09-30 08:18:42 AM
Mixed feelings... do I want them to defund Romneycare, which has very few positive points as compared to its negatives, or want them to keep it funded and find another way to budget their expenses and keep Romneycare so that we at least have some mongoloid bastardization of socialized medicine?

Meh... double-edged sword.

/ Socialist
 
2013-09-30 08:18:44 AM

ransack.: Turfshoe: Is this the Breaking Bad thread?

I DIDN'T WATCH IT YET SILENCE


METH NAZIS KILL DUMBLEDORE
 
2013-09-30 08:19:12 AM
I'm in the Eastern Hemisphere, so it's already Monday night here.  Therefore, I know what happens Monday afternoon in DC.

I won't tell you.  But, it IS scary.

/all praise the time cube
 
2013-09-30 08:19:19 AM
Subby: Will the Senate override the house and pass the health care reform bill as written?

Meanwhile, on Earth Prime, the Affordable Health Care act was passed years ago, even surviving a challenge to the Supreme Court. On our Earth, the Senate only has to decide whether to cave in to blackmail by an extremist minority of the Republican Congress who are threatening to shoot the hostage, or to restore the bill raising the debt ceiling to be what it has always been in the past.

We now return you to The Twilight Zone, where health care reform is still being debated in Congress.
 
2013-09-30 08:19:25 AM

TofuTheAlmighty: How does the Senate override the House? Subby, I hope, isn't American or else his civics knowledge should be ridiculed.

Regardless, we're getting a shutdown because the GOP has been taken over by anti tax nihilists.


The Senate has bigger shoes...they make louder sounds when stomping their feet.  Ergo, they stomp their feet to override the sound of the House stamping their feet.  Simple political science really.
 
2013-09-30 08:20:31 AM

Aristocles: hammer85: I love these assholes toying with my livelihood.  Because we all know its not like government employees have bills to pay or anything.

You're gonna get paid retroactively... you do know this, right?


And that pays my bills now....how?
 
MFK
2013-09-30 08:20:33 AM

badhatharry: THE TEA PARTY IS NOT THREATENING SHUT DOWN! THEY DON'T WANT A SHUTDOWN! THEY WANT TO NEGOTIATE!

THE DEMOCRATS WANT THE SHUT DOWN! THEY REFUSE TO NEGOTIATE!


I can't take it anymore


You really think the Tea Party is negotiating?

I suppose in a way it is... in the same way that if you lent your friend $50 and asked him to pay you back and he said, "well sure I'll pay you back, but only if you let me fark your wife first."

But for most people, making unreasonable demands that have zero chance of being met isn't considered "negotiating"
 
2013-09-30 08:20:55 AM

Aristocles: hammer85: I love these assholes toying with my livelihood.  Because we all know its not like government employees have bills to pay or anything.

You're gonna get paid retroactively... you do know this, right?


That doesn't pay the bills that are due during the shutdown... you do know that, right?
 
2013-09-30 08:21:12 AM

Publikwerks: This is such a bad move by the GOP. There is no way the Senate even looks at the House bill, and polls show that people are going to blame the GOP for the shutdown. And a majority of Americans are ambivalent about the ACA. So if they win, they don't win anything from moderates. And if they force the shutdown, they lose big.

Meanwhile, Democrats can just sit back and watch. They have passed a clean CR, so they can say "we've done our part" and walk away. They win if the House caves, they win if the House doesn't cave.

Matter of fact, the longer and more painful the shutdown is, the better it is for the Democrats. All they have to do is turn their DVR's on and record everything for next fall.


You're forgetting something - the teapots who vote these clowns into office over and over,..that's where the real problem is.

/lives in a county that loves Marsha Blackburn
 
2013-09-30 08:22:05 AM
Game of Thrones, Congressional Red Wedding Edition.

/ didn't see that episode yet.
 
2013-09-30 08:22:12 AM

hammer85: I love these assholes toying with my livelihood.  Because we all know its not like government employees have bills to pay or anything.


They view you as an enemy.
 
2013-09-30 08:22:20 AM

Brick-House: Katolu: Brick-House: Turfshoe: Is this the Breaking Bad thread?

Obamscare as bad as method, so yeah

What method would that be?

By getting people addicted to government handouts instead of being self reliant.


The self reliance would have been a lot easier if the Tea Party and Republicans had been more interested in a jobs bill rather than trying to defund the ACA 50 times. But at least that shows their true priority.
 
2013-09-30 08:22:25 AM

QueenMamaBee: Aristocles: hammer85: I love these assholes toying with my livelihood.  Because we all know its not like government employees have bills to pay or anything.

You're gonna get paid retroactively... you do know this, right?

That doesn't pay the bills that are due during the shutdown... you do know that, right?


I'm going to call wells fargo and tell them im going to retroactively pay them my mortgage.  I mean, they pretty much own congress anyway so they should understand right?
 
2013-09-30 08:22:56 AM
I've resigned myself to the understanding that a significant fraction of the House see Mad Max II: Beyond Thunderdome as an acceptable alternative to a successful and working health care system.
 
2013-09-30 08:23:01 AM
Meh.. when ObamaCare decides to do something crazy and actually allow a friend's pre-existing condition to be covered, then maybe I'll care.

Until then, it's just another medical plan that won't help with the hundred thousand minimum testing bills followed by the over 300,000 in bills for the actual fix.  Resulting in her being able to drive down the road without randomly being temporarily paralyzed from the waist down.  She even has the joys and wonders of knowing that some day she will be permanently paralyzed from the waist down.

(Ah, medical profession friends who like other medical profession people get advanced copies of all the revisions to any new health policies/laws/regulations)
 
2013-09-30 08:23:11 AM

Katolu: Brick-House: Turfshoe: Is this the Breaking Bad thread?

Obamscare as bad as method, so yeah

What method would that be?


Method acting.
 
2013-09-30 08:23:12 AM

Brick-House: Katolu: Brick-House: Turfshoe: Is this the Breaking Bad thread?

Obamscare as bad as method, so yeah

What method would that be?

By getting people addicted to government handouts instead of being self reliant.


Lead by example.

\and then STFU
 
2013-09-30 08:23:20 AM

Publikwerks: badhatharry: THE TEA PARTY IS NOT THREATENING SHUT DOWN! THEY DON'T WANT A SHUTDOWN! THEY WANT TO NEGOTIATE!

THE DEMOCRATS WANT THE SHUT DOWN! THEY REFUSE TO NEGOTIATE!


I can't take it anymore

Defunding/postponing the ACA is a higher priority to them, otherwise, the house would have passed a clean funding bill like the Senate did. It is their fault.


That is what they were elected to do. The Senate has to negotiate with them. The Senate is saying we don't like it so you get nothing.
 
2013-09-30 08:23:33 AM

hammer85: I love these assholes toying with my livelihood.  Because we all know its not like government employees have bills to pay or anything.


Government employees are leeches. What with their mortgages, and car loans, and all the money they spend on food, and clothing, and sending their kids to school, government employees are nothing but a drain on the economy. I'll bet those leeches even spend money on vacations and save money for retirement.
 
2013-09-30 08:23:54 AM
Good morning, everyone.  Reporting for duty.

*clears throat*
 
2013-09-30 08:24:47 AM
If the senate alters and passes a bill already passed by the house, it has to go back to the house for another vote.
 
2013-09-30 08:24:49 AM

Dinki: health care reform bill ? Is it 2009 again?


To some Republicans it will never be the law.
 
2013-09-30 08:24:56 AM

Agarista: let them have health insurance.

or cake.


YOU! Cake or Death?
 
2013-09-30 08:25:02 AM

sprawl15: ransack.: Turfshoe: Is this the Breaking Bad thread?

I DIDN'T WATCH IT YET SILENCE

METH NAZIS KILL DUMBLEDORE


cdn7.nflximg.net
 
2013-09-30 08:25:02 AM
www.newyorker.com
Cheer up, beautiful people. This is where you get to make it all right.
 
2013-09-30 08:25:04 AM

hammer85: QueenMamaBee: Aristocles: hammer85: I love these assholes toying with my livelihood.  Because we all know its not like government employees have bills to pay or anything.

You're gonna get paid retroactively... you do know this, right?

That doesn't pay the bills that are due during the shutdown... you do know that, right?

I'm going to call wells fargo and tell them im going to retroactively pay them my mortgage.  I mean, they pretty much own congress anyway so they should understand right?


They care about as much about the plight of government workers as Black September cared about the plight of Israeli Olympic Athletes.
 
2013-09-30 08:27:16 AM

Aristocles: QueenMamaBee: Aristocles: hammer85: I love these assholes toying with my livelihood.  Because we all know its not like government employees have bills to pay or anything.

You're gonna get paid retroactively... you do know this, right?

That doesn't pay the bills that are due during the shutdown... you do know that, right?

Well, maybe you should call your state representatives and BOB and tell them to pass the farking bill!


The retro-pay has to be approved by congress. I guess I missed the article where Republicans said they'll approve retro-pay for government employees.
 
2013-09-30 08:27:27 AM

badhatharry: Publikwerks: badhatharry: THE TEA PARTY IS NOT THREATENING SHUT DOWN! THEY DON'T WANT A SHUTDOWN! THEY WANT TO NEGOTIATE!

THE DEMOCRATS WANT THE SHUT DOWN! THEY REFUSE TO NEGOTIATE!


I can't take it anymore

Defunding/postponing the ACA is a higher priority to them, otherwise, the house would have passed a clean funding bill like the Senate did. It is their fault.

That is what they were elected to do. The Senate has to negotiate with them and the House has to negotiate with the Senate and the President. The Senate is saying we don't like it so you get nothing to not shut down the federal government.

 
2013-09-30 08:27:30 AM

Dinki: health care reform bill ? Is it 2009 again?


Obama used his magical time machine so much that it caused a rip in the time space continuum and caused 2013 to fold back on 2009 destroying 2009 and making us repeat it.

What the hell is is problem?
 
2013-09-30 08:27:57 AM

badhatharry: Publikwerks: badhatharry: THE TEA PARTY IS NOT THREATENING SHUT DOWN! THEY DON'T WANT A SHUTDOWN! THEY WANT TO NEGOTIATE!

THE DEMOCRATS WANT THE SHUT DOWN! THEY REFUSE TO NEGOTIATE!


I can't take it anymore

Defunding/postponing the ACA is a higher priority to them, otherwise, the house would have passed a clean funding bill like the Senate did. It is their fault.

That is what they were elected to do. The Senate has to negotiate with them. The Senate is saying we don't like it so you get nothing.


Well, no, they don't. Since polls show most people are gonna blame the GOP, there is little reason to negotiate. The ACA is a lost cause. It's in effect, and is not going anywhere.
 
2013-09-30 08:27:59 AM
We may not like Obamacare.  The president may have admitted that he wants to change the law.  But it is the law right now.

It would be one thing if the fight hadn't happened, but it did.  It happened when it went through Congress the first time.  It happened when it was the cornerstone for creating the president's election campaign...and he got re-elected.

Now is not the time for this fight.  It is absolutely ridiculous to repeatedly keep seeing Congress ransom off a government shut down or collapsing the debt ceiling.   If you look back at the history of Congress, this is something that has almost always been sacred.  The debt ceiling and actually paying people who work were usually left out of the political arguments.

No one was stupid enough to risk our economy then, it's too bad they are now.

Boston had it right, throw all the tea into the ocean.  Time to start replacing people
 
2013-09-30 08:28:13 AM

sprawl15: METH NAZIS KILL DUMBLEDORE


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2013-09-30 08:28:19 AM

Aristocles: Notabunny: hammer85: I love these assholes toying with my livelihood.  Because we all know its not like government employees have bills to pay or anything.

Government employees are leeches. What with their mortgages, and car loans, and all the money they spend on food, and clothing, and sending their kids to school, government employees are nothing but a drain on the economy. I'll bet those leeches even spend money on vacations and save money for retirement.

No, they're not. But, there's no reason the government should somehow be shielded from the economic realities that folks in the private sector face and have been facing for the past 5 years.

/govt contractor


Such as?
 
2013-09-30 08:29:04 AM
Going to be hilarious when the few Democrats who actually work get their new health care bills.
 
2013-09-30 08:29:31 AM

QueenMamaBee: Aristocles: hammer85: I love these assholes toying with my livelihood.  Because we all know its not like government employees have bills to pay or anything.

You're gonna get paid retroactively... you do know this, right?

That doesn't pay the bills that are due during the shutdown... you do know that, right?


Actually, if you aren't essential, as about 900,000 people are categorized, you don't get back pay unless it is approved by congress. So, through no fault of their own, 900,000 gov't employees don't get paid because 20 potatoes want to privatize medicare and give another handout to their petrol buddies.

I am someone who should be the bread and butter for the republican party. I am very cautious when it comes to change and want to make sure any change to the status quo is well reasoned and debated to ensure its the right course; basically I am a conservate. However, I will never ever vote for any person with an (R) next to their name. They blew it. Anyone who votes for Republicans is not a conservative, at this point the republican party is filled with Fundys waiting for the apocalypse, the uber rich, and the unimformed.
 
2013-09-30 08:30:08 AM

badhatharry: THE TEA PARTY IS NOT THREATENING SHUT DOWN! THEY DON'T WANT A SHUTDOWN! THEY WANT TO NEGOTIATE!

THE DEMOCRATS WANT THE SHUT DOWN! THEY REFUSE TO NEGOTIATE!


I can't take it anymore


No. The ACA was passed, sued over, and ruled constitutional.

It isn't up for debate anymore. You can try repeal it after it's taken full effect. Go ahead. If it's so horrible then people will want it gone after it's in place.

It has no place in budget talks. No place in debt ceiling talks. Anyone trying to put it in is trying to hold the government hostage in order to deny Americans health care access and should be run out of Washington.
 
2013-09-30 08:30:26 AM

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i once built a bicycle out of old cigarette machine parts
 
2013-09-30 08:30:33 AM
"Ser Ilyn, bring me Obamacare's head!"

Sen. Rafael "Joffrey" Cruz (R-TX)
 
2013-09-30 08:30:51 AM

ransack.: Turfshoe: Is this the Breaking Bad thread?

I DIDN'T WATCH IT YET SILENCE


It was weird how Walt became a lumberjack.
 
2013-09-30 08:30:52 AM

Thunderpipes: Going to be hilarious when the few Democrats who actually work get their new health care bills.


I say we let all the people making under 1 million a year die. Cut off all services,let the poors riot while the job creators are safe in their mansions with security guards. Then after that everything will be just fine.
 
2013-09-30 08:31:19 AM

sprawl15: i once built a bicycle out of old cigarette machine parts


This gon' be a guuuuuuud thred, boys.
 
2013-09-30 08:32:14 AM
How do you shut down something which does nothing?

It's like turning off a rock...
 
2013-09-30 08:32:18 AM
My prediction is that this is all over by Wednesday, the GOP caves in after immense pressure from their major campaign donors, and everything goes back to "normal" until the debt ceiling battle on Oct 17th.
 
2013-09-30 08:33:01 AM
Thunderpipes (favorite: ITG Editor in Chief): Going to be hilarious when the few Democrats who actually work get their new health care bills.

We'll just raise taxes on the job creators and give all the unemployed Democrats a subsidy.
 
2013-09-30 08:33:24 AM

badhatharry: THE TEA PARTY IS NOT THREATENING SHUT DOWN! THEY DON'T WANT A SHUTDOWN! THEY WANT TO NEGOTIATE!



Negotiating is generally done in reasonable volume levels, NOT SCREAMIING!

/Tea party "wants to negotiate" like my kid "wants" to share.
 
2013-09-30 08:33:46 AM

Mike_LowELL: sprawl15: i once built a bicycle out of old cigarette machine parts

This gon' be a guuuuuuud thred, boys.


I may have to stay home for this one.
 
2013-09-30 08:33:51 AM
I expect a shutdown.  We govern by fear and crisis.  Next week the R's will get a few concessions and a brand new crisis will get baked in by only funding the government until right before next year's elections.
 
2013-09-30 08:33:57 AM

badhatharry: THE TEA PARTY IS NOT THREATENING SHUT DOWN! THEY DON'T WANT A SHUTDOWN! THEY WANT TO NEGOTIATE!

THE DEMOCRATS WANT THE SHUT DOWN! THEY REFUSE TO NEGOTIATE!


I can't take it anymore


Ow. Somehow my ears actually hurt when I read this.
 
2013-09-30 08:34:16 AM

Mike_LowELL: sprawl15: i once built a bicycle out of old cigarette machine parts

This gon' be a guuuuuuud thred, boys.


We girls will try to counteract all the testosterone-fueled idiocy. :)
 
2013-09-30 08:34:43 AM

Aristocles: hammer85: I love these assholes toying with my livelihood.  Because we all know its not like government employees have bills to pay or anything.

You're gonna get paid retroactively... you do know this, right?


Conservative disconnection from reality, highlighted in stark relief for our entertainment.

/You guys are gonna be sooo pissed.
 
2013-09-30 08:34:48 AM
Hi, everyone, whenever a Republican makes a prediction about the future, remember they seriously thought on Election Day that Mitt Romney was going to win
 
2013-09-30 08:35:02 AM

Publikwerks: This is such a bad move by the GOP. There is no way the Senate even looks at the House bill, and polls show that people are going to blame the GOP for the shutdown. And a majority of Americans are ambivalent about the ACA. So if they win, they don't win anything from moderates. And if they force the shutdown, they lose big.

Meanwhile, Democrats can just sit back and watch. They have passed a clean CR, so they can say "we've done our part" and walk away. They win if the House caves, they win if the House doesn't cave.

Matter of fact, the longer and more painful the shutdown is, the better it is for the Democrats. All they have to do is turn their DVR's on and record everything for next fall.


No, majority of Americans do not like Obamacare. Majority of businesses do not either. Only welfare bums and hard core left wing crazies think it will be anything but a disaster. Even the unions don't like it now. Obama is trying to get them a 200 billion dollar subsidy just for them. It will not work.
 
2013-09-30 08:35:17 AM

Aristocles: hammer85: I love these assholes toying with my livelihood.  Because we all know its not like government employees have bills to pay or anything.

You're gonna get paid retroactively... you do know this, right?


Can they pay their mortgage, insurance, or credit car retroactively? Can they eat retroactively?

Can you be aborted, retroactively?

If the answer to all is yes, then by all means, proceed with the shutdown with my blessing.
 
2013-09-30 08:35:33 AM

fluffy2097: How do you shut down something which does nothing?

It's like turning off a rock...


You're going to love the packs of desperate retirees roaming the streets in search of food and Geritol when their Social Security check doesn't get paid.
 
2013-09-30 08:35:38 AM
"The budget process has completely broken down in recent years.  The two people most responsible for that breakdown are President Obama and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid.
Reid and the Democrats knew very well that the federal deficit was spiraling out of control..."

There isn't enough money to go around for all the Democrats tax and spend programs.

Time to shut things down for a while, till Harry Reid can decide how to begin paying for some things.


(I feel bad for you if you are a 20someting and part of generation debt)
 
2013-09-30 08:35:49 AM

doomjesse: badhatharry: THE TEA PARTY IS NOT THREATENING SHUT DOWN! THEY DON'T WANT A SHUTDOWN! THEY WANT TO NEGOTIATE!


Negotiating is generally done in reasonable volume levels, NOT SCREAMIING!

/Tea party "wants to negotiate" like my kid "wants" to share.


If your kids want to share you must be a communist parent that hates capitalism!
 
2013-09-30 08:35:54 AM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Thunderpipes (favorite: ITG Editor in Chief): Going to be hilarious when the few Democrats who actually work get their new health care bills.

We'll just raise taxes on the job creators and give all the unemployed Democrats a subsidy.


The employed ones, too.  A family of 4 earning up to $94k are elgible for a subsidy for insurance purchased from an exchange.
 
2013-09-30 08:36:06 AM
The irony here is that this is not a battle between the House and the Senate, as Subby seems to think, nor even between Republican and Democratic parties, as the media -- terrified of being accused of not being even-handed -- will say.

This is a battle between the majority of the Republican party in Congress and an extremist faction of the Republican party. The extremists want do to something never seen before in our democracy: use the threat of economic chaos to achieve a political goal that they couldn't achieve through the Presidential election, nor even muster enough support for in a thoroughly gerrymandered and unrepresentative Congress. What the Tea Party is demanding here is not "negotiation" nor "compromise": it is "give us all our demands or we will shoot the hostage".

The sad part is that there is a very simple and straightforward resolution to this whole business. It requires Boehner and the mainstream House GOP Caucus to stand up and say "you in the Tea Party are damaging our party and our cause. By being intransigent and extreme, we are achieving none of our goals, rather than at least some of them. We have tried in good faith to accommodate you but there is no give on your part, only take." Then Boehner together with the Democrats in the House pass a clean CR, and the Tea Party is cut adrift.

Of course, that's never going to happen, and a big part of the reason is that so many in the GOP House are terrified of being primaried; and the reason they are at risk for that is, of course, the unlimited outside funding unleashed by Citizens United. Thanks to that turd dropped into the electoral punchbowl by the Supreme Court, the rich are now able to use the extremist rump of an unpopular minority party to hold the entire democratic process hostage to their demands. What a great country.
 
2013-09-30 08:36:39 AM

Thunderpipes: Publikwerks: This is such a bad move by the GOP. There is no way the Senate even looks at the House bill, and polls show that people are going to blame the GOP for the shutdown. And a majority of Americans are ambivalent about the ACA. So if they win, they don't win anything from moderates. And if they force the shutdown, they lose big.

Meanwhile, Democrats can just sit back and watch. They have passed a clean CR, so they can say "we've done our part" and walk away. They win if the House caves, they win if the House doesn't cave.

Matter of fact, the longer and more painful the shutdown is, the better it is for the Democrats. All they have to do is turn their DVR's on and record everything for next fall.

No, majority of Americans do not like Obamacare. Majority of businesses do not either. Only welfare bums and hard core left wing crazies think it will be anything but a disaster. Even the unions don't like it now. Obama is trying to get them a 200 billion dollar subsidy just for them. It will not work.


Really? What part don't they like?
 
2013-09-30 08:37:03 AM

Publikwerks: badhatharry: Publikwerks: badhatharry: THE TEA PARTY IS NOT THREATENING SHUT DOWN! THEY DON'T WANT A SHUTDOWN! THEY WANT TO NEGOTIATE!

THE DEMOCRATS WANT THE SHUT DOWN! THEY REFUSE TO NEGOTIATE!


I can't take it anymore

Defunding/postponing the ACA is a higher priority to them, otherwise, the house would have passed a clean funding bill like the Senate did. It is their fault.

That is what they were elected to do. The Senate has to negotiate with them. The Senate is saying we don't like it so you get nothing.

Well, no, they don't. Since polls show most people are gonna blame the GOP, there is little reason to negotiate. The ACA is a lost cause. It's in effect, and is not going anywhere.


It's not their fault that only those who actually fill out polls can be included in the totals.
 
2013-09-30 08:37:49 AM
Why does everyone seem to think that a few days without a huge, intrusive bureaucracy would be the end of the world?

The government shutting down "non-essential services" is like unemployed people going on strike. Most "non-essential services" are things it shouldn't be doing in the first place. 

Our leaders are alarming us so that we'll put pressure on their political opponents. Instead of being their frightened dupes, we should be telling them to make these cuts permanent.
 
2013-09-30 08:37:55 AM
Dems want shutdown. GOP wants shutdown. It's a win-win.

Funnier than it's ever been!

/oh, no one working for government should get paid. That would be funny too!
 
2013-09-30 08:37:59 AM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Thunderpipes (favorite: ITG Editor in Chief): Going to be hilarious when the few Democrats who actually work get their new health care bills.

We'll just raise taxes on the job creators and give all the unemployed Democrats a subsidy.


Yup, has worked wonders everywhere it has been done. Hi Detroit, how ya doing? Hi CA, how is your pension shortfall looking, oh, billions and billions of dollars underfunded? Awesome. Solyndra, the company that will save us, how you been? Minorities, thank goodness your employment numbers have jumped way up huh? Bang up Job, Bam Bam.
 
2013-09-30 08:38:20 AM
www.maggiesnotebook.com
 
2013-09-30 08:38:34 AM
www.memecreator.org
 
2013-09-30 08:38:48 AM

Notabunny: Really? What part don't they like?


Everything up to the letter C.

They've been warming up to the death panels, but that appears to be more of a seasonal trend (hatred of the elderly increases as we near the holiday season).
 
2013-09-30 08:39:00 AM
ilk.uvt.nl

Shall we play a game?
 
2013-09-30 08:39:33 AM
What's that?  The government is out of money?  I propose a wealth tax, collected weekly, that will stay in effect until they fix this.

i.imgur.com

As always, gov't shutdowns hurt the poor and middle class the most.  Until the wealthy elite start to feel some of the pain, they have no incentive to order their servants in Congress to act.
 
2013-09-30 08:39:39 AM

Publikwerks: badhatharry: Publikwerks: badhatharry: THE TEA PARTY IS NOT THREATENING SHUT DOWN! THEY DON'T WANT A SHUTDOWN! THEY WANT TO NEGOTIATE!

THE DEMOCRATS WANT THE SHUT DOWN! THEY REFUSE TO NEGOTIATE!


I can't take it anymore

Defunding/postponing the ACA is a higher priority to them, otherwise, the house would have passed a clean funding bill like the Senate did. It is their fault.

That is what they were elected to do. The Senate has to negotiate with them. The Senate is saying we don't like it so you get nothing.

Well, no, they don't. Since polls show most people are gonna blame the GOP, there is little reason to negotiate. The ACA is a lost cause. It's in effect, and is not going anywhere.


That is exactly why there will be a shutdown. The democrats would actually like a delay but they know the republicans will get blamed for the shutdown. That is why they are pushing for a shutdown.
 
2013-09-30 08:40:23 AM

Brick-House: phrawgh: I certainly hope it is not too early to blame Obama!

How can we blame BOB, all he's done is play golf.


He is not a leader, he doesn't like America, he is out to destroy America, and he is doing it..  Our only hope now is that true Americans like Ted Cruz and the Conservative Party are joined by fellow Americans who are fed up with the antics of the Old Guard ( both parties) and throw them out.  Dump Obamacare and Obama, freeze the debt limit, and stop the reckless spending.  The Sleeping Giant better get off it's ass and get it's priorities in order, and do what needs to be done... the time is NOW !  Use it or lose it..   If obamacare is enacted, we,re done.  the government will be sleeping in our beds at night, looting our bank accounts, fully dictating how we live.. We are swirling the drain, people... get off your ass and put in the plug !
 
2013-09-30 08:40:26 AM

Thunderpipes: Publikwerks: This is such a bad move by the GOP. There is no way the Senate even looks at the House bill, and polls show that people are going to blame the GOP for the shutdown. And a majority of Americans are ambivalent about the ACA. So if they win, they don't win anything from moderates. And if they force the shutdown, they lose big.

Meanwhile, Democrats can just sit back and watch. They have passed a clean CR, so they can say "we've done our part" and walk away. They win if the House caves, they win if the House doesn't cave.

Matter of fact, the longer and more painful the shutdown is, the better it is for the Democrats. All they have to do is turn their DVR's on and record everything for next fall.

No, majority of Americans do not like Obamacare. Majority of businesses do not either. Only welfare bums and hard core left wing crazies think it will be anything but a disaster. Even the unions don't like it now. Obama is trying to get them a 200 billion dollar subsidy just for them. It will not work.


You just look like an idiot when you say things like this.
 
2013-09-30 08:40:34 AM

Aristocles: derpy: Aristocles: ransack.: Turfshoe: Is this the Breaking Bad thread?

I DIDN'T WATCH IT YET SILENCE

Holy crap, dude or dudette! You need to watch it immediately or isolate yourself.

Even Ann Coulter was singing praise for Breaking Bad on twitter last night... and if someone like Ann Coulter is talking about popculture, you know everyone and their mothers are too!

I was watching Newsroom episodes before they vanish from On Demand at the end of the month.
Spoiler: Mac Likes Will.

lol!

With your Fark handle, that's a perfect parody of a Farklib Entertainment comment.

9/10!

/who wants to watch a show about behind the scenes at The Factor  or Countdown? lol!


Maybe I'm a brony who's liked this show ever since it was behind the scenes at SportsCenter.
 
2013-09-30 08:40:42 AM
Anything that creates Democrat butthurt is OK with me.
 
2013-09-30 08:41:00 AM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Thunderpipes: Publikwerks: This is such a bad move by the GOP. There is no way the Senate even looks at the House bill, and polls show that people are going to blame the GOP for the shutdown. And a majority of Americans are ambivalent about the ACA. So if they win, they don't win anything from moderates. And if they force the shutdown, they lose big.

Meanwhile, Democrats can just sit back and watch. They have passed a clean CR, so they can say "we've done our part" and walk away. They win if the House caves, they win if the House doesn't cave.

Matter of fact, the longer and more painful the shutdown is, the better it is for the Democrats. All they have to do is turn their DVR's on and record everything for next fall.

No, majority of Americans do not like Obamacare. Majority of businesses do not either. Only welfare bums and hard core left wing crazies think it will be anything but a disaster. Even the unions don't like it now. Obama is trying to get them a 200 billion dollar subsidy just for them. It will not work.

You just look like an idiot when you say things like this.


I'm sure they're aware of that.
 
2013-09-30 08:41:01 AM

Oblio13: Why does everyone seem to think that a few days without a huge, intrusive bureaucracy would be the end of the world?

The government shutting down "non-essential services" is like unemployed people going on strike. Most "non-essential services" are things it shouldn't be doing in the first place. 

Our leaders are alarming us so that we'll put pressure on their political opponents. Instead of being their frightened dupes, we should be telling them to make these cuts permanent.


Like park rangers while there are still campers about with their cute little harmless campfires.
 
2013-09-30 08:41:10 AM

badhatharry: Publikwerks: badhatharry: Publikwerks: badhatharry: THE TEA PARTY IS NOT THREATENING SHUT DOWN! THEY DON'T WANT A SHUTDOWN! THEY WANT TO NEGOTIATE!

THE DEMOCRATS WANT THE SHUT DOWN! THEY REFUSE TO NEGOTIATE!


I can't take it anymore

Defunding/postponing the ACA is a higher priority to them, otherwise, the house would have passed a clean funding bill like the Senate did. It is their fault.

That is what they were elected to do. The Senate has to negotiate with them. The Senate is saying we don't like it so you get nothing.

Well, no, they don't. Since polls show most people are gonna blame the GOP, there is little reason to negotiate. The ACA is a lost cause. It's in effect, and is not going anywhere.

That is exactly why there will be a shutdown. The democrats would actually like a delay but they know the republicans will get blamed for the shutdown. That is why they are pushing for a shutdown.


ITS A CONSPIRACY
 
2013-09-30 08:41:27 AM

timswar: badhatharry: THE TEA PARTY IS NOT THREATENING SHUT DOWN! THEY DON'T WANT A SHUTDOWN! THEY WANT TO NEGOTIATE!

THE DEMOCRATS WANT THE SHUT DOWN! THEY REFUSE TO NEGOTIATE!


I can't take it anymore

No. The ACA was passed, sued over, and ruled constitutional.

It isn't up for debate anymore. You can try repeal it after it's taken full effect. Go ahead. If it's so horrible then people will want it gone after it's in place.

It has no place in budget talks. No place in debt ceiling talks. Anyone trying to put it in is trying to hold the government hostage in order to deny Americans health care access and should be run out of Washington.


The funding for it will be up for debate every year. That is their farking job.
 
