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(Huffington Post)   "What would happen if the Senate rejects your bill of failure?" Rep. Issa "How DARE YOU" He then proceeded to scream about BENGHAZI for 20 minutes before being tranquillized by the majority whip and brought to the floor for a vote   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 42
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2013-09-30 09:01:54 AM
7 votes:
FTA: "Much of the GOP thinking seems to be rooted in the fact that Obama has already delayed some provisions. So why not delay the whole law? "

See Democrats?  Those of us who are prior Republicans tried to tell you.  Dealing with a conservative is like dealing with a teenager.  If you give in on something it is NOT seen as rational compromise.  It is seen as weakness.  It doesn't foster cooperation it encourages more conflict.

You all really need to learn how to set and maintain boundaries with these dirtbags.  Smack them down once, hard.  It will be a long time before they rise again.
2013-09-30 09:21:35 AM
5 votes:
The Republicans know the ACA will actually work and people will like it.  If they get a year delay, they can continue to play the "ooga-booga" card through the 2014 election cycle.  If they don't, they got nuthin.

It's no more complicated than that.
2013-09-30 08:43:07 AM
5 votes:
They're belatedly trying to control the message and spin this in their favor.

The absolute GALL they have to try to blame this on the Democrats and the President is astounding, not to mention the manner in which they're going about this.

One optimistic Republican, echoing many others, said that a delay ought to be agreeable since the GOP had started out with a much more extreme position. "You're going from saying, 'Do away with Obamacare for good, total, ever, ever and ever,' to saying, 'Just delay it, suspend it, just for 12 months.' That's a big concession," said Rep. Scott Garrett (R-N.J.).

ARE YOU farkING KIDDING ME?
2013-09-30 09:41:55 AM
4 votes:

qorkfiend: AngryDragon: You all really need to learn how to set and maintain boundaries with these dirtbags.  Smack them down once, hard.  It will be a long time before they rise again.

How? The voters routinely fail to hold Republicans accountable for their actions in office. The shutdown and impeachment in the 90s had absolutely no short-term effect on the balance of power, and by 2002 the GOP was in full control of both elected branches of government. I have serious doubts that the GOP's actions this time around will come at a significant electoral price.


Stop compromising with them.  Period.  I know it sounds ridiculous but that's what needs to be done.  The government is completely dysfunctional anyway.  A few months of just cutting them out of the mix can't do any more damage.  Whoever is rational left in the Republican party will get the message quickly and begin housecleaning.

I hate to say this but you know what I and a large part of the rest of the country is expecting?  I expect the Dems to cave at the last minute and delay the ACA by a year.  Just like they caved on the filibuster rule.  Despite the fact that the ACA is desired by 3/4 of the country, has been upheld as the law of the land, and most importantly will SAVE LIVES, I fear the Dems will capitulate.

The Democrats talk a good game.  You know what the difference is tactically between the Ds and Rs?  The Rs will do what they threaten to do.  This has always been the Ds problem and everyone knows it.  The Rs have turned manipulating that flaw into an art form.
2013-09-30 09:12:02 AM
4 votes:
"I have never foreseen a government shutdown and I continue not to see a government shutdown," said Rep. Rob Woodall (R-Ga.),

Oh, really, douchebag.


"But to us, here in Georgia, shutting down the government is not a drastic solution.  It may just be the only arrow we have left in our equipment."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rVBg-ZVXKw

Do these retards understand that recording things means people can go back and listen to what they said at a later time?
2013-09-30 10:08:38 AM
3 votes:

Aristocles: It's called strateegery.

Read a book sometime.


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2013-09-30 09:45:12 AM
3 votes:

Diogenes: xxcorydxx: Aristocles: House Republicans Really Believe Democrats Will Cave On Obamacare To Avoid A Government Shutdown

This is a moot point as the teabagger want a govt shut down and they want Obamacare to be defunded/repealed/improved.

It's really a win-win for teabagger.

Checkmate, BOB.

so, I was on vacation for a week and a half and didn't get on here at all, I see you're still trying that BOB thing, has it caught on yet?

also, after thinking about it, I've come to the conclusion that you really are the most brilliant troll there is on here, most of your posts are so comically nonsensical that I'm thinking you're just doing a bad character.

Bravo, sir.

