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2013-09-30 07:57:37 AM
5 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: It's precisely this type of overhyped, breathless article that made me never watch the show to begin with.


Sure as hell hasn't kept you from biatching in every Breaking Bad thread. Seriously, no one cares that you haven't watched the show.
2013-09-30 12:33:21 AM
4 votes:

DamnYankees: My only issue - the Stevia thing didn't make sense. How and when did he put ricin inside the Stevia packet? How did he know she'd sit at that table; just last week she'd sat at a different one. Why did he need to tell her what he did - now that she knows, can't she get treatment? Sloppy.


Jesus, we were just discussing this in the live thread. Lydia and Walt ALWAYS sat at that table at 10 AM. She ALWAYS ordered chamomile tea with Stevia as she a creature of habit. Walt surely put the ricin in a packet before he entered the restaurant; he would have time to glue it up and make it look normal. It was the only packet on the table. Walt surely took care of that before Lydia showed up as well.

That's not sloppy writing; that's sloppy viewing on your part.
2013-09-29 11:55:31 PM
3 votes:
It was good, but the best ever?

That is different

It was your average Breaking Bad episode. Its hard to have the best episode ever when you have risen the bar that high
2013-09-30 04:23:13 PM
2 votes:

js34603: So the answer is no one? No one who expressed disappointment in the finale said anything about a murder rampage at Grey Matter?


I was speculating that people who were saying the ending sucked were the same ones who were speculating before the finale aired ridiculous b.s. about Walt going on a rampage at Grey Matter.

My point was that a bunch of armchair quarterbacks second guessing a brilliant show should probably stick to their day jobs.

js34603: Now it's fine to say the previous two episodes were the real "finale" and this episode was a denouement. If you're saying that, then you pretty much agree this episode is not as great as TFA thinks.


I'm not sure you really know what a denouement is, or that it is a standard in serialized storytelling. It doesn't mean it is a weak episode, not on its own nor in context of the whole. It is an essential key to wrap up a story.

If the episode ended with Ozymandias or Granite State, people would be biatching about loose ends like Jessie being left as a slave, what the fark happens to Skyler and Flynn, Hank is left lying to rot in the desert fate unknown to the world, etc. And they'd be right. That's why a denouement is so critical to the story.
2013-09-30 01:15:41 PM
2 votes:

skinink: I liked the ending. There were a few places where things that happened were kind of a stretch, but overall it was good. My thing is I felt Jesse really should have killed Walt, even if Jesse showed during the whole series that he could kill but did not enjoy it.


Him not killing Walt was the final victory for Jesse. The entire series has been Walt convincing Jesse to do things Jesse didn't want to do, convincing Jesse that this is what he wanted despite always feeling super guilty afterwards. That's why Jesse says "I want to hear the words. Tell me this is what you want." And then he refuses. He's truly free from Walt at that point.
2013-09-30 01:06:06 PM
2 votes:

SlothB77: Lots of loose ends remain for me:

What does Jessie do?  Badger/ Skinny Pete reunion?
What happens to Sky?  Does she get off?  Does she get to keep the car wash?
What does Saul do?  He is in nebraska, right?  Does he become a corn farmer?
Where is the money?  Who finds it?  Who gets to keep it?
Do the Schwartzes actually give Walt Jr the money?


How far down this rabbit hole do you want to go?

What happened to Carol's oranges, were they ruined when she dropped them on the ground?
What happens to Holly, do we need another season to show the after effects of Walt's actions on her years 2-12?
What about the waitress at the diner that the Nazi guys looked at creepily, what is she doing now?
What does Walt Jr. do with the money when he turns 18?
What about Huell, is he still sitting in that house?
Who now owns Los Pollos? Did it survive as a chicken franchise?

I mean, we could ask 8,000 more questions about every nuance, but in the end they told Walt's story, and in my opinion they wrapped it all up very well.
2013-09-30 12:13:18 PM
2 votes:
I've seen comments in here saying it was the best series finale EVAR!
I've seen comments in here saying it was just another Breaking Bad episode - hard to beat the rest when you've raised the bar so high.
I've seen comments in here saying the series finale was really "To'hajiilee" and "Ozymandias", and these last two were just mopping up.

You're all correct; the series had an internal guide, integrity, and fulfilled itself to the end. Stephen King should take note: more than one story has ended with a surprising, disingenuous turn.
2013-09-30 11:12:39 AM
2 votes:
cameroncrazy1984: It's precisely this type of overhyped, breathless article that made me never watch the show to begin with.

OMG, you are so edgy man!!!! So much a farking rebel.  Come into a thread about a show and rebel. Eff you, its people like you I hate. You knock something without even giving it an open mind and an honest try, but you will criticize the show and the people that watch it without an educated opinion.

So Fark off you piece of shiat.
2013-09-30 10:29:50 AM
2 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: It's precisely this type of overhyped, breathless article that made me never watch the show to begin with.


Lmao you come in every single Breaking Bad thread just to shiat on it. You are so much cooler than the rest of us. What a putz.
2013-09-30 10:29:22 AM
2 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: It's precisely this type of overhyped, breathless article that made me never watch the show to begin with.