2013-09-30 08:41:51 AM

Katolu: Brick-House: Turfshoe: Is this the Breaking Bad thread?

Obamscare as bad as method, so yeah

What method would that be?


The pull-out.
 
2013-09-30 08:41:52 AM

cwolf20: Meh.. when ObamaCare decides to do something crazy and actually allow a friend's pre-existing condition to be covered, then maybe I'll care.

Until then, it's just another medical plan that won't help with the hundred thousand minimum testing bills followed by the over 300,000 in bills for the actual fix.  Resulting in her being able to drive down the road without randomly being temporarily paralyzed from the waist down.  She even has the joys and wonders of knowing that some day she will be permanently paralyzed from the waist down.

(Ah, medical profession friends who like other medical profession people get advanced copies of all the revisions to any new health policies/laws/regulations)


I feel like this was meant to be coherent..........?
 
2013-09-30 08:42:02 AM

Phineas: Anything that creates Democrat butthurt is OK with me.


^^^^^^^^ Hey, look everybody, it's part of the problem!!!!  ^^^^^^^^^
 
2013-09-30 08:42:14 AM

Aristocles: QueenMamaBee: Aristocles: hammer85: I love these assholes toying with my livelihood.  Because we all know its not like government employees have bills to pay or anything.

You're gonna get paid retroactively... you do know this, right?

That doesn't pay the bills that are due during the shutdown... you do know that, right?

Well, maybe you should call your state representatives and BOB and tell them to pass the farking bill!


Thomas Massie can go fark himself.

Same for my Senate-asshats Rand Paul and Mitch McConnell.
 
2013-09-30 08:42:47 AM

hammer85: I love these assholes toying with my livelihood.  Because we all know its not like government employees have bills to pay or anything.


You're a government worker. Like a ginger, you have no soul.

/This is what people contributing to their own misery actually believe to make themselves feel better.
 
2013-09-30 08:43:31 AM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: You're going to love the packs of desperate retirees roaming the streets in search of food and Geritol when their Social Security check doesn't get paid.


SS checks still get cut. That's not part of what get shut down.
 
2013-09-30 08:43:39 AM

QueenMamaBee: Aristocles: QueenMamaBee: Aristocles: hammer85: I love these assholes toying with my livelihood.  Because we all know its not like government employees have bills to pay or anything.

You're gonna get paid retroactively... you do know this, right?

That doesn't pay the bills that are due during the shutdown... you do know that, right?

Well, maybe you should call your state representatives and BOB and tell them to pass the farking bill!

Thomas Massie can go fark himself.

Same for my Senate-asshats Rand Paul and Mitch McConnell.


It's great when your elected representatives always do exactly the opposite of what you want, isn't it?
 
2013-09-30 08:43:43 AM
Teahad watch!
 
2013-09-30 08:43:44 AM

Aristocles: Notabunny: Aristocles: Notabunny: hammer85: I love these assholes toying with my livelihood.  Because we all know its not like government employees have bills to pay or anything.

Government employees are leeches. What with their mortgages, and car loans, and all the money they spend on food, and clothing, and sending their kids to school, government employees are nothing but a drain on the economy. I'll bet those leeches even spend money on vacations and save money for retirement.

No, they're not. But, there's no reason the government should somehow be shielded from the economic realities that folks in the private sector face and have been facing for the past 5 years.

/govt contractor

Such as?

You know, like being forced to downsize, not getting raises, having to work longer hours with no overtime pay, having to compete to keep your job, facing the risk of going out of business do to lack of demand, etc. etc. and whatnot.


Is it your position that there have been no public-sector jobs lost?
 
2013-09-30 08:44:04 AM

Aristocles: hammer85: I love these assholes toying with my livelihood.  Because we all know its not like government employees have bills to pay or anything.

You're gonna get paid retroactively... you do know this, right?


Yeah, right.  And I'm sure all he has to do is explain that to the person who holds his lease/mortgage, the grocery store, the utility company(s) and the local gas station and they'll be happy to extend him credit indefinitely.

-2/10
 
2013-09-30 08:44:23 AM

GoodyearPimp: I expect a shutdown.  We govern by fear and crisis.  Next week the R's will get a few concessions and a brand new crisis will get baked in by only funding the government until right before next year's elections.


I expected a CR with the ACA language stripped, and for the fight to be taken to the debt limit debate (really?  We're debating that again?).  However, House Republicans are adamant that any passage that includes the ACA funding is unacceptable, and to vote for it is to capitulate to the libbiest lib that ever soshalizmed.

Right now, I don't know.  There is no way the House bill passes.  Which means they have to vote on the Senate version.  I would have thought this was likely, until the House voted against the first Senate bill so decisively.
 
2013-09-30 08:45:01 AM

cman: badhatharry: Publikwerks: badhatharry: Publikwerks: badhatharry: THE TEA PARTY IS NOT THREATENING SHUT DOWN! THEY DON'T WANT A SHUTDOWN! THEY WANT TO NEGOTIATE!

THE DEMOCRATS WANT THE SHUT DOWN! THEY REFUSE TO NEGOTIATE!


I can't take it anymore

Defunding/postponing the ACA is a higher priority to them, otherwise, the house would have passed a clean funding bill like the Senate did. It is their fault.

That is what they were elected to do. The Senate has to negotiate with them. The Senate is saying we don't like it so you get nothing.

Well, no, they don't. Since polls show most people are gonna blame the GOP, there is little reason to negotiate. The ACA is a lost cause. It's in effect, and is not going anywhere.

That is exactly why there will be a shutdown. The democrats would actually like a delay but they know the republicans will get blamed for the shutdown. That is why they are pushing for a shutdown.

ITS A CONSPIRACY


Yeah, a bunch of dipshiats who think they are machiavellian political strategists trying to out move their opponents. It's a conspiracy.

facepalm
 
2013-09-30 08:45:02 AM

Brick-House: phrawgh: I certainly hope it is not too early to blame Obama!

How can we blame BOB, all he's done is play golf.


Who is BOB?
 
2013-09-30 08:45:23 AM
i.imgur.com
i.imgur.com
 
2013-09-30 08:45:30 AM

Thunderpipes: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Thunderpipes (favorite: ITG Editor in Chief): Going to be hilarious when the few Democrats who actually work get their new health care bills.

We'll just raise taxes on the job creators and give all the unemployed Democrats a subsidy.

Yup, has worked wonders everywhere it has been done. Hi Detroit, how ya doing? Hi CA, how is your pension shortfall looking, oh, billions and billions of dollars underfunded? Awesome. Solyndra, the company that will save us, how you been? Minorities, thank goodness your employment numbers have jumped way up huh? Bang up Job, Bam Bam.


LOL

This is an amazing look in to the brain of a dead ender.
 
2013-09-30 08:45:53 AM

dogdaze: In B4Hitler


he's on fark too? what's his fark handle?
 
2013-09-30 08:47:03 AM
I really hate Republicans so much right now. So much suffering they want to cause in the name of making poor people suffer even more.
They've turned themselves into caricatures of villains now.

They're like Snidely Whiplash without the cool mustache.
And people are dumb enough to support them, which boggles the mind.
 
2013-09-30 08:47:06 AM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: QueenMamaBee: Aristocles: QueenMamaBee: Aristocles: hammer85: I love these assholes toying with my livelihood.  Because we all know its not like government employees have bills to pay or anything.

You're gonna get paid retroactively... you do know this, right?

That doesn't pay the bills that are due during the shutdown... you do know that, right?

Well, maybe you should call your state representatives and BOB and tell them to pass the farking bill!

Thomas Massie can go fark himself.

Same for my Senate-asshats Rand Paul and Mitch McConnell.

It's great when your elected representatives always do exactly the opposite of what you want, isn't it?


I didn't vote for any of them.... and this is proof that Kentuckians shouldn't be able to vote for anything more important than American Idol.
 
2013-09-30 08:47:09 AM

Oblio13: Why does everyone seem to think that a few days without a huge, intrusive bureaucracy would be the end of the world?

The government shutting down "non-essential services" is like unemployed people going on strike. Most "non-essential services" are things it shouldn't be doing in the first place. 

Our leaders are alarming us so that we'll put pressure on their political opponents. Instead of being their frightened dupes, we should be telling them to make these cuts permanent.


Actually, that is not what unessential services means. For example, in social security, the judges have to work but the rest of the staff is deemed nonessential. The reason being is that they can't stop the hearings, but can delay sending out actual decisions and can delay new hearings being held. In an extended shutdown, they will have to bring the staff back because they are neccessary to run the program. Without the staff, there are hearings held that have been scheduled for 2 months, but no decisions, no work up on newly received files, and no new hearings scheduled.

Then again you are a simpleton because only a simpleton would find it necessary to opine on something they have no knowledge.
 
2013-09-30 08:47:11 AM

Phineas: Anything that creates Democrat butthurt is OK with me.


Seriously, you're ok with not paying our military because you want to stick it to the Dems... b/c I can guarantee you that if this shutdown goes for mroe than a few weeks, even our guys in uniforms have bills to pay, and you'd see a bunch of them having to walk off the job to get a regular job. Not even like the DFACs could handle EVERY soldier coming in for food.
 
2013-09-30 08:47:15 AM
A nurse told me that Obamacare will be bad. So we can all go home now.

/off to seek a farmer's opinion on farm subsidies
 
2013-09-30 08:47:33 AM

badhatharry: cman: badhatharry: Publikwerks: badhatharry: Publikwerks: badhatharry: THE TEA PARTY IS NOT THREATENING SHUT DOWN! THEY DON'T WANT A SHUTDOWN! THEY WANT TO NEGOTIATE!

THE DEMOCRATS WANT THE SHUT DOWN! THEY REFUSE TO NEGOTIATE!


I can't take it anymore

Defunding/postponing the ACA is a higher priority to them, otherwise, the house would have passed a clean funding bill like the Senate did. It is their fault.

That is what they were elected to do. The Senate has to negotiate with them. The Senate is saying we don't like it so you get nothing.

Well, no, they don't. Since polls show most people are gonna blame the GOP, there is little reason to negotiate. The ACA is a lost cause. It's in effect, and is not going anywhere.

That is exactly why there will be a shutdown. The democrats would actually like a delay but they know the republicans will get blamed for the shutdown. That is why they are pushing for a shutdown.

ITS A CONSPIRACY

Yeah, a bunch of dipshiats who think they are machiavellian political strategists trying to out move their opponents. It's a conspiracy.

facepalm


Ok, wise guy, where is your proof?

Now, I aint talking about linking me to some shiatty blog, twitter, or an Alex Jones like site. Reputable sources.

Until you have proof you are only speculating and attempting to pass it off as facts
 
2013-09-30 08:47:48 AM
It's too early and I'm too busy to be angry.  But later will be a different story.
 
2013-09-30 08:47:49 AM
ACA: Ideas so good they have to be mandatory
ACA: OMG DERP TEAPARTIES VOTED AGAINST OBAMACARE 40 TIMES!1111!! (And the president signed the bill 16 of those times.
ACA: We're betting young healthy people are stupid enough to be tricked into directly subsidizing the old and sick through 'private' health care exchanges.
ACA: Because the democrats will shutdown the government so they can tax hearing aids and pacemakers.
ACA: Because bleeding heart liberals don't understand or don't care about differences in statical record keeping vs the single payer countries they compare us to.
ACA: Because health care wasn't sufficiently distorted by government intervention already.
ACA: Because catastrophic health insurance plans are the work of republican devils, even if they make perfect sense for the people who choose to buy them.
ACA: Because skyrocketing premiums due to government mandates is 'affordable'
 
2013-09-30 08:47:54 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: dogdaze: In B4Hitler

he's on fark too? what's his fark handle?


Drew
 
2013-09-30 08:48:00 AM
Oh look. The Americans are fighting with other again.
 
2013-09-30 08:48:33 AM

Aristocles: QueenMamaBee: Aristocles: QueenMamaBee: Aristocles: hammer85: I love these assholes toying with my livelihood.  Because we all know its not like government employees have bills to pay or anything.

You're gonna get paid retroactively... you do know this, right?

That doesn't pay the bills that are due during the shutdown... you do know that, right?

Well, maybe you should call your state representatives and BOB and tell them to pass the farking bill!

Thomas Massie can go fark himself.

Same for my Senate-asshats Rand Paul and Mitch McConnell.

It sounds like you've got some real PATRIOTS looking out for you... why not call/email/write the White House and let BOB (or an intern) know how you feel about the govt shut down? Are you a govt employee?


No, I'm a healthcare employee. I've emailed Rand Paul and Mitch McConnell numerous times and I get the standard form email "I'm super smart and I know everything.... now be quiet citizen!"
 
2013-09-30 08:48:56 AM

badhatharry: THE TEA PARTY IS NOT THREATENING SHUT DOWN! THEY DON'T WANT A SHUTDOWN! THEY WANT TO NEGOTIATE!

THE DEMOCRATS WANT THE SHUT DOWN! THEY REFUSE TO NEGOTIATE!


I can't take it anymore


What are they willing to give up in the negotiations?  If they don't want a shut down, preventing one is not a negotiation sacrifice.

Your statement is contradictory if you can't name something they want that they are willing to sacrifice.

If the only thing they are offering is to fund the government then that must mean they don't want to fund the government and want the shutdown.
 
2013-09-30 08:48:56 AM

EyeballKid: Phineas: Anything that creates Democrat butthurt is OK with me.

^^^^^^^^ Hey, look everybody, it's part of the problem!!!!  ^^^^^^^^^


If the problem is 'refusing to compromise with Socialists'  then yes, I am part of the problem.  If you're quiet, you can hear them singing...

Славься, Отечество наше свободное,
Дружбы народов надёжный оплот!
Партия Ленина - сила народная
Нас к торжеству Коммунизма ведёт
 
2013-09-30 08:49:49 AM
Okay guys, so I'm playing Civilization V and I just researched Obamacare.  Now all my cities are dying from sickness.  Help.
 
2013-09-30 08:50:00 AM

badhatharry: THE TEA PARTY IS NOT THREATENING SHUT DOWN! THEY DON'T WANT A SHUTDOWN! THEY WANT TO NEGOTIATE!

THE DEMOCRATS WANT THE SHUT DOWN! THEY REFUSE TO NEGOTIATE!


I can't take it anymore

How will Putin bail Obama out of this red line?

 
2013-09-30 08:50:02 AM
Point of clarification, our military get "paid," but if this is like the shutdown in the Clinton years, the people who actually do the processing are civis, considered non-essential, so there's nobody there to process/approve the paychecks.
 
2013-09-30 08:50:44 AM

Phineas: Anything that creates Democrat butthurt is OK with me.


STICKING IT TO THE LIBSSince 1980, the ONLY thing that matters.

 
2013-09-30 08:51:32 AM
Damn.  Format-pwned.
 
2013-09-30 08:51:36 AM

DrSansabeltNoShiatSlacks: Dems want shutdown. GOP wants shutdown. It's a win-win.


Free paid vacation!
 
2013-09-30 08:51:39 AM

badhatharry: THE TEA PARTY IS NOT THREATENING SHUT DOWN! THEY DON'T WANT A SHUTDOWN! THEY WANT TO NEGOTIATE!

THE DEMOCRATS WANT THE SHUT DOWN! THEY REFUSE TO NEGOTIATE!


I can't take it anymore


There's nothing to negotiate.
 
2013-09-30 08:52:14 AM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: I've resigned myself to the understanding that a significant fraction of the House see Mad Max II: Beyond Thunderdome as an acceptable alternative to a successful and working health care system.


Whereas the rest of us are starting to think that Mad Max II: Beyond Thunderdome may be a viable alternative to Congress.
 
2013-09-30 08:54:04 AM
Teahadists: "The ACA is such a failure that we must stop it before it starts!!!!"

You lost. Your lobbyist corporate cronies lost. Stfu.
 
2013-09-30 08:54:06 AM
The whole point of trying to force House Republicans to approve the Senate-approved bill in the first place was so the Democrats could blame them for the economic consequences of the debt ceiling increase. They expected to be able to force the teabaggers to back down, only for the teabaggers to reply, "No. YOU move."

/this is what government looks like when a third party with enough political power to challenge the other two develops
//FARK independents should have been more careful what they wished for
 
2013-09-30 08:54:21 AM
Shiat, let's just disband the entire government and try anarchy for awhile.

/makes as much sense as what's actually going on now
 
2013-09-30 08:55:12 AM

Phineas: EyeballKid: Phineas: Anything that creates Democrat butthurt is OK with me.

^^^^^^^^ Hey, look everybody, it's part of the problem!!!!  ^^^^^^^^^

If the problem is 'refusing to compromise with Socialists'  then yes, I am part of the problem.  If you're quiet, you can hear them singing...

Славься, Отечество наше свободное,
Дружбы народов надёжный оплот!
Партия Ленина - сила народная
Нас к торжеству Коммунизма ведёт


Communism and Socialism are not always mutually exclusive

Communism is an extreme leftist ideology based upon authoritarian principles of newspeak and human reprogramming. Socialism has a large spectrum that encompasses far more than that. Most Socialists are Democratic Socialists; they are people who like the ballot box and like having human rights.

Yes, Communists did bad shiat in the name of Socialism. Also, Tim McVeigh killed children in the name of God. So I guess that means that everyone who worships God likes killing children, too.
 
2013-09-30 08:55:51 AM

Mike_LowELL: Okay guys, so I'm playing Civilization V and I just researched Obamacare.  Now all my cities are dying from sickness.  Help.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-09-30 08:56:28 AM

Aristocles: ransack.: Turfshoe: Is this the Breaking Bad thread?

I DIDN'T WATCH IT YET SILENCE

Holy crap, dude or dudette! You need to watch it immediately or isolate yourself.

Even Ann Coulter was singing praise for Breaking Bad on twitter last night... and if someone like Ann Coulter is talking about popculture, you know everyone and their mothers are too!


I'm on Season 1, episode 3.

The road has not been easy.
 
2013-09-30 08:57:08 AM
So this is when the when the Tea Party blows up the death star by shooting itself in the head?
 
2013-09-30 08:57:10 AM

born_yesterday: Right now, I don't know. There is no way the House bill passes. Which means they have to vote on the Senate version. I would have thought this was likely, until the House voted against the first Senate bill so decisively.


The only rational course of action is for Boehner and the non-extremist part of his party along with the Democrats in the House to pass a clean CR -- you know, the way things have always been done in the past when a small rump of extremists wasn't holding the entire country hostage to achieve a goal they couldn't achieve through democratic means.

And yes, I do realize how laughably improbable that is.
 
2013-09-30 08:57:16 AM

A Terrible Human: Thunderpipes: Going to be hilarious when the few Democrats who actually work get their new health care bills.

I say we let all the people making under 1 million a year die. Cut off all services,let the poors riot while the job creators are safe in their mansions with security guards. Then after that everything will be just fine.


Unless those security guards are getting paid $1M per year or more, I don't think you thought your plan all the way through...
=Smidge=
 
2013-09-30 08:58:06 AM

OlderGuy: Brick-House: phrawgh: I certainly hope it is not too early to blame Obama!

How can we blame BOB, all he's done is play golf.

He is not a leader, he doesn't like America, he is out to destroy America, and he is doing it..  Our only hope now is that true Americans like Ted Cruz and the Conservative Party are joined by fellow Americans who are fed up with the antics of the Old Guard ( both parties) and throw them out.  Dump Obamacare and Obama, freeze the debt limit, and stop the reckless spending.  The Sleeping Giant better get off it's ass and get it's priorities in order, and do what needs to be done... the time is NOW !  Use it or lose it..   If obamacare is enacted, we,re done.  the government will be sleeping in our beds at night, looting our bank accounts, fully dictating how we live.. We are swirling the drain, people... get off your ass and put in the plug !


But Ted Cruz is Canadian. We've seen his birth certificate.
 
2013-09-30 08:58:27 AM

Aristocles: QueenMamaBee: Aristocles: QueenMamaBee: Aristocles: QueenMamaBee: Aristocles: hammer85: I love these assholes toying with my livelihood.  Because we all know its not like government employees have bills to pay or anything.

You're gonna get paid retroactively... you do know this, right?

That doesn't pay the bills that are due during the shutdown... you do know that, right?

Well, maybe you should call your state representatives and BOB and tell them to pass the farking bill!

Thomas Massie can go fark himself.

Same for my Senate-asshats Rand Paul and Mitch McConnell.

It sounds like you've got some real PATRIOTS looking out for you... why not call/email/write the White House and let BOB (or an intern) know how you feel about the govt shut down? Are you a govt employee?

No, I'm a healthcare employee. I've emailed Rand Paul and Mitch McConnell numerous times and I get the standard form email "I'm super smart and I know everything.... now be quiet citizen!"

Ah.. so you don't mind the shut down so much, you just want Obamacare to proceed unscathed?


Can you tell me exactly HOW more people having insurance, meaning fewer people who are unable to pay their bills, can be BAD for my business?

I actually researched (*gasp*) costs for the ACA for a friend of mine who was biatching about it. He was recently laid off from the hospital I work in, and he'd actually pay LESS through the ACA than he paid for the crappy insurance plan we have here, and that was through the federal government. Now that I've looked at Ky's plans...it's an even better deal.

Again... how is healthcare a worse use of government money than the millions in "vote for me" money given by the federal government (tacked onto a bill by darling Thomas Massie) to my city for a farking boat-ramp renovation for a stage that is used once a year? I'd rather have people insured and cut out the other waste.
 
2013-09-30 08:58:45 AM

sprawl15: [i.imgur.com image 585x299]


On it.  I also moved the capital from Washington to Wasilla to be safe.  Can't take any chances here.
 
2013-09-30 08:59:22 AM
Trying to read comments anywhere this morning, (not just Fark), without running into a BB spoiler, is like riding a unicycle through a minefield blindfolded.

/Bet the assholes are all Democrats.

//Why does Fark show as mispelled?
 
2013-09-30 08:59:32 AM

Leader O'Cola: What is the most stupid and painful possible outcome?  That is what we will do.

Markets overseas already seem to be pricing it in.  TP voters will rejoice, as their 401k's plummet (yeh, most of them don't have 401ks to begin with. They learned from their hero Rand to live off SS anyways)


I'm totally against a shutdown.

But I have set up stock alerts for when my favorite picks come tumbling down. I shall buy everything.
 
2013-09-30 09:00:10 AM

FC Exile: Trying to read comments anywhere this morning, (not just Fark), without running into a BB spoiler, is like riding a unicycle through a minefield blindfolded.

/Bet the assholes are all Democrats.

//Why does Fark show as mispelled?


It was his sled.
 
2013-09-30 09:02:30 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Monkeyhouse Zendo: You're going to love the packs of desperate retirees roaming the streets in search of food and Geritol when their Social Security check doesn't get paid.

SS checks still get cut. That's not part of what get shut down.


I know, I was mostly responding to the "government doesn't do anything" comment. There's a dark and hungry part of my that longs to see the government fully shut down for a month or two if only to give everyone a firmer grasp of what our government actually does.
 
2013-09-30 09:02:53 AM

derpy: I'm really just posting to say that I was here.

also:This video is the best explanation I've yet seen of what Obamacare is and what it does and how it affects you.


This should be required watching.
 
2013-09-30 09:04:26 AM

Publikwerks: sprawl15: ransack.: Turfshoe: Is this the Breaking Bad thread?

I DIDN'T WATCH IT YET SILENCE

METH NAZIS KILL DUMBLEDORE

[cdn7.nflximg.net image 284x405]


My Friend's sister is in that movie.  True story.
 
2013-09-30 09:04:54 AM

Publikwerks: This is such a bad move by the GOP. There is no way the Senate even looks at the House bill, and polls show that people are going to blame the GOP for the shutdown. And a majority of Americans are ambivalent about the ACA. So if they win, they don't win anything from moderates. And if they force the shutdown, they lose big.

Meanwhile, Democrats can just sit back and watch. They have passed a clean CR, so they can say "we've done our part" and walk away. They win if the House caves, they win if the House doesn't cave.

Matter of fact, the longer and more painful the shutdown is, the better it is for the Democrats. All they have to do is turn their DVR's on and record everything for next fall.


You are wrong.   The People know who is pushing this.. Obamacare is a disaster, the worst is yet to come.. all know it, many won't admit it.. Obama and the Old Guard don't care.. they got theirs already, now they want to take what little we have.. It is plain for all to see who is pushing this.. if you think 2010 was a wakeup, wait for 2014 and 2016...  if you want to keep America, we better clean house !  The Establishment is old and corrupt, only interested in furthering their cause at our expense.. it,s time to retire the 'good ol' boys'...  take off the blinders and look around.. we have regulated ourselves out of what made this country great..  everybody used to buy Quality from us.. now we buy Crap from them... One entity is causing this, plus all of their followers who don't want to give up the free stuff...

i.imgur.com

And if you deny this, you are blind and stupid...   Please wake up.....
 
2013-09-30 09:05:52 AM

cameroncrazy1984: FC Exile: Trying to read comments anywhere this morning, (not just Fark), without running into a BB spoiler, is like riding a unicycle through a minefield blindfolded.

/Bet the assholes are all Democrats.

//Why does Fark show as mispelled?

It was his sled.


Get over here and clean this coffee off my monitor.
 
2013-09-30 09:07:17 AM
I lived in the US for the first 36 years of my life. I had sh**ty BC/BS insurance through my employer for a while, then had to shell out of pocket for sh**ty BC/BS on my own. The coverage was horrible, but was all I could afford. Then I moved to Canada. Yes, the taxes are high- about the same as anywhere in the Northeastern US. The difference is that when I had to take my son to the ER last week, where he was admitted for emergency surgery, I gave the intake desk his health card. That's it.
 
2013-09-30 09:07:21 AM

czetie: born_yesterday: Right now, I don't know. There is no way the House bill passes. Which means they have to vote on the Senate version. I would have thought this was likely, until the House voted against the first Senate bill so decisively.

The only rational course of action is for Boehner and the non-extremist part of his party along with the Democrats in the House to pass a clean CR -- you know, the way things have always been done in the past when a small rump of extremists wasn't holding the entire country hostage to achieve a goal they couldn't achieve through democratic means.

And yes, I do realize how laughably improbable that is.


Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the House throw some anti-abortion proposal into the CR?  I seem to recall reading about that.  If so, it's pretty clear that their version was disingenuous at best.

If Boener couldn't get them to vote for the first clean CR, I'm not sure what's changed (other than the waning time before a shutdown).

Again, according to The Hill, the extremists in the House reportedly have no fear of a shutdown, convinced they'll be seen as patriotic defenders of AmericanFreedomBootstraps.  Considering their constituency, they're correct.  In addition, unlike previous shut downs, there are reportedly few, if any, negotiations going on behind the scenes.

So yeah; it's passing a clean CR or a shut down.
 
2013-09-30 09:07:47 AM

OlderGuy: if you think 2010 was a wakeup, wait for 2014 and 2016


Why did you skip over 2012?
 
2013-09-30 09:08:06 AM

OlderGuy: if you want to keep America, we better clean house


Were you planning on starting with the Mexicans or did you want to stick with tradition and start with the Jews and homosexuals?
 
2013-09-30 09:08:28 AM

OlderGuy: Publikwerks: This is such a bad move by the GOP. There is no way the Senate even looks at the House bill, and polls show that people are going to blame the GOP for the shutdown. And a majority of Americans are ambivalent about the ACA. So if they win, they don't win anything from moderates. And if they force the shutdown, they lose big.

Meanwhile, Democrats can just sit back and watch. They have passed a clean CR, so they can say "we've done our part" and walk away. They win if the House caves, they win if the House doesn't cave.

Matter of fact, the longer and more painful the shutdown is, the better it is for the Democrats. All they have to do is turn their DVR's on and record everything for next fall.

You are wrong.   The People know who is pushing this.. Obamacare is a disaster, the worst is yet to come.. all know it, many won't admit it.. Obama and the Old Guard don't care.. they got theirs already, now they want to take what little we have.. It is plain for all to see who is pushing this.. if you think 2010 was a wakeup, wait for 2014 and 2016...  if you want to keep America, we better clean house !  The Establishment is old and corrupt, only interested in furthering their cause at our expense.. it,s time to retire the 'good ol' boys'...  take off the blinders and look around.. we have regulated ourselves out of what made this country great..  everybody used to buy Quality from us.. now we buy Crap from them... One entity is causing this, plus all of their followers who don't want to give up the free stuff...

[i.imgur.com image 432x324]

And if you deny this, you are blind and stupid...   Please wake up.....


Hear Hear!
 
2013-09-30 09:10:28 AM

Bontesla: Leader O'Cola: What is the most stupid and painful possible outcome?  That is what we will do.

Markets overseas already seem to be pricing it in.  TP voters will rejoice, as their 401k's plummet (yeh, most of them don't have 401ks to begin with. They learned from their hero Rand to live off SS anyways)

I'm totally against a shutdown.

But I have set up stock alerts for when my favorite picks come tumbling down. I shall buy everything.


No shorts? I have Wal-Mart shorted as a test. If I can make a fair grip of cash, I use real money next time shutdown is threatened.

/a little late learning, yes, but if it happens again in 20 years, at least I'll know how to make a buck off the lunacy
 
2013-09-30 09:11:41 AM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: OlderGuy: if you want to keep America, we better clean house

Were you planning on starting with the Mexicans or did you want to stick with tradition and start with the Jews and homosexuals?


You left out the gypsies.
 
2013-09-30 09:12:27 AM

netcentric: "The budget process has completely broken down in recent years.  The two people most responsible for that breakdown are President Obama and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid.
Reid and the Democrats knew very well that the federal deficit was spiraling out of control..."

There isn't enough money to go around for all the Democrats tax and spend programs.

Time to shut things down for a while, till Harry Reid can decide how to begin paying for some things.


(I feel bad for you if you are a 20someting and part of generation debt)


i213.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-30 09:13:27 AM
Fortunately, demographics is biting the GOP hard in the ass and will continue to do so.  Every election cycle more of their core supporters die or become incapable of voting while more people who grew up under George Bush become eligible to vote.
 
2013-09-30 09:13:33 AM

Thunderpipes: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Thunderpipes (favorite: ITG Editor in Chief): Going to be hilarious when the few Democrats who actually work get their new health care bills.

We'll just raise taxes on the job creators and give all the unemployed Democrats a subsidy.

Yup, has worked wonders everywhere it has been done. Hi Detroit, how ya doing? Hi CA, how is your pension shortfall looking, oh, billions and billions of dollars underfunded? Awesome. Solyndra, the company that will save us, how you been? Minorities, thank goodness your employment numbers have jumped way up huh? Bang up Job, Bam Bam.


we get it... he's Black.
 
2013-09-30 09:13:43 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-09-30 09:14:42 AM

derpy: I'm really just posting to say that I was here.

also:This video is the best explanation I've yet seen of what Obamacare is and what it does and how it affects you.


that was excellent. thanks.
 
2013-09-30 09:15:25 AM
It's not negotiation unless both sides want opposite things. The Democrats want to avoid hurting the economy, so they want to raise the debt ceiling. If the Republicans think that's negotiable, then they want to harm the American economy. If that's what they want, who wants to give them anything?
 
2013-09-30 09:15:57 AM

badhatharry: Publikwerks: badhatharry: Publikwerks: badhatharry: THE TEA PARTY IS NOT THREATENING SHUT DOWN! THEY DON'T WANT A SHUTDOWN! THEY WANT TO NEGOTIATE!

THE DEMOCRATS WANT THE SHUT DOWN! THEY REFUSE TO NEGOTIATE!


I can't take it anymore

Defunding/postponing the ACA is a higher priority to them, otherwise, the house would have passed a clean funding bill like the Senate did. It is their fault.