The GOP is flushing the country down the toilet and he thinks it's a good time for more schtick.  It's sickening.


for what it's worth, I really don't believe that any of the people selling the GOP message actually believe it, since it's gotten so far out there. The smart ones (the ones that are making the money) are just putting on an act to get rich.

it's really turned into pro wrestling, and the american people are too farking stupid to see that it's fake.

we should be ashamed of ourselves.
2013-09-30 10:51:00 AM
2 votes:

qorkfiend: AngryDragon: You all really need to learn how to set and maintain boundaries with these dirtbags.  Smack them down once, hard.  It will be a long time before they rise again.

How? The voters routinely fail to hold Republicans accountable for their actions in office. The shutdown and impeachment in the 90s had absolutely no short-term effect on the balance of power, and by 2002 the GOP was in full control of both elected branches of government. I have serious doubts that the GOP's actions this time around will come at a significant electoral price.


This. For all the caterwauling about the GOP relegating itself to a regional party, a lot of you underestimate the size of those regions. And their loyalty.
2013-09-30 10:42:29 AM
2 votes:

Alphax: You know, when people are sick, waiting a year isn't good.


This.  They are literally playing with people's lives.
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-09-30 09:12:44 AM
2 votes:

Doctor Funkenstein: "I have never foreseen a government shutdown and I continue not to see a government shutdown," said Rep. Rob Woodall (R-Ga.),

Oh, really, douchebag.


"But to us, here in Georgia, shutting down the government is not a drastic solution.  It may just be the only arrow we have left in our equipment."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rVBg-ZVXKw

Do these retards understand that recording things means people can go back and listen to what they said at a later time?


Do puppets have memories?
2013-09-30 09:09:48 AM
2 votes:

Aristocles: Schroedinger's Glory Hole: Aristocles: House Republicans Really Believe Democrats Will Cave On Obamacare To Avoid A Government Shutdown

This is a moot point as the teabagger want a govt shut down and they want Obamacare to be defunded/repealed/improved.

It's really a win-win for teabagger.

Checkmate, BOB.

Like all conservatives, always willing to claim victory for winning a game where they can set up the pieces as they please.

It's called strateegery.

Read a book sometime.


Being born on third isn't a strategy.
2013-09-30 09:08:33 AM
2 votes:

cman: vudukungfu: But don't you dare call them racists.

Umm, what?


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d23 [TotalFark]
2013-09-30 08:59:05 AM
2 votes:

farker99: The only problem is that the folks he represents think he is sane.


Issa, Bachman, Gohmert, King... this is the fruit of the idiots being about to put in their own districts and gerrymander.

It's time for computers to create districts.  Creating algorithms to do it is trivial.  We have to let the sane start speaking over the insane again.
2013-09-30 07:54:41 AM
2 votes:
ilk.uvt.nl

The computer eventually did learn when to give up. These farktards are delusional.
2013-09-30 01:59:03 PM
1 votes:

demaL-demaL-yeH: hubiestubert: Remember kids, when you paint yourself into a corner, the best response is "NO YOU!"
40% of the time, it works every time...

Sadly, it does.
It used to be that when you knew you were wrong, you admitted fault, took your earned lumps, and moved forward.
Now? There's even a wiki for derpling down and doing the wrong thing.


It helps when you have a news network, and publishing houses to retcon what you've said, and its context constantly. Of course, there's the chance that folks have access to sources that have actually recorded what you've said, that aren't edited with the offending bits out, but then again, you just have to attack the credibility of those sources, especially for being ideologically motivated, and then substitute your own sources with the edited versions, and then claim that the bits just don't matter, because the crux of the argument remains the same.

Yes, it's disingenuous, but the Rove model is to win, and a LOT of folks have followed the somewhat ethically plastic method, because it works on the rubes. And it works, because people like to win, and they like to see their side win. Our politics today are less and less about actual issues, but more about being on the winning team, and seeing your Representatives and Congresscritters as fantasy league players. It doesn't really do the public discourse much good, and it has seen a LOT of really crappy stuff get passed without much fuss or bother--or rather, the folks who might actually be interested in seeing it, don't because their main source for news refuses to report anything that might show their team in a bad light.

Our media at this time is not quite broken, but it's damaged fair heavy, and folks like its damaged features far too much to ever think about fixing it, or even suggesting that it needs to be addressed. Unless of course, they are getting hammered by OTHER sources that folks might not be able to escape from, then they demand "fair" treatment. Mind you, these are folks who really have been pleased by a fall of the fairness doctrine, but boy howdy do they like to try to invoke it when their own words come around to bite them on the ass...
2013-09-30 01:01:17 PM
1 votes:

Aristocles: House Republicans Really Believe Democrats Will Cave On Obamacare To Avoid A Government Shutdown

This is a moot point as the teabagger want a govt shut down and they want Obamacare to be defunded/repealed/improved.

