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2013-09-30 09:35:59 PM  

Fubegra: diggumsmax: I wish SCD would of stuck around.  It and DVD Audio were fighting for a super niche market.  5.1 High Definition Audio sounds amazing, I used to have a DVD player that played the format so I ordered 2 Audio DVD's that were remastered for 5.1 and they sounded amazing on a decent surround sound setup.  The problem is back then most people didn't have 5.1 systems.  Way more people have them today and I would pay more for digital 5.1 versions of music but sadly that will probably never happen even though it's more practical today then it was ten years ago.

SACD faded into relative obscurity for good reason, IMO. As with so many other Sony technologies, the record company boys sabotaged it. SACD players will only play discs that are digitally signed - and only the pressing plants have the signing keys. You can't burn your own, regardless of how much you like DSD audio. It's another way to lock out the little guys in the name of "fighting piracy."


True but I was talking about a high definition audio format in general, not Sony's in particular.  DVD Audio could be easily copied.  They just both died, the record industry never really seemed embrace either as they where niche for their time, having a 5.1 receiver that could do digital 10 years ago was not common.  You can get 5.1 audio for home theater, your computer, and I believe even newer cars are 5.1.  My point is it would be nice to see a digital replacement but that will never happen because the studio's have to go back and remaster it in 5.1 which cost money and their isn't enough demand for it to justify the costs.  Besides, no disk encryption has ever worked, look at how much Sony and their Blu-Ray partners paid to add BD+ on top of another level of encryption.  It was hacked in 2 months.
 
2013-09-30 10:06:54 PM  

NBSV: I've still got a MD player. It was far better than the MP3 players at the time. Would run for most of the week at work on a single battery, and could fit plenty of music on a couple of high capacity discs. I still dig it out from time to time since it has music on it I don't have on anything else.

I think many of the things they did are in retrospect failures, but at the time they were different options that often were better. MP3s were crap, and still are in some ways, but the ease of sharing and other factors helped them win out in the long run. That's just how stuff works. Multiple ways of achieving something sprout up and eventually one wins out and the other(s) fade away only to be rembered as a stupid idea.

I also can't remember being let down by sony products like I have by many others.


Every SONY product I've owned has had /something/ that annoyed the heck out of me.  With my MD player, it was the inability to rip from USB when I could write to MD over USB.
 
2013-09-30 10:26:17 PM  

Z-clipped: Electrify: Z-clipped: Electrify: I really wish OLED small TVs and monitors would become a thing already. Yes I know that you can get a big screen one now, but I find that large LCDs tend to produce better colour than small ones.

/heck, just give me a 7" AMOLED tablet already and I will be happy

Samsung Galaxy Tab 7.7

Your welcome.

Are the new Tabs AMOLED? I thought they were still LCDs?

Nope, all of the newer phones and the Note 1, 2 and 3 are AMOLED, but that was the only Tab that was built with it. It's also "super AMOLED", which supposedly compensates for the usual lack of brightness those displays have.

You can still buy the 7.7, but they aren't cheap, and they're only available on Verizon if you want 3/4G.


Ahh. I'm in Canada, so no Verizon for me (even though there was rumour they were going to start up here). Perhaps it is available with one of our Big 3 providers?

Either way, I was just commenting that it would be nice to see an OLED screen crack the 7" barrier (not including the one off TV in the link, and the 50"+ screens coming out), and I see that has happened. I'm good with my 2012 Nexus 7 and its washed out display :/

/my GS3 screen might be a few inches smaller, but holy hell are the colours rich on it!
 
2013-10-01 06:43:59 AM  
Looks like if Sony followed up on a few of those ideas they would still be the major player they once were.
 
2013-10-01 07:54:39 AM  

diggumsmax: Fubegra: diggumsmax: I wish SCD would of stuck around.  It and DVD Audio were fighting for a super niche market.  5.1 High Definition Audio sounds amazing, I used to have a DVD player that played the format so I ordered 2 Audio DVD's that were remastered for 5.1 and they sounded amazing on a decent surround sound setup.  The problem is back then most people didn't have 5.1 systems.  Way more people have them today and I would pay more for digital 5.1 versions of music but sadly that will probably never happen even though it's more practical today then it was ten years ago.

