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(Huffington Post)   "What would happen if the Senate rejects your bill of failure?" Rep. Issa "How DARE YOU" He then proceeded to scream about BENGHAZI for 20 minutes before being tranquillized by the majority whip and brought to the floor for a vote   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 127
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2013-09-30 11:35:13 AM  
If the ACA isn't funded out of this budget, and the exchanges will still go live this week regardless of the shutdown, what the holy fark does this actually accomplish other than:

 - sate teabaggers
 - hurt a fragile economy
 - hurt average Americans

???

You're a RINO if you don't do something loud and self-destructive but ultimately meaningless?!?
 
2013-09-30 11:35:15 AM  
The House of Representatives, ladies and gentlemen, in a nutshell.

They don't care about you. Most of these assholes think that they're in the fight of their lives, struggling against evil to uphold their ideological purity, even at the expense of actual dead Americans. The others are just impotent, aghast at the damage caused by the GOP tafurs now running the House.

The Republicans in the House have just screwed America, deliberately, because they think that they can get away with it. That's their only reason for it.

The fun part? The Republicans in the Senate love this shiat. Why? Because, come 2014 & 2016, those Senators are going to look like moderate statesmen compared to the poo-flinging morons currently running the House. The majority in the House is safe enough to allow them to do this - the Senate's another matter. So, the Senate can play the straight man to the House's crazy-ass shenanigans and some of them can capitalize on it during their upcoming campaigns.

Just remember, folks - the GOP doesn't care about you. They care about themselves, and the folks paying them. That's it.
 
2013-09-30 11:45:06 AM  

qorkfiend: Infernalist: verbaltoxin: Infernalist: verbaltoxin: qorkfiend: AngryDragon: You all really need to learn how to set and maintain boundaries with these dirtbags.  Smack them down once, hard.  It will be a long time before they rise again.

How? The voters routinely fail to hold Republicans accountable for their actions in office. The shutdown and impeachment in the 90s had absolutely no short-term effect on the balance of power, and by 2002 the GOP was in full control of both elected branches of government. I have serious doubts that the GOP's actions this time around will come at a significant electoral price.

This. For all the caterwauling about the GOP relegating itself to a regional party, a lot of you underestimate the size of those regions. And their loyalty.

You can't gerrymander your way into the WH, nor into controlling the Senate.

Right now the GOP are proving they don't need control there to f*ck up our government.

And that sort of obstinate obstructionism has consequences.  The 'Do-Nothing' Republican Congress of the 1940s was soon followed by 40 years of the Congress being controlled by the Democrats.

Those that ignore history....

I don't know if the 40s are really analogous. In the late 40s, the Democrats had just successfully led the country through the Great Depression and World War II (not to mention that Republican economic mismanagement and Hoovervilles were a living memory to pretty much the entire voting population) and so the Democrats had a large surplus of political goodwill to tap. Modern Democrats have no similar track record of success.


I don't know if the last 5 years are really analogous.  In the last 5 years, the Democrats have managed to successfully lead the country through the worst economic disaster since the Great Depression and two GOP-instigated wars(not to mention the GOP economic and military mismanagement).
 
2013-09-30 11:50:09 AM  

d23: The failure of the average voter to see all the puppetry going on right now just blows my mind.


during a phone conversation yesterday a good friends said: "what government shutdown?" now i know she isn't a fan of the evening news and certainly not the political junky i am but DAMN how can you not know this is in the news.
 
2013-09-30 11:58:33 AM  

Infernalist: qorkfiend: Infernalist: verbaltoxin: Infernalist: verbaltoxin: qorkfiend: AngryDragon: You all really need to learn how to set and maintain boundaries with these dirtbags.  Smack them down once, hard.  It will be a long time before they rise again.

How? The voters routinely fail to hold Republicans accountable for their actions in office. The shutdown and impeachment in the 90s had absolutely no short-term effect on the balance of power, and by 2002 the GOP was in full control of both elected branches of government. I have serious doubts that the GOP's actions this time around will come at a significant electoral price.

