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2013-10-01 08:35:08 AM
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SteakMan: Every SONY product I've owned has had /something/ that annoyed the heck out of me.  With my MD player, it was the inability to rip from USB when I could write to MD over USB.


Yep it's the same with all Sony products, there is something it *SHOULD* be able to do and it kinda does other stuff similar but just not this one thing, you know that no engineer would implement it in that half assed manner.  Which is what I said about the PS4: it might be gods gift but it's from Sony so it's going to be really annoying in some way.

And that annoyance is usually down to Sony Music and their movie company (Sony Pictures?)..
2013-10-01 08:08:27 AM
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Latinwolf: if it came a few years earlier, maybe, but the iPods killed the market for that, influencing people to go with MP3 players which had a larger music library capacity.


Minidisk was useful, Minidisk was an awesome format.  Minidisk also had a helping hand from Sony Music, which meant a lot of playback machines lost their ability to record on their own (usually via line-in), you also had the worlds worst software when it came to dumping content to the devices in the first place.

And this is Sony we're talking about so the disks themselves were actually quite expensive for no apparent reason, just like those micro-SD cards with two pins swapped around that they use on the PS Vita.

And that helping hand from Sony Music is pretty much the reason you can look at any of Sony's recent electronics tat and go 'Ohhh, that's why they made it in that annoying way' or 'Ohh, that's why it doesn't have this feature'.   I'd go so far as to say the reason Sony went from electronics mega-corp to being financially on its knees begging for mercy (comparative speaking) is soley down to the Sony/BGM people and their involvement in other projects.
2013-09-30 10:06:54 PM
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NBSV: I've still got a MD player. It was far better than the MP3 players at the time. Would run for most of the week at work on a single battery, and could fit plenty of music on a couple of high capacity discs. I still dig it out from time to time since it has music on it I don't have on anything else.

I think many of the things they did are in retrospect failures, but at the time they were different options that often were better. MP3s were crap, and still are in some ways, but the ease of sharing and other factors helped them win out in the long run. That's just how stuff works. Multiple ways of achieving something sprout up and eventually one wins out and the other(s) fade away only to be rembered as a stupid idea.

I also can't remember being let down by sony products like I have by many others.


Every SONY product I've owned has had /something/ that annoyed the heck out of me.  With my MD player, it was the inability to rip from USB when I could write to MD over USB.
2013-09-30 06:13:32 PM
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Latinwolf: TuteTibiImperes: Mad_Radhu: skozlaw: Sony was weird. Most of that stuff is old. Makes me wonder if the same culture shift that resulted in them sliding from respected electronics giant to malware manufacturer also cut engineers off from experimenting with goofy ideas.

The malware was from the Bad Idea Bears over at Sony Music, a whole separate division of the company. Unfortunately, their meddling is probably what cost Sony the DAP market by insisting on stupid things like requiring early Walkman player convert all music transferred to the player into DRM'd ATRAC format music instead of just playing normal MP3s like every other player on the market.

For a while back in the early '00s, Sony's Minidisc players were some of the best on the market, and they really had a huge leg up on comparable MP3 players in terms of size, music capacity, and price.  They even made some that you could connect to your PC via USB to transfer music over, but IIRC it only worked in real time, and had some funky DRM thing going on as well.  It's a shame, Minidisc was an awesome format, nearly lossless compression, virtually skip-proof, the discs were hard to damage, and the players and discs were tiny, it should have caught on.

if it came a few years earlier, maybe, but the iPods killed the market for that, influencing people to go with MP3 players which had a larger music library capacity.


I had two MD players back in the late 90s. The "funky DRM" thing was a concession to the RIAA at the time if I remember correctly... Basically, you could record in high quality digital format, but they were crippled to only allow analog dubbing to other MD players (you could still dub digitally to DAT) to prevent users from flooding the market with cheap digital bootlegs.

I was running a jazz club at the time, and I made some awesome recordings of some pretty big names using my little Sony player. From what I understand, a lot of amateur recording nerds still use MD for its portability.
2013-09-30 04:26:28 PM
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blacksharpiemarker: The last support of mine Sony got was for a VAIO I purchased back in 2005. Within two years the damn thing ceased to function due to a noted manufacturer defect. Do you think Sony cared to resolve the issue for the many customers they screwed over with their shoddy merchandise? No, and so that was the last of my money they ever saw.


The lesson here is: NEVER EVER buy a Sony PC.  Overpriced, underperforming POS.  That's one place Sony either needs to get out of or hire people that know what to do with PCs.  Sony trying to be the Apple of PCs is one of the dumbest ideas they've had.
2013-09-30 02:23:57 PM
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Lawnchair: Every so often I want to forgive Sony for dumb shiat, then I find new dumb Sony shiat.


Same with me.  Some of their stuff is brilliant but some of it is just garbage or even worse it's beautiful but implemented so poorly that it makes you pine for what it could have been. I'm looking at you PS3 you magnificent turd.  I remember turning to my wife when reading patch notes for the PS3 and saying the following, "Look at this crap they are backslapping themselves about adding text chat functionality to the PS3 when the Xbox has had voice chat for years."

How can you hate on a company that made the minidisc though? I loved those things and they were miles ahead of the MP3 players available at the time.  "Oh you need to buy an expensive memory card* to increase your storage? That sucks. Hey look 5 mini-discs for $10!"

The original discman was great too. Yes it did destroy CDS if you used it wrong, but that was your fault not the hardware.

*Yes they used to be expensive, small, and unreliable
2013-09-30 12:51:41 PM
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Another vote for the minidisc. 40 hours of radio programs on one small disc, the player gets 120 hours per 'aa' battery. The company sort of lost its' way when Morita died. He was quite the salesman, always trying to get my father to work for the company. At one point Raytheon owned a substantial part of the company.a couple of times when stranded traveling I have seen iPhones/mp3 players die and not being able to find a socket. I just drop in another 'aa' battery. Same with my ebook reader - runs on two 'aaa' batteries for weeks.
Of course, that is my backup ebook reader, the kindle paper white is awesome and my primary when traveling. Another travel hint while I digress. Carry two phones. An ancient flip that can be used as a backup due to the extended battery life (and can be charged from two 'aa' batteries) as well as your smartphone that  doesn't have a huge battery life.

My favorite story was when Sony was buying RCA records. The stock market crashed and the purchase price in the contract went up a couple of hundred million due to the exchange rate. Morita was asked is he wanted to call off the deal, he said to go through with it. As it tuns out later, the RCA hq in Japan at the then real estate rates was worth more than the rest of the company. Sony got the floor space they needed to expand and got a huge entertainment company tossed in "for free".
2013-09-30 11:48:52 AM
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Mad_Radhu: skozlaw: Sony was weird. Most of that stuff is old. Makes me wonder if the same culture shift that resulted in them sliding from respected electronics giant to malware manufacturer also cut engineers off from experimenting with goofy ideas.

The malware was from the Bad Idea Bears over at Sony Music, a whole separate division of the company. Unfortunately, their meddling is probably what cost Sony the DAP market by insisting on stupid things like requiring early Walkman player convert all music transferred to the player into DRM'd ATRAC format music instead of just playing normal MP3s like every other player on the market.


For a while back in the early '00s, Sony's Minidisc players were some of the best on the market, and they really had a huge leg up on comparable MP3 players in terms of size, music capacity, and price.  They even made some that you could connect to your PC via USB to transfer music over, but IIRC it only worked in real time, and had some funky DRM thing going on as well.  It's a shame, Minidisc was an awesome format, nearly lossless compression, virtually skip-proof, the discs were hard to damage, and the players and discs were tiny, it should have caught on.
 
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