That is what they were elected to do. The Senate has to negotiate with them. The Senate is saying we don't like it so you get nothing.

Well, no, they don't. Since polls show most people are gonna blame the GOP, there is little reason to negotiate. The ACA is a lost cause. It's in effect, and is not going anywhere.

That is exactly why there will be a shutdown. The democrats would actually like a delay but they know the republicans will get blamed for the shutdown. That is why they are pushing for a shutdown.


This is America. We do not negotiate with terrorists.
 
2013-09-30 09:16:04 AM

MarshWoman: I lived in the US for the first 36 years of my life. I had sh**ty BC/BS insurance through my employer for a while, then had to shell out of pocket for sh**ty BC/BS on my own. The coverage was horrible, but was all I could afford. Then I moved to Canada. Yes, the taxes are high- about the same as anywhere in the Northeastern US. The difference is that when I had to take my son to the ER last week, where he was admitted for emergency surgery, I gave the intake desk his health card. That's it.


I was working with some Canadians during the whole debate. They were conservatives and they said they would never give up their health care system. They mentioned that we missed out on a chance to have universal healthcare.
 
2013-09-30 09:16:12 AM
I think it's interesting that some people are up in arms because The House is using a parlimentary trick (defunding) to try to stop a law that was passed using a parlimentary trick (reconciliation).

I, personally, feel that any law passed using underhanded tactics is fair game to be struck down using similar tactics.
 
2013-09-30 09:17:03 AM

OlderGuy: Publikwerks: This is such a bad move by the GOP. There is no way the Senate even looks at the House bill, and polls show that people are going to blame the GOP for the shutdown. And a majority of Americans are ambivalent about the ACA. So if they win, they don't win anything from moderates. And if they force the shutdown, they lose big.

Meanwhile, Democrats can just sit back and watch. They have passed a clean CR, so they can say "we've done our part" and walk away. They win if the House caves, they win if the House doesn't cave.

Matter of fact, the longer and more painful the shutdown is, the better it is for the Democrats. All they have to do is turn their DVR's on and record everything for next fall.

You are wrong.   The People know who is pushing this.. Obamacare is a disaster, the worst is yet to come.. all know it, many won't admit it.. Obama and the Old Guard don't care.. they got theirs already, now they want to take what little we have.. It is plain for all to see who is pushing this.. if you think 2010 was a wakeup, wait for 2014 and 2016...  if you want to keep America, we better clean house !  The Establishment is old and corrupt, only interested in furthering their cause at our expense.. it,s time to retire the 'good ol' boys'...  take off the blinders and look around.. we have regulated ourselves out of what made this country great..  everybody used to buy Quality from us.. now we buy Crap from them... One entity is causing this, plus all of their followers who don't want to give up the free stuff...

[i.imgur.com image 432x324]

And if you deny this, you are blind and stupid...   Please wake up.....


Now who can argue with that? I think we're all indebted to OlderGuy Johnson for clearly stating what needed to be said. I'm particulary glad that these lovely children were here today to hear that speech. Not only was it authentic frontier gibberish, it expressed a courage little seen in this day and age.
 
2013-09-30 09:17:40 AM

DeaH: It's not negotiation unless both sides want opposite things. The Democrats want to avoid hurting the economy, so they want to raise the debt ceiling. If the Republicans think that's negotiable, then they want to harm the American economy. If that's what they want, who wants to give them anything?


They don't believe it will hurt the economy
 
2013-09-30 09:18:17 AM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: My prediction is that this is all over by Wednesday, the GOP caves in after immense pressure from their major campaign donors, and everything goes back to "normal" until the debt ceiling battle on Oct 17th.


I'm not entirely convinced. The Teahadists have demonstrated that they're true believers. Have you tried reasoning with a religious fanatic?

The moderates are already backing away from the cliff but they're not significantly important without the numbers added by the Teahadists. We need both groups to be reasonable. Wall Street has had difficulty applying pressure to the Teahadists.

We'll either shut down now or postpone it to shutdown over the debt ceiling but a shut down seems pretty inevitable.

Then we'll see a change in the Republican party as members start pointing fingers and accusing one another of supporting the unpopular shutdown.
 
2013-09-30 09:21:24 AM
badhatharry, and those that think like him are what's wrong with the United States.

Stupid, angry, misinformed, loud...
 
2013-09-30 09:21:42 AM
Oblio13:
Why does everyone seem to think that a few days without a huge, intrusive bureaucracy would be the end of the world?
The government shutting down "non-essential services" is like unemployed people going on strike. Most "non-essential services" are things it shouldn't be doing in the first place.
Our leaders are alarming us so that we'll put pressure on their political opponents. Instead of being their frightened dupes, we should be telling them to make these cuts permanent.



The end of the world? no

 "Non-essential" personnel still do have on-going essential needs (food, electricity) - it also means for some areas, "essential personnel" just do more work - or it doesn't get done.

  Or military - sure, they'll get paid, retroactively - I've no doubt most 20-30-somethings with wives and small children have saved enough cash to live on while Boehner et al play chicken on the hill.

But, I'd really rather not have to add another 2 Billion onto the tab - that is generally what shutting down will cost. But, hey? It's only money, right? Fiscal Conservatives do what?
 
2013-09-30 09:23:26 AM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: I've resigned myself to the understanding that a significant fraction of the House see Mad Max II: Beyond Thunderdome as an acceptable alternative to a successful and working health care system.


A successful and working healthcare system is an option on the table? Since when?
 
2013-09-30 09:24:24 AM

netcentric: "The budget process has completely broken down in recent years.  The two people most responsible for that breakdown are President Obama and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid.
Reid and the Democrats knew very well that the federal deficit was spiraling out of control..."

There isn't enough money to go around for all the Democrats tax and spend programs.

Time to shut things down for a while, till Harry Reid can decide how to begin paying for some things.


(I feel bad for you if you are a 20someting and part of generation debt)


Would you like to post some charts forecasting our future deficits and how much money we've already saved through programs like Obamacare?
 
2013-09-30 09:31:20 AM

OlderGuy: Publikwerks: This is such a bad move by the GOP. There is no way the Senate even looks at the House bill, and polls show that people are going to blame the GOP for the shutdown. And a majority of Americans are ambivalent about the ACA. So if they win, they don't win anything from moderates. And if they force the shutdown, they lose big.

Meanwhile, Democrats can just sit back and watch. They have passed a clean CR, so they can say "we've done our part" and walk away. They win if the House caves, they win if the House doesn't cave.

Matter of fact, the longer and more painful the shutdown is, the better it is for the Democrats. All they have to do is turn their DVR's on and record everything for next fall.

You are wrong.   The People know who is pushing this.. Obamacare is a disaster, the worst is yet to come.. all know it, many won't admit it.. Obama and the Old Guard don't care.. they got theirs already, now they want to take what little we have.. It is plain for all to see who is pushing this.. if you think 2010 was a wakeup, wait for 2014 and 2016...  if you want to keep America, we better clean house !  The Establishment is old and corrupt, only interested in furthering their cause at our expense.. it,s time to retire the 'good ol' boys'...  take off the blinders and look around.. we have regulated ourselves out of what made this country great..  everybody used to buy Quality from us.. now we buy Crap from them... One entity is causing this, plus all of their followers who don't want to give up the free stuff...

[i.imgur.com image 432x324]

And if you deny this, you are blind and stupid...   Please wake up.....


you may want to sit down for this...

stop reading here if you have heart trouble please...

seriously.

we do not live in the 1950s any more.
let that sink in for a minute.
.
.
.
ok, got it?
Our economy has gone from product to service based. Thank the job creators for jumping ship and building plants overseas where they can pay slave wages in horrific conditions to make products as cheaply as possible.
 
2013-09-30 09:33:00 AM

INeedAName: We are so boned.



Why?   Government has shutdown before and life went on.   Sequestration certainly has not resulted in the apocalypse many predicted neither will this.  The shores will still be defended, mail delivered, Social Security and MEDICARE will function, bad guys still arrested, government surveillance will  still function etc.

We should see this as an opportunity.  Only essential government workers/services  will continue and that gives us a starting point for our budget and where to cut.

In the past agencies like the Social Security Administration deemed about 10% of their people "essential". Out of  a current total of 60,000 that is 6,000.  While they might need more than 6000 for normal operations  I bet they could get by with significantly less than 60,000 (equal to about 6 Army light infantry divisions to give the number some perspective).

There are a lot of clerks, assorted bureaucrats (under and assistant Secretaries of Defense, Army, Navy , Air Force and their staffs) and many Flag grade officers that we could do without and that would have no negative impact on national security.

Will the Senate barber shop be open or shut down?  How about the House Restaurant?

How about the 89th Air Force Wing that supplies aircraft for congressional  "fact finding' travel?

While food inspections are essential do we really need a national raisin reserve?

The IG of the The Denali Commission "which seeks to promote rural development, power generation and other infrastructure needs" recommended his agency , along with his job, no loner be funded.   There are many more like it that nee to disappear from the Federal budget.


As a starting point we could say all Federal Government employees deemed  "non-essential"  during the shutdown and who are eligible for retirement  must retire and we freeze hiring for non-essential positions


The Federal Government does not need more money
 
2013-09-30 09:33:13 AM

FC Exile: OlderGuy: Publikwerks: This is such a bad move by the GOP. There is no way the Senate even looks at the House bill, and polls show that people are going to blame the GOP for the shutdown. And a majority of Americans are ambivalent about the ACA. So if they win, they don't win anything from moderates. And if they force the shutdown, they lose big.

Meanwhile, Democrats can just sit back and watch. They have passed a clean CR, so they can say "we've done our part" and walk away. They win if the House caves, they win if the House doesn't cave.

Matter of fact, the longer and more painful the shutdown is, the better it is for the Democrats. All they have to do is turn their DVR's on and record everything for next fall.

You are wrong.   The People know who is pushing this.. Obamacare is a disaster, the worst is yet to come.. all know it, many won't admit it.. Obama and the Old Guard don't care.. they got theirs already, now they want to take what little we have.. It is plain for all to see who is pushing this.. if you think 2010 was a wakeup, wait for 2014 and 2016...  if you want to keep America, we better clean house !  The Establishment is old and corrupt, only interested in furthering their cause at our expense.. it,s time to retire the 'good ol' boys'...  take off the blinders and look around.. we have regulated ourselves out of what made this country great..  everybody used to buy Quality from us.. now we buy Crap from them... One entity is causing this, plus all of their followers who don't want to give up the free stuff...

[i.imgur.com image 432x324]

And if you deny this, you are blind and stupid...   Please wake up.....

Hear Hear!


you spelled "Huzzah" wrong.
 
2013-09-30 09:34:56 AM

Oblio13: Why does everyone seem to think that a few days without a huge, intrusive bureaucracy would be the end of the world?

The government shutting down "non-essential services" is like unemployed people going on strike. Most "non-essential services" are things it shouldn't be doing in the first place. 

Our leaders are alarming us so that we'll put pressure on their political opponents. Instead of being their frightened dupes, we should be telling them to make these cuts permanent.


Yeah. F*ck repairing the roads in Colorado before winter sets in. And who needs the EPA to monitor the contamination as the result of the recent flooding?
 
2013-09-30 09:35:12 AM
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2013-09-30 09:35:53 AM

Thunderpipes: Publikwerks: This is such a bad move by the GOP. There is no way the Senate even looks at the House bill, and polls show that people are going to blame the GOP for the shutdown. And a majority of Americans are ambivalent about the ACA. So if they win, they don't win anything from moderates. And if they force the shutdown, they lose big.

Meanwhile, Democrats can just sit back and watch. They have passed a clean CR, so they can say "we've done our part" and walk away. They win if the House caves, they win if the House doesn't cave.

Matter of fact, the longer and more painful the shutdown is, the better it is for the Democrats. All they have to do is turn their DVR's on and record everything for next fall.

No, majority of Americans do not like Obamacare. Majority of businesses do not either. Only welfare bums and hard core left wing crazies think it will be anything but a disaster. Even the unions don't like it now. Obama is trying to get them a 200 billion dollar subsidy just for them. It will not work.


Here's a poll by the national review
http://www.nationalreview.com/agenda/354173/new-aca-poll-reihan-sala m
 - they put the "repeal" population at 42%. Not a majority. And they point out that those 42% are solid GOPers. Your not winning the middle by fighting the ACA because you never made a good case why it's bad, and how you would fix the system.

Maybe you can fix it, work with the other side on some of the issues you don't like, but blanket opposition will get you nothing.
 
2013-09-30 09:36:21 AM
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2013-09-30 09:36:40 AM

Ned Stark: Monkeyhouse Zendo: I've resigned myself to the understanding that a significant fraction of the House see Mad Max II: Beyond Thunderdome as an acceptable alternative to a successful and working health care system.

A successful and working healthcare system is an option on the table? Since when?


-12/10
 
2013-09-30 09:37:25 AM
Man the trolls are out this morning.
 
2013-09-30 09:37:54 AM
Whoever wins, we lose.
 
2013-09-30 09:37:57 AM

hasty ambush: While food inspections are essential do we really need a national raisin reserve?


really do we need raisins at all they are pretty gross i mean i know i dont want any mr obama stop making me pay for them
 
2013-09-30 09:38:13 AM

there their theyre: Man the trolls are out this morning.


they are not even trying either... just kind of phoning it in.
 
2013-09-30 09:39:03 AM

hasty ambush: Social Security and MEDICARE will function


So it will actually fix things??

/sorry...
 
2013-09-30 09:39:23 AM

born_yesterday: GoodyearPimp: I expect a shutdown.  We govern by fear and crisis.  Next week the R's will get a few concessions and a brand new crisis will get baked in by only funding the government until right before next year's elections.

I expected a CR with the ACA language stripped, and for the fight to be taken to the debt limit debate (really?  We're debating that again?).  However, House Republicans are adamant that any passage that includes the ACA funding is unacceptable, and to vote for it is to capitulate to the libbiest lib that ever soshalizmed.

Right now, I don't know.  There is no way the House bill passes.  Which means they have to vote on the Senate version.  I would have thought this was likely, until the House voted against the first Senate bill so decisively.


Well, consider that the Debt Ceiling fight is scheduled for mid-October. If we shut down now - what leverage will Republicans have later?

That's the issue that some of the Senate and House Republicans are trying to explain to the more fanatic members.
 
2013-09-30 09:40:10 AM

antidisestablishmentarianism: MarshWoman: I lived in the US for the first 36 years of my life. I had sh**ty BC/BS insurance through my employer for a while, then had to shell out of pocket for sh**ty BC/BS on my own. The coverage was horrible, but was all I could afford. Then I moved to Canada. Yes, the taxes are high- about the same as anywhere in the Northeastern US. The difference is that when I had to take my son to the ER last week, where he was admitted for emergency surgery, I gave the intake desk his health card. That's it.

I was working with some Canadians during the whole debate. They were conservatives and they said they would never give up their health care system. They mentioned that we missed out on a chance to have universal healthcare.


My Dad, who lives in NJ and reads every piece of crazy the teabaggers put out, actually tried to argue with me when the US healthcare plan was first being voted on. He kept telling me how horrible Canada's healthcare system was and how horrible the tax rates were (about the same as NJ), and how people in Canada were dying left and right because they had crappy healthcare, or were being denied life-saving procedures. I was stunned. I kept saying, "No, it's not like that." He kept insisting that it was and I had been brainwashed by the socialists.

This is the rank and file of the teaparty. Their "leaders" could cause the collapse of US society, and they would scurry to Faux news to be assured that it was all the fault of the brown man.
 
2013-09-30 09:40:56 AM

zeroman987: QueenMamaBee: Aristocles: hammer85: I love these assholes toying with my livelihood.  Because we all know its not like government employees have bills to pay or anything.

You're gonna get paid retroactively... you do know this, right?

That doesn't pay the bills that are due during the shutdown... you do know that, right?

Actually, if you aren't essential, as about 900,000 people are categorized, you don't get back pay unless it is approved by congress. So, through no fault of their own, 900,000 gov't employees don't get paid because 20 potatoes want to privatize medicare and give another handout to their petrol buddies.

I am someone who should be the bread and butter for the republican party. I am very cautious when it comes to change and want to make sure any change to the status quo is well reasoned and debated to ensure its the right course; basically I am a conservate. However, I will never ever vote for any person with an (R) next to their name. They blew it. Anyone who votes for Republicans is not a conservative, at this point the republican party is filled with Fundys waiting for the apocalypse, the uber rich, and the unimformed.


No R voted for Obamacare..  would you buy something sight unseen?   I don't think so.. yet " lets pass the bill first.. NOW.... then we will see what,s in it"  ...  well, now we are seeing what,s in it...  I don't think most Americans are jumping with joy.. and it will get worse, and it won't get better.. Those that want to save this country are not D or R, who are too busy following the guy with the 'O' flute..  Hopefully we will wake up... we are 16+ trillion in debt ( actual number more like 70 trillion), printing 85 billion a month of currency based on air..  and all bubbles burst, in the end... our 'burst' will affect the world....  and the concussion will take us out... if that is what you want, keep on dickin' the chickin..... won't affect me much, but I feel bad for my nieces and nephews and those with families....  they will get to see the 'American Dream' turn into the 'North American Nightmare'....   think about it.......
 
2013-09-30 09:41:45 AM

cman: Ok, wise guy, where is your proof?

Now, I aint talking about linking me to some shiatty blog, twitter, or an Alex Jones like site. Reputable sources.

Until you have proof you are only speculating and attempting to pass it off as facts


You want proof that the democrats are the ones that want a government shutdown?

The Republicans are scared of a government shutdown. It will kill their chances of winning the next round of elections because everyone knows they will get blamed for it. The Democrats are salivating at the prospect of a government shutdown.

You think the Democrats care if ACA is delayed. It's not ready to go online. It's going to be a giant clusterfark. They have already delayed a bunch of parts of it. They want to delay it.
 
2013-09-30 09:43:04 AM

hasty ambush: INeedAName: We are so boned.


Why?   Government has shutdown before and life went on.   Sequestration certainly has not resulted in the apocalypse many predicted neither will this.  The shores will still be defended, mail delivered, Social Security and MEDICARE will function, bad guys still arrested, government surveillance will  still function etc.

We should see this as an opportunity.  Only essential government workers/services  will continue and that gives us a starting point for our budget and where to cut.

In the past agencies like the Social Security Administration deemed about 10% of their people "essential". Out of  a current total of 60,000 that is 6,000.  While they might need more than 6000 for normal operations  I bet they could get by with significantly less than 60,000 (equal to about 6 Army light infantry divisions to give the number some perspective).

There are a lot of clerks, assorted bureaucrats (under and assistant Secretaries of Defense, Army, Navy , Air Force and their staffs) and many Flag grade officers that we could do without and that would have no negative impact on national security.

Will the Senate barber shop be open or shut down?  How about the House Restaurant?

How about the 89th Air Force Wing that supplies aircraft for congressional  "fact finding' travel?

While food inspections are essential do we really need a national raisin reserve?

The IG of the The Denali Commission "which seeks to promote rural development, power generation and other infrastructure needs" recommended his agency , along with his job, no loner be funded.   There are many more like it that nee to disappear from the Federal budget.


As a starting point we could say all Federal Government employees deemed  "non-essential"  during the shutdown and who are eligible for retirement  must retire and we freeze hiring for non-essential positions


The Federal Government does not need more money


Have you ever tried to deal with social security? If anything they need more people. Here's a fun exercise, call your social security office on the phone right now. If you get put on hold for less than 30 min, come back here and tell me they can cut staff. My experience was being put on hold for 30-40 min, then the line would hang up. No one ever spoke to me.
 
2013-09-30 09:43:30 AM
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www.trbimg.com
 
2013-09-30 09:43:53 AM

OlderGuy: zeroman987: QueenMamaBee: Aristocles: hammer85: I love these assholes toying with my livelihood.  Because we all know its not like government employees have bills to pay or anything.

You're gonna get paid retroactively... you do know this, right?

That doesn't pay the bills that are due during the shutdown... you do know that, right?

Actually, if you aren't essential, as about 900,000 people are categorized, you don't get back pay unless it is approved by congress. So, through no fault of their own, 900,000 gov't employees don't get paid because 20 potatoes want to privatize medicare and give another handout to their petrol buddies.

I am someone who should be the bread and butter for the republican party. I am very cautious when it comes to change and want to make sure any change to the status quo is well reasoned and debated to ensure its the right course; basically I am a conservate. However, I will never ever vote for any person with an (R) next to their name. They blew it. Anyone who votes for Republicans is not a conservative, at this point the republican party is filled with Fundys waiting for the apocalypse, the uber rich, and the unimformed.

No R voted for Obamacare..  would you buy something sight unseen?   I don't think so.. yet " lets pass the bill first.. NOW.... then we will see what,s in it"  ...  well, now we are seeing what,s in it...  I don't think most Americans are jumping with joy.. and it will get worse, and it won't get better.. Those that want to save this country are not D or R, who are too busy following the guy with the 'O' flute..  Hopefully we will wake up... we are 16+ trillion in debt ( actual number more like 70 trillion), printing 85 billion a month of currency based on air..  and all bubbles burst, in the end... our 'burst' will affect the world....  and the concussion will take us out... if that is what you want, keep on dickin' the chickin..... won't affect me much, but I feel bad for my nieces and nephews and those with famili ...


You know, I did think about it...for quite a while, and I've decided:

That post was full of derp.
 
2013-09-30 09:45:09 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: there their theyre: Man the trolls are out this morning.

they are not even trying either... just kind of phoning it in.


To the contrary; I have no doubt they are trying to the best of their capabilities.
 
2013-09-30 09:46:40 AM

born_yesterday: HindiDiscoMonster: there their theyre: Man the trolls are out this morning.

they are not even trying either... just kind of phoning it in.

To the contrary; I have no doubt they are trying to the best of their capabilities.


you may have a point... but if that is the case, then it's just really sad. I remember a time on Fark when being a troll was a position of honor and integrity.... ok, well... maybe I wouldn't go that far, but there were standards.
 
2013-09-30 09:46:57 AM
Lets face it, Republicans cant legislate their way out of a wet paper bag.
 
2013-09-30 09:47:04 AM

Mike_LowELL: Okay guys, so I'm playing Civilization V and I just researched Obamacare.  Now all my cities are dying from sickness.  Help.


Mother of God.

That settles this issue for once and for all.

/ sarcastically said
 
2013-09-30 09:47:11 AM

sprawl15: OlderGuy: Publikwerks: This is such a bad move by the GOP. There is no way the Senate even looks at the House bill, and polls show that people are going to blame the GOP for the shutdown. And a majority of Americans are ambivalent about the ACA. So if they win, they don't win anything from moderates. And if they force the shutdown, they lose big.

Meanwhile, Democrats can just sit back and watch. They have passed a clean CR, so they can say "we've done our part" and walk away. They win if the House caves, they win if the House doesn't cave.

Matter of fact, the longer and more painful the shutdown is, the better it is for the Democrats. All they have to do is turn their DVR's on and record everything for next fall.

You are wrong.   The People know who is pushing this.. Obamacare is a disaster, the worst is yet to come.. all know it, many won't admit it.. Obama and the Old Guard don't care.. they got theirs already, now they want to take what little we have.. It is plain for all to see who is pushing this.. if you think 2010 was a wakeup, wait for 2014 and 2016...  if you want to keep America, we better clean house !  The Establishment is old and corrupt, only interested in furthering their cause at our expense.. it,s time to retire the 'good ol' boys'...  take off the blinders and look around.. we have regulated ourselves out of what made this country great..  everybody used to buy Quality from us.. now we buy Crap from them... One entity is causing this, plus all of their followers who don't want to give up the free stuff...

[i.imgur.com image 432x324]

And if you deny this, you are blind and stupid...   Please wake up.....

Now who can argue with that? I think we're all indebted to OlderGuy Johnson for clearly stating what needed to be said. I'm particulary glad that these lovely children were here today to hear that speech. Not only was it authentic frontier gibberish, it expressed a courage little seen in this day and age.


filmdope.com
Sprawl15 Johnson is right!
 
2013-09-30 09:47:53 AM

badhatharry: cman: Ok, wise guy, where is your proof?

Now, I aint talking about linking me to some shiatty blog, twitter, or an Alex Jones like site. Reputable sources.

Until you have proof you are only speculating and attempting to pass it off as facts

You want proof that the democrats are the ones that want a government shutdown?

The Republicans are scared of a government shutdown. It will kill their chances of winning the next round of elections because everyone knows they will get blamed for it. The Democrats are salivating at the prospect of a government shutdown.

You think the Democrats care if ACA is delayed. It's not ready to go online. It's going to be a giant clusterfark. They have already delayed a bunch of parts of it. They want to delay it.


proof |proof|
noun
1 evidence or argument establishing or helping to establish a fact or the truth of a statement: you will be asked to give proof of your identity | this is not a proof for the existence of God.
• Lawthe spoken or written evidence in a trial.
• the action or process of establishing the truth of a statement: it shifts the onus of proof in convictions from the police to the public.
• archaic a test or trial.
• a series of stages in the resolution of a mathematical or philosophical problem.
2 a trial print of something, in particular:
• Printinga trial impression of a page, taken from type or film and used for making corrections before final printing.
• a trial photographic print made for initial selection.
• each of a number of impressions from an engraved plate, esp. (in commercial printing) of a limited number before the ordinary issue is printed and before an inscription or signature is added.
• any of various preliminary impressions of coins struck as specimens.
3 the strength of distilled alcoholic liquor, relative to proof spirit taken as a standard of 100: [ in combination ] : powerful 132-proof rum.
adjective
1 able to withstand something damaging; resistant: the marine battle armor was proof against most weapons | [ in combination ] : the system comes with idiot-proof instructions.
2 [ attrib. ] denoting a trial impression of a page or printed work: a proof copy is sent up for checking.
verb [ with obj. ]
1 make (fabric) waterproof: (as adj.proofed) : the tent is made from proofed nylon.
2 make a proof of (a printed work, engraving, etc.): (as nounproofing) : proofing could be done on a low-cost printer.
• proofread (a text): a book about dinosaurs was being proofed by the publisher.
3 activate (yeast) by the addition of liquid.
• knead (dough) until light and smooth.
• [ no obj. ] (of dough) prove: shape into a baguette and let proof for a few minutes.
PHRASES
the proof of the pudding is in the eating proverb the real value of something can be judged only from practical experience or results and not from appearance or theory.
ORIGIN Middle English preve, from Old French proeve, from late Latin proba, from Latin probare 'to test, prove.' The change of vowel in late Middle English was due to the influence of prove. Current senses of the verb date from the late 19th cent.

None of what you told me satisfies any of these definitions
 
2013-09-30 09:47:56 AM

Aristocles: there their theyre: Man the trolls are out this morning.

I know dude, these trolls just can't admit that BOB and they're dem masters are holding America hostage.

Pass the bill, Harry!@


Who is Bob?

Their?  They're? There?
 
2013-09-30 09:49:17 AM
Given how amazingly clairvoyant the Fark Derp Spreaders have been to date, I'm somewhat comforted by their doom & gloom predictions.
 
2013-09-30 09:49:32 AM

Aristocles: ShuT
It
Down

/go't workers will get paid retroactively anyway
//Traffic this time of year realay sucks... get this d-bags off the roads!


I don't know if you've been educated yet, but most government workers will not receive retroactive pay, unless specifically approved by Congress.

Say what you will about congress, but we have one of the more productive governments in the world. Don't fark it up just because you're being an uninformed child.
 
2013-09-30 09:50:09 AM

JusticeandIndependence: Aristocles: there their theyre: Man the trolls are out this morning.

I know dude, these trolls just can't admit that BOB and they're dem masters are holding America hostage.

Pass the bill, Harry!@

Who is Bob?

Their?  They're? There?


Thaaar

/In honor of the past talk like a pirate day.
 
2013-09-30 09:51:11 AM
Why can't the Tea Party and other Republicans negotiate without a budget crisis? If they want to negotiate, why can't they do it like adults instead of threatening a shutdown of payment to various gov't agencies and creditors?

I guess that's the 17 trillion dollar question.
 
2013-09-30 09:51:35 AM

QueenMamaBee: Aristocles: QueenMamaBee: Aristocles: QueenMamaBee: Aristocles: QueenMamaBee: Aristocles: hammer85: I love these assholes toying with my livelihood.  Because we all know its not like government employees have bills to pay or anything.

You're gonna get paid retroactively... you do know this, right?

That doesn't pay the bills that are due during the shutdown... you do know that, right?

Well, maybe you should call your state representatives and BOB and tell them to pass the farking bill!

Thomas Massie can go fark himself.

Same for my Senate-asshats Rand Paul and Mitch McConnell.

It sounds like you've got some real PATRIOTS looking out for you... why not call/email/write the White House and let BOB (or an intern) know how you feel about the govt shut down? Are you a govt employee?

No, I'm a healthcare employee. I've emailed Rand Paul and Mitch McConnell numerous times and I get the standard form email "I'm super smart and I know everything.... now be quiet citizen!"

Ah.. so you don't mind the shut down so much, you just want Obamacare to proceed unscathed?

Can you tell me exactly HOW more people having insurance, meaning fewer people who are unable to pay their bills, can be BAD for my business?

I actually researched (*gasp*) costs for the ACA for a friend of mine who was biatching about it. He was recently laid off from the hospital I work in, and he'd actually pay LESS through the ACA than he paid for the crappy insurance plan we have here, and that was through the federal government. Now that I've looked at Ky's plans...it's an even better deal.

Again... how is healthcare a worse use of government money than the millions in "vote for me" money given by the federal government (tacked onto a bill by darling Thomas Massie) to my city for a farking boat-ramp renovation for a stage that is used once a year? I'd rather have people insured and cut out the other waste.


I've evaluated what I would pay for the same plan on the Georgia exchange. I'm pretty pissed at my employer and with Aetna. The exchange offers my exact plan for almost 100 dollars cheaper than what I'm currently paying.
 
2013-09-30 09:52:07 AM
 
2013-09-30 09:52:30 AM

Fubini: Aristocles: ShuT
It
Down

/go't workers will get paid retroactively anyway
//Traffic this time of year realay sucks... get this d-bags off the roads!

I don't know if you've been educated yet, but most government workers will not receive retroactive pay, unless specifically approved by Congress.

Say what you will about congress, but we have one of the more productive governments in the world. Don't fark it up just because you're being an uninformed child.


there is a good reason Congress is not named Progress
 
2013-09-30 09:53:36 AM

Katolu: trying to defund the ACA 50 times.


it was only 43, but it wasn't for lack of trying.
 
2013-09-30 09:54:47 AM

Peki: Bontesla: Leader O'Cola: What is the most stupid and painful possible outcome?  That is what we will do.

Markets overseas already seem to be pricing it in.  TP voters will rejoice, as their 401k's plummet (yeh, most of them don't have 401ks to begin with. They learned from their hero Rand to live off SS anyways)

I'm totally against a shutdown.

But I have set up stock alerts for when my favorite picks come tumbling down. I shall buy everything.

No shorts? I have Wal-Mart shorted as a test. If I can make a fair grip of cash, I use real money next time shutdown is threatened.

/a little late learning, yes, but if it happens again in 20 years, at least I'll know how to make a buck off the lunacy


Shorts, too.

I'm really hoping that IF we shut down - I can stock up on Tesla and Google.
 
2013-09-30 09:55:00 AM

cman: DeaH: It's not negotiation unless both sides want opposite things. The Democrats want to avoid hurting the economy, so they want to raise the debt ceiling. If the Republicans think that's negotiable, then they want to harm the American economy. If that's what they want, who wants to give them anything?