This. For all the caterwauling about the GOP relegating itself to a regional party, a lot of you underestimate the size of those regions. And their loyalty.

You can't gerrymander your way into the WH, nor into controlling the Senate.

Right now the GOP are proving they don't need control there to f*ck up our government.

And that sort of obstinate obstructionism has consequences.  The 'Do-Nothing' Republican Congress of the 1940s was soon followed by 40 years of the Congress being controlled by the Democrats.

Those that ignore history....

I don't know if the 40s are really analogous. In the late 40s, the Democrats had just successfully led the country through the Great Depression and World War II (not to mention that Republican economic mismanagement and Hoovervilles were a living memory to pretty much the entire voting population) and so the Democrats had a large surplus of political goodwill to tap. Modern Democrats have no similar track record of success.

I don't know if the last 5 years are really analogous.  In the last 5 years, the Democrats have managed to successfully lead the country through the worst economic disaster since the Great Depression and two GOP-instigated wars(not to mention the GOP economic and military mismanagement).


Well, sure, but I don't think a lot of people would agree that modern Democratic economic stewardship has been the populist success that the New Deal was, or that the turmoil in the Middle East represents the level of crisis that World War II did.
 
2013-09-30 12:05:44 PM  

qorkfiend: Infernalist: qorkfiend: Infernalist: verbaltoxin: Infernalist: verbaltoxin: qorkfiend: AngryDragon: You all really need to learn how to set and maintain boundaries with these dirtbags.  Smack them down once, hard.  It will be a long time before they rise again.

How? The voters routinely fail to hold Republicans accountable for their actions in office. The shutdown and impeachment in the 90s had absolutely no short-term effect on the balance of power, and by 2002 the GOP was in full control of both elected branches of government. I have serious doubts that the GOP's actions this time around will come at a significant electoral price.

This. For all the caterwauling about the GOP relegating itself to a regional party, a lot of you underestimate the size of those regions. And their loyalty.

You can't gerrymander your way into the WH, nor into controlling the Senate.

Right now the GOP are proving they don't need control there to f*ck up our government.

And that sort of obstinate obstructionism has consequences.  The 'Do-Nothing' Republican Congress of the 1940s was soon followed by 40 years of the Congress being controlled by the Democrats.

Those that ignore history....

I don't know if the 40s are really analogous. In the late 40s, the Democrats had just successfully led the country through the Great Depression and World War II (not to mention that Republican economic mismanagement and Hoovervilles were a living memory to pretty much the entire voting population) and so the Democrats had a large surplus of political goodwill to tap. Modern Democrats have no similar track record of success.

I don't know if the last 5 years are really analogous.  In the last 5 years, the Democrats have managed to successfully lead the country through the worst economic disaster since the Great Depression and two GOP-instigated wars(not to mention the GOP economic and military mismanagement).

Well, sure, but I don't think a lot of people would agree that modern Democratic economic ...


Do we need to drop a couple of atom bombs on Syria, maybe?

I mean, the Democrats have already pushed through their version of Social Security/Medicare.  Shepherded us through a number of military actions and got us out of two wars...Led us through the 2008 economic meltdown...

I suspect that the only ones not impressed with the Democratic efforts over the last 5 years are people who are never going to like the Democrats, no matter what they do.
 
2013-09-30 12:06:09 PM  
""You're going from saying, 'Do away with Obamacare for good, total, ever, ever and ever,' to saying, 'Just delay it, suspend it, just for 12 months.' That's a big concession," said Rep. Scott Garrett (R-N.J.). "

I'll give you three guesses to what the GOP will do in 12 months if this proposal is accepted and the first two don't count.
 
2013-09-30 12:09:25 PM  

red230: ""You're going from saying, 'Do away with Obamacare for good, total, ever, ever and ever,' to saying, 'Just delay it, suspend it, just for 12 months.' That's a big concession," said Rep. Scott Garrett (R-N.J.). "

I'll give you three guesses to what the GOP will do in 12 months if this proposal is accepted and the first two don't count.