It's really a win-win for teabagger.

Checkmate, BOB.


thanks ASS, i figured you would be here spamming
2013-09-30 11:58:33 AM
1 votes:

Infernalist: qorkfiend: Infernalist: verbaltoxin: Infernalist: verbaltoxin: qorkfiend: AngryDragon: You all really need to learn how to set and maintain boundaries with these dirtbags.  Smack them down once, hard.  It will be a long time before they rise again.

How? The voters routinely fail to hold Republicans accountable for their actions in office. The shutdown and impeachment in the 90s had absolutely no short-term effect on the balance of power, and by 2002 the GOP was in full control of both elected branches of government. I have serious doubts that the GOP's actions this time around will come at a significant electoral price.

This. For all the caterwauling about the GOP relegating itself to a regional party, a lot of you underestimate the size of those regions. And their loyalty.

You can't gerrymander your way into the WH, nor into controlling the Senate.

Right now the GOP are proving they don't need control there to f*ck up our government.

And that sort of obstinate obstructionism has consequences.  The 'Do-Nothing' Republican Congress of the 1940s was soon followed by 40 years of the Congress being controlled by the Democrats.

Those that ignore history....

I don't know if the 40s are really analogous. In the late 40s, the Democrats had just successfully led the country through the Great Depression and World War II (not to mention that Republican economic mismanagement and Hoovervilles were a living memory to pretty much the entire voting population) and so the Democrats had a large surplus of political goodwill to tap. Modern Democrats have no similar track record of success.

I don't know if the last 5 years are really analogous.  In the last 5 years, the Democrats have managed to successfully lead the country through the worst economic disaster since the Great Depression and two GOP-instigated wars(not to mention the GOP economic and military mismanagement).


Well, sure, but I don't think a lot of people would agree that modern Democratic economic stewardship has been the populist success that the New Deal was, or that the turmoil in the Middle East represents the level of crisis that World War II did.
2013-09-30 11:35:15 AM
1 votes:
The House of Representatives, ladies and gentlemen, in a nutshell.

They don't care about you. Most of these assholes think that they're in the fight of their lives, struggling against evil to uphold their ideological purity, even at the expense of actual dead Americans. The others are just impotent, aghast at the damage caused by the GOP tafurs now running the House.

The Republicans in the House have just screwed America, deliberately, because they think that they can get away with it. That's their only reason for it.

The fun part? The Republicans in the Senate love this shiat. Why? Because, come 2014 & 2016, those Senators are going to look like moderate statesmen compared to the poo-flinging morons currently running the House. The majority in the House is safe enough to allow them to do this - the Senate's another matter. So, the Senate can play the straight man to the House's crazy-ass shenanigans and some of them can capitalize on it during their upcoming campaigns.

Just remember, folks - the GOP doesn't care about you. They care about themselves, and the folks paying them. That's it.
2013-09-30 11:34:59 AM
1 votes:

Infernalist: verbaltoxin: Infernalist: verbaltoxin: qorkfiend: AngryDragon: You all really need to learn how to set and maintain boundaries with these dirtbags.  Smack them down once, hard.  It will be a long time before they rise again.

How? The voters routinely fail to hold Republicans accountable for their actions in office. The shutdown and impeachment in the 90s had absolutely no short-term effect on the balance of power, and by 2002 the GOP was in full control of both elected branches of government. I have serious doubts that the GOP's actions this time around will come at a significant electoral price.

This. For all the caterwauling about the GOP relegating itself to a regional party, a lot of you underestimate the size of those regions. And their loyalty.

You can't gerrymander your way into the WH, nor into controlling the Senate.

Right now the GOP are proving they don't need control there to f*ck up our government.

And that sort of obstinate obstructionism has consequences.  The 'Do-Nothing' Republican Congress of the 1940s was soon followed by 40 years of the Congress being controlled by the Democrats.

Those that ignore history....


I don't know if the 40s are really analogous. In the late 40s, the Democrats had just successfully led the country through the Great Depression and World War II (not to mention that Republican economic mismanagement and Hoovervilles were a living memory to pretty much the entire voting population) and so the Democrats had a large surplus of political goodwill to tap. Modern Democrats have no similar track record of success.
2013-09-30 11:26:29 AM
1 votes:
STOP! CALLING! HIM! BOB!
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2013-09-30 11:24:27 AM
1 votes:

qorkfiend: urbangirl: The Republicans know the ACA will actually work and people will like it.  If they get a year delay, they can continue to play the "ooga-booga" card through the 2014 election cycle.  If they don't, they got nuthin.