They don't believe it will hurt the economy


It certainly hurt the economy the last time they didn't automatically raise the debt ceiling. The Republicans, as a whole, just cannot be that stupid, but, if they really are, then the Democrats only response can be a demand for the mass resignation of all Republicans.
 
2013-09-30 09:55:39 AM
hasty ambush: We should see this as an opportunity.  Only essential government workers/services  will continue and that gives us a starting point for our budget and where to cut.


  As someone who was once deemed "essential personnel" with "non essential staff" let me disagree. Essential generally means "you have to stay during a crisis (ie a shutdown, a hurricane) and do your work with no support".

  Or - if this helps?  In the traditional nuclear family, Mom, Dad and two kids - only one parent is really essential.

  It really isn't the opportunity you might picture.
 
2013-09-30 09:56:34 AM

Uranus Is Huge!: Given how amazingly clairvoyant the Fark Derp Spreaders have been to date, I'm somewhat comforted by their doom & gloom predictions.


Using such verbose terms disregards the common educated person in their comprehension and enshrines oneself to neural entries of grand pomposity.
 
2013-09-30 09:58:15 AM
Senate's gonna table the motion at 2 PM Eastern, the House GOP will whargaarbl and the government will shut down at midnight.

I originally predicted 3-5 days of shutdown. I'm upping that now to 2-3 weeks. But the GOP will eventually cave and pass a 3-6 month clean CR.

The big problem is that the debt ceiling is going to come a-callin' before the shutdown's over.
 
2013-09-30 09:58:16 AM

cman: Uranus Is Huge!: Given how amazingly clairvoyant the Fark Derp Spreaders have been to date, I'm somewhat comforted by their doom & gloom predictions.

Using such verbose terms disregards the common educated person in their comprehension and enshrines oneself to neural entries of grand pomposity.


Somebody took a bong-hit!

Somebody took a bong-hit!
 
2013-09-30 09:59:27 AM

cman: Uranus Is Huge!: Given how amazingly clairvoyant the Fark Derp Spreaders have been to date, I'm somewhat comforted by their doom & gloom predictions.

Using such verbose terms disregards the common educated person in their comprehension and enshrines oneself to neural entries of grand pomposity.


Sorry. I forgot about your two-syllable limit. Was there a word you needed help with?
 
2013-09-30 10:00:00 AM
Serious question: Why haven't we stopped farking around and just started doing THIS?
/expulsion
 
2013-09-30 10:00:13 AM

born_yesterday: cman: Uranus Is Huge!: Given how amazingly clairvoyant the Fark Derp Spreaders have been to date, I'm somewhat comforted by their doom & gloom predictions.

Using such verbose terms disregards the common educated person in their comprehension and enshrines oneself to neural entries of grand pomposity.

Somebody took a bong-hit!

Somebody took a bong-hit!


You said bong-hit twice.
 
2013-09-30 10:00:15 AM

Fubini: Say what you will about congress, but we have one of the more productive governments in the world.


Kinda like a productive cough.
 
2013-09-30 10:01:06 AM
"All that we have to do is to send two mujahedeen to the furthest point east to raise a piece of cloth on which is written al Qaeda, in order to make generals race there to cause America to suffer human, economic and political losses without their achieving anything of note other than some benefits for their private corporations."

Osama bin Laden - proto-Teabagger
 
2013-09-30 10:01:18 AM

DeaH: cman: DeaH: It's not negotiation unless both sides want opposite things. The Democrats want to avoid hurting the economy, so they want to raise the debt ceiling. If the Republicans think that's negotiable, then they want to harm the American economy. If that's what they want, who wants to give them anything?

They don't believe it will hurt the economy

It certainly hurt the economy the last time they didn't automatically raise the debt ceiling. The Republicans, as a whole, just cannot be that stupid, but, if they really are, then the Democrats only response can be a demand for the mass resignation of all Republicans.


If Republicans want to cut the government services that are riddled with corruption and services that yield no results then we should absolutely call on them to resign.
 
2013-09-30 10:01:44 AM
At this point the entire government rests on John Boehner.  The way the House is set up, the Speaker has complete control over what gets brought up for a vote and what gets tossed.  If he wants to bring the clean Senate CR to the floor, he can.  If he wants to screw around with the defund-Obamacare-and-birth-control version, he can.
 
2013-09-30 10:01:54 AM

MarshWoman: antidisestablishmentarianism: MarshWoman: I lived in the US for the first 36 years of my life. I had sh**ty BC/BS insurance through my employer for a while, then had to shell out of pocket for sh**ty BC/BS on my own. The coverage was horrible, but was all I could afford. Then I moved to Canada. Yes, the taxes are high- about the same as anywhere in the Northeastern US. The difference is that when I had to take my son to the ER last week, where he was admitted for emergency surgery, I gave the intake desk his health card. That's it.

I was working with some Canadians during the whole debate. They were conservatives and they said they would never give up their health care system. They mentioned that we missed out on a chance to have universal healthcare.

My Dad, who lives in NJ and reads every piece of crazy the teabaggers put out, actually tried to argue with me when the US healthcare plan was first being voted on. He kept telling me how horrible Canada's healthcare system was and how horrible the tax rates were (about the same as NJ), and how people in Canada were dying left and right because they had crappy healthcare, or were being denied life-saving procedures. I was stunned. I kept saying, "No, it's not like that." He kept insisting that it was and I had been brainwashed by the socialists.

This is the rank and file of the teaparty. Their "leaders" could cause the collapse of US society, and they would scurry to Faux news to be assured that it was all the fault of the brown man.


I lived in Edmonton for three years from 03-06. Here's my experience with the healthcare there: Provincial healthcare cost $44 a month, did not include vision, dental or prescription (AB is the cheapskate of all the Canadian provinces, but also the cheapest). When I had strep throat, I went to the  downtown ER (disclaimer: Edmonton, including nearby St. Albert, is about 1 million people, but still...). I spent 20 minutes in the waiting room, 5 minutes to get the swab from the doc, 10 minutes for the lab results, and then sent on my way, scrip in hand (in Los Angeles a visit to a non-downtown hospital ER takes about 4-6 hours). Go to pharmacy for penicillin, and the clerk *apologizes* for charging me the whopping NINE dollars for the antibiotic because I don't have supplemental prescription coverage.

I also needed an ambulance due to some dumbshiats releasing mace next door inside my apartment building; I had an asthma attack after helping carry two small children down from the apartment next to me and the paramedics made me sit down and take O2 when they noticed my lips turning blue. Cost me $274, but only because I refused transport (I pinked up and they agreed I seemed okay).

Next was needing Mirena IUD for contraception. For that I had to get BlueCross supplemental, and I had to get the most expensive plan because it was the only one that would have covered the IUD. Cost $150 every three months, and after the woman apologized (what is it with you Canadians and apologizing?) for charging me so much, I told her some Americans pay more than twice that per month in the States. I didn't get dental (an extra $15) or vision ($20).

Now, I did hear stories about people who needed necessary surgeries (like hernia repair) waiting for months, and a waitress I became good friends with flew to AZ to get a life-saving hysterectomy because either she couldn't get what she needed in a timely fashion or Alberta wouldn't pay for it (remember what I said about AB being the cheap province). I never needed surgery up there so this is as much as I can comment on.

Oh, except for this oddity: Alberta is generally considered the Texas of Canada, and appropriately conservative, but the province will pay, down to travel expenses, for complete gender reassignment surgery (including all necessary psych treatment prior), as far as the trans person wants to take it. So even the backwards part of Canada get SOMETHING right.

/will become a perm res as soon as she can afford to apply
 
2013-09-30 10:02:20 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: Serious question: Why haven't we stopped farking around and just started doing THIS?
/expulsion


Because it would require a majority.
 
2013-09-30 10:02:22 AM
Hindi DiscoMonster:Serious question: Why haven't we stopped farking around and just started doing /expulsion

because of this:


"Each House [of Congress] may determine the Rules of its proceedings, punish its members for disorderly behavior, and, with the concurrence of two-thirds, expel a member

sort of like how you don't let your kids decide their own bedtimes with any good result
 
2013-09-30 10:02:33 AM

Uranus Is Huge!: cman: Uranus Is Huge!: Given how amazingly clairvoyant the Fark Derp Spreaders have been to date, I'm somewhat comforted by their doom & gloom predictions.

Using such verbose terms disregards the common educated person in their comprehension and enshrines oneself to neural entries of grand pomposity.

Sorry. I forgot about your two-syllable limit. Was there a word you needed help with?


I can use words of Germanic origin to explain it better:

Folks will think you are a learned prick who speaks down to them when you talk like that

/And, if you haven't been able to tell, I was pulling your leg
 
2013-09-30 10:03:52 AM

parasol: hasty ambush: We should see this as an opportunity.  Only essential government workers/services  will continue and that gives us a starting point for our budget and where to cut.


  As someone who was once deemed "essential personnel" with "non essential staff" let me disagree. Essential generally means "you have to stay during a crisis (ie a shutdown, a hurricane) and do your work with no support".

  Or - if this helps?  In the traditional nuclear family, Mom, Dad and two kids - only one parent is really essential.

  It really isn't the opportunity you might picture.


True, but he's a libertarian dumbass so don't expect him to realize that.
 
2013-09-30 10:04:14 AM

MarshWoman: antidisestablishmentarianism: MarshWoman: I lived in the US for the first 36 years of my life. I had sh**ty BC/BS insurance through my employer for a while, then had to shell out of pocket for sh**ty BC/BS on my own. The coverage was horrible, but was all I could afford. Then I moved to Canada. Yes, the taxes are high- about the same as anywhere in the Northeastern US. The difference is that when I had to take my son to the ER last week, where he was admitted for emergency surgery, I gave the intake desk his health card. That's it.

I was working with some Canadians during the whole debate. They were conservatives and they said they would never give up their health care system. They mentioned that we missed out on a chance to have universal healthcare.

My Dad, who lives in NJ and reads every piece of crazy the teabaggers put out, actually tried to argue with me when the US healthcare plan was first being voted on. He kept telling me how horrible Canada's healthcare system was and how horrible the tax rates were (about the same as NJ), and how people in Canada were dying left and right because they had crappy healthcare, or were being denied life-saving procedures. I was stunned. I kept saying, "No, it's not like that." He kept insisting that it was and I had been brainwashed by the socialists.

This is the rank and file of the teaparty. Their "leaders" could cause the collapse of US society, and they would scurry to Faux news to be assured that it was all the fault of the brown man.


Among the many benefits for the plutocrats working their American labor 51 weeks a year is they never have the time to go abroad and see how good their working class peers in other first world countries have it.
 
2013-09-30 10:04:23 AM

parasol: hasty ambush: We should see this as an opportunity.  Only essential government workers/services  will continue and that gives us a starting point for our budget and where to cut.


  As someone who was once deemed "essential personnel" with "non essential staff" let me disagree. Essential generally means "you have to stay during a crisis (ie a shutdown, a hurricane) and do your work with no support".

  Or - if this helps?  In the traditional nuclear family, Mom, Dad and two kids - only one parent is really essential.

  It really isn't the opportunity you might picture.


Also things like Passport services, custodial staff for Gov't buildings, most of the national weather service staff and a lot of other things that you are going to miss are not "essential"
 
2013-09-30 10:04:53 AM

parasol: Hindi DiscoMonster:Serious question: Why haven't we stopped farking around and just started doing /expulsion

because of this:

"Each House [of Congress] may determine the Rules of its proceedings, punish its members for disorderly behavior, and, with the concurrence of two-thirds, expel a member

sort of like how you don't let your kids decide their own bedtimes with any good result


there is a long history of successful expulsions as new as 2006
 
2013-09-30 10:05:09 AM

OlderGuy: zeroman987: QueenMamaBee: Aristocles: hammer85: I love these assholes toying with my livelihood.  Because we all know its not like government employees have bills to pay or anything.

You're gonna get paid retroactively... you do know this, right?

That doesn't pay the bills that are due during the shutdown... you do know that, right?

Actually, if you aren't essential, as about 900,000 people are categorized, you don't get back pay unless it is approved by congress. So, through no fault of their own, 900,000 gov't employees don't get paid because 20 potatoes want to privatize medicare and give another handout to their petrol buddies.

I am someone who should be the bread and butter for the republican party. I am very cautious when it comes to change and want to make sure any change to the status quo is well reasoned and debated to ensure its the right course; basically I am a conservate. However, I will never ever vote for any person with an (R) next to their name. They blew it. Anyone who votes for Republicans is not a conservative, at this point the republican party is filled with Fundys waiting for the apocalypse, the uber rich, and the unimformed.

No R voted for Obamacare..  would you buy something sight unseen?   I don't think so.. yet " lets pass the bill first.. NOW.... then we will see what,s in it"  ...  well, now we are seeing what,s in it...  I don't think most Americans are jumping with joy.. and it will get worse, and it won't get better.. Those that want to save this country are not D or R, who are too busy following the guy with the 'O' flute..  Hopefully we will wake up... we are 16+ trillion in debt ( actual number more like 70 trillion), printing 85 billion a month of currency based on air..  and all bubbles burst, in the end... our 'burst' will affect the world....  and the concussion will take us out... if that is what you want, keep on dickin' the chickin..... won't affect me much, but I feel bad for my nieces and nephews and those with families....  they will get to see the 'American Dream' turn into the 'North American Nightmare'....   think about it.......


You are a twit. There was plenty of time to read the ACA, that is why the members of congress have staffers: to read the legislation and advise them on it. These staffers are decently paid, intelligent, and will go on to do important things. This excuse of "sight unseen" is hokem and everyone knows it including you. How much do you get paid by the Kochs to spread this drivel?

It is potatoes like you that have ruined this country. You take and take and take and don't want to give back or even admit that you took anything. GFY troll.
 
2013-09-30 10:05:21 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: Ned Stark: Monkeyhouse Zendo: I've resigned myself to the understanding that a significant fraction of the House see Mad Max II: Beyond Thunderdome as an acceptable alternative to a successful and working health care system.

A successful and working healthcare system is an option on the table? Since when?

-12/10


No really. We've got:

A) Democrats cave. Return to the status quo pro ante. Where insurance industry fatcats had used their power within distorted healthcare markets to extract titanic sums of money from the citizenry at the expense of their health to the point where it was essentially a continuous disaster

B) Republicans cave. Absolutely the bare minimum of nessecary reforms, implementation of variously toothless or shortsighted price controls and using state power to compel people to become customers to the buzzards responsible for A, because they seem like such a trustworthy lot.
Or
C) some midpoint between the above.

None of it screams success to me.
 
2013-09-30 10:05:28 AM

Cyclometh: HindiDiscoMonster: Serious question: Why haven't we stopped farking around and just started doing THIS?
/expulsion

Because it would require a majority.


only 2/3
 
2013-09-30 10:06:11 AM

ArkPanda: At this point the entire government rests on John Boehner.  The way the House is set up, the Speaker has complete control over what gets brought up for a vote and what gets tossed.  If he wants to bring the clean Senate CR to the floor, he can.  If he wants to screw around with the defund-Obamacare-and-birth-control version, he can.


Even if Boehner does his job, there are Republicans that have decided to side against Boehner. He has no control over the actual vote.
 
2013-09-30 10:06:38 AM

there their theyre: Man the trolls are out this morning.


seriously.  the comments in this thread have been truly retarded.
 
2013-09-30 10:06:56 AM
Hey, smitty:  "pass health care reform bill as written?"  Does that mean they'll override the President's unilateral decision to postpone implementation of the parts he doesn't like?

Oh, I know.  It's only bad when the people elected to make the laws decide that parts of the bill should be delayed, not when the President does it.  Nixon explained that whole thing to me.
 
2013-09-30 10:07:20 AM

cman: DeaH: It's not negotiation unless both sides want opposite things. The Democrats want to avoid hurting the economy, so they want to raise the debt ceiling. If the Republicans think that's negotiable, then they want to harm the American economy. If that's what they want, who wants to give them anything?

They don't believe it will hurt the economy


They specifically want to hurt the economy and America, because America rejected them in the last election.   They'll never grow to love America half as much as they hate it when a black Democrat is in office.   Right now they're like the homicidal psycho ex-boyfriend who goes to their ex-girlfriend's place of work and guns her and her co-workers down screaming "If I can't have you, no one can."
 
2013-09-30 10:07:22 AM

Bontesla: ArkPanda: At this point the entire government rests on John Boehner.  The way the House is set up, the Speaker has complete control over what gets brought up for a vote and what gets tossed.  If he wants to bring the clean Senate CR to the floor, he can.  If he wants to screw around with the defund-Obamacare-and-birth-control version, he can.

Even if Boehner does his job, there are Republicans that have decided to side against Boehner. He has no control over the actual vote.


But there are enough moderate Republicans (amazing, I know) to go along with the Democrats on a clean bill if Boner will bring one up.  Which is what will end up happening.
 
2013-09-30 10:07:24 AM
as someone who works in Government Information this isn't all that funny. I'm just pissed the government is about to shut down but congress isn't even convening until 2 p.m.
 
2013-09-30 10:08:24 AM

InmanRoshi: cman: DeaH: It's not negotiation unless both sides want opposite things. The Democrats want to avoid hurting the economy, so they want to raise the debt ceiling. If the Republicans think that's negotiable, then they want to harm the American economy. If that's what they want, who wants to give them anything?

They don't believe it will hurt the economy

They specifically want to hurt the economy and America, because America rejected them in the last election.   They'll never grow to love America half as much as they hate it when a black Democrat is in office.   Right now they're like the homicidal psycho ex-boyfriend who goes to their ex-girlfriend's place of work and guns her and her co-workers down screaming "If I can't have you, no one can."


Yeah, I did forget about that

You are right
 
2013-09-30 10:09:07 AM

cman: Uranus Is Huge!: cman: Uranus Is Huge!: Given how amazingly clairvoyant the Fark Derp Spreaders have been to date, I'm somewhat comforted by their doom & gloom predictions.

Using such verbose terms disregards the common educated person in their comprehension and enshrines oneself to neural entries of grand pomposity.

Sorry. I forgot about your two-syllable limit. Was there a word you needed help with?

I can use words of Germanic origin to explain it better:

Folks will think you are a learned prick who speaks down to them when you talk like that

/And, if you haven't been able to tell, I was pulling your leg


The folks that think I'm a prick aren't looking at my vocabulary (word) choices.

Thank you for looking out for me though.
 
2013-09-30 10:10:39 AM

Ned Stark: HindiDiscoMonster: Ned Stark: Monkeyhouse Zendo: I've resigned myself to the understanding that a significant fraction of the House see Mad Max II: Beyond Thunderdome as an acceptable alternative to a successful and working health care system.

A successful and working healthcare system is an option on the table? Since when?

-12/10

No really. We've got:

A) Democrats cave. Return to the status quo pro ante. Where insurance industry fatcats had used their power within distorted healthcare markets to extract titanic sums of money from the citizenry at the expense of their health to the point where it was essentially a continuous disaster

B) Republicans cave. Absolutely the bare minimum of nessecary reforms, implementation of variously toothless or shortsighted price controls and using state power to compel people to become customers to the buzzards responsible for A, because they seem like such a trustworthy lot.
Or
C) some midpoint between the above.

None of it screams success to me.


I really think you need to watch THIS

It was posted near the top of the thread and represents only the facts currently known about the ACA and does not endorse any side.
 
2013-09-30 10:10:52 AM

Bontesla: ArkPanda: At this point the entire government rests on John Boehner.  The way the House is set up, the Speaker has complete control over what gets brought up for a vote and what gets tossed.  If he wants to bring the clean Senate CR to the floor, he can.  If he wants to screw around with the defund-Obamacare-and-birth-control version, he can.

Even if Boehner does his job, there are Republicans that have decided to side against Boehner. He has no control over the actual vote.


There are enough reasonable Republicans to get the bill passed if it would come to a vote.  Boehner might get voted out of office for letting it happen, but it would be better for the party as a whole.  He should take one for the team.
 
2013-09-30 10:11:35 AM

Uranus Is Huge!: cman: Uranus Is Huge!: cman: Uranus Is Huge!: Given how amazingly clairvoyant the Fark Derp Spreaders have been to date, I'm somewhat comforted by their doom & gloom predictions.

Using such verbose terms disregards the common educated person in their comprehension and enshrines oneself to neural entries of grand pomposity.

Sorry. I forgot about your two-syllable limit. Was there a word you needed help with?

I can use words of Germanic origin to explain it better:

Folks will think you are a learned prick who speaks down to them when you talk like that

/And, if you haven't been able to tell, I was pulling your leg

The folks that think I'm a prick aren't looking at my vocabulary (word) choices.

Thank you for looking out for me though.


I was trying to make a joke

I can see now that I failed miserably at it
 
2013-09-30 10:12:29 AM

PhilGed: We may not like Obamacare.  The president may have admitted that he wants to change the law.  But it is the law right now.


This really has fark all to do with Obamacare, ultimately.   The Republicans put a gun to America's head in 2011 in the exact same way over some general ruse of "austerity".     If it wasn't Obamacare, it would be something else.     We're in this situation because the American media and the American voters have let what was at one time unthinkable and beyond the pale become the new normal (which just so coincidentally happened when a black man became President).
 
2013-09-30 10:12:37 AM
Why when I hit refresh do I keep going back to the first page?  Really annoying...
 
2013-09-30 10:12:51 AM
HindiDiscoMonster: there is a long history of successful expulsions as new as 2006

according to your link, a long history but not MANY - most of them were in the 1800's (from what I skimmed) and the three most recent were for outright illegal behavior (bribery, treason)

what is happening now isn't technically illegal - they are following protocol - a challenge may be made (Pelosi mentioned the 14th) but that would likely entail a legal opinion

also? if you noticed - the history of expulsions is generally ONE member - not an entire obstructionist group. be hard to "fix" this particular problem with an expulsion that requires 2/3rds
 
2013-09-30 10:13:02 AM

cman: I was trying to make a joke

I can see now that I failed miserably at it


*chairshot*

aww...crud.  Wrong thread.  :D
 
2013-09-30 10:13:37 AM

ModernPrimitive01: as someone who works in Government Information this isn't all that funny. I'm just pissed the government is about to shut down but congress isn't even convening until 2 p.m.


That's because they get to work at 12noon and have to go to lunch for 2hrs first.
 
2013-09-30 10:14:58 AM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: cman: I was trying to make a joke

I can see now that I failed miserably at it

*chairshot*

aww...crud.  Wrong thread.  :D


I don't go to RAW FWC threads anymore. I just can't deal with the WWE anymore

/Anyways, I thought my statement of "neural entries of grand pomposity" would have given me away.
 
2013-09-30 10:15:34 AM

cman: Uranus Is Huge!: cman: Uranus Is Huge!: cman: Uranus Is Huge!: Given how amazingly clairvoyant the Fark Derp Spreaders have been to date, I'm somewhat comforted by their doom & gloom predictions.

Using such verbose terms disregards the common educated person in their comprehension and enshrines oneself to neural entries of grand pomposity.

Sorry. I forgot about your two-syllable limit. Was there a word you needed help with?

I can use words of Germanic origin to explain it better:

Folks will think you are a learned prick who speaks down to them when you talk like that

/And, if you haven't been able to tell, I was pulling your leg

The folks that think I'm a prick aren't looking at my vocabulary (word) choices.

Thank you for looking out for me though.

I was trying to make a joke

I can see now that I failed miserably at it


Smarted!
 
2013-09-30 10:16:42 AM

cman: Grand_Moff_Joseph: cman: I was trying to make a joke

I can see now that I failed miserably at it

*chairshot*

aww...crud.  Wrong thread.  :D

I don't go to RAW FWC threads anymore. I just can't deal with the WWE anymore

/Anyways, I thought my statement of "neural entries of grand pomposity" would have given me away.


Well, you can ignore the WWE, and still chill out with the group.  A decent number of us only half watch the show anyway, and just MST3K the hell out of it for the lulz.  :)
 
2013-09-30 10:17:02 AM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: cman: I was trying to make a joke

I can see now that I failed miserably at it

*chairshot*

aww...crud.  Wrong thread.  :D


that's later, GMJ.  you jumped the gun.
 
2013-09-30 10:17:16 AM

parasol: HindiDiscoMonster: there is a long history of successful expulsions as new as 2006

according to your link, a long history but not MANY - most of them were in the 1800's (from what I skimmed) and the three most recent were for outright illegal behavior (bribery, treason)

what is happening now isn't technically illegal - they are following protocol - a challenge may be made (Pelosi mentioned the 14th) but that would likely entail a legal opinion

also? if you noticed - the history of expulsions is generally ONE member - not an entire obstructionist group. be hard to "fix" this particular problem with an expulsion that requires 2/3rds


Just pick the member that is the most trouble. As far as I can tell, they are comitting treason... because they are betraying the country. Then you can also bring in RICO for the ones that are aligned with the same treason... problem solved. :)
 
2013-09-30 10:18:14 AM
0.tqn.com
 
2013-09-30 10:18:38 AM
Not even 10AM central, and this is already getting depressing.  Let's liven things up a bit:

images.wikia.com


/even if you're not a pony fan
//it's still better than a government shutdown
 
2013-09-30 10:18:45 AM

A Terrible Human: Thunderpipes: Going to be hilarious when the few Democrats who actually work get their new health care bills.

I say we let all the people making under 1 million a year die. Cut off all services,let the poors riot while the job creators are safe in their mansions with security guards. Then after that everything will be just fine.


Are they going to pay their security guards $1million a year each? And if so, then who is going to guard the security guards?
 
2013-09-30 10:19:20 AM

JusticeandIndependence: Why when I hit refresh do I keep going back to the first page?  Really annoying...


Paginatiton errors usually happen when mods are deleting posts.
 
2013-09-30 10:19:34 AM
HindiDiscoMonster:
Just pick the member that is the most trouble. As far as I can tell, they are comitting treason... because they are betraying the country. Then you can also bring in RICO for the ones that are aligned with the same treason... problem solved. :)


since they make their own rules on this, I am SURE they will get right on that, pronto ;-)
as for picking one member - the most likely candidates are tea-party darlings - the howling would be epic
 
2013-09-30 10:19:42 AM

badhatharry: cman: Ok, wise guy, where is your proof?

Now, I aint talking about linking me to some shiatty blog, twitter, or an Alex Jones like site. Reputable sources.

Until you have proof you are only speculating and attempting to pass it off as facts

You want proof that the democrats are the ones that want a government shutdown?

The Republicans are scared of a government shutdown. It will kill their chances of winning the next round of elections because everyone knows they will get blamed for it. The Democrats are salivating at the prospect of a government shutdown.

You think the Democrats care if ACA is delayed. It's not ready to go online. It's going to be a giant clusterfark. They have already delayed a bunch of parts of it. They want to delay it.


I got all the way to here before figuring out this wasn't satire.
 
2013-09-30 10:23:19 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: ModernPrimitive01: as someone who works in Government Information this isn't all that funny. I'm just pissed the government is about to shut down but congress isn't even convening until 2 p.m.

That's because they get to work at 12noon and have to go to lunch for 2hrs first.


Nah, it's because they paid the hookers through 1:00.
 
2013-09-30 10:23:29 AM

Tigger: badhatharry: cman: Ok, wise guy, where is your proof?

Now, I aint talking about linking me to some shiatty blog, twitter, or an Alex Jones like site. Reputable sources.

Until you have proof you are only speculating and attempting to pass it off as facts

You want proof that the democrats are the ones that want a government shutdown?

The Republicans are scared of a government shutdown. It will kill their chances of winning the next round of elections because everyone knows they will get blamed for it. The Democrats are salivating at the prospect of a government shutdown.

You think the Democrats care if ACA is delayed. It's not ready to go online. It's going to be a giant clusterfark. They have already delayed a bunch of parts of it. They want to delay it.

I got all the way to here before figuring out this wasn't satire.


There are Dems who do want to delay it but not for the same reason as the GOP. GOP thinks if they can delay it then they can ultimately defeat it. Dems that want to delay it want it for a different reason.

Since I cannot provide that reason because my Googlefu is weak today, this should be taken as a grain of salt. I remember reading about that a few Dems wanted it suspended, but I cannot for the life of me find where I read it.
 
2013-09-30 10:24:35 AM
0.tqn.com
 
2013-09-30 10:27:58 AM
I'm not over exaggerating when I say I can smell the booze wafting from members as they walk off the floor.

- Ginger Gibson (@GingerGibson) September 29, 2013
 
2013-09-30 10:29:52 AM
At this point I feel like the dems should just start rolling out a bunch of ridiculous proposals just to give them something to "negotiate" with the repubs. Like have the Senate pass a CR that also bans football, guns, and beef. Then they can say, "OK, you agree to fund Obamacare and we'll back off banning the NFL."
 
2013-09-30 10:32:30 AM
I'm not over exaggerating when I say I can smell the booze wafting from members as they walk off the floor.
- Ginger Gibson (@GingerGibson) September 29, 2013

For all those asking for names, sorry, I didn't get close enough to figure out the source of the smell.
- Ginger Gibson (@GingerGibson) September 29, 2013

I def saw more than 1 member of congress putting a few back on Penn earlier. Ran into 2 in the liquor store.
- KateNocera (@KateNocera) September 29, 2013
 
2013-09-30 10:34:08 AM
InmanRoshi

huh - and here I thought you were supposed to hoist one in celebration for a job well done.
 
2013-09-30 10:34:53 AM

spartacus_prime: Whoever wins, we lose.


If we changed the procedure in Congress to something like this, we all win.

a.  To propose a bill, you must either in man to man combat or by picking a champion, defeat the Majority Leader or Speaker.

b.  To filibuster, you must be able to hold the floor against a pack of rabid wolves let loose in the chamber.

c.  To propose an amendment which increases spending for the benefit of your constituents, you have to prove the existence of Big Foot with hair samples, and photographic evidence.
 
2013-09-30 10:36:03 AM
And more food for thought...  ACA aka Obamacare authorizes the government to  monitor your bank accounts 'in near real time' and allows them to 'deduct' any fees and/ or penalties.. you can't stop it..  also, not connected with ACA, a push has been on for a while to enact a 1% transaction tax on your bank accounts.. all transactions..   did a GIS.. it,s there....  hows that hope and change working for you?
 
2013-09-30 10:36:45 AM

InmanRoshi: I'm not over exaggerating when I say I can smell the booze wafting from members as they walk off the floor.
- Ginger Gibson (@GingerGibson) September 29, 2013

For all those asking for names, sorry, I didn't get close enough to figure out the source of the smell.
- Ginger Gibson (@GingerGibson) September 29, 2013

I def saw more than 1 member of congress putting a few back on Penn earlier. Ran into 2 in the liquor store.
- KateNocera (@KateNocera) September 29, 2013


I think I may start myself.  It's noon somewhere...
 
2013-09-30 10:37:39 AM

OlderGuy: And more food for thought...  ACA aka Obamacare authorizes the government to  monitor your bank accounts 'in near real time' and allows them to 'deduct' any fees and/ or penalties.. you can't stop it..  also, not connected with ACA, a push has been on for a while to enact a 1% transaction tax on your bank accounts.. all transactions..   did a GIS.. it,s there....  hows that hope and change working for you?


You left off the FWD:FWD:FWD:FWD
 
2013-09-30 10:37:49 AM

DeaH: It's not negotiation unless both sides want opposite things. The Democrats want to avoid hurting the economy, so they want to raise the debt ceiling. If the Republicans think that's negotiable, then they want to harm the American economy. If that's what they want, who wants to give them anything?


"Shoot the hostage, or else we'll shoot the hostage!"
 