In twelve months, they think they'll control the Senate and be able to force the President to veto their DEFUND OBAMACARE NOW bill, bill after bill after bill, until 2016.
 
2013-09-30 12:23:17 PM  
I heard Boehner on NPR a little while ago.. something about how 'the House did its job on Saturday night, the American People have spoken, and we've acted to help the millions of people suffering under Obamacare.'

Yes, I SCREAMED at the radio.  And of course, no one on NPR said anything about how incredibly dishonest and full of shiat it was.
 
2013-09-30 12:38:41 PM  

red230: ""You're going from saying, 'Do away with Obamacare for good, total, ever, ever and ever,' to saying, 'Just delay it, suspend it, just for 12 months.' That's a big concession," said Rep. Scott Garrett (R-N.J.). "

I'll give you three guesses to what the GOP will do in 12 months if this proposal is accepted and the first two don't count.


Just extend the Bush tax cuts a little longer. Come on, that's fair - right? It's not like we're trying to make them permanent! Just a little longer...
 
2013-09-30 12:52:24 PM  

Alphax: I heard Boehner on NPR a little while ago.. something about how 'the House did its job on Saturday night, the American People have spoken, and we've acted to help the millions of people suffering under Obamacare.'

Yes, I SCREAMED at the radio.  And of course, no one on NPR said anything about how incredibly dishonest and full of shiat it was.


First: I would've said "John, stop hitting the bottle."
Second: I would've said "You mean like on Election Night last year John?"
 
2013-09-30 01:01:11 PM  
Man these fools know they're selling a train full of bullshiat. You can tell by just watching them talk about it. The thing is it's the only train they've got right now so they're willing to ride it all the way out.
 
2013-09-30 01:01:17 PM  

Aristocles: House Republicans Really Believe Democrats Will Cave On Obamacare To Avoid A Government Shutdown

This is a moot point as the teabagger want a govt shut down and they want Obamacare to be defunded/repealed/improved.

It's really a win-win for teabagger.

Checkmate, BOB.


thanks ASS, i figured you would be here spamming
 
2013-09-30 01:08:57 PM  

Diogenes: If the ACA isn't funded out of this budget, and the exchanges will still go live this week regardless of the shutdown, what the holy fark does this actually accomplish other than:

 - sate teabaggers
 - hurt a fragile economy
 - hurt average Americans

???

You're a RINO if you don't do something loud and self-destructive but ultimately meaningless?!?


Even though a lot of these idiots are from deep red districts and thus safe from any real Dem challenger, never underestimate the chances of the GOP to dig up someone even more crazy to challenge them from the right if they 'support' the ACA.

And that's the cycle of life in today's GOP.  The crazies trying to out crazy the people that are more crazy.
 
2013-09-30 01:14:03 PM  

red230: ""You're going from saying, 'Do away with Obamacare for good, total, ever, ever and ever,' to saying, 'Just delay it, suspend it, just for 12 months.' That's a big concession," said Rep. Scott Garrett (R-N.J.). "

I'll give you three guesses to what the GOP will do in 12 months if this proposal is accepted and the first two don't count.


Tax cuts for the top 1%?
 
2013-09-30 01:14:40 PM  

TV's Vinnie: Moral of Story: If at first you don't succeed, give up. No not strive to overcome any obstacles. Submit that you are a Fail at everything and never even try.


At first?  You mean the 40+ failed bills to repeal, a failed Presidential candidacy centered on getting rid of the ACA, and the farking Supreme Court upholding the law aren't enough?

Farking 'at first' my ass.  We're in the realm of one of those Japanese soldiers still fighting World War 2 fifteen years after the war's end on some rock in the middle of the Pacific.
 