SACD faded into relative obscurity for good reason, IMO. As with so many other Sony technologies, the record company boys sabotaged it. SACD players will only play discs that are digitally signed - and only the pressing plants have the signing keys. You can't burn your own, regardless of how much you like DSD audio. It's another way to lock out the little guys in the name of "fighting piracy."

True but I was talking about a high definition audio format in general, not Sony's in particular.  DVD Audio could be easily copied.  They just both died, the record industry never really seemed embrace either as they where niche for their time, having a 5.1 receiver that could do digital 10 years ago was not common.  You can get 5.1 audio for home theater, your computer, and I believe even newer cars are 5.1.  My point is it would be nice to see a digital replacement but that will never happen because the studio's have to go back and remaster it in 5.1 which cost money and their isn't enough demand for it to justify the costs.  Besides, no disk encryption has ever worked, look at how much Sony and their Blu-Ray partners paid to add BD+ on top of another level of encryption.  It was hacked in 2 months.


You don't even need a massive setup anymore either. My headphones have built in Dolby 7.1 virtual surround. Obviously not as good as the real thing, but allows the experience of 3D sound without the need for wires cluttering everything up.

Alas, the music industry decided to unleash Miley Cyrus upon the world rather than invest in good music and sound reproduction.
 
2013-10-01 08:08:27 AM  

Latinwolf: if it came a few years earlier, maybe, but the iPods killed the market for that, influencing people to go with MP3 players which had a larger music library capacity.


Minidisk was useful, Minidisk was an awesome format.  Minidisk also had a helping hand from Sony Music, which meant a lot of playback machines lost their ability to record on their own (usually via line-in), you also had the worlds worst software when it came to dumping content to the devices in the first place.

And this is Sony we're talking about so the disks themselves were actually quite expensive for no apparent reason, just like those micro-SD cards with two pins swapped around that they use on the PS Vita.

And that helping hand from Sony Music is pretty much the reason you can look at any of Sony's recent electronics tat and go 'Ohhh, that's why they made it in that annoying way' or 'Ohh, that's why it doesn't have this feature'.   I'd go so far as to say the reason Sony went from electronics mega-corp to being financially on its knees begging for mercy (comparative speaking) is soley down to the Sony/BGM people and their involvement in other projects.
 
2013-10-01 08:35:08 AM  

SteakMan: Every SONY product I've owned has had /something/ that annoyed the heck out of me.  With my MD player, it was the inability to rip from USB when I could write to MD over USB.


Yep it's the same with all Sony products, there is something it *SHOULD* be able to do and it kinda does other stuff similar but just not this one thing, you know that no engineer would implement it in that half assed manner.  Which is what I said about the PS4: it might be gods gift but it's from Sony so it's going to be really annoying in some way.

And that annoyance is usually down to Sony Music and their movie company (Sony Pictures?)..
 
2013-10-01 08:54:59 AM  
Every couple years I trawl eBay looking for one of the few MiniDisc models with a digital out, so I can transfer the live recordings I made in the early 2000s at maximum quality. I think I may have missed my window of opportunity on that: working decks are only going to get rarer and more expensive.
 
2013-10-01 10:40:45 AM  

Vaneshi: SteakMan: Every SONY product I've owned has had /something/ that annoyed the heck out of me.  With my MD player, it was the inability to rip from USB when I could write to MD over USB.

Yep it's the same with all Sony products, there is something it *SHOULD* be able to do and it kinda does other stuff similar but just not this one thing, you know that no engineer would implement it in that half assed manner.  Which is what I said about the PS4: it might be gods gift but it's from Sony so it's going to be really annoying in some way.

And that annoyance is usually down to Sony Music and their movie company (Sony Pictures?)..


I think you nailed Sony's problem.
 
2013-10-01 10:49:50 AM  

poot_rootbeer: Every couple years I trawl eBay looking for one of the few MiniDisc models with a digital out, so I can transfer the live recordings I made in the early 2000s at maximum quality. I think I may have missed my window of opportunity on that: working decks are only going to get rarer and more expensive.


Speaking of live recording, one of the biggest recent ironies from Sony has to be the PCM-M10 digital recorder. Though it can use one of Sony's ever-changing Memory Stick types, it also can (surprisingly enough) use standard MicroSD cards. At least somebody at Sony seems to be getting a clue. Of course, that's the pro audio division, not their regular consumer products group.

/the M10 wasn't around when I got my Olympus LS-10
 
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