2013-09-30 10:38:06 AM

OlderGuy: And more food for thought...  ACA aka Obamacare authorizes the government to  monitor your bank accounts 'in near real time' and allows them to 'deduct' any fees and/ or penalties.. you can't stop it..  also, not connected with ACA, a push has been on for a while to enact a 1% transaction tax on your bank accounts.. all transactions..   did a GIS.. it,s there....  hows that hope and change working for you?


Is this one of those FWD:FWD:FWD: myths?
 
2013-09-30 10:38:43 AM

InmanRoshi: I'm not over exaggerating when I say I can smell the booze wafting from members as they walk off the floor.

- Ginger Gibson (@GingerGibson) September 29, 2013


I just assume most of our nation's lawmakers are tanked most of the time.  It's the most plausible explanation.
 
2013-09-30 10:41:11 AM

Pants full of macaroni!!: Shiat, let's just disband the entire government and try anarchy for awhile.

/makes as much sense as what's actually going on now


That's where they want to go. But those calling for it tend to think the rest of us are going to go full thunderdome. More likely, the nation as a whole is going to say "fark that", and vote the motherfarkers off the island.

Or better yet, an act which allows every major city to enjoy at least the same level of representation as Wyoming.
 
2013-09-30 10:41:25 AM

Pants full of macaroni!!: InmanRoshi: I'm not over exaggerating when I say I can smell the booze wafting from members as they walk off the floor.

- Ginger Gibson (@GingerGibson) September 29, 2013

I just assume most of our nation's lawmakers are tanked most of the time.  It's the most plausible explanation.


You would be to if you had to work with those people.
 
2013-09-30 10:42:15 AM

AngryDragon: HindiDiscoMonster: ModernPrimitive01: as someone who works in Government Information this isn't all that funny. I'm just pissed the government is about to shut down but congress isn't even convening until 2 p.m.

That's because they get to work at 12noon and have to go to lunch for 2hrs first.

Nah, it's because they paid the hookers through 1:00.


Damn, those blue pills are more powerful than the commercials allude do.
 
2013-09-30 10:42:50 AM
i42.tinypic.com
 
2013-09-30 10:42:59 AM

I_C_Weener: spartacus_prime: Whoever wins, we lose.

If we changed the procedure in Congress to something like this, we all win.

a.  To propose a bill, you must either in man to man combat or by picking a champion, defeat the Majority Leader or Speaker.

b.  To filibuster, you must be able to hold the floor against a pack of rabid wolves let loose in the chamber.

c.  To propose an amendment which increases spending for the benefit of your constituents, you have to prove the existence of Big Foot with hair samples, and photographic evidence.


BUST A DEAL, FACE THE WHEEL!!!

/Also, d. Everytime you run for re-election, you lose a digit. Or appendage, once the digits are gone.
 
2013-09-30 10:43:29 AM

JusticeandIndependence: Why when I hit refresh do I keep going back to the first page?  Really annoying...


If you are on a page where you just put someone on ignore or posts were deleted, when you refresh it brings you back to the previous page.
 
2013-09-30 10:43:55 AM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Bontesla: ArkPanda: At this point the entire government rests on John Boehner.  The way the House is set up, the Speaker has complete control over what gets brought up for a vote and what gets tossed.  If he wants to bring the clean Senate CR to the floor, he can.  If he wants to screw around with the defund-Obamacare-and-birth-control version, he can.

Even if Boehner does his job, there are Republicans that have decided to side against Boehner. He has no control over the actual vote.

But there are enough moderate Republicans (amazing, I know) to go along with the Democrats on a clean bill if Boner will bring one up.  Which is what will end up happening.


I think that you're right in that the moderates will join with the Democrats. I also think that we may even see some of the Teahadists concede. The debt ceiling is only a few weeks away.
 
2013-09-30 10:44:14 AM

parasol: HindiDiscoMonster:
Just pick the member that is the most trouble. As far as I can tell, they are comitting treason... because they are betraying the country. Then you can also bring in RICO for the ones that are aligned with the same treason... problem solved. :)


since they make their own rules on this, I am SURE they will get right on that, pronto ;-)
as for picking one member - the most likely candidates are tea-party darlings - the howling would be epic


hey... a guy can dream can't he?
 
2013-09-30 10:44:53 AM

NeverDrunk23: JusticeandIndependence: Why when I hit refresh do I keep going back to the first page?  Really annoying...

If you are on a page where you just put someone on ignore or posts were deleted, when you refresh it brings you back to the previous page.


ok thanks.  I don't ignore anyone, so they must be cleaning up.  I don't know why though, haven't seen any offending posts in my opinion.
 
2013-09-30 10:45:38 AM

AngryDragon: HindiDiscoMonster: ModernPrimitive01: as someone who works in Government Information this isn't all that funny. I'm just pissed the government is about to shut down but congress isn't even convening until 2 p.m.

That's because they get to work at 12noon and have to go to lunch for 2hrs first.

Nah, it's because they paid the hookers through 1:00.


you mean they have dessert first? those RADICALS!
 
2013-09-30 10:46:04 AM

parasol: InmanRoshi

huh - and here I thought you were supposed to hoist one in celebration for a job well done.


Telling isn't it.  Almost like the conclusion is forgone and will reveal itself after the shorts/longs have played out.
 
2013-09-30 10:46:06 AM
OlderGuy: And more food for thought...  ACA aka Obamacare authorizes the government to  monitor your bank accounts 'in near real time' and allows them to 'deduct' any fees and/ or penalties.. you can't stop it..  also, not connected with ACA, a push has been on for a while to enact a 1% transaction tax on your bank accounts.. all transactions..   did a GIS.. it,s there....  hows that hope and change working for you?

so - sort of like the IRS and BoA operating proceedures?
i'd better FWD that asap
 
2013-09-30 10:47:15 AM

FlashHarry: [i42.tinypic.com image 480x480]


This
 
2013-09-30 10:47:18 AM

OlderGuy: And more food for thought...  ACA aka Obamacare authorizes the government to  monitor your bank accounts 'in near real time' and allows them to 'deduct' any fees and/ or penalties.. you can't stop it..  also, not connected with ACA, a push has been on for a while to enact a 1% transaction tax on your bank accounts.. all transactions..   did a GIS.. it,s there....  hows that hope and change working for you?


That is some of the most brilliant satire I have even seen here.

Bravo, sir.  Bravo.
 
2013-09-30 10:47:41 AM

ongbok: Dinki: health care reform bill ? Is it 2009 again?

Obama used his magical time machine so much that it caused a rip in the time space continuum and caused 2013 to fold back on 2009 destroying 2009 and making us repeat it.

What the hell is is problem?


Must've been made in China. Proper, non leaded time machines don't do that. That'll learn him for not buying local.
 
2013-09-30 10:49:18 AM

Jormungandr: ongbok: Dinki: health care reform bill ? Is it 2009 again?

Obama used his magical time machine so much that it caused a rip in the time space continuum and caused 2013 to fold back on 2009 destroying 2009 and making us repeat it.

What the hell is is problem?

Must've been made in China. Proper, non leaded time machines don't do that. That'll learn him for not buying local.


We would have had green time machines made here in the US if BOB hadn't given all those subsidies to Singularindra.
 
2013-09-30 10:50:27 AM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: I_C_Weener: spartacus_prime: Whoever wins, we lose.

If we changed the procedure in Congress to something like this, we all win.

a.  To propose a bill, you must either in man to man combat or by picking a champion, defeat the Majority Leader or Speaker.

b.  To filibuster, you must be able to hold the floor against a pack of rabid wolves let loose in the chamber.

c.  To propose an amendment which increases spending for the benefit of your constituents, you have to prove the existence of Big Foot with hair samples, and photographic evidence.

BUST A DEAL, FACE THE WHEEL!!!

/Also, d. Everytime you run for re-election, you lose a digit. Or appendage, once the digits are gone.


I like these ideas.  Keep them coming.
 
2013-09-30 10:50:35 AM
What leaves me scratching my head is the fact that uninsured people are a big problem in the USA.  They use hospital emergency rooms as their primary care, the most expensive way to do it.  If they need major medical care, they either put the burden on hospitals (private corporations, yay), and ultimately the hard-working, tax-paying Americans.

So now there is a new law, yet to be enacted, offering a four-tiered option of lower cost health insurance.   If someone chooses, or can't, pay for even that, there is a tax of about $100 a year (I think) to cover the uninsured population when they get hit by a bus.

So, more people get insurance of some sort.  There's a fund to pay for the uninsured.  And Republicans are opposing this, why?  Are they really so short sighted and uncaring for America that they want to hurt corporations and taxpayers?  Do they really want to sabotage the Democrats that badly?
 
2013-09-30 10:51:32 AM
Oh lets stop the pussy footing around and just lay it all out on the table.
http://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/declare-tea-party-terrorist -o rganization/StzZGtNG
 
2013-09-30 10:51:38 AM

OlderGuy: And more food for thought...  ACA aka Obamacare authorizes the government to  monitor your bank accounts 'in near real time' and allows them to 'deduct' any fees and/ or penalties.. you can't stop it..  also, not connected with ACA, a push has been on for a while to enact a 1% transaction tax on your bank accounts.. all transactions..   did a GIS.. it,s there....  hows that hope and change working for you?


Already been debunked.
 
2013-09-30 10:53:01 AM

Earguy: What leaves me scratching my head is the fact that uninsured people are a big problem in the USA.  They use hospital emergency rooms as their primary care, the most expensive way to do it.  If they need major medical care, they either put the burden on hospitals (private corporations, yay), and ultimately the hard-working, tax-paying Americans.

So now there is a new law, yet to be enacted, offering a four-tiered option of lower cost health insurance.   If someone chooses, or can't, pay for even that, there is a tax of about $100 a year (I think) to cover the uninsured population when they get hit by a bus.

So, more people get insurance of some sort.  There's a fund to pay for the uninsured.  And Republicans are opposing this, why?  Are they really so short sighted and uncaring for America that they want to hurt corporations and taxpayers?  Do they really want to sabotage the Democrats that badly?


As usual, it's all about money.  Obamacare forces transparency into the insurance and medical industries, areas that are aggressively opaque by law.  Transparency leads to lower prices, which cuts into the bottom line of big insurers, big pharma, and the AMA.
 
2013-09-30 10:53:31 AM
I considered bringing in a cake today.  I couldn't decide whether to write "Yay! I'm non-essential!" or "Cake makes everything better...right?"  Then I realized it would take just one person not "finding it funny" to make a scene, so I brought nothing.

Maybe I'll bring a "welcome back" cake when this is all said and done.
 
2013-09-30 10:53:54 AM

czetie: The irony here is that this is not a battle between the House and the Senate, as Subby seems to think, nor even between Republican and Democratic parties, as the media -- terrified of being accused of not being even-handed -- will say.

This is a battle between the majority of the Republican party in Congress and an extremist faction of the Republican party. The extremists want do to something never seen before in our democracy: use the threat of economic chaos to achieve a political goal that they couldn't achieve through the Presidential election, nor even muster enough support for in a thoroughly gerrymandered and unrepresentative Congress. What the Tea Party is demanding here is not "negotiation" nor "compromise": it is "give us all our demands or we will shoot the hostage".

The sad part is that there is a very simple and straightforward resolution to this whole business. It requires Boehner and the mainstream House GOP Caucus to stand up and say "you in the Tea Party are damaging our party and our cause. By being intransigent and extreme, we are achieving none of our goals, rather than at least some of them. We have tried in good faith to accommodate you but there is no give on your part, only take." Then Boehner together with the Democrats in the House pass a clean CR, and the Tea Party is cut adrift.

Of course, that's never going to happen, and a big part of the reason is that so many in the GOP House are terrified of being primaried; and the reason they are at risk for that is, of course, the unlimited outside funding unleashed by Citizens United. Thanks to that turd dropped into the electoral punchbowl by the Supreme Court, the rich are now able to use the extremist rump of an unpopular minority party to hold the entire democratic process hostage to their demands. What a great country.


Yes... but it only works as long as everyone watches TV. And as more an more people fall on harder and harder times, they will watch a lot less of it. Cable TV is expensive. Digital TV doesn't have the range of the old analog band. And the analog bands were sold to the mobile companies. You also have the other problem in that TV is primarily funded through advertisements. Poor people don't buy very much, so even if the GOP handed out TVs from the back of a truck, the stations that produce the content will be going out of business if they can't get advertisers for the non-election years.

Consumer spending is 2/3rds of our economy. We have been chipping away at viable livelihoods for 30 years. And the irony is, when we finally hit rock bottom, the people that will be the most screwed are the rich.
 
2013-09-30 10:54:13 AM

badhatharry: THE TEA PARTY IS NOT THREATENING SHUT DOWN! THEY DON'T WANT A SHUTDOWN! THEY WANT TO NEGOTIATE!

THE DEMOCRATS WANT THE SHUT DOWN! THEY REFUSE TO NEGOTIATE!


I can't take it anymore


Uh, yeah they are.

The GOP:
Tried to get Obamacare repealed.  They failed.
Tried to get Obamacare declared unconstitutional.  They failed.
Tried to get Obamacare funding cut.  Over 40 times.  They failed.
Tried to run a presidential candidate on the idea of getting Obamacare repealed.  They failed.
Tried to hold the country hostage with "Get rid of Obamacare or we'll shut down the government!".  They are currently failing.

It isn't the Democrats that are to blame for this.  They're just as tired of the tea party's shiat as the rest of us, and they've stopped even pretending to give a shiat about what these extremists want.
 
2013-09-30 10:54:59 AM

Brick-House: Turfshoe: Is this the Breaking Bad thread?

Obamscare as bad as method, so yeah


You and/or your mobile device is on meth.
 
2013-09-30 10:55:25 AM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: I_C_Weener: spartacus_prime: Whoever wins, we lose.

If we changed the procedure in Congress to something like this, we all win.

a.  To propose a bill, you must either in man to man combat or by picking a champion, defeat the Majority Leader or Speaker.

b.  To filibuster, you must be able to hold the floor against a pack of rabid wolves let loose in the chamber.

c.  To propose an amendment which increases spending for the benefit of your constituents, you have to prove the existence of Big Foot with hair samples, and photographic evidence.

BUST A DEAL, FACE THE WHEEL!!!

/Also, d. Everytime you run for re-election, you lose a digit. Or appendage, once the digits are gone.


So it's like a term limit, if you no longer have hands for hand-to-hand combat.
 
2013-09-30 10:55:35 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: OlderGuy: And more food for thought...  ACA aka Obamacare authorizes the government to  monitor your bank accounts 'in near real time' and allows them to 'deduct' any fees and/ or penalties.. you can't stop it..  also, not connected with ACA, a push has been on for a while to enact a 1% transaction tax on your bank accounts.. all transactions..   did a GIS.. it,s there....  hows that hope and change working for you?

Already been debunked.


enough with your commie facts and soshulist truth.
 
2013-09-30 10:55:42 AM

Earguy: What leaves me scratching my head is the fact that uninsured people are a big problem in the USA.  They use hospital emergency rooms as their primary care, the most expensive way to do it.  If they need major medical care, they either put the burden on hospitals (private corporations, yay), and ultimately the hard-working, tax-paying Americans.


So let's change the operations procedures at the emergency room.  Have some primary care options at the emergency room so that people can be guided to another area to have some help.  That way the hospital can benefit as well as the patient.
 
2013-09-30 10:56:05 AM

OlderGuy: And more food for thought...  ACA aka Obamacare authorizes the government to  monitor your bank accounts 'in near real time' and allows them to 'deduct' any fees and/ or penalties.. you can't stop it..  also, not connected with ACA, a push has been on for a while to enact a 1% transaction tax on your bank accounts.. all transactions..   did a GIS.. it,s there....  hows that hope and change working for you?


Wrong.  This section your mentioning aims to simplify electronic payments for health services, the same sort of electronic payments that already are common for such things as utility bills or mortgage payments. The bill calls for the secretary of Health and Human Services to set standards for electronic administrative transactions that would "enable electronic funds transfers, in order to allow automated reconciliation with the related health care payment and remittance advice." There is no mention of "individual bank accounts" nor of any new government authority over them. Also, the section does not say that electronic payments from consumers is required.
 
2013-09-30 10:56:09 AM

ariseatex: I considered bringing in a cake today.  I couldn't decide whether to write "Yay! I'm non-essential!" or "Cake makes everything better...right?"  Then I realized it would take just one person not "finding it funny" to make a scene, so I brought nothing.

Maybe I'll bring a "welcome back" cake when this is all said and done.


Should have gone with, "Good luck, we're all counting on you"

\\or "Pray for Mojo"
 
2013-09-30 10:56:35 AM
Is this the thread where we say republicans are terrorists for trying to control spending and prevent our country from bankrupting itself?
 
2013-09-30 10:56:52 AM

Edymnion: badhatharry: THE TEA PARTY IS NOT THREATENING SHUT DOWN! THEY DON'T WANT A SHUTDOWN! THEY WANT TO NEGOTIATE!

THE DEMOCRATS WANT THE SHUT DOWN! THEY REFUSE TO NEGOTIATE!


I can't take it anymore

Uh, yeah they are.

The GOP:
Tried to get Obamacare repealed.  They failed.
Tried to get Obamacare declared unconstitutional.  They failed.
Tried to get Obamacare funding cut.  Over 40 times.  They failed.
Tried to run a presidential candidate on the idea of getting Obamacare repealed.  They failed.
Tried to hold the country hostage with "Get rid of Obamacare or we'll shut down the government!".  They are currently failing.

It isn't the Democrats that are to blame for this.  They're just as tired of the tea party's shiat as the rest of us, and they've stopped even pretending to give a shiat about what these extremists want.


Its even got me to tone down on my "both sides are bad" spiel.

This is a manufactured crisis and it is the responsibility of one party alone
 
2013-09-30 10:57:57 AM

SlothB77: Is this the thread where we say republicans are terrorists for trying to control spending and prevent our country from bankrupting itself?


This is the equivalent of saying "We need to save money, stop paying our bills".
 
2013-09-30 10:59:44 AM

SlothB77: Is this the thread where we say republicans are terrorists for trying to control spending and prevent our country from bankrupting itself?


Right, republicans want to control spending. That's why they blew up the budget surplus the first chance they got.
 
2013-09-30 10:59:51 AM

OlderGuy: Brick-House: phrawgh: I certainly hope it is not too early to blame Obama!

How can we blame BOB, all he's done is play golf.

He is not a leader, he doesn't like America, he is out to destroy America, and he is doing it..  Our only hope now is that true Americans like Ted Cruz and the Conservative Party are joined by fellow Americans who are fed up with the antics of the Old Guard ( both parties) and throw them out.  Dump Obamacare and Obama, freeze the debt limit, and stop the reckless spending.  The Sleeping Giant better get off it's ass and get it's priorities in order, and do what needs to be done... the time is NOW !  Use it or lose it..   If obamacare is enacted, we,re done.  the government will be sleeping in our beds at night, looting our bank accounts, fully dictating how we live.. We are swirling the drain, people... get off your ass and put in the plug !


Yeah, Obama's destroying America!!!  Well, except for:

The deficit is falling at a faster rate than it has in the last 60 years.

And we currently have a budget surplus.

Considering the cliff this country was headed for when the guy first come into office, that's not too bad.  Apologies if this has already been mentioned.  I got to the thread late.
 
2013-09-30 11:00:13 AM

cman: Edymnion: badhatharry: THE TEA PARTY IS NOT THREATENING SHUT DOWN! THEY DON'T WANT A SHUTDOWN! THEY WANT TO NEGOTIATE!

THE DEMOCRATS WANT THE SHUT DOWN! THEY REFUSE TO NEGOTIATE!


I can't take it anymore

Uh, yeah they are.

The GOP:
Tried to get Obamacare repealed.  They failed.
Tried to get Obamacare declared unconstitutional.  They failed.
Tried to get Obamacare funding cut.  Over 40 times.  They failed.
Tried to run a presidential candidate on the idea of getting Obamacare repealed.  They failed.
Tried to hold the country hostage with "Get rid of Obamacare or we'll shut down the government!".  They are currently failing.

It isn't the Democrats that are to blame for this.  They're just as tired of the tea party's shiat as the rest of us, and they've stopped even pretending to give a shiat about what these extremists want.

Its even got me to tone down on my "both sides are bad" spiel.

This is a manufactured crisis and it is the responsibility of one party alone


Ah, so that's what happened. I was wondering when you'd gotten so reasonable.

/another she doesn't ignore "trolls." Sometimes, they come around.
 
2013-09-30 11:00:15 AM

I_C_Weener: Prank Call of Cthulhu: I_C_Weener: spartacus_prime: Whoever wins, we lose.

If we changed the procedure in Congress to something like this, we all win.

a.  To propose a bill, you must either in man to man combat or by picking a champion, defeat the Majority Leader or Speaker.

b.  To filibuster, you must be able to hold the floor against a pack of rabid wolves let loose in the chamber.

c.  To propose an amendment which increases spending for the benefit of your constituents, you have to prove the existence of Big Foot with hair samples, and photographic evidence.

BUST A DEAL, FACE THE WHEEL!!!

/Also, d. Everytime you run for re-election, you lose a digit. Or appendage, once the digits are gone.

I like these ideas.  Keep them coming.


Every time someone has the floor to speak they are suspended with cables over a shark tank. Cables are automatically controlled by a computer running an American idol style voting scheme. Everyone watching at home can text 'up' or 'down' to raise or lower them an inch.

That'll get people watching c-span.
 
2013-09-30 11:01:13 AM
^another reason, even
 
2013-09-30 11:01:23 AM

Tman144: SlothB77: Is this the thread where we say republicans are terrorists for trying to control spending and prevent our country from bankrupting itself?

Right, republicans want to control spending. That's why they blew up the budget surplus the first chance they got.


Republicans only ever want to control spending when they're not the ones doing the spending.  They ran buck wild under George Bush when they had complete control.
 
2013-09-30 11:01:25 AM

JusticeandIndependence: Earguy: What leaves me scratching my head is the fact that uninsured people are a big problem in the USA.  They use hospital emergency rooms as their primary care, the most expensive way to do it.  If they need major medical care, they either put the burden on hospitals (private corporations, yay), and ultimately the hard-working, tax-paying Americans.

So let's change the operations procedures at the emergency room.  Have some primary care options at the emergency room so that people can be guided to another area to have some help.  That way the hospital can benefit as well as the patient.


That would make it a "hospital", not an emergency room. And that is what they are not allowed to use because they do not have health insurance.
 
2013-09-30 11:04:11 AM
I think there may be a side of this that Congress is not taking into account.

If the military doesn't get paid for any significant length of time, then Congress should probably consider that the military outnumbers them both in bodies and firepower.

/and I wouldn't shed a tear... though I might be heard LOLing IRL.
 
2013-09-30 11:05:19 AM

James!: SlothB77: Is this the thread where we say republicans are terrorists for trying to control spending and prevent our country from bankrupting itself?

This is the equivalent of saying "We need to save money, stop paying our bills".


skip meals to save money for food
 
2013-09-30 11:05:36 AM

Earguy: So, more people get insurance of some sort. There's a fund to pay for the uninsured. And Republicans are opposing this, why? Are they really so short sighted and uncaring for America that they want to hurt corporations and taxpayers? Do they really want to sabotage the Democrats that badly?


The health insurance companies have been paying off the GOP for decades to rig the game in their favor.  That's why the health care system in America sucks so badly.  Now they're facing the end game where people are about to wake up and realize they've been eating dog shiat all these years, and the GOP is not looking forward to that moment of reckoning.
 
2013-09-30 11:07:04 AM

James!: SlothB77: Is this the thread where we say republicans are terrorists for trying to control spending and prevent our country from bankrupting itself?

This is the equivalent of saying "We need to save money, stop paying our bills".


Or, stop paying ridiculous stuff, pay the bills instead...but we aren't borrowing any more to pay borrowed debt.

Or at least that is what it should be about.  Instead,  its about the Republicans saying that, but hanging an albatross around the negotiations by cutting Obamacare instead of...you know...useful stuff.  And the Senate refusing to come up with alternatives to raising the debt celing.

Republicans...no raising the debt ceiling...also we hate Obamacare, so we'll raise it if you drop that....so neither of us win.

Democrats...we have to raise the debt ceiling, period.

Buncha kids.
 
2013-09-30 11:07:32 AM

SlothB77: Is this the thread where we say republicans are terrorists for trying to control spending and prevent our country from bankrupting itself?


no, it's the one where you threadshiat and leave, like you always do.

but just in case you're interested:

• the GOP is threatening to let america default on its debt obligations if its political demands aren't met.
• this will cause massive harm to the US and global economies.
• by definition, this is terrorism.

so, yes, i suppose you're right.
 
2013-09-30 11:09:26 AM

I_C_Weener: Democrats...we have to raise the debt ceiling, period.

Buncha kids.


we do have to raise the debt ceiling, period.

if we don't raise it, we will default on our debt obligations for the first time in our history.

do you think that is a good idea?
 
2013-09-30 11:09:36 AM
What I find hilarious is the way the party with a professed goal of permanently shutting down the government is trying to foist the blame onto the "big government" party. John Thune actually just said that the Democrats want to see a government shut down. Either he's farking retarded or he thinks we are.
 
2013-09-30 11:09:53 AM
SlothB77: Is this the thread where we say republicans are terrorists for trying to control spending and prevent our country from bankrupting itself?

no - this is the one where we point out shutting the government down will cost approximately 2 Billion dollars
 
2013-09-30 11:10:00 AM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Tman144: SlothB77: Is this the thread where we say republicans are terrorists for trying to control spending and prevent our country from bankrupting itself?

Right, republicans want to control spending. That's why they blew up the budget surplus the first chance they got.

Republicans only ever want to control spending when they're not the ones doing the spending.  They ran buck wild under George Bush when they had complete control.


True enough.  And at that time a little known senator from Illinois stood against them and denounced raising the debt ceiling as a failure of leadership.
 
2013-09-30 11:10:24 AM

I_C_Weener: James!: SlothB77: Is this the thread where we say republicans are terrorists for trying to control spending and prevent our country from bankrupting itself?

This is the equivalent of saying "We need to save money, stop paying our bills".

Or, stop paying ridiculous stuff, pay the bills instead...but we aren't borrowing any more to pay borrowed debt.

Or at least that is what it should be about.  Instead,  its about the Republicans saying that, but hanging an albatross around the negotiations by cutting Obamacare instead of...you know...useful stuff.  And the Senate refusing to come up with alternatives to raising the debt celing.

Republicans...no raising the debt ceiling...also we hate Obamacare, so we'll raise it if you drop that....so neither of us win.

Democrats...we have to raise the debt ceiling, period.

Buncha kids.


I wouldn't even call them kids.... kids can learn from their mistakes. I would call them NObots... since no matter what the Dems want, they say NO. The Dems could propose something that would make them all rich beyond the dreams of avarice, and they would still say NO just because a Dem proposed it. That's a NO robot, or a NObot.
 
2013-09-30 11:11:02 AM

I_C_Weener: True enough.  And at that time a little known senator from Illinois stood against them and denounced raising the debt ceiling as a failure of leadership.


do you think defaulting on our debt is a good idea?

honest question.
 
2013-09-30 11:11:38 AM

I_C_Weener: True enough. And at that time a little known senator from Illinois stood against them and denounced raising the debt ceiling as a failure of leadership.


He was naive back then.  And the country hadn't just been through the worst shiatstorm it had faced in 80 years, brought on by Republican policies and deregulation.
 
2013-09-30 11:12:06 AM

I_C_Weener: James!: SlothB77: Is this the thread where we say republicans are terrorists for trying to control spending and prevent our country from bankrupting itself?

This is the equivalent of saying "We need to save money, stop paying our bills".

Or, stop paying ridiculous stuff, pay the bills instead...but we aren't borrowing any more to pay borrowed debt.

Or at least that is what it should be about.  Instead,  its about the Republicans saying that, but hanging an albatross around the negotiations by cutting Obamacare instead of...you know...useful stuff.  And the Senate refusing to come up with alternatives to raising the debt celing.

Republicans...no raising the debt ceiling...also we hate Obamacare, so we'll raise it if you drop that....so neither of us win.

Democrats...we have to raise the debt ceiling, period.

Buncha kids.


Democrats: We have to pay rent.
Republicans: I refuse to pay rent until you cancel your health insurance.
Democrats: What if we get sick?
Republicans: fark YOU! TREE OF LIBERTY!! CONSTITUTION!! SOCIALISM!!
Democrats: I want a new roommate.
 
2013-09-30 11:12:17 AM

FlashHarry: I_C_Weener: Democrats...we have to raise the debt ceiling, period.

Buncha kids.

we do have to raise the debt ceiling, period.

if we don't raise it, we will default on our debt obligations for the first time in our history.

do you think that is a good idea?


Or, we could not pay other obligations to pay those.  That is a good idea.  We don't need any more drones, or stealth fighters right now.  We don't even need a lot of the stuff that passes as welfare.  But we sure don't need to raise the debt ceiling again to continue the cycle of spend spend spend.

What incentive is there to stop spending if the government will just increase its limit everytime?  None.
 
2013-09-30 11:12:19 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: I wouldn't even call them kids.... kids can learn from their mistakes. I would call them NObots... since no matter what the Dems want, they say NO. The Dems could propose something that would make them all rich beyond the dreams of avarice, and they would still say NO just because a Dem proposed it. That's a NO robot, or a NObot.


this may be the greatest case of projection i've ever seen on fark.

congratulations.  10/10
 
2013-09-30 11:12:22 AM

NobleHam: What I find hilarious is the way the party with a professed goal of permanently shutting down the government is trying to foist the blame onto the "big government" party. John Thune actually just said that the Democrats want to see a government shut down. Either he's farking retarded or he thinks we are.


If that's their story, I'm thinking the chances of a shut down are going down.

"Iff'n a Demmycrat is for it, Immagenit!"  thinking.  It allows the moderates to vote against a "Democrat" shut down.
 
2013-09-30 11:12:24 AM

Marcus Aurelius: Earguy: So, more people get insurance of some sort. There's a fund to pay for the uninsured. And Republicans are opposing this, why? Are they really so short sighted and uncaring for America that they want to hurt corporations and taxpayers? Do they really want to sabotage the Democrats that badly?

The health insurance companies have been paying off the GOP for decades to rig the game in their favor.  That's why the health care system in America sucks so badly.  Now they're facing the end game where people are about to wake up and realize they've been eating dog shiat all these years, and the GOP is not looking forward to that moment of reckoning.


if the GOP were really serious about implementing "Free Market Solutions" to fixing the healthcare problems of this country, the very first order of business would be to recall The McCarran-Ferguson Act which gives insurance companies an anti-trust exemption.   How in the world can you have a "free market" when competitors are allowed to collude and price fix against consumers?     When Democrats brought up repealing the McCarran-Ferguson Act during the healthcare debate in 2009, the "free market" GOPers screamed bloody murder.
 
2013-09-30 11:13:37 AM

I_C_Weener: Or, we could not pay other obligations to pay those.  That is a good idea.  We don't need any more drones, or stealth fighters right now.  We don't even need a lot of the stuff that passes as welfare.  But we sure don't need to raise the debt ceiling again to continue the cycle of spend spend spend.

What incentive is there to stop spending if the government will just increase its limit everytime?  None.


you do understand that raising the debt ceiling is necessary to pay for things already authorized by congress, right?

so i ask again, do you think it's a good idea to not raise the debt ceiling, and therefore default on our debt?
 
2013-09-30 11:15:00 AM

sprawl15: James!: SlothB77: Is this the thread where we say republicans are terrorists for trying to control spending and prevent our country from bankrupting itself?