2013-09-30 01:15:36 PM  

Shrugging Atlas: Diogenes: If the ACA isn't funded out of this budget, and the exchanges will still go live this week regardless of the shutdown, what the holy fark does this actually accomplish other than:

 - sate teabaggers
 - hurt a fragile economy
 - hurt average Americans

???

You're a RINO if you don't do something loud and self-destructive but ultimately meaningless?!?

Even though a lot of these idiots are from deep red districts and thus safe from any real Dem challenger, never underestimate the chances of the GOP to dig up someone even more crazy to challenge them from the right if they 'support' the ACA.

And that's the cycle of life in today's GOP.  The crazies trying to out crazy the people that are more crazy.


Whenever a party becomes solely about ideological purity, it is destined for the dust bins of history.
 
2013-09-30 01:21:50 PM  

Caffienatedjedi: Scott Garrett (R-N.J.).



As a resident of NJ, let me apologize for this dumbfark. You should read his wikipedia page sometime. Every other sentence is "He was the only NJ rep to vote against/for this." For farks sake, dude voted AGAINST Sandy relief.
 
2013-09-30 01:33:42 PM  
Remember kids, when you paint yourself into a corner, the best response is "NO YOU!"

40% of the time, it works every time...
 
2013-09-30 01:41:38 PM  

qorkfiend: Well, sure, but I don't think a lot of people would agree that modern Democratic economic stewardship has been the populist success that the New Deal was, or that the turmoil in the Middle East represents the level of crisis that World War II did.


You know that a lot of people are not very bright when you can find the facts on FoxBusiness that give the lie to their beliefs.
 
2013-09-30 01:43:06 PM  
Here's what I love:
This is just what the Republicans wanted for a 2 month budget extension.    This is just what they wanted FOR TWO farkING MONTHS.

Which means they were fully intending for asking for more before the year was even out.
 
2013-09-30 01:46:32 PM  

hubiestubert: Remember kids, when you paint yourself into a corner, the best response is "NO YOU!"
40% of the time, it works every time...


Sadly, it does.
It used to be that when you knew you were wrong, you admitted fault, took your earned lumps, and moved forward.
Now? There's even a wiki for derpling down and doing the wrong thing.
 
2013-09-30 01:59:03 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: hubiestubert: Remember kids, when you paint yourself into a corner, the best response is "NO YOU!"
40% of the time, it works every time...

Sadly, it does.
It used to be that when you knew you were wrong, you admitted fault, took your earned lumps, and moved forward.
Now? There's even a wiki for derpling down and doing the wrong thing.


It helps when you have a news network, and publishing houses to retcon what you've said, and its context constantly. Of course, there's the chance that folks have access to sources that have actually recorded what you've said, that aren't edited with the offending bits out, but then again, you just have to attack the credibility of those sources, especially for being ideologically motivated, and then substitute your own sources with the edited versions, and then claim that the bits just don't matter, because the crux of the argument remains the same.

Yes, it's disingenuous, but the Rove model is to win, and a LOT of folks have followed the somewhat ethically plastic method, because it works on the rubes. And it works, because people like to win, and they like to see their side win. Our politics today are less and less about actual issues, but more about being on the winning team, and seeing your Representatives and Congresscritters as fantasy league players. It doesn't really do the public discourse much good, and it has seen a LOT of really crappy stuff get passed without much fuss or bother--or rather, the folks who might actually be interested in seeing it, don't because their main source for news refuses to report anything that might show their team in a bad light.

Our media at this time is not quite broken, but it's damaged fair heavy, and folks like its damaged features far too much to ever think about fixing it, or even suggesting that it needs to be addressed. Unless of course, they are getting hammered by OTHER sources that folks might not be able to escape from, then they demand "fair" treatment. Mind you, these are folks who really have been pleased by a fall of the fairness doctrine, but boy howdy do they like to try to invoke it when their own words come around to bite them on the ass...
 