It's no more complicated than that.

If they get the year delay, they'll just ask for another year delay when next year's budget negotiations start.


Of course they will - if we give in, they'll just hold the budget and debt ceiling hostage again and again. You know, like a couple of years ago, when Boehner got "98%" of what he wanted, and blamed the whole thing on the Democrats. Compromise, indeed.

I seriously don't understand why people don't get the analogy here: the GOP is North Korea in this negotiation. They're threatening to nuke us and claim it's all our fault, that we're forcing them to.
2013-09-30 11:23:19 AM
1 votes:

Infernalist: verbaltoxin: qorkfiend: AngryDragon: You all really need to learn how to set and maintain boundaries with these dirtbags.  Smack them down once, hard.  It will be a long time before they rise again.

How? The voters routinely fail to hold Republicans accountable for their actions in office. The shutdown and impeachment in the 90s had absolutely no short-term effect on the balance of power, and by 2002 the GOP was in full control of both elected branches of government. I have serious doubts that the GOP's actions this time around will come at a significant electoral price.

This. For all the caterwauling about the GOP relegating itself to a regional party, a lot of you underestimate the size of those regions. And their loyalty.

You can't gerrymander your way into the WH, nor into controlling the Senate.


Right now the GOP are proving they don't need control there to f*ck up our government.
2013-09-30 10:46:30 AM
1 votes:
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2013-09-30 10:41:45 AM
1 votes:

AnonAmbientLight: Aristocles: House Republicans Really Believe Democrats Will Cave On Obamacare To Avoid A Government Shutdown

This is a moot point as the teabagger want a govt shut down and they want Obamacare to be defunded/repealed/improved.

It's really a win-win for teabagger.

Checkmate, BOB.

Known troll once per thread.


Could you please stop quoting the obvious trolls?  We have them on ignore for a reason.
2013-09-30 10:32:04 AM
1 votes:

Kome: jayhawk88: You really have to wonder what the thought process of these morons are, at this point:

Not really. It's relatively simple. "We have tons of money and power, and we want more of it. Figure out the best way to do that. And if anyone stands in our way, we'll just burn everything to the ground in the hopes that we can catch them in the flames."


That, and, "If it goes into effect and it's not a disaster, our bluff is officially called and we're farked in 2014 and 2016."

Plus, they've given us nothing other than obstruction and rhetoric.  Fighting Obama in general and the ACA specifically is quite literally ALL they have.
2013-09-30 10:30:50 AM
1 votes:
You know, when people are sick, waiting a year isn't good.
2013-09-30 10:25:55 AM
1 votes:
You really have to wonder what the thought process of these morons are, at this point:

"Bill, it's the big day! We sent back a proposal that once again asked for everything we want, while demanding our opponents give up everything they want, and this time we think they will agree to our skillful negotiation because Magic. What do the polls say, Bill, what's our Q rating?"

"Well, 9 out of 10 CEO's describe themselves as 'aghast', every small business we call to discuss our platform tell us to 'Light yourself on fire', Wall Street is essentially telling us that stocks will plummet if we go through with this, and in every poll we take with ordinary citizens, the most popular answer ends up being a write-in option, 'I hope you get Super Aids and die'."

"I see. The message is clear, Bill...a secret message, that is. Obviously the respondents fear reprisal from the Main Stream Media, so they are coding their responses of 'Atta boy, go get 'em' and 'We're behind you100%'. Bill, tell the people manning the phones to start acknowledging these secret messages in some way, maybe touching their knows or winking knowingly."

"They don't use video phones, sir."

"You know I'm not a computer geek Bill, I didn't understand any of that. Anyway, I'm off to our secret underground lair to fornicate with St. Reagan's mummified penis."
2013-09-30 10:24:36 AM
1 votes:

cman: [ilk.uvt.nl image 591x327]

The computer eventually did learn when to give up. These farktards are delusional.


Moral of Story: If at first you don't succeed, give up. No not strive to overcome any obstacles. Submit that you are a Fail at everything and never even try.

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2013-09-30 10:08:05 AM
1 votes:

Cyclometh: They really think the Senate's gonna blink? What in the actual fark.