This is the equivalent of saying "We need to save money, stop paying our bills".

skip meals to save money for food


No, it's not skipping a meal to save money on food.  It's eating the meal, then skipping out on the check.

The TeaTards want to dine-and-dash.
 
2013-09-30 11:15:31 AM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Fortunately, demographics is biting the GOP hard in the ass and will continue to do so.  Every election cycle more of their core supporters die or become incapable of voting while more people who grew up under George Bush become eligible to vote.


The Bush Administration was my wake up call.  They switched me from being a Republican to a Democrat.  All I can say is, I was really blind during that time.
 
2013-09-30 11:16:06 AM

FlashHarry: I_C_Weener: True enough.  And at that time a little known senator from Illinois stood against them and denounced raising the debt ceiling as a failure of leadership.

do you think defaulting on our debt is a good idea?

honest question.


Probably does - because if we default, our credit will go to shiat. We won't be able to borrow as easily, and will act as a limiter to spending.

I, for one, think that is stupid. shiatting all over our economy is the dumbest way to fix spending.
 
2013-09-30 11:16:13 AM
I C Weener:
Or, we could not pay other obligations to pay those.  That is a good idea.  We don't need any more drones, or stealth fighters right now.  We don't even need a lot of the stuff that passes as welfare.   But we sure don't need to raise the debt ceiling again to continue the cycle of spend spend spend.

What incentive is there to stop spending if the government will just increase its limit everytime?  None.


If the GOP were REALLY interested in cutting spending the time to have that talk isn't 12 hours before deadline.
If the GOP were REALLY interested in cutting spending they would have seen Ryan's budget proposal as the unworkable farce it really was.

The time to look at your PAST DUE bills and your expected future bills isn't when the Marshals are evicting you from your home.

This is not about cutting costs - this is about the ACA and killing it before it learns to walk
 
2013-09-30 11:16:59 AM
If a login contains a synonym for a penis, it's a troll account. Please ignore those.
 
2013-09-30 11:17:00 AM

InmanRoshi: if the GOP were really serious about implementing "Free Market Solutions" to fixing the healthcare problems of this country, the very first order of business would be to recall The McCarran-Ferguson Act which gives insurance companies an anti-trust exemption. How in the world can you have a "free market" when competitors are allowed to collude and price fix against consumers? When Democrats brought up repealing the McCarran-Ferguson Act during the healthcare debate in 2009, the "free market" GOPers screamed bloody murder.


I completely forgot about that episode.  An excellent point.
 
2013-09-30 11:17:07 AM

FlashHarry: I_C_Weener: True enough.  And at that time a little known senator from Illinois stood against them and denounced raising the debt ceiling as a failure of leadership.

do you think defaulting on our debt is a good idea?

honest question.


Honestly, at this point I don't know. We've had unprecedented growth in our debt in the past 13 years and its at unimaginable numbers.

I'd much rather they cut the crap out of the budget, but if this is the only way to do it...maybe.
 
2013-09-30 11:17:18 AM

I_C_Weener: What incentive is there to stop spending if the government will just increase its limit everytime?  None.


btw, it's clear that you and a great number of your ilk do not understand what the debt ceiling really is, so here's a primer:

The United States debt ceiling or debt limit is a legislative restriction on the amount of national debt that can be issued by the Treasury. Because expenditures are authorized by separate legislation, the debt ceiling does not actually restrict deficits. In effect, it can only restrain the Treasury from paying for expenditures that have already been incurred.(emphasis mine)

we can certainly discuss spending priorities. but not paying our bills is not an option.
 
2013-09-30 11:17:22 AM
For gods sake people, this a vote on funding the government, not the debt ceiling. That happens in 15 days.
 
2013-09-30 11:17:36 AM

Kuroshin: sprawl15: James!: SlothB77: Is this the thread where we say republicans are terrorists for trying to control spending and prevent our country from bankrupting itself?

This is the equivalent of saying "We need to save money, stop paying our bills".

skip meals to save money for food

No, it's not skipping a meal to save money on food.  It's eating the meal, then skipping out on the check.

The TeaTards want to dine-and-dash.


oh ok
 
2013-09-30 11:17:41 AM
Republicans are just like wife-beaters. "She should not have made me so mad. If she had done what I wanted I would not have had to hit her. It's all her fault, why can't she do what I want?" See, it is all the Democrat's fault, they are forcing the shutdown, the Republicans are being Forced to destroy the country because they didn't get what they wanted.
 
2013-09-30 11:19:04 AM

FlashHarry: HindiDiscoMonster: I wouldn't even call them kids.... kids can learn from their mistakes. I would call them NObots... since no matter what the Dems want, they say NO. The Dems could propose something that would make them all rich beyond the dreams of avarice, and they would still say NO just because a Dem proposed it. That's a NO robot, or a NObot.

this may be the greatest case of projection i've ever seen on fark.

congratulations.  10/10


did you reply to the wrong post or forget to switch to your troll alt?
 
2013-09-30 11:19:13 AM

I_C_Weener: I'd much rather they cut the crap out of the budget, but if this is the only way to do it...maybe.


if they do this, the economy will crash and millions of people will lose their jobs. this will drastically lower the tax base while massively increasing jobless benefits, causing even more debt.

do you think that is a good idea?
 
2013-09-30 11:19:33 AM

FlashHarry: HindiDiscoMonster: I wouldn't even call them kids.... kids can learn from their mistakes. I would call them NObots... since no matter what the Dems want, they say NO. The Dems could propose something that would make them all rich beyond the dreams of avarice, and they would still say NO just because a Dem proposed it. That's a NO robot, or a NObot.

this may be the greatest case of projection i've ever seen on fark.

congratulations.  10/10


How is that projecting? We don't negotiate with terrorists... That was my understanding of policy.
:)
 
2013-09-30 11:19:56 AM

born_yesterday: NobleHam: What I find hilarious is the way the party with a professed goal of permanently shutting down the government is trying to foist the blame onto the "big government" party. John Thune actually just said that the Democrats want to see a government shut down. Either he's farking retarded or he thinks we are.

If that's their story, I'm thinking the chances of a shut down are going down.

"Iff'n a Demmycrat is for it, Immagenit!"  thinking.  It allows the moderates to vote against a "Democrat" shut down.


I don't think so. I think it means they think there will be a shutdown, but they also know they'll be blamed for it if there is one, so they're trying to shift the blame. Rovian politics at its best.
 
2013-09-30 11:20:08 AM

KarmicDisaster: Republicans are just like wife-beaters. "She should not have made me so mad. If she had done what I wanted I would not have had to hit her. It's all her fault, why can't she do what I want?" See, it is all the Democrat's fault, they are forcing the shutdown, the Republicans are being Forced to destroy the country because they didn't get what they wanted.


This is a great metaphor
 
2013-09-30 11:20:19 AM

ManateeGag: FlashHarry: HindiDiscoMonster: I wouldn't even call them kids.... kids can learn from their mistakes. I would call them NObots... since no matter what the Dems want, they say NO. The Dems could propose something that would make them all rich beyond the dreams of avarice, and they would still say NO just because a Dem proposed it. That's a NO robot, or a NObot.

this may be the greatest case of projection i've ever seen on fark.

congratulations.  10/10

did you reply to the wrong post or forget to switch to your troll alt?


me? i was responding to HindiDiscoMonster, who, unless i misread, claims that the dems are the party of "no."
 
2013-09-30 11:20:27 AM

cman: Its even got me to tone down on my "both sides are bad" spiel.


Oh I know.  I'm an independent centrist.  Historically, both sides have been just absolutely terrible, but this is just a whole new level of bullshiat and the Republicans have been entirely to blame for it.
 
2013-09-30 11:20:28 AM

parasol: I C Weener:
Or, we could not pay other obligations to pay those.  That is a good idea.  We don't need any more drones, or stealth fighters right now.  We don't even need a lot of the stuff that passes as welfare.   But we sure don't need to raise the debt ceiling again to continue the cycle of spend spend spend.

What incentive is there to stop spending if the government will just increase its limit everytime?  None.

If the GOP were REALLY interested in cutting spending the time to have that talk isn't 12 hours before deadline.
If the GOP were REALLY interested in cutting spending they would have seen Ryan's budget proposal as the unworkable farce it really was.

The time to look at your PAST DUE bills and your expected future bills isn't when the Marshals are evicting you from your home.

This is not about cutting costs - this is about the ACA and killing it before it learns to walk


But you tried and failed to kill the ACA. That ship has sailed. The GOP will not win this fight, and will only give Dems more ammo for 2014. It will be an impressive swan song for Obama when he has control of congress again.
 
2013-09-30 11:20:34 AM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Republicans only ever want to control spending when they're not the ones doing the spending.  They ran buck wild under George Bush when they had complete control.


Yeah but remember, Bush wasn't a real fiscal conservative like every republican is now.
 
2013-09-30 11:21:20 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: How is that projecting? We don't negotiate with terrorists... That was my understanding of policy.


it seemed as if you were saying the democrats were the party of "no" instead of the GOP. if i misread your post, i apologize.
 
2013-09-30 11:21:33 AM

James!: Democrats: We have to pay rent.
Republicans: I refuse to pay rent until you cancel your health insurance.
Democrats: What if we get sick?
Republicans: fark YOU! TREE OF LIBERTY!! CONSTITUTION!! SOCIALISM!!
Democrats: I want a new roommate.


Sorta.  Mine would be more along the lines of

Republicans:  I want to pay the rent, but you bought an insurance plan that we can't afford to pay AND pay rent.
Democrats:  We already bought it, quit whining.
Republicans:  Sorry.  We can't pay that and this and keep going this way.
Democrats:  Why not?  Its not our money.
 
2013-09-30 11:22:22 AM
I C Weener: I'd much rather they cut the crap out of the budget, but if this is the only way to do it...maybe.

failing to fund the government - which is "due" by tonight - is not going to cut ANY crap out of the budget - that is what you do when you WRITE a budget.

failing to increase the debt limit - which is "due" in a few weeks - will not cut ANY crap out of the budget either - what it WILL do is ruin our credit - and, if you plan to invest in any previous stable vehicles such as Treasury Bills start laying in cat food for your golden years, just in case.
 
2013-09-30 11:23:30 AM

I_C_Weener: FlashHarry: I_C_Weener: True enough.  And at that time a little known senator from Illinois stood against them and denounced raising the debt ceiling as a failure of leadership.

do you think defaulting on our debt is a good idea?

honest question.

Honestly, at this point I don't know. We've had unprecedented growth in our debt in the past 13 years and its at unimaginable numbers.

I'd much rather they cut the crap out of the budget, but if this is the only way to do it...maybe.


I dunno kid... I can imagine quite a bit.
starwarsanon.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-09-30 11:24:03 AM

FlashHarry: I_C_Weener: What incentive is there to stop spending if the government will just increase its limit everytime?  None.

btw, it's clear that you and a great number of your ilk do not understand what the debt ceiling really is, so here's a primer:

The United States debt ceiling or debt limit is a legislative restriction on the amount of national debt that can be issued by the Treasury. Because expenditures are authorized by separate legislation, the debt ceiling does not actually restrict deficits. In effect, it can only restrain the Treasury from paying for expenditures that have already been incurred.(emphasis mine)

we can certainly discuss spending priorities. but not paying our bills is not an option.


Our spending never goes down.  The only tool available to stop it at this point is playing chicken.
 
2013-09-30 11:24:32 AM

FlashHarry: ManateeGag: FlashHarry: HindiDiscoMonster: I wouldn't even call them kids.... kids can learn from their mistakes. I would call them NObots... since no matter what the Dems want, they say NO. The Dems could propose something that would make them all rich beyond the dreams of avarice, and they would still say NO just because a Dem proposed it. That's a NO robot, or a NObot.

this may be the greatest case of projection i've ever seen on fark.

congratulations.  10/10

did you reply to the wrong post or forget to switch to your troll alt?

me? i was responding to HindiDiscoMonster, who, unless i misread, claims that the dems are the party of "no."


you misread it.  He's saying the GOP are a bunch of NoBots.
 
2013-09-30 11:24:34 AM

FlashHarry: ManateeGag: FlashHarry: HindiDiscoMonster: I wouldn't even call them kids.... kids can learn from their mistakes. I would call them NObots... since no matter what the Dems want, they say NO. The Dems could propose something that would make them all rich beyond the dreams of avarice, and they would still say NO just because a Dem proposed it. That's a NO robot, or a NObot.

this may be the greatest case of projection i've ever seen on fark.

congratulations.  10/10

did you reply to the wrong post or forget to switch to your troll alt?

me? i was responding to HindiDiscoMonster, who, unless i misread, claims that the dems are the party of "no."


you misread... reverse that
 
2013-09-30 11:24:59 AM
HindiDiscoMonster:

I dunno kid... I can imagine quite a bit.
[starwarsanon.files.wordpress.com image 400x300]


What our esteemed politicians can't do...
 
2013-09-30 11:25:07 AM

Tman144: SlothB77: Is this the thread where we say republicans are terrorists for trying to control spending and prevent our country from bankrupting itself?

Right, republicans want to control spending. That's why they blew up the budget surplus the first chance they got.


There was no surplus.  That is a myth.  It was simply Clintonian accounting smoke and mirrors.
 
2013-09-30 11:25:40 AM
To think all this could have been avoided with sane taxation policy, an educated electorate and honest government.

Ok, yeah, I realize how much of a pipe dream that was after typing it out.
 
2013-09-30 11:25:52 AM

antidisestablishmentarianism: Yeah but remember, Bush wasn't a real fiscal conservative like every republican is now.


In all fairness, every Republican in US history up until 5-10 years ago isn't really like every republican now.  That party has swung so far to the extreme that even it's heroes like Reagan wouldn't recognize it.
 
2013-09-30 11:25:58 AM

FlashHarry: HindiDiscoMonster: How is that projecting? We don't negotiate with terrorists... That was my understanding of policy.

it seemed as if you were saying the democrats were the party of "no" instead of the GOP. if i misread your post, i apologize.


that would be like IMAX projection ^ 1000.... or like 120mm cinemascope or something... :P

/it's ok
 
2013-09-30 11:27:17 AM
I wonder how many republicans in Congress have taken short positions on many financial stocks and will shortly be making shiat-tons of money when they shut down the government.

One more accomplishment of the "Fark you, I got mine." crew.
 
2013-09-30 11:27:43 AM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Tman144: SlothB77: Is this the thread where we say republicans are terrorists for trying to control spending and prevent our country from bankrupting itself?

Right, republicans want to control spending. That's why they blew up the budget surplus the first chance they got.

Republicans only ever want to control spending when they're not the ones doing the spending.  They ran buck wild under George Bush when they had complete control.


We went to war.  That is a little different than spending money on pork.  Also, since we cut and ran from Iraq it is being overrun by al qaeda again, who is re-strengthening.  We saved money by getting out of Iraq ... until we get terrorized by Al Qaeda of Iraq.
 
2013-09-30 11:29:11 AM

Aristocles: How much you wanna bet that BOB takes the free time to play golf?


www.usga.org
 
2013-09-30 11:29:16 AM

SlothB77: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Tman144: SlothB77: Is this the thread where we say republicans are terrorists for trying to control spending and prevent our country from bankrupting itself?

Right, republicans want to control spending. That's why they blew up the budget surplus the first chance they got.

Republicans only ever want to control spending when they're not the ones doing the spending.  They ran buck wild under George Bush when they had complete control.

We went to war.  That is a little different than spending money on pork.  Also, since we cut and ran from Iraq it is being overrun by al qaeda again, who is re-strengthening.  We saved money by getting out of Iraq ... until we get terrorized by Al Qaeda of Iraq.


what is all this love for pork? shiat I love bacon as much as the next guy, but sometimes you have to eat a steak or some chicken or a nice swordfish steak... mmmm
 
2013-09-30 11:29:18 AM

I_C_Weener: James!: Democrats: We have to pay rent.
Republicans: I refuse to pay rent until you cancel your health insurance.
Democrats: What if we get sick?
Republicans: fark YOU! TREE OF LIBERTY!! CONSTITUTION!! SOCIALISM!!
Democrats: I want a new roommate.

Sorta.  Mine would be more along the lines of

Republicans:  I want to pay the rent, but you bought an insurance plan that we can't afford to pay AND pay rent.
Democrats:  We already bought it, quit whining.
Republicans:  Sorry.  We can't pay that and this and keep going this way.
Democrats:  Why not?  Its not our money.


I_C_Weener: James!: Democrats: We have to pay rent.
Republicans: I refuse to pay rent until you cancel your health insurance.
Democrats: What if we get sick?
Republicans: fark YOU! TREE OF LIBERTY!! CONSTITUTION!! SOCIALISM!!
Democrats: I want a new roommate.

Sorta.  Mine would be more along the lines of

Republicans:  I want to pay the rent, but you bought an insurance plan that we can't afford to pay AND pay rent.
Democrats:  We already bought it, quit whining.
Republicans:  Sorry.  We can't pay that and this and keep going this way.
Democrats:  Why not?  Its not our money.


If they want to pay the bills then why are they refusing to pay the bills. We've had this insurance plan for 3 years already.
 
2013-09-30 11:29:43 AM

SlothB77: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Tman144: SlothB77: Is this the thread where we say republicans are terrorists for trying to control spending and prevent our country from bankrupting itself?

Right, republicans want to control spending. That's why they blew up the budget surplus the first chance they got.

Republicans only ever want to control spending when they're not the ones doing the spending.  They ran buck wild under George Bush when they had complete control.

We went to war.  That is a little different than spending money on pork.  Also, since we cut and ran from Iraq it is being overrun by al qaeda again, who is re-strengthening.  We saved money by getting out of Iraq ... until we get terrorized by Al Qaeda of Iraq.


Yeah, I know I personally benefited from the Iraq War, and who really needs healthcare?
 
2013-09-30 11:29:44 AM

I_C_Weener: FlashHarry: I_C_Weener: What incentive is there to stop spending if the government will just increase its limit everytime?  None.

btw, it's clear that you and a great number of your ilk do not understand what the debt ceiling really is, so here's a primer:

The United States debt ceiling or debt limit is a legislative restriction on the amount of national debt that can be issued by the Treasury. Because expenditures are authorized by separate legislation, the debt ceiling does not actually restrict deficits. In effect, it can only restrain the Treasury from paying for expenditures that have already been incurred.(emphasis mine)

we can certainly discuss spending priorities. but not paying our bills is not an option.

Our spending never goes down.  The only tool available to stop it at this point is playing chicken.


Explain how that works, if you don't mind...
 
2013-09-30 11:30:20 AM
I_C_Weener:

you forgot to add:

Republicans: Oh, by the way, I've decided that we won't pay our credit card bills either.
Democrats: But you've been in charge of them for two years and bought a bunch of stuff!
Republicans: So?
Democrats: But that will destroy our credit rating, making it much more expensive to borrow money later!
Republicans: I don't care.
 
2013-09-30 11:30:21 AM

James!: I_C_Weener: James!: Democrats: We have to pay rent.
Republicans: I refuse to pay rent until you cancel your health insurance.
Democrats: What if we get sick?
Republicans: fark YOU! TREE OF LIBERTY!! CONSTITUTION!! SOCIALISM!!
Democrats: I want a new roommate.

Sorta.  Mine would be more along the lines of

Republicans:  I want to pay the rent, but you bought an insurance plan that we can't afford to pay AND pay rent.
Democrats:  We already bought it, quit whining.
Republicans:  Sorry.  We can't pay that and this and keep going this way.
Democrats:  Why not?  Its not our money.

I_C_Weener: James!: Democrats: We have to pay rent.
Republicans: I refuse to pay rent until you cancel your health insurance.
Democrats: What if we get sick?
Republicans: fark YOU! TREE OF LIBERTY!! CONSTITUTION!! SOCIALISM!!
Democrats: I want a new roommate.

Sorta.  Mine would be more along the lines of

Republicans:  I want to pay the rent, but you bought an insurance plan that we can't afford to pay AND pay rent.
Democrats:  We already bought it, quit whining.
Republicans:  Sorry.  We can't pay that and this and keep going this way.
Democrats:  Why not?  Its not our money.

If they want to pay the bills then why are they refusing to pay the bills. We've had this insurance plan for 3 years already.


double post punchbuggy!
you owe me a coke.
 
2013-09-30 11:30:31 AM

FlashHarry: SlothB77: Is this the thread where we say republicans are terrorists for trying to control spending and prevent our country from bankrupting itself?

no, it's the one where you threadshiat and leave, like you always do.

but just in case you're interested:

• the GOP is threatening to let america default on its debt obligations if its political demands aren't met.
• this will cause massive harm to the US and global economies.
• by definition, this is terrorism.

so, yes, i suppose you're right.


We heard the same fear mongering about the Sequester.  then, during the heart of the sequester, the Dow Jones and S&P hit all-time record highs for about 13 or 14 straight days.  And several more all time record highs in the following month or two.  They hit new all time record highs about a week and a half ago.  No one buys this garbage anymore.  You have cried wolf too many times now.
 
2013-09-30 11:30:54 AM

SlothB77: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Tman144: SlothB77: Is this the thread where we say republicans are terrorists for trying to control spending and prevent our country from bankrupting itself?

Right, republicans want to control spending. That's why they blew up the budget surplus the first chance they got.

Republicans only ever want to control spending when they're not the ones doing the spending.  They ran buck wild under George Bush when they had complete control.

We went to war.  That is a little different than spending money on pork.  Also, since we cut and ran from Iraq it is being overrun by al qaeda again, who is re-strengthening.  We saved money by getting out of Iraq ... until we get terrorized by Al Qaeda of Iraq.


Lol.   Georgie and Dickie threw money at their rich friends with both hands.  They robbed the taxpayer to give vast amounts to corporate interests.
 
2013-09-30 11:31:24 AM
SlothB: We went to war.  That is a little different than spending money on pork.

 I guess I can always consider no-bid government contracts for Halliburton "ham" - still not kosher, tho.
 
2013-09-30 11:32:16 AM

I_C_Weener: The only tool available to stop it at this point is playing chicken.


this is correct

congress is enumerated with both the borrowing power and the spending power so the only possible way to reduce the amount of borrowing is to play chicken with the executive who has no enumerated power to change either of them and risk putting the country into a constitutional crisis that could cause significant financial ruin

i mean it is so simple dems why do you not get this

also you dems may be thinking 'playing chicken' like two opposing vehicles approaching each other as a metaphor for a test of will but of course chicken is actually played by tying one person to a track (in this case america) and demanding another person explain what's in it for you to try to convince you to hit the brakes

look it up, libs
 
2013-09-30 11:32:30 AM

James!: I_C_Weener: James!: Democrats: We have to pay rent.
Republicans: I refuse to pay rent until you cancel your health insurance.
Democrats: What if we get sick?
Republicans: fark YOU! TREE OF LIBERTY!! CONSTITUTION!! SOCIALISM!!
Democrats: I want a new roommate.

Sorta.  Mine would be more along the lines of

Republicans:  I want to pay the rent, but you bought an insurance plan that we can't afford to pay AND pay rent.
Democrats:  We already bought it, quit whining.
Republicans:  Sorry.  We can't pay that and this and keep going this way.
Democrats:  Why not?  Its not our money.

I_C_Weener: James!: Democrats: We have to pay rent.
Republicans: I refuse to pay rent until you cancel your health insurance.
Democrats: What if we get sick?
Republicans: fark YOU! TREE OF LIBERTY!! CONSTITUTION!! SOCIALISM!!
Democrats: I want a new roommate.

Sorta.  Mine would be more along the lines of

Republicans:  I want to pay the rent, but you bought an insurance plan that we can't afford to pay AND pay rent.
Democrats:  We already bought it, quit whining.
Republicans:  Sorry.  We can't pay that and this and keep going this way.
Democrats:  Why not?  Its not our money.

If they want to pay the bills then why are they refusing to pay the bills. We've had this insurance plan for 3 years already.


Because neither side worked it out before this.  They tried the sequester.  It didn't work...though it wasn't the disaster one side pretended it would be.

This isn't there first attempt.

But yes, the Obamacare thing is ridiculous...for lots of reasons.  But you wanted to put it in nice Abbot and Costello routine, so I obliged.  :)
 
2013-09-30 11:32:42 AM

I_C_Weener: FlashHarry: I_C_Weener: What incentive is there to stop spending if the government will just increase its limit everytime?  None.

btw, it's clear that you and a great number of your ilk do not understand what the debt ceiling really is, so here's a primer:

The United States debt ceiling or debt limit is a legislative restriction on the amount of national debt that can be issued by the Treasury. Because expenditures are authorized by separate legislation, the debt ceiling does not actually restrict deficits. In effect, it can only restrain the Treasury from paying for expenditures that have already been incurred.(emphasis mine)

we can certainly discuss spending priorities. but not paying our bills is not an option.

Our spending never goes down.  The only tool available to stop it at this point is playing chicken.


Well, first and foremost, we're on our way towards a deficit reduction.

But you also have to consider that this is the obvious result of a representative form of government. As the population grows, so must representation and supporting staff.

But also consider this: a large government isn't inherently bad. A small government isn't inherently good. Instead of focusing on size - we should be focusing on efficacy.
 
2013-09-30 11:33:05 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: double post punchbuggy!
you owe me a coke.


I can't give you a coke over the internet.  Have some TF.
 
2013-09-30 11:33:56 AM

I_C_Weener: Our spending never goes down.  The only tool available to stop it at this point is playing chicken.


that only works if somebody blinks.

the dems won't blink (nor should they - obamacare is the law of the land and has been voted on, signed, upheld as constitutional and reaffirmed by an election).

and the tea party won't blink.

so where does that leave us?
 
2013-09-30 11:33:57 AM

Aristocles: How much you wanna bet that BOB takes the free time to play golf?


Is golf more evil than clearing brush on a ranch? Is there a Scale of Evilness for Presidential Leiusure Activities we could refer to?
 
2013-09-30 11:34:29 AM

James!: HindiDiscoMonster: double post punchbuggy!
you owe me a coke.

I can't give you a coke over the internet.  Have some TF.


LOL... thanks
 
2013-09-30 11:34:37 AM

I_C_Weener: This isn't there first attempt.

But yes, the Obamacare thing is ridiculous...for lots of reasons.  But you wanted to put it in nice Abbot and Costello routine, so I obliged.  :)


James!: Who is the House Majority Leader.
I_C_Weener: THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING YOU!!
 
2013-09-30 11:35:51 AM
SlothB77: We heard the same fear mongering about the Sequester.  then, during the heart of the sequester, the Dow Jones and S&P hit all-time record highs for about 13 or 14 straight days.  And several more all time record highs in the following month or two.  They hit new all time record highs about a week and a half ago.  No one buys this garbage anymore.  You have cried wolf too many times now.

Oh! I GET it!  As long as wall street and investors are okay, we don't need to fund the government on time while zealots try to kill health care law.

"I got mine"?
 
2013-09-30 11:35:55 AM
I predict lots of frustrated runners and cyclists on the DC and NoVA paths tomorrow. And I've seen tweets asking about the best 'non-essential happy hour' specials around town. Knowing my team at the Pentagon, those activities aren't mutually exclusive.
 
2013-09-30 11:36:04 AM

SlothB77: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Tman144: SlothB77: Is this the thread where we say republicans are terrorists for trying to control spending and prevent our country from bankrupting itself?

Right, republicans want to control spending. That's why they blew up the budget surplus the first chance they got.

Republicans only ever want to control spending when they're not the ones doing the spending.  They ran buck wild under George Bush when they had complete control.

We went to war.  That is a little different than spending money on pork.  Also, since we cut and ran from Iraq it is being overrun by al qaeda again, who is re-strengthening.  We saved money by getting out of Iraq ... until we get terrorized by Al Qaeda of Iraq.


So I guess we never should have invaded Iraq in the first place.
 
2013-09-30 11:36:39 AM

djRykoSuave: cwolf20: Meh.. when ObamaCare decides to do something crazy and actually allow a friend's pre-existing condition to be covered, then maybe I'll care.

Until then, it's just another medical plan that won't help with the hundred thousand minimum testing bills followed by the over 300,000 in bills for the actual fix.  Resulting in her being able to drive down the road without randomly being temporarily paralyzed from the waist down.  She even has the joys and wonders of knowing that some day she will be permanently paralyzed from the waist down.

(Ah, medical profession friends who like other medical profession people get advanced copies of all the revisions to any new health policies/laws/regulations)

I feel like this was meant to be coherent..........?


It was, I understood it. I didn't even need caffeine
 
2013-09-30 11:36:40 AM

SlothB77: We heard the same fear mongering about the Sequester.


no, you heard that the sequester would harm the economy. which is true. it is harming the economy.

defaulting on the debt, however, is different. it won't just harm the economy, it runs the risk of decimating the economy. just flirting with it in 2011 caused our credit rating to be downgraded and billions of dollars to disappear from the markets.

do you think that destroying the economy is a good idea?
 
2013-09-30 11:37:04 AM

SlothB77: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Tman144: SlothB77: Is this the thread where we say republicans are terrorists for trying to control spending and prevent our country from bankrupting itself?

Right, republicans want to control spending. That's why they blew up the budget surplus the first chance they got.

Republicans only ever want to control spending when they're not the ones doing the spending.  They ran buck wild under George Bush when they had complete control.

We went to war.  That is a little different than spending money on pork.  Also, since we cut and ran from Iraq it is being overrun by al qaeda again, who is re-strengthening.  We saved money by getting out of Iraq ... until we get terrorized by Al Qaeda of Iraq.


I was told that the Mission was Accomplished way back in 2003.
 
2013-09-30 11:37:59 AM

FlashHarry: I_C_Weener: Our spending never goes down.  The only tool available to stop it at this point is playing chicken.

that only works if somebody blinks.

the dems won't blink (nor should they - obamacare is the law of the land and has been voted on, signed, upheld as constitutional and reaffirmed by an election).

and the tea party won't blink.

so where does that leave us?


Shutdown.  I give it 5-7 days.
 
2013-09-30 11:39:26 AM

cwolf20: djRykoSuave: cwolf20: Meh.. when ObamaCare decides to do something crazy and actually allow a friend's pre-existing condition to be covered, then maybe I'll care.

Until then, it's just another medical plan that won't help with the hundred thousand minimum testing bills followed by the over 300,000 in bills for the actual fix.  Resulting in her being able to drive down the road without randomly being temporarily paralyzed from the waist down.  She even has the joys and wonders of knowing that some day she will be permanently paralyzed from the waist down.

(Ah, medical profession friends who like other medical profession people get advanced copies of all the revisions to any new health policies/laws/regulations)

I feel like this was meant to be coherent..........?

It was, I understood it. I didn't even need caffeine


This is your brain on cwolf20...
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-09-30 11:40:29 AM

006deluxe: I was told that the Mission was Accomplished way back in 2003.


haven't you heard? the republicans have disowned bush. in fact, i saw somewhere that 25 percent of them blame the botched katrina response on obama.
 
2013-09-30 11:42:44 AM

Aristocles: How much you wanna bet that BOB takes the free time to play golf?


Who is Bob?
 
2013-09-30 11:44:03 AM
Aristocles: Go ahead, defend the man that's holding America hostage!

Well - okay - orange isn't really that bad a color and, really, who doesn't tear up now and then? As for the drinking, i would probably, too, having to be Speaker of the House.
 
2013-09-30 11:44:30 AM

Aristocles: jayhawk88: Aristocles: How much you wanna bet that BOB takes the free time to play golf?

Is golf more evil than clearing brush on a ranch? Is there a Scale of Evilness for Presidential Leiusure Activities we could refer to?