2013-09-30 02:31:42 PM  

jayhawk88: You really have to wonder what the thought process of these morons are, at this point:

"Bill, it's the big day! We sent back a proposal that once again asked for everything we want, while demanding our opponents give up everything they want, and this time we think they will agree to our skillful negotiation because Magic. What do the polls say, Bill, what's our Q rating?"

"Well, 9 out of 10 CEO's describe themselves as 'aghast', every small business we call to discuss our platform tell us to 'Light yourself on fire', Wall Street is essentially telling us that stocks will plummet if we go through with this, and in every poll we take with ordinary citizens, the most popular answer ends up being a write-in option, 'I hope you get Super Aids and die'."

"I see. The message is clear, Bill...a secret message, that is. Obviously the respondents fear reprisal from the Main Stream Media, so they are coding their responses of 'Atta boy, go get 'em' and 'We're behind you100%'. Bill, tell the people manning the phones to start acknowledging these secret messages in some way, maybe touching their knows or winking knowingly."

"They don't use video phones, sir."

"You know I'm not a computer geek Bill, I didn't understand any of that. Anyway, I'm off to our secret underground lair to fornicate with St. Reagan's mummified penis."


The more I read your post, the harder I laugh.

/so glad I'm on break in my car right now
 
2013-09-30 02:33:37 PM  

Shrugging Atlas: TV's Vinnie: Moral of Story: If at first you don't succeed, give up. No not strive to overcome any obstacles. Submit that you are a Fail at everything and never even try.

At first?  You mean the 40+ failed bills to repeal, a failed Presidential candidacy centered on getting rid of the ACA, and the farking Supreme Court upholding the law aren't enough?

Farking 'at first' my ass.  We're in the realm of one of those Japanese soldiers still fighting World War 2 fifteen years after the war's end on some rock in the middle of the Pacific.


I find the idea of just giving up not only weak but somewhat conformist. The gop are dipsh*ts for trying to push this again and again (and their stupidity amuses me and helps let the rest of the world know how much Fail they are), but I won't tell anyone to just give up on anything. That's defeatist.
 
2013-09-30 04:34:23 PM  

doyner: yukichigai: d23: Ricardo Klement: The geniuses in the Tea Party are just gunning to minimize the 2014 midterm gains.

If they are working for the Democrats then they *are* all geniuses.  Somehow I doubt that's the case.

The Tea Party is performance art that failed to properly establish itself as satire, thus attracting a following of confused, delusional people who thought the original performers were actually serious.  My years long hatred of performance art in all its forms has been thoroughly vindicated since 2010.

The TP movement was a brilliant, well-orchistrated push to get states to elect Republican legislators and governors who would gerrymander the shiat outta their states.  It worked.  Now they're safe to pull this crap without reprocussions.

Performance art?  Yup...major league performance art.


d23: AngryDragon: FTA: "Much of the GOP thinking seems to be rooted in the fact that Obama has already delayed some provisions. So why not delay the whole law? "

See Democrats?  Those of us who are prior Republicans tried to tell you.  Dealing with a conservative is like dealing with a teenager.  If you give in on something it is NOT seen as rational compromise.  It is seen as weakness.  It doesn't foster cooperation it encourages more conflict.

You all really need to learn how to set and maintain boundaries with these dirtbags.  Smack them down once, hard.  It will be a long time before they rise again.

I don't really like the "teenager" analogy, basically because the majority of teenagers I've known in my life have MUCH better reasoning ability than people in the tea party.
&##x22ee;


Stop calling them that!!

That name was already taken years before they even formed! They're not entitled to that name!

Call them by the name that they chose themselves at their founding, knowing full well what it meant:

"Teabaggers."
 
2013-09-30 10:05:07 PM  

farker99: SilentStrider: Issa needs to be locked in a padded room far away from sharp objects.

The only problem is that the folks he represents think he is sane.

Completely sane. So just think about the people in Eastern San Diego County for a minute in that light and then you understand why they think having BlackWater open a training camp is good for the area.


It is an act. Watch Issa on Bill Maher's show, he doesn't get this energized or derpy
 
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