This is now bigger than partisanship. It doesn't matter what party's in power. The Senate does not look kindly on being told by the House what to do. It has its own institutional memory and sees itself as above the rabblerousing of the House. It may be good or bad but that's the truth. Now the House is pissing off the Senate qua Senate.
2013-09-30 10:05:14 AM
1 votes:
i.imgur.com

National Funk Congress Deadlocked On Get Up/Get Down Issue

CHOCOLATE CITY-After months of ceaseless debate, including last week's record 76-hour filibuster slap-bass solo from Senate Rubber Band Minority Leader Bootsy Collins (D-OH), the National Funk Congress is no closer to resolving its deadlock over the controversial "get up/get down" issue, insiders reported Monday.  "Get up-uh, get on up! Get up-uh, get on up!" shouted Getuplican Party supporters on the steps of the Capitol as the debate, as well as a massive 14-piece instrumental jam, raged within. The pro-up-getting demonstrators' chants were nearly drowned out by those of a nearby group of jungle-boogie Downocrats, who called upon all citizens to "Get down, get down!"The bitter "get up/get down" battle, which has polarized the nation's funk community, is part of a long-running battle between the two factions, rooted in more than 35 years of conflict over the direction in which the American people should shake it.

/even more troubling
2013-09-30 09:54:40 AM
1 votes:

Heraclitus: Gee, what a surprise, no plan B.


You're surprised the anti-abortion party doesn't have Plan B?
2013-09-30 09:46:33 AM
1 votes:

xxcorydxx: we should be ashamed of ourselves.


Can't disagree.
2013-09-30 09:36:15 AM
1 votes:

yukichigai: d23: Ricardo Klement: The geniuses in the Tea Party are just gunning to minimize the 2014 midterm gains.

If they are working for the Democrats then they *are* all geniuses.  Somehow I doubt that's the case.

The Tea Party is performance art that failed to properly establish itself as satire, thus attracting a following of confused, delusional people who thought the original performers were actually serious.  My years long hatred of performance art in all its forms has been thoroughly vindicated since 2010.


The TP movement was a brilliant, well-orchistrated push to get states to elect Republican legislators and governors who would gerrymander the shiat outta their states.  It worked.  Now they're safe to pull this crap without reprocussions.

Performance art?  Yup...major league performance art.
2013-09-30 09:06:35 AM
1 votes:

jakomo002: How in the world do such blatant and idiotic liars consistently get re-elected? Wow.


theeverlastinggopstoppers.com
This is Elbridge Gerry. FANS OF DEMOCRACY HATE THIS GUY!!!  Using his one little trick will keep you in office, even if public support is against you.
2013-09-30 09:05:51 AM
1 votes:
Really, this is all JOBOs fault - he could just bring an up or down vote in the house, and let the problem sort itself out. Pity JOBO is spineless.
2013-09-30 09:03:10 AM
1 votes:

Aristocles: House Republicans Really Believe Democrats Will Cave On Obamacare To Avoid A Government Shutdown

This is a moot point as the teabagger want a govt shut down and they want Obamacare to be defunded/repealed/improved.

It's really a win-win for teabagger.

Checkmate, BOB.


Like all conservatives, always willing to claim victory for winning a game where they can set up the pieces as they please.
2013-09-30 09:02:44 AM
1 votes:

d23: farker99: The only problem is that the folks he represents think he is sane.

Issa, Bachman, Gohmert, King... this is the fruit of the idiots being about to put in their own districts and gerrymander.

It's time for computers to create districts.  Creating algorithms to do it is trivial.  We have to let the sane start speaking over the insane again.


I have this recurring dream where the DOJ finds some sort of technicality that allows the President to mandate nationwide computerized redistricting via Executive Order.  I always wake up with a large smile and sheets that need to be changed.
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-09-30 08:59:55 AM
1 votes:

cman: jakomo002: How in the world do such blatant and idiotic liars consistently get re-elected? Wow.

Because everyone hates Congress except they believe that their state sent the right people


Well I don't.  My state reps are all idiots.
2013-09-30 08:51:34 AM
1 votes:
How in the world do such blatant and idiotic liars consistently get re-elected? Wow.
2013-09-30 08:49:14 AM
1 votes:
If you were to call these people turds, you'd get an angry letter from the ATDL (Anti Turd-Defamation League) demanding you cease and desist from this pernicious slander of good turds everywhere. And they'd be right.
2013-09-30 08:43:03 AM
1 votes:
Ahh...the righteous indignation of liars, con men, and reprobates.

Issa's the kind of guy who cuts you off in traffic then gives you the finger.
2013-09-30 08:38:39 AM
1 votes:
But don't you dare call them racists.
 
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