Clearing brush on a ranch is maintenance, not leisure. BOB pretending to be a golfer is just more buffoonery from an amateur "leader."

Go ahead, defend the man that's holding America hostage!


I actually started reading this and thought it was some other poster mocking you before I saw your name. I'm not sure whether that's a sign of a "good troll" or "bad troll".
 
2013-09-30 11:44:46 AM

FlashHarry: 006deluxe: I was told that the Mission was Accomplished way back in 2003.

haven't you heard? the republicans have disowned bush. in fact, i saw somewhere that 25 percent of them blame the botched katrina response on obama.


If there were no other data upon which to describe the far right as delusional racists, that statistic alone would be enough.

Thankfully, we're up to our necks in their bullshiat.
 
2013-09-30 11:45:55 AM

Aristocles: How much you wanna bet that BOB takes the free time to play golf?


I saw that on facebook too.
 
2013-09-30 11:48:10 AM

SlothB77: Tman144: SlothB77: Is this the thread where we say republicans are terrorists for trying to control spending and prevent our country from bankrupting itself?

Right, republicans want to control spending. That's why they blew up the budget surplus the first chance they got.

There was no surplus.  That is a myth.  It was simply Clintonian accounting smoke and mirrors.


Um...no.
 
2013-09-30 11:48:44 AM

006deluxe: Aristocles: jayhawk88: Aristocles: How much you wanna bet that BOB takes the free time to play golf?

Is golf more evil than clearing brush on a ranch? Is there a Scale of Evilness for Presidential Leiusure Activities we could refer to?

Clearing brush on a ranch is maintenance, not leisure. BOB pretending to be a golfer is just more buffoonery from an amateur "leader."

Go ahead, defend the man that's holding America hostage!

I actually started reading this and thought it was some other poster mocking you before I saw your name. I'm not sure whether that's a sign of a "good troll" or "bad troll".


Go with "not-yet-ready-for-prime-time troll".  This is his new alt, and he hasn't quite found his feet yet.  He used to be funny in a kind of goofy way, but he's gotten some tips from old hands, and has gone well into deep derp territory.  Kind of like a kid who takes his first plunge into the deep end of the pool, he's floundering a bit.

And yes, he has admitted publicly that this is his troll alt.
 
2013-09-30 11:49:58 AM

Kuroshin: 006deluxe: Aristocles: jayhawk88: Aristocles: How much you wanna bet that BOB takes the free time to play golf?

Is golf more evil than clearing brush on a ranch? Is there a Scale of Evilness for Presidential Leiusure Activities we could refer to?

Clearing brush on a ranch is maintenance, not leisure. BOB pretending to be a golfer is just more buffoonery from an amateur "leader."

Go ahead, defend the man that's holding America hostage!

I actually started reading this and thought it was some other poster mocking you before I saw your name. I'm not sure whether that's a sign of a "good troll" or "bad troll".

Go with "not-yet-ready-for-prime-time troll".  This is his new alt, and he hasn't quite found his feet yet.  He used to be funny in a kind of goofy way, but he's gotten some tips from old hands, and has gone well into deep derp territory.  Kind of like a kid who takes his first plunge into the deep end of the pool, he's floundering a bit.

And yes, he has admitted publicly that this is his troll alt.


hmmmm... flounder troll.... I think I have a new label... thanks. :)
 
2013-09-30 11:50:38 AM
JusticeandIndependence:

Who is Bob?

Bob Dole.  But what he has to do with all this, I have no idea.
 
2013-09-30 11:52:14 AM
If the government shuts down I hope the Dems are smart enough to submit a one page bill EVERY DAY (or more frequently if possible) that simply states that the government will be funded for the next few months (or year).  In other words a bill that does nothing more than stop the shutdown.

Then I will pray the Republicans will do what is right for the US people and the economy...instead of just watching the place burn and laughing.

I give it about 50/50.
 
2013-09-30 11:52:50 AM

sprawl15: Kuroshin: sprawl15: James!: SlothB77: Is this the thread where we say republicans are terrorists for trying to control spending and prevent our country from bankrupting itself?

This is the equivalent of saying "We need to save money, stop paying our bills".

skip meals to save money for food

No, it's not skipping a meal to save money on food.  It's eating the meal, then skipping out on the check.

The TeaTards want to dine-and-dash.

oh ok


If you don't have the money in the first place, don't eat the food.
 
2013-09-30 11:54:36 AM

SlothB77: If you don't have the money in the first place, don't eat the food.


Do you mean "order" the food or have you just never eaten somewhere that isn't a buffet?
 
2013-09-30 11:54:47 AM

Voiceofreason01: parasol: hasty ambush: We should see this as an opportunity.  Only essential government workers/services  will continue and that gives us a starting point for our budget and where to cut.


  As someone who was once deemed "essential personnel" with "non essential staff" let me disagree. Essential generally means "you have to stay during a crisis (ie a shutdown, a hurricane) and do your work with no support".

  Or - if this helps?  In the traditional nuclear family, Mom, Dad and two kids - only one parent is really essential.

  It really isn't the opportunity you might picture.

Also things like Passport services, custodial staff for Gov't buildings, most of the national weather service staff and a lot of other things that you are going to miss are not "essential"


Last shutdown was for 28 days we got along fine.
 
2013-09-30 11:55:31 AM

ManateeGag: JusticeandIndependence:

Who is Bob?

Bob Dole.  But what he has to do with all this, I have no idea.


At first I thought he was talking about Bob Kane, but then I realized he was dead... so then I thought, ok maybe it's Bob Weir and I just couldn't figure out what the greatful dead would have to do with this till I realize that Socrates was famous for saying "I drank what?" and then it all became clear... The poison that socrates took would have caused him to hallucinate, very much like Bob Weir during songwriting sessions.
 
2013-09-30 11:56:27 AM

Aristocles: jayhawk88: Aristocles: How much you wanna bet that BOB takes the free time to play golf?

Is golf more evil than clearing brush on a ranch? Is there a Scale of Evilness for Presidential Leiusure Activities we could refer to?

Clearing brush on a ranch is maintenance, not leisure. BOB pretending to be a golfer is just more buffoonery from an amateur "leader."

Go ahead, defend the man that's holding America hostage!


What about the caddy who has the opportunity to work for Obama while golfing? How many jobs were lost when President Bush insisted on maintaining his brush for the 1000+ vacation days he took?
 
2013-09-30 11:58:21 AM

Tman144: SlothB77: Is this the thread where we say republicans are terrorists for trying to control spending and prevent our country from bankrupting itself?

Right, republicans want to control spending. That's why they blew up the budget surplus the first chance they got.


You guys talk like if the house wasn't controlled by a Republican majority, the democrats would spend frugally.  But we all know a Washington with democratic majorities in both branches would produce the kind of social largesse that would make Greece blush.  The Republicans in the house are the reason spending is being controlled to the extent it is under Obama.
 
2013-09-30 12:00:05 PM

SlothB77: You guys talk like if the house wasn't controlled by a Republican majority, the democrats would spend frugally.  But we all know a Washington with democratic majorities in both branches would produce the kind of social largesse that would make Greece blush.  The Republicans in the house are the reason spending is being controlled to the extent it is under Obama


So the Republicans are shutting down the government for our own good?
 
2013-09-30 12:03:02 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-09-30 12:03:43 PM

DeaH: cman: DeaH: It's not negotiation unless both sides want opposite things. The Democrats want to avoid hurting the economy, so they want to raise the debt ceiling. If the Republicans think that's negotiable, then they want to harm the American economy. If that's what they want, who wants to give them anything?

They don't believe it will hurt the economy

It certainly hurt the economy the last time they didn't automatically raise the debt ceiling. The Republicans, as a whole, just cannot be that stupid, but, if they really are, then the Democrats only response can be a demand for the mass resignation of all Republicans.



Raise the debt ceiling but get some fiscal responsibility behind it.  Democrats just want government with a blank check and they are willing to wreck thing to get it.  The Democrats are the ones who should resign


Last shutdown was for 28 days and according to BBC radio this morning it was a pinprick on the overall  economy.
 
2013-09-30 12:05:20 PM

hasty ambush: DeaH: cman: DeaH: It's not negotiation unless both sides want opposite things. The Democrats want to avoid hurting the economy, so they want to raise the debt ceiling. If the Republicans think that's negotiable, then they want to harm the American economy. If that's what they want, who wants to give them anything?

They don't believe it will hurt the economy

It certainly hurt the economy the last time they didn't automatically raise the debt ceiling. The Republicans, as a whole, just cannot be that stupid, but, if they really are, then the Democrats only response can be a demand for the mass resignation of all Republicans.


Raise the debt ceiling but get some fiscal responsibility behind it.  Democrats just want government with a blank check and they are willing to wreck thing to get it.  The Democrats are the ones who should resign


Last shutdown was for 28 days and according to BBC radio this morning it was a pinprick on the overall  economy.


Context is important. What sort of state was the economy in to begin with at that point?
 
2013-09-30 12:05:48 PM

Soup4Bonnie: SlothB77: You guys talk like if the house wasn't controlled by a Republican majority, the democrats would spend frugally.  But we all know a Washington with democratic majorities in both branches would produce the kind of social largesse that would make Greece blush.  The Republicans in the house are the reason spending is being controlled to the extent it is under Obama

So the Republicans are shutting down the government for our own good?


they didn't want to hit us, but it was for our own good.
 
2013-09-30 12:06:06 PM

sprawl15: SlothB77: If you don't have the money in the first place, don't eat the food.

Do you mean "order" the food or have you just never eaten somewhere that isn't a buffet?


because the GOP makes a big deal out of it, people who don't normally pay attention to this political budget stuff - and politics doesn't get any less sexy or interesting than budget debates - are saying to themselves at home 'boy, they sure do raise the debt limit a lot.  that is a pretty big number.'
 
2013-09-30 12:07:30 PM

hasty ambush: Voiceofreason01: parasol: hasty ambush: We should see this as an opportunity.  Only essential government workers/services  will continue and that gives us a starting point for our budget and where to cut.


  As someone who was once deemed "essential personnel" with "non essential staff" let me disagree. Essential generally means "you have to stay during a crisis (ie a shutdown, a hurricane) and do your work with no support".

  Or - if this helps?  In the traditional nuclear family, Mom, Dad and two kids - only one parent is really essential.

  It really isn't the opportunity you might picture.

Also things like Passport services, custodial staff for Gov't buildings, most of the national weather service staff and a lot of other things that you are going to miss are not "essential"

Last shutdown was for 28 days we got along fine.


No. We didn't. Some staff worked, unpaid, in order to keep some services intact.

We're also kind of in the middle of cleaning up disasters like the Colorado flooding.
 
2013-09-30 12:10:35 PM

SlothB77: Tman144: SlothB77: Is this the thread where we say republicans are terrorists for trying to control spending and prevent our country from bankrupting itself?

Right, republicans want to control spending. That's why they blew up the budget surplus the first chance they got.

You guys talk like if the house wasn't controlled by a Republican majority, the democrats would spend frugally.  But we all know a Washington with democratic majorities in both branches would produce the kind of social largesse that would make Greece blush.  The Republicans in the house are the reason spending is being controlled to the extent it is under Obama.


Ah so you're also opposed to recent history, too. Whenever you see the spend by party from Carter onward - do you just burrow your head? How do you reconcile your imaginary world with reality?
 
2013-09-30 12:11:19 PM
Well, the markets are reeling globally already.

The last shut down in the 90s lowered American GDP by half a percentage point before it was resolved and the US economy is not in as good shape now as it was then.

Also the global markets then didn't have the cautionary example we have now of the last time the GOP held the debt ceiling bill hostage in the back of their minds.

This could get very ugly indeed.
 
2013-09-30 12:13:32 PM
Dear Republicans:
michaelgraham.com

i1.ytimg.com
GOVERNMENT DOES NOT WORK THIS WAY. TAKE BACK THE SENATE AND WHITE HOUSE AND THEN REPEAL THE ACA. OR PROPOSE AN ALTERNATIVE WHICH IS NOT THE EXACT SAME BILL (BUT SUBMITTED BY YOU). UNTIL THEN STFU AND GBTW.

/is the ACA perfect? No. Single-payer would have been better. But the ACA is better than nothing.
//end rant
 
2013-09-30 12:13:52 PM
Hasty Ambush: Raise the debt ceiling but get some fiscal responsibility behind it.  Democrats just want government with a blank check and they are willing to wreck thing to get it

yes because the democrats alone approve spending and the budget to cover it.
and also because raising the debt ceiling is JUST like cutting costs to the budget

 a "pinprick" the US economy is how much? is it more or less than the 2 billion it costs JUST to shut the government down?  those pinpricks? they do add up

still waiting for the total cost of attempts to repeal the ACA - LOTS of pinpricks there
 
2013-09-30 12:14:59 PM

SlothB77: Tman144: SlothB77: Is this the thread where we say republicans are terrorists for trying to control spending and prevent our country from bankrupting itself?

Right, republicans want to control spending. That's why they blew up the budget surplus the first chance they got.

You guys talk like if the house wasn't controlled by a Republican majority, the democrats would spend frugally.  But we all know a Washington with democratic majorities in both branches would produce the kind of social largesse that would make Greece blush.  The Republicans in the house are the reason spending is being controlled to the extent it is under Obama.


You know that. Because you made it up.

In reality Democrats tend to spend less than Republicans. Increase the debt to use as leverage against programs we don't like is a stated GOP strategy since Reagan.
 
2013-09-30 12:16:12 PM

quatchi: This could get very ugly indeed.


It's already ugly.

"Because of the uncertainty of budget constraints and a possible government shutdown, the 1457th [Engineer Battalion] will transport vehicles and equipment to work sites and then return to Utah. Once funding issues have been resolved, which is anticipated to be the first week of October, approximately 120 soldiers of the 1457th will return to Colorado to complete their mission," the Utah National Guard said in a statement released late Tuesday.

John Boehner asks that you hold off any more disasters until they sort out this whole financing the government thingie. Disaster relief needs to be appropriated. Thanks bunches!
 
2013-09-30 12:19:26 PM

Bontesla: hasty ambush: Voiceofreason01: parasol: hasty ambush: We should see this as an opportunity.  Only essential government workers/services  will continue and that gives us a starting point for our budget and where to cut.


  As someone who was once deemed "essential personnel" with "non essential staff" let me disagree. Essential generally means "you have to stay during a crisis (ie a shutdown, a hurricane) and do your work with no support".

  Or - if this helps?  In the traditional nuclear family, Mom, Dad and two kids - only one parent is really essential.

  It really isn't the opportunity you might picture.

Also things like Passport services, custodial staff for Gov't buildings, most of the national weather service staff and a lot of other things that you are going to miss are not "essential"

Last shutdown was for 28 days we got along fine.

No. We didn't. Some staff worked, unpaid, in order to keep some services intact.

We're also kind of in the middle of cleaning up disasters like the Colorado flooding.


I'll be working.  The people that send my checks won't though.  So that's always lovely.  Not sure what's better, not working and run the risk of no backpay, or work and have the same financial issues + gas and everything else with no opportunity to make some of that money back (was going to carpool students to and from the private school my exchange student goes to for like 50 bucks a week per person), and then have everyone get backpay so no vacation for me.

And who knows what will happen to my wife's family.  Her brother is supposed to become a us citizen I think Friday and she has some sort of fingerprint interview to get closer to hers mid oct.
 
2013-09-30 12:20:34 PM

hasty ambush: Last shutdown was for 28 days and according to BBC radio this morning it was a pinprick on the overall economy.


First, the 28 days was cumulative between two separate shutdowns, one of 6 days, and one of 22 days.

Second, the longer shutdown mostly overlapped the Christmas/New Year holiday season, when many government workers wouldn't have been in the office anyway.  They just didn't get paid.

I wouldn't use that as an absolute analogue for what a prolonged shutdown might mean now.
 
2013-09-30 12:21:56 PM

Soup4Bonnie: John Boehner asks that you hold off any more disasters until they sort out this whole financing the government thingie. Disaster relief needs to be appropriated. Thanks bunches!


okie dokie.  My earthquake machine will be off until you guys figure stuff out.  Then it's FULL POWER!
 
2013-09-30 12:22:47 PM

HindiDiscoMonster: cwolf20


Shh.  My influence spreads faster if people aren't warned
 
2013-09-30 12:23:59 PM

Aristocles: I've done no such thing, and I defy anyone to prove otherwise.


Google made advanced search tougher. Not that I care enough to spend the time looking up your posts on Fark.
 
2013-09-30 12:25:07 PM

SlothB77: That is a little different than spending money on pork


Halliiburton and KBR lined their pockets on that debacle quite nicely, thank you very much,.
 
2013-09-30 12:26:15 PM
Kuroshin: I_C_Weener: FlashHarry: I_C_Weener: What incentive is there to stop spending if the government will just increase its limit everytime?  None.

btw, it's clear that you and a great number of your ilk do not understand what the debt ceiling really is, so here's a primer:

The United States debt ceiling or debt limit is a legislative restriction on the amount of national debt that can be issued by the Treasury. Because expenditures are authorized by separate legislation, the debt ceiling does not actually restrict deficits. In effect, it can only restrain the Treasury from paying for expenditures that have already been incurred.(emphasis mine)

we can certainly discuss spending priorities. but not paying our bills is not an option.

Our spending never goes down.  The only tool available to stop it at this point is playing chicken.

Explain how that works, if you don't mind...


Still waiting...

/color me shocked
 
2013-09-30 12:27:00 PM
Two things:

Remember the credit rating for the UNITED STATES getting slashed the last time they pulled this shiat? To cause the credit rating of a first world country that seems to be the fiscal backbone of the planet slashed seems to be a rather bad idea.

Also, I'm still in the dark as to why 'tax and spend' seems to be a bad idea. I haven't heard any compelling reason why this /isn't/ the case.
 
2013-09-30 12:27:47 PM

Aristocles: fight back against a tyrant like BOB.


Bob the Tyrant.  Sounds good, where is this Bob guy?
 
2013-09-30 12:29:36 PM
Is it strange to think we could buy a couple less jet fighters and the ACA would be paid for?
 
2013-09-30 12:31:40 PM
FunkyBlue: s it strange to think we could buy a couple less jet fighters and the ACA would be paid for?

no more than the agreement to do away with the medical device tax portion of the ACA - which was intended to help make it self-supporting.
 
2013-09-30 12:32:01 PM

Aristocles: Paris1127: Dear Republicans:
[michaelgraham.com image 526x471]

[i1.ytimg.com image 480x360]
GOVERNMENT DOES NOT WORK THIS WAY. TAKE BACK THE SENATE AND WHITE HOUSE AND THEN REPEAL THE ACA. OR PROPOSE AN ALTERNATIVE WHICH IS NOT THE EXACT SAME BILL (BUT SUBMITTED BY YOU). UNTIL THEN STFU AND GBTW.

/is the ACA perfect? No. Single-payer would have been better. But the ACA is better than nothing.
//end rant

Actually, this is exactly how the FOUNDING Fathers wanted the United States of AMERICA's government to work. They wanted to make it as hard as possible for the central gov't to inflict anti-Freedom, repressive laws. This is just the first time you've seen the government exploiting all of its tools to fight back against a tyrant like BOB.


Actually the first time a party went all in on using the house to wreck the budget to get their way it was Democrats demanding an end to a prolonged and unpopular military occupation which they saw as illegal.

/A little more justifiable than a bit of regulatory faff, I guess.
 
2013-09-30 12:32:42 PM
Why are troll alts permitted to continue posting their tripe in political threads?

There is literally no discourse being offered in Fark anymore because the mods won't nut up and IP ban some of these asshats who keep changing their nicks and posting the same tired talking points.
 
2013-09-30 12:34:32 PM

BudTheSpud: Why are troll alts permitted to continue posting their tripe in political threads?

There is literally no discourse being offered in Fark anymore because the mods won't nut up and IP ban some of these asshats who keep changing their nicks and posting the same tired talking points.


Welcome to Fark. It's not about discourse or news; it's about making Drew beer money.

/this is why I only get sponsored for TF
 
2013-09-30 12:34:59 PM

wood0366: Remember the credit rating for the UNITED STATES getting slashed the last time they pulled this shiat?


While they are gearing up for it, this is not the fight over the debt ceiling yet.  This is still over the continued funding of the government since Congress hasn't been able to pass a budget since Obama took office.

Rumours are that the House will let a continuing resolution pass at the last minute, but load up the fight over the debt ceiling with everything they've ever wanted for Christmas in the hopes that they can get Obama to negotiate before the Treasury defaults on 10/17.
 
2013-09-30 12:36:04 PM

wxboy: hasty ambush: Last shutdown was for 28 days and according to BBC radio this morning it was a pinprick on the overall economy.

First, the 28 days was cumulative between two separate shutdowns, one of 6 days, and one of 22 days.

Second, the longer shutdown mostly overlapped the Christmas/New Year holiday season, when many government workers wouldn't have been in the office anyway.  They just didn't get paid.

I wouldn't use that as an absolute analogue for what a prolonged shutdown might mean now.


We should also note that during that shutdown - 3 appropriations bills had already passed. The shutdown did not affect the items already funded in those bills.
 
2013-09-30 12:39:15 PM

hammer85: Bontesla: hasty ambush: Voiceofreason01: parasol: hasty ambush: We should see this as an opportunity.  Only essential government workers/services  will continue and that gives us a starting point for our budget and where to cut.


  As someone who was once deemed "essential personnel" with "non essential staff" let me disagree. Essential generally means "you have to stay during a crisis (ie a shutdown, a hurricane) and do your work with no support".

  Or - if this helps?  In the traditional nuclear family, Mom, Dad and two kids - only one parent is really essential.

  It really isn't the opportunity you might picture.

Also things like Passport services, custodial staff for Gov't buildings, most of the national weather service staff and a lot of other things that you are going to miss are not "essential"

Last shutdown was for 28 days we got along fine.

No. We didn't. Some staff worked, unpaid, in order to keep some services intact.

We're also kind of in the middle of cleaning up disasters like the Colorado flooding.

I'll be working.  The people that send my checks won't though.  So that's always lovely.  Not sure what's better, not working and run the risk of no backpay, or work and have the same financial issues + gas and everything else with no opportunity to make some of that money back (was going to carpool students to and from the private school my exchange student goes to for like 50 bucks a week per person), and then have everyone get backpay so no vacation for me.

And who knows what will happen to my wife's family.  Her brother is supposed to become a us citizen I think Friday and she has some sort of fingerprint interview to get closer to hers mid oct.


Even if the kind folks who work the payroll volunteer their services - the debt ceiling debate is only weeks away. Your potential for pay will likely end right there.
 
2013-09-30 12:39:22 PM
Voiceofreason01:

Also things like Passport services, custodial staff for Gov't buildings, most of the national weather service staff and a lot of other things that you are going to miss are not "essential"

I am willing to bet all those things, just with like Social Security, can be done with fewer people that currently assigned.  It is interesting how technology has allowed the private sector to reduce  the number of people performing administrative functions  bookkeepers, secretarial /typing pools, file clerks  etc.  but not so for government-why is that?    And I am not particularly upset that government employees might have to take out their own trash.

More Americans work for the government [22.5 million]  than work in construction, farming, fishing, forestry, manufacturing, mining and utilities combined. . Nearly half of the $2.2 trillion cost of state and local governments [FY2010] is the $1 trillion-a-year tab for pay and benefits of state and local employees. Imagine what it is on the Federal level.

Lets us look at a few things

The Dept. of Agriculture has besides a Secretary has a Deputy Secretary and 7 Under Secretaries (all of whom have personal staffs) along with  20 other agencies/services and "corporations".. Many of which overlap functions  done by  Depts of State, Commerce, Interior, HUD and HHS.

The Department of Defense is even worse with 36 Assistant, Deputy Secretaries, and Directors.  This is not even counting what eh Depts of the Army , Navy and Air Force have.

Want to look at Homeland Security and  HHS?

Go ahead and argue that we don't have a lot of excess overhead in government.
 
2013-09-30 12:39:46 PM

Peki: BudTheSpud: Why are troll alts permitted to continue posting their tripe in political threads?

There is literally no discourse being offered in Fark anymore because the mods won't nut up and IP ban some of these asshats who keep changing their nicks and posting the same tired talking points.

Welcome to Fark. It's not about discourse or news; it's about making Drew beer money.

/this is why I only get sponsored for TF


I've been a Farker since 2001 or so, and it's been the same old song and dance. It's pathetic really.  I'd rather post in an unmoderated area like 4chan and get more honest opinion in there than some of the paid shills that spam their bullshiat through their many alt accounts here.
 
2013-09-30 12:40:47 PM

Soup4Bonnie: Rumours are that the House will let a continuing resolution pass at the last minute, but load up the fight over the debt ceiling with everything they've ever wanted for Christmas in the hopes that they can get Obama to negotiate before the Treasury defaults on 10/17.


That was my thinking.  There's nothing to be gained by a shutdown, especially when they can avoid it and fight again in two weeks.
 
2013-09-30 12:43:39 PM

BudTheSpud: Peki: BudTheSpud: Why are troll alts permitted to continue posting their tripe in political threads?

There is literally no discourse being offered in Fark anymore because the mods won't nut up and IP ban some of these asshats who keep changing their nicks and posting the same tired talking points.

Welcome to Fark. It's not about discourse or news; it's about making Drew beer money.

/this is why I only get sponsored for TF

I've been a Farker since 2001 or so, and it's been the same old song and dance. It's pathetic really.  I'd rather post in an unmoderated area like 4chan and get more honest opinion in there than some of the paid shills that spam their bullshiat through their many alt accounts here.


*shrug* I've never liked 4chan. But there's the door. You're welcome to walk through it.
 
2013-09-30 12:44:13 PM

BudTheSpud: Why are troll alts permitted to continue posting their tripe in political threads?

There is literally no discourse being offered in Fark anymore because the mods won't nut up and IP ban some of these asshats who keep changing their nicks and posting the same tired talking points.


A lot of the trolling is from the mods themselves.
 
2013-09-30 12:45:36 PM

Wooly Bully: BudTheSpud: Why are troll alts permitted to continue posting their tripe in political threads?

There is literally no discourse being offered in Fark anymore because the mods won't nut up and IP ban some of these asshats who keep changing their nicks and posting the same tired talking points.

A lot of the trolling is from the mods themselves.


I've been getting that impression lately myself.  that makes it even sadder.
 
2013-09-30 12:45:50 PM

born_yesterday: Soup4Bonnie: Rumours are that the House will let a continuing resolution pass at the last minute, but load up the fight over the debt ceiling with everything they've ever wanted for Christmas in the hopes that they can get Obama to negotiate before the Treasury defaults on 10/17.

That was my thinking.  There's nothing to be gained by a shutdown, especially when they can avoid it and fight again in two weeks.


Allowing the shutdown would give a bit more credibility to their threats over the debt ceiling. Like shooting the first hostage to show the FBI you're serious.
 
2013-09-30 12:46:09 PM

Peki: Welcome to Fark. It's not about discourse or news; it's about making Drew beer money.


Who's holding the gun to your head, making you post in these forums?
 
2013-09-30 12:46:19 PM
Logic in Republican land.

s5.postimg.org
 
2013-09-30 12:46:36 PM
It seems a big problem with all of this is that the tea party rank and file seem to think that letting the US default on the debt ceiling is just another way of cutting the budget.  This causes me to wonder if the tea party congress members also think that.

If so, they might not only be blindly steering the world towards another economic disaster, they might think that because everyone but them doesn't want it, it won't be so bad to drive over that cliff.
 
2013-09-30 12:46:39 PM

Peki: But there's the door. You're welcome to walk through it.


Uhh, b*tching about trolls and mods is part of Fark, too. If you don't like it, maybe you're the one who should leave.
 
2013-09-30 12:47:51 PM

elchip: Peki: Welcome to Fark. It's not about discourse or news; it's about making Drew beer money.

Who's holding the gun to your head, making you post in these forums?


yeah, if you don't like Elchip's troll alt, you don't have to come to Fark and read it.
 
2013-09-30 12:48:50 PM
Have the Dems considered allowing the GOP to defund Obama care but in exchange, lower the medicare eligibility age to zero years old?
 
2013-09-30 12:49:36 PM

Aristocles: Notabunny: Aristocles: Notabunny: hammer85: I love these assholes toying with my livelihood.  Because we all know its not like government employees have bills to pay or anything.

Government employees are leeches. What with their mortgages, and car loans, and all the money they spend on food, and clothing, and sending their kids to school, government employees are nothing but a drain on the economy. I'll bet those leeches even spend money on vacations and save money for retirement.

No, they're not. But, there's no reason the government should somehow be shielded from the economic realities that folks in the private sector face and have been facing for the past 5 years.

/govt contractor

Such as?

You know, like being forced to downsize, not getting raises, having to work longer hours with no overtime pay, having to compete to keep your job, facing the risk of going out of business do to lack of demand, etc. etc. and whatnot.


1. My agency (a branch of the USDA) did get budget cuts and do not fill jobs. Most agencies will leave jobs "vacant" sometimes so they can fill them in a hurry in some cases, but in this case, in TX alone, there was a 20% reduction.
2. We do not get overtime except in special circumstances.
3. We have not had a cost of living increase in 4 years. I don't complain however, I get paid pretty well, considering, and while I do get a "pay raise" in certain increments, so does the private sector. I got pay raises working at vet clinics, for godssake. So we shouldn't get payraises in the government sector because why again????...
4. We constantly have this risk of going out of business, due to these dumbass government shutdown scare tactics, this has happened twice since I signed on permanently.
5. We get shat upon too, sir.
6. There is no 6.
 
2013-09-30 12:50:21 PM

ManateeGag: yeah, if you don't like Elchip's troll alt, you don't have to come to Fark and read it.


Considering the quality of this year's troll harvest, ol' narrowcranium makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.
 
2013-09-30 12:50:25 PM
The Smithsonian will be closed. National Archives, too. As well as the Department of Labor's Wage and Hour Division. School lunch programs will run dry. WIC will be unavailable. Compensation for veterans will also run dry after October. Active military personnel would also see a suspension of pay when the funds run run dry in October. But don't worry - Congress will continue to receive their paychecks.

All of this for what? Even with a shutdown - the insurance marketplaces will be open October 1st.
 
2013-09-30 12:51:16 PM

hasty ambush: Voiceofreason01:

Also things like Passport services, custodial staff for Gov't buildings, most of the national weather service staff and a lot of other things that you are going to miss are not "essential"

I am willing to bet all those things, just with like Social Security, can be done with fewer people that currently assigned.  It is interesting how technology has allowed the private sector to reduce  the number of people performing administrative functions  bookkeepers, secretarial /typing pools, file clerks  etc.  but not so for government-why is that?    And I am not particularly upset that government employees might have to take out their own trash.

More Americans work for the government [22.5 million]  than work in construction, farming, fishing, forestry, manufacturing, mining and utilities combined. . Nearly half of the $2.2 trillion cost of state and local governments [FY2010] is the $1 trillion-a-year tab for pay and benefits of state and local employees. Imagine what it is on the Federal level.

Lets us look at a few things

The Dept. of Agriculture has besides a Secretary has a Deputy Secretary and 7 Under Secretaries (all of whom have personal staffs) along with  20 other agencies/services and "corporations".. Many of which overlap functions  done by  Depts of State, Commerce, Interior, HUD and HHS.

The Department of Defense is even worse with 36 Assistant, Deputy Secretaries, and Directors.  This is not even counting what eh Depts of the Army , Navy and Air Force have.

Want to look at Homeland Security and  HHS?

Go ahead and argue that we don't have a lot of excess overhead in government.


You think that because you are poorly informed in the case of Social Security. SSA has been doing an RIF through attrition for many years with very few new hires. There was overtime every week this past fiscal year because there was so much work to do and not enough bodies to do it. SSA is down to the bone and was expecting to do a ton of furloughs this year anyway and its only gonna get worse.

Former comissioner astrue stated after he left that for every dollar given to Social Security to do disability reviews, the government saves four. Yet no one wants to give them money. Why? Because they want the government to fail. They want it to seem the government is incompetent by cutting the number of workers and complaining they are falling behind despite much larger workloads associated with population growth.

It is like saying that your water cooling system in your high powered gaming computer doesn't work when you don't put water in it because the water is so expensive.
 
2013-09-30 12:51:22 PM

FlashHarry: I_C_Weener: Our spending never goes down.  The only tool available to stop it at this point is playing chicken.

that only works if somebody blinks.

the dems won't blink (nor should they - obamacare is the law of the land and has been voted on, signed, upheld as constitutional and reaffirmed by an election).

and the tea party won't blink.

so where does that leave us?


Praying someone opens the Arc of the Covenant in the House of Representatives.
 
2013-09-30 12:52:13 PM

FunkyBlue: Is it strange to think we could buy a couple less jet fighters and the ACA would be paid for?


"Things we would do with the Pentagon's budget instead" lists are a reasonably common thing for further left orgs to put out as PR pieces.

They are uniformly depressing.
 
2013-09-30 12:53:29 PM

Mercutio74: ManateeGag: yeah, if you don't like Elchip's troll alt, you don't have to come to Fark and read it.

Considering the quality of this year's troll harvest, ol' narrowcranium makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.


Honestly, I get accused of being a troll or alt generally when I'm not trying.

/you really don't want to see me try to troll. It's ugly. Like Aristocles ugly.
//though even I ignored him after the BOB bs
 
2013-09-30 12:53:57 PM

Peki: BudTheSpud: Peki: BudTheSpud: Why are troll alts permitted to continue posting their tripe in political threads?

There is literally no discourse being offered in Fark anymore because the mods won't nut up and IP ban some of these asshats who keep changing their nicks and posting the same tired talking points.

Welcome to Fark. It's not about discourse or news; it's about making Drew beer money.

/this is why I only get sponsored for TF

I've been a Farker since 2001 or so, and it's been the same old song and dance. It's pathetic really.  I'd rather post in an unmoderated area like 4chan and get more honest opinion in there than some of the paid shills that spam their bullshiat through their many alt accounts here.

*shrug* I've never liked 4chan. But there's the door. You're welcome to walk through it.


I come and go where I please, don't worry about me. Worry about partisanship and propaganda slowly diluting public opinion until nobody can ever come up with a consensus anymore. Governments and corporations aren't stupid. They see free speech on the internet as a threat to their political and financial aims. It's in their best interest to keep everyone misinformed and easily distracted.
 
2013-09-30 12:54:40 PM

Ned Stark: born_yesterday: Soup4Bonnie: Rumours are that the House will let a continuing resolution pass at the last minute, but load up the fight over the debt ceiling with everything they've ever wanted for Christmas in the hopes that they can get Obama to negotiate before the Treasury defaults on 10/17.

That was my thinking.  There's nothing to be gained by a shutdown, especially when they can avoid it and fight again in two weeks.

Allowing the shutdown would give a bit more credibility to their threats over the debt ceiling. Like shooting the first hostage to show the FBI you're serious.


Except when you shoot your hostage - and you only have one - what's your leverage?

If they shutdown the government now - how will they threaten us during the debt ceiling debate?
 
2013-09-30 12:55:15 PM

wood0366: Two things:

Remember the credit rating for the UNITED STATES getting slashed the last time they pulled this shiat? To cause the credit rating of a first world country that seems to be the fiscal backbone of the planet slashed seems to be a rather bad idea.

Also, I'm still in the dark as to why 'tax and spend' seems to be a bad idea. I haven't heard any compelling reason why this /isn't/ the case.


Canada had its credit rating dropped in the 1980's.  You know how we recovered it?  By raising taxes.
 
2013-09-30 12:57:07 PM

BudTheSpud: Peki: BudTheSpud: Peki: BudTheSpud: Why are troll alts permitted to continue posting their tripe in political threads?

There is literally no discourse being offered in Fark anymore because the mods won't nut up and IP ban some of these asshats who keep changing their nicks and posting the same tired talking points.

Welcome to Fark. It's not about discourse or news; it's about making Drew beer money.

/this is why I only get sponsored for TF

I've been a Farker since 2001 or so, and it's been the same old song and dance. It's pathetic really.  I'd rather post in an unmoderated area like 4chan and get more honest opinion in there than some of the paid shills that spam their bullshiat through their many alt accounts here.

*shrug* I've never liked 4chan. But there's the door. You're welcome to walk through it.

I come and go where I please, don't worry about me. Worry about partisanship and propaganda slowly diluting public opinion until nobody can ever come up with a consensus anymore. Governments and corporations aren't stupid. They see free speech on the internet as a threat to their political and financial aims. It's in their best interest to keep everyone misinformed and easily distracted.


And on that we can agree. *lifts glass*

Honestly, some of the rhetoric coming out of the House sounds like the prelude over states' rights before the Civil War.
 
2013-09-30 12:57:19 PM

Bontesla: Ned Stark: born_yesterday: Soup4Bonnie: Rumours are that the House will let a continuing resolution pass at the last minute, but load up the fight over the debt ceiling with everything they've ever wanted for Christmas in the hopes that they can get Obama to negotiate before the Treasury defaults on 10/17.

That was my thinking.  There's nothing to be gained by a shutdown, especially when they can avoid it and fight again in two weeks.

Allowing the shutdown would give a bit more credibility to their threats over the debt ceiling. Like shooting the first hostage to show the FBI you're serious.

Except when you shoot your hostage - and you only have one - what's your leverage?

If they shutdown the government now - how will they threaten us during the debt ceiling debate?


To remain obstinate and not raise the debt ceiling? Its a rather more serious matter.
 
2013-09-30 12:57:50 PM

Bontesla: Ned Stark: born_yesterday: Soup4Bonnie: Rumours are that the House will let a continuing resolution pass at the last minute, but load up the fight over the debt ceiling with everything they've ever wanted for Christmas in the hopes that they can get Obama to negotiate before the Treasury defaults on 10/17.

That was my thinking.  There's nothing to be gained by a shutdown, especially when they can avoid it and fight again in two weeks.

Allowing the shutdown would give a bit more credibility to their threats over the debt ceiling. Like shooting the first hostage to show the FBI you're serious.

Except when you shoot your hostage - and you only have one - what's your leverage?

If they shutdown the government now - how will they threaten us during the debt ceiling debate?


They are not shooting/killing the economy, they are mailing severed body parts of it to the Nation.  They can keep it up as long as they have the majority or the economy doesn't completely collapse.
 
2013-09-30 12:58:42 PM

SlothB77: Tman144: SlothB77: Is this the thread where we say republicans are terrorists for trying to control spending and prevent our country from bankrupting itself?

Right, republicans want to control spending. That's why they blew up the budget surplus the first chance they got.

There was no surplus.  That is a myth.  It was simply Clintonian accounting smoke and mirrors.


That's a different take on things.  I thought that you guys attributed the Clinton surplus to Reagan's tax cuts bearing fruit, but now I've learned that it was just a lie.
 
2013-09-30 12:58:43 PM
it would seem that the GOP won't be able to effectively threaten to not raise the debt ceiling after this.

1 - if they agree tonight, it will have been a failed threat - the next will be weaker for it
2 - if they continue to stonewall, depending on the timing, a second threat will permanently cast them as obstructionists and to a larger portion of voters.

there is no end game is there?
 
2013-09-30 12:59:22 PM

BudTheSpud: Why are troll alts permitted to continue posting their tripe in political threads?

There is literally no discourse being offered in Fark anymore because the mods won't nut up and IP ban some of these asshats who keep changing their nicks and posting the same tired talking points.


Come now, you've been around for a while, the density of trolls hasn't changed much in the last decade or so.
 
2013-09-30 12:59:29 PM

hasty ambush: Voiceofreason01:

Also things like Passport services, custodial staff for Gov't buildings, most of the national weather service staff and a lot of other things that you are going to miss are not "essential"

I am willing to bet all those things, just with like Social Security, can be done with fewer people that currently assigned.  It is interesting how technology has allowed the private sector to reduce  the number of people performing administrative functions  bookkeepers, secretarial /typing pools, file clerks  etc.  but not so for government-why is that?    And I am not particularly upset that government employees might have to take out their own trash.

More Americans work for the government [22.5 million]  than work in construction, farming, fishing, forestry, manufacturing, mining and utilities combined. . Nearly half of the $2.2 trillion cost of state and local governments [FY2010] is the $1 trillion-a-year tab for pay and benefits of state and local employees. Imagine what it is on the Federal level.

Lets us look at a few things

The Dept. of Agriculture has besides a Secretary has a Deputy Secretary and 7 Under Secretaries (all of whom have personal staffs) along with  20 other agencies/services and "corporations".. Many of which overlap functions  done by  Depts of State, Commerce, Interior, HUD and HHS.

The Department of Defense is even worse with 36 Assistant, Deputy Secretaries, and Directors.  This is not even counting what eh Depts of the Army , Navy and Air Force have.

Want to look at Homeland Security and  HHS?

Go ahead and argue that we don't have a lot of excess overhead in government.


Fine, I will.

While you do cite an impressive number of Directors, Assistant Directors and so on, do you have any idea how many people are managed by those cabinet level posts? For the Defense department (citation):
* 718,000 civilians
* 1.418,542 active duty military
* 1,100,000+ reserve

That's a lot of people, and I'm not counting much more than a few dozen top level managers in various cabinet posts. Compare that to an insurance company or a bank, and talk to me again about an organization that's top heavy.
 
2013-09-30 01:01:17 PM

stratagos: Both sides are wrong, so vote for me! I promise a chicken in every pot, and all the members of the WBC will be sent to Gitmo


World Baseball Classic?
 
2013-09-30 01:02:03 PM
out of curiosity towards you smarter farkers

if shut down occurs and lasts until the debt ceiling limit deadline - and that passes without resolution what the hell happens to the country?  how, exactly, does the administration "fix" that sort of disaster?

can't happen, right?
 
2013-09-30 01:08:14 PM

parasol: out of curiosity towards you smarter farkers

if shut down occurs and lasts until the debt ceiling limit deadline - and that passes without resolution what the hell happens to the country?  how, exactly, does the administration "fix" that sort of disaster?

can't happen, right?


It could totally happen. We would start seeing the suspension of certain essential services that aren't funded through other means.
 
2013-09-30 01:09:54 PM

parasol: out of curiosity towards you smarter farkers

if shut down occurs and lasts until the debt ceiling limit deadline - and that passes without resolution what the hell happens to the country?  how, exactly, does the administration "fix" that sort of disaster?

can't happen, right?


I'm given to understand that tax cuts for the wealthy fixes pretty much everything.
 
2013-09-30 01:10:31 PM

parasol: out of curiosity towards you smarter farkers

if shut down occurs and lasts until the debt ceiling limit deadline - and that passes without resolution what the hell happens to the country?  how, exactly, does the administration "fix" that sort of disaster?

can't happen, right?


www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/09/29/questions-and-answers- about-the-shutdown/2888419/

Let me know if that works.
 
2013-09-30 01:10:38 PM

Cyclometh: Senate's gonna table the motion at 2 PM Eastern, the House GOP will whargaarbl and the government will shut down at midnight.

I originally predicted 3-5 days of shutdown. I'm upping that now to 2-3 weeks. But the GOP will eventually cave and pass a 3-6 month clean CR.

The big problem is that the debt ceiling is going to come a-callin' before the shutdown's over.


Yeah, I expect the shutdown to last through the debt ceiling fight.  The Teabaggers feel it's the best way now for a true 'starve the beast' plan on the nation.  Mainly due to the fact that money will probably have to be taken from things like the social safety net and regulatory agencies to continue to pay our creditors.  The only thing that would be sacrosanct at that point would be the money they shovel to the MIC.
 
2013-09-30 01:10:54 PM

parasol: how, exactly, does the administration "fix" that sort of disaster?


It's a Constitutional conflict. Congress is the sole entity allowed to direct spending and the sole entity allowed to borrow. They're enumerated separately and have been considered separate powers since the country was founded. However, the executive is obligated to spend via full faith and credit.

So either the Executive decides the 14th Amendment means that the power to borrow to meet obligations is implied in the spending bills, they figure out something out of left field like minting a trillion dollar coin, or the Executive just says fark it and lets the government default and let Congress sort out the massive, ridiculous mess. Pelosi has been arguing for the 14th Amendment solution, but Obama has been pushing back on it. Which is probably the right move, Constitutionally speaking.
 
2013-09-30 01:11:18 PM

geek_mars: parasol: out of curiosity towards you smarter farkers

if shut down occurs and lasts until the debt ceiling limit deadline - and that passes without resolution what the hell happens to the country?  how, exactly, does the administration "fix" that sort of disaster?

can't happen, right?

I'm given to understand that tax cuts for the wealthy fixes pretty much everything.


FTFM
 
2013-09-30 01:13:08 PM

parasol: out of curiosity towards you smarter farkers

if shut down occurs and lasts until the debt ceiling limit deadline - and that passes without resolution what the hell happens to the country?  how, exactly, does the administration "fix" that sort of disaster?

can't happen, right?


Then the GOP sends the nation into default and there is no Executive Branch fix. The world economy goes into a recession that makes the Depression look good. Not just the US economy the global economy. The default wold destroy the value of US Government bonds, so any government or entity holding them would now loose that value too. The simple math is take the current total debt and subtract that amount from the global economy.
 
2013-09-30 01:14:55 PM

born_yesterday: Soup4Bonnie: Rumours are that the House will let a continuing resolution pass at the last minute, but load up the fight over the debt ceiling with everything they've ever wanted for Christmas in the hopes that they can get Obama to negotiate before the Treasury defaults on 10/17.

That was my thinking.  There's nothing to be gained by a shutdown, especially when they can avoid it and fight again in two weeks.


You are forgetting about the Obamacare sign-up.  Once people start signing up it will be much more difficult for Republicans to argue for a repeal.   Every day that passes is another day with people signing up.  That is why they are going ape-shiat today.
 
2013-09-30 01:16:14 PM

parasol: out of curiosity towards you smarter farkers

if shut down occurs and lasts until the debt ceiling limit deadline - and that passes without resolution what the hell happens to the country?  how, exactly, does the administration "fix" that sort of disaster?

can't happen, right?


In order of descending probability

Obama declares the debt ceiling unconstitutional and orders the checks to be signed anyway. Lawsuits are filed, impeachment proceedings begin, constitutional crisis and supreme court derp for everyone.

Obama has the treasury mint a trillion dollar coin or two. Impeachment proceedings begin, inflation goes nuts.

The US straight up defaults. Global economy bursts into flames like a computer with 4 nvidia cards and no fan.
 
2013-09-30 01:17:19 PM
parasol: out of curiosity towards you smarter farkers

if shut down occurs and lasts until the debt ceiling limit deadline - and that passes without resolution what the hell happens to the country?  how, exactly, does the administration "fix" that sort of disaster?

can't happen, right?

Aristocles: Alright, stand back everyone, I'll handle this one.

To your first question: nothing.
To your second question: the BOB administration couldn't change a flat tire
To your third: You are correct. It's not gonna happen. The RINOs in the Teaparty and the GOP will cave like they always do. They're not willing to let BOB drive this country off the Grand Canyon.


Okay - your response is "nothing will happen and the nothing won't happen because the GOP won't let the country go off the Grand Canyon".  So, it's nothing but a potential going over a cliff.
(this is why I included "smart farkers") - will ignore this as "not helpful due to contrariness".
 
2013-09-30 01:19:47 PM

mrshowrules: wood0366: Two things:

Remember the credit rating for the UNITED STATES getting slashed the last time they pulled this shiat? To cause the credit rating of a first world country that seems to be the fiscal backbone of the planet slashed seems to be a rather bad idea.

Also, I'm still in the dark as to why 'tax and spend' seems to be a bad idea. I haven't heard any compelling reason why this /isn't/ the case.

Canada had its credit rating dropped in the 1980's.  You know how we recovered it?  By raising taxes.


 And that's why Canada is a post-apocalyptic hell hole that completely collapsed during the 2008-09 global economic meltdown.  How are you still able to post?
 
2013-09-30 01:20:27 PM
floor:
Then the GOP sends the nation into default and there is no Executive Branch fix. The world economy goes into a recession that makes the Depression look good. Not just the US economy the global economy. The default wold destroy the value of US Government bonds, so any government or entity holding them would now loose that value too. The simple math is take the current total debt and subtract that amount from the global economy.

Bontelsa : (link)

ty you - for the terror and the info
 
2013-09-30 01:32:18 PM

parasol: floor:
Then the GOP sends the nation into default and there is no Executive Branch fix. The world economy goes into a recession that makes the Depression look good. Not just the US economy the global economy. The default wold destroy the value of US Government bonds, so any government or entity holding them would now loose that value too. The simple math is take the current total debt and subtract that amount from the global economy.

Bontelsa : (link)

ty you - for the terror and the info


There is an executive branch fix, namely, the constitution

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.

Congress can't authorize spending on the nations credit, then question whether or not it needs to pay those bills.
 
2013-09-30 01:33:51 PM

parasol: floor:
Then the GOP sends the nation into default and there is no Executive Branch fix. The world economy goes into a recession that makes the Depression look good. Not just the US economy the global economy. The default wold destroy the value of US Government bonds, so any government or entity holding them would now loose that value too. The simple math is take the current total debt and subtract that amount from the global economy.

Bontelsa : (link)

ty you - for the terror and the info


It's terrifying. And that it's terrifying is an understatement. The potential for shutting down and then running into a debt ceiling is an unknown. We don't actually know how that would end.

m.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/09/not-raising-the-debt-ceili n g-would-be-either-a-disaster-or-a-historical-calamity/280057/
 
2013-09-30 01:35:32 PM

Mike_LowELL: Okay guys, so I'm playing Civilization V and I just researched Obamacare.  Now all my cities are dying from sickness.  Help.


Research "Universal Healthcare" quick!
 
2013-09-30 01:36:38 PM
I am on my lunch h break. Do we have tyranny yet?
 
2013-09-30 01:36:41 PM

firefly212: parasol: floor:
Then the GOP sends the nation into default and there is no Executive Branch fix. The world economy goes into a recession that makes the Depression look good. Not just the US economy the global economy. The default wold destroy the value of US Government bonds, so any government or entity holding them would now loose that value too. The simple math is take the current total debt and subtract that amount from the global economy.

Bontelsa : (link)

ty you - for the terror and the info

There is an executive branch fix, namely, the constitution

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.

Congress can't authorize spending on the nations credit, then question whether or not it needs to pay those bills.


The Republicans in the House have demonstrated, on multiple occasions, their ignorance of the Constitution.

Further - the Constitution is only as powerful as we allow it to be. When our own government decides to ignore it - we're in big trouble.
 
2013-09-30 01:38:05 PM

Jormungandr: Mike_LowELL: Okay guys, so I'm playing Civilization V and I just researched Obamacare.  Now all my cities are dying from sickness.  Help.

Research "Universal Healthcare" quick!


It's actually a bug. Just find the a patch that fixes the "ALEC Rules" problem.
 
2013-09-30 01:38:43 PM

sprawl15: Which is probably the right move, Constitutionally speaking.


Sorry, Sprawls.  Which is the which that you are referring to here?  And why do you think it's the right move?
 
2013-09-30 01:39:24 PM

Shirley Ujest: I am on my lunch h break. Do we have tyranny yet?


DUH.

What do you think the Republicans are fighting against, as we speak?

/plonk?
 
2013-09-30 01:41:04 PM

Bontesla: firefly212: parasol: floor:
Then the GOP sends the nation into default and there is no Executive Branch fix. The world economy goes into a recession that makes the Depression look good. Not just the US economy the global economy. The default wold destroy the value of US Government bonds, so any government or entity holding them would now loose that value too. The simple math is take the current total debt and subtract that amount from the global economy.

Bontelsa : (link)

ty you - for the terror and the info

There is an executive branch fix, namely, the constitution

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.

Congress can't authorize spending on the nations credit, then question whether or not it needs to pay those bills.

The Republicans in the House have demonstrated, on multiple occasions, their ignorance of the Constitution.

Further - the Constitution is only as powerful as we allow it to be. When our own government decides to ignore it - we're in big trouble.


I'm saying, if the President, under the authority of the constitution, authorizes the Secretary of the Treasury and the Chair of the Federal Reserve, to acknowledge the debts already authorized by congress via their approval of bills, he can end this seemingly annual idiocy and effectively leave the GOP with a squirt gun for their hostage-taking scenario.
 
2013-09-30 01:42:00 PM

firefly212: parasol: floor:
Then the GOP sends the nation into default and there is no Executive Branch fix. The world economy goes into a recession that makes the Depression look good. Not just the US economy the global economy. The default wold destroy the value of US Government bonds, so any government or entity holding them would now loose that value too. The simple math is take the current total debt and subtract that amount from the global economy.

Bontelsa : (link)

ty you - for the terror and the info

There is an executive branch fix, namely, the constitution

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.

Congress can't authorize spending on the nations credit, then question whether or not it needs to pay those bills.


That goes for current debt, not increasing the debt so the administration can follow the law as set forth in previous budgets.
 
2013-09-30 01:42:58 PM

Testiclaw: Shirley Ujest: I am on my lunch h break. Do we have tyranny yet?

DUH.

What do you think the Republicans are fighting against, as we speak?

/plonk?


Oh snap.
 
2013-09-30 01:43:53 PM
Kuroshin:

/color me shocked

Done.

i586.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-30 01:44:14 PM

Soup4Bonnie: sprawl15: Which is probably the right move, Constitutionally speaking.

Sorry, Sprawls.  Which is the which that you are referring to here?


do you really need me to explain how this sentence structure works

sprawl15: Pelosi has been arguing for the 14th Amendment solution, but Obama has been pushing back on it. Which is probably the right move, Constitutionally speaking.

serious question
 
2013-09-30 01:44:34 PM

Name_Omitted: firefly212: parasol: floor:
Then the GOP sends the nation into default and there is no Executive Branch fix. The world economy goes into a recession that makes the Depression look good. Not just the US economy the global economy. The default wold destroy the value of US Government bonds, so any government or entity holding them would now loose that value too. The simple math is take the current total debt and subtract that amount from the global economy.

Bontelsa : (link)

ty you - for the terror and the info

There is an executive branch fix, namely, the constitution

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.

Congress can't authorize spending on the nations credit, then question whether or not it needs to pay those bills.

That goes for current debt, not increasing the debt so the administration can follow the law as set forth in previous budgets.


wat
 
2013-09-30 01:45:10 PM

parasol: parasol: out of curiosity towards you smarter farkers

if shut down occurs and lasts until the debt ceiling limit deadline - and that passes without resolution what the hell happens to the country?  how, exactly, does the administration "fix" that sort of disaster?

can't happen, right?

Aristocles: Alright, stand back everyone, I'll handle this one.

To your first question: nothing.
To your second question: the BOB administration couldn't change a flat tire
To your third: You are correct. It's not gonna happen. The RINOs in the Teaparty and the GOP will cave like they always do. They're not willing to let BOB drive this country off the Grand Canyon.

Okay - your response is "nothing will happen and the nothing won't happen because the GOP won't let the country go off the Grand Canyon".  So, it's nothing but a potential going over a cliff.
(this is why I included "smart farkers") - will ignore this as "not helpful due to contrariness".


He is the new Bevets, only with fewer facts.
 
2013-09-30 01:45:17 PM

I_C_Weener: Kuroshin:

/color me shocked

Done.


That's terrifying.
 
2013-09-30 01:45:34 PM

ManateeGag: JusticeandIndependence:

Who is Bob?

Bob Dole.  But what he has to do with all this, I have no idea.


Aw, c'mon guys!  If I have to up my troll ignore levels anymore there won't be ANY thread to read!  I'm already up to ignore/ignore posts with them in it by login name.

Please don't quote that far down cut and paste shiat out!  Pleeeeeeze????

I have the alts (3 or more) for that one guy, all on hold until a month or so from now.  It's much easier to read through a thread and appreciate the posters who can actually contribute something from time to time.
 
2013-09-30 01:45:36 PM

firefly212: Bontesla: firefly212: parasol: floor:
Then the GOP sends the nation into default and there is no Executive Branch fix. The world economy goes into a recession that makes the Depression look good. Not just the US economy the global economy. The default wold destroy the value of US Government bonds, so any government or entity holding them would now loose that value too. The simple math is take the current total debt and subtract that amount from the global economy.

Bontelsa : (link)

ty you - for the terror and the info

There is an executive branch fix, namely, the constitution

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.

Congress can't authorize spending on the nations credit, then question whether or not it needs to pay those bills.

The Republicans in the House have demonstrated, on multiple occasions, their ignorance of the Constitution.

Further - the Constitution is only as powerful as we allow it to be. When our own government decides to ignore it - we're in big trouble.

I'm saying, if the President, under the authority of the constitution, authorizes the Secretary of the Treasury and the Chair of the Federal Reserve, to acknowledge the debts already authorized by congress via their approval of bills, he can end this seemingly annual idiocy and effectively leave the GOP with a squirt gun for their hostage-taking scenario.


And he's already rejected that idea.
 
2013-09-30 01:49:08 PM

I_C_Weener: James!: Democrats: We have to pay rent.
Republicans: I refuse to pay rent until you cancel your health insurance.
Democrats: What if we get sick?
Republicans: fark YOU! TREE OF LIBERTY!! CONSTITUTION!! SOCIALISM!!
Democrats: I want a new roommate.

Sorta.  Mine would be more along the lines of

Republicans:  I want to pay the rent, but you bought an insurance plan that we can't afford to pay AND pay rent.
Democrats:  We already bought it, quit whining.
Republicans:  Sorry.  We can't pay that and this and keep going this way.
Democrats:  Why not?  Its not our money.


If you prefer your scenario more, it neglects to mention that this insurance policy has already been written into the lease and shall be upheld.

So quit whining.

/// Being Republican means never having to say you're sorry. Duh.
 
2013-09-30 01:52:04 PM
... And the ACA goes into effect as planned on Oct. 1st.


Brilliant strategy, GOP... You're like the love child of Rommel and the Duke of Wllington.
 
2013-09-30 01:53:53 PM

Testiclaw: Name_Omitted: firefly212: parasol: floor:
Then the GOP sends the nation into default and there is no Executive Branch fix. The world economy goes into a recession that makes the Depression look good. Not just the US economy the global economy. The default wold destroy the value of US Government bonds, so any government or entity holding them would now loose that value too. The simple math is take the current total debt and subtract that amount from the global economy.

Bontelsa : (link)

ty you - for the terror and the info

There is an executive branch fix, namely, the constitution

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.

Congress can't authorize spending on the nations credit, then question whether or not it needs to pay those bills.

That goes for current debt, not increasing the debt so the administration can follow the law as set forth in previous budgets.

wat


It's a Congressional problem. The Execuitive does not have the authority to solve it, and it would be a shift in constitutional powers for the Execuitive to do so. President Obama is correct in this regard.
 
2013-09-30 01:54:25 PM

trickymoo: I_C_Weener: James!: Democrats: We have to pay rent.
Republicans: I refuse to pay rent until you cancel your health insurance.
Democrats: What if we get sick?
Republicans: fark YOU! TREE OF LIBERTY!! CONSTITUTION!! SOCIALISM!!
Democrats: I want a new roommate.

Sorta.  Mine would be more along the lines of

Republicans:  I want to pay the rent, but you bought an insurance plan that we can't afford to pay AND pay rent.
Democrats:  We already bought it, quit whining.
Republicans:  Sorry.  We can't pay that and this and keep going this way.
Democrats:  Why not?  Its not our money.

If you prefer your scenario more, it neglects to mention that this insurance policy has already been written into the lease and shall be upheld.

So quit whining.

/// Being Republican means never having to say you're sorry. Duh.


It really means having a platform so weak, and misled that you have to lie to people.
 
2013-09-30 01:56:35 PM
Only a few more hours left!

i.qkme.me
 
2013-09-30 01:59:33 PM

trickymoo: I_C_Weener: James!: Democrats: We have to pay rent.
Republicans: I refuse to pay rent until you cancel your health insurance.
Democrats: What if we get sick?
Republicans: fark YOU! TREE OF LIBERTY!! CONSTITUTION!! SOCIALISM!!
Democrats: I want a new roommate.

Sorta.  Mine would be more along the lines of

Republicans:  I want to pay the rent, but you bought an insurance plan that we can't afford to pay AND pay rent.
Democrats:  We already bought it, quit whining.
Republicans:  Sorry.  We can't pay that and this and keep going this way.
Democrats:  Why not?  Its not our money.

If you prefer your scenario more, it neglects to mention that this insurance policy has already been written into the lease and shall be upheld.


lh4.googleusercontent.com

"If you prefer another spending cut target, a non-healthcare one, name the target!"
 
2013-09-30 01:59:48 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-09-30 02:03:08 PM

sprawl15: Mike_LowELL: Okay guys, so I'm playing Civilization V and I just researched Obamacare.  Now all my cities are dying from sickness.  Help.

[i.imgur.com image 585x299]


scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2013-09-30 02:07:05 PM
Remember me????

www.killthehydra.com
 
2013-09-30 02:08:25 PM

sprawl15: serious question


haha.  Shut up!  I'm working!  and eating and Farking and trying to watch CSpan.

Ok.  Why don't you like Pelosi's idea?
 
2013-09-30 02:15:37 PM

hasty ambush: DeaH: cman: DeaH: It's not negotiation unless both sides want opposite things. The Democrats want to avoid hurting the economy, so they want to raise the debt ceiling. If the Republicans think that's negotiable, then they want to harm the American economy. If that's what they want, who wants to give them anything?

They don't believe it will hurt the economy

It certainly hurt the economy the last time they didn't automatically raise the debt ceiling. The Republicans, as a whole, just cannot be that stupid, but, if they really are, then the Democrats only response can be a demand for the mass resignation of all Republicans.


Raise the debt ceiling but get some fiscal responsibility behind it.  Democrats just want government with a blank check and they are willing to wreck thing to get it.  The Democrats are the ones who should resign


Last shutdown was for 28 days and according to BBC radio this morning it was a pinprick on the overall  economy.


The last time the Republicans played games with the debt ceiling, it lowered America's credit rating. That means our money now costs all of us more. The fact that the Republicans keep trying to hold the debt ceiling hostage shows that we need to stop them in their tracks once and for all. They do not have America's best interest at heart. They are betting against America, and they just keep doing it. If they want a more responsible budget, then they should produce one. (And this is a good place to point out that the budgets they do produce depend on savings from Obamacare, so, at least on some level, they know Obamacare is good for America, too.) The debt ceiling is not the place they should be doing this.

Al Qaeda attacked America, choosing the World Trade Towers in an effort to cripple the American economy. They got three buildings and the lives of nearly 3000 Americans, but they did not get our economy. Right now, Al Qaeda is looking at the Republican Party and saying, "Oh, so THAT'S how you bring down American!" They wish they were the Republican Party. The Republican Party has consistently shown it cares nothing for the best interests of American. In the last dozen years, it has done more to hurt America and its economy than any stated enemy, foreign or domestic. They need to go away, so they can be replaced with a party th