 Deprive yourself of a simple pleasure. That'll show those over-enthusiastic reviewers!

They'll RUE THE DAY!
2013-09-30 08:33:22 AM
2 votes:

Mid_mo_mad_man: cameroncrazy1984: It's precisely this type of overhyped, breathless article that made me never watch the show to begin with.

I've been watching it this weekend with the wife. She's a huge fan of it. I personally think it is overrated. It's ok but not oh my god good. It's best if you ingore the cancer and taking care of his family premise. Look at it as someone who's always had to hold back his true nature. The cancer giving him an excuse to do what he does


um, that's the point of the show...
2013-09-30 08:06:45 AM
2 votes:

Beer cap: cameroncrazy1984: It's precisely this type of overhyped, breathless article that made me never watch the show to begin with.

You miss out on a lot of good things if you look for silly reasons to not take them in.


I don't see the point of going into a long thread that's about something you don't like and blindly bi*ching about it. I mean, I could go into a wrestling or brony thread and go, "man, I just don't get this, and you people are weird," but it's going to fall on deaf ears. Why bother? Likewise, if you're a fan and think that the show has gone in the wrong direction and are willing to defend that by offering up a better alternative, it's one thing, but complaining without a solution is just toothless.
2013-09-30 07:59:30 AM
2 votes:
Ozymandias was the episode that the other finales should be compared to. The last two episodes were just a fantastic slow-burn of tension.
2013-09-30 07:48:03 AM
2 votes:
It was a good, satisfying ending to the show, but "best ever" is a bit of a stretch. It'll need a few months for the newness to wear off to see how it shapes up in comparisons to great shows past.

Right now, I still think The Shield had the best finale of the last 10 years.
2013-09-30 12:35:09 AM
2 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: It's precisely this type of overhyped, breathless article that made me never watch the show to begin with.


It's really a great show. Try it on Netflix. I don't recommend a lot of stuff. This show delivers.
2013-09-30 12:30:45 AM
2 votes:
It's precisely this type of overhyped, breathless article that made me never watch the show to begin with.
2013-09-29 11:59:30 PM
2 votes:

Shostie: cman: It was good, but the best ever?

That is different

It was your average Breaking Bad episode. Its hard to have the best episode ever when you have risen the bar that high

I'd say the true finale came with the last two episodes.

This was just mopping up and turning off the lights.


I was glad to see that awful Stevia biatch die.
2013-09-30 06:23:11 PM
1 votes:
While you were all gushing about this, I was already tuning into the next hot TV show. You've probably never heard of it though because it's a Filipino telenovela.
2013-09-30 03:43:26 PM
1 votes:

taxandspend: It was a very satisfying ending, even if it did play it too safe. Pretty much everything went down as expected with the exception of Walter saving Jessie. I did appreciate Walter getting one more brilliant invention in there at the end and watching Jesse choke the life out of Todd was as satisfying as anything this season. It wasn't as good as prior episodes in the show (Crawl Space, Half Measures, Ozymandias) and I'd probably rank it behind the Scrubs finale as the second best I've ever seen. But it was still damn epic.


I think "playing it safe" might be why it was so satisfying. There was no arty fade-to-black, no kid gazing in a snowglobe, no lumberjacks, no one waking up in a bed and finding out it was all a dream. It was just a proper ending to a well-told story. I think that is so rare on TV that it's almost hard to recognize.
2013-09-30 03:24:43 PM
1 votes:
de·noue·ment
ˌdānooˈmäN/
noun
noun: denouement

1
.  the final part of a play, movie, or narrative in which the strands of the plot are drawn together and matters are explained or resolved.
2013-09-30 03:06:38 PM
1 votes:
I guess the question I left with was why Marie allowed Skyler and the kids to live in public housing when she was all alone in her house.  She may have had obvious issues with Skyler, but all through the series Marie and Hank bent over backwards to look after Walt, Jr. and Holly.
2013-09-30 01:59:45 PM
1 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: It's precisely this type of overhyped, breathless article that made me never watch the show to begin with.


That's why I never want to try sex.

Too many people say it is awesome and I am too special to enjoy what other people like.

/Must be tedious purposely avoiding things other people really like
2013-09-30 01:32:51 PM
1 votes:

Hoboclown: skinink: I liked the ending. There were a few places where things that happened were kind of a stretch, but overall it was good. My thing is I felt Jesse really should have killed Walt, even if Jesse showed during the whole series that he could kill but did not enjoy it.

Him not killing Walt was the final victory for Jesse. The entire series has been Walt convincing Jesse to do things Jesse didn't want to do, convincing Jesse that this is what he wanted despite always feeling super guilty afterwards. That's why Jesse says "I want to hear the words. Tell me this is what you want." And then he refuses. He's truly free from Walt at that point.


I 100% agree with that assessment.
2013-09-30 12:58:06 PM
1 votes:
I wonder how long ago Vince Gilligan decided to use Baby Blue by Badfinger?  For me, the song worked incredibly well for the ending.  If you had asked someone to write a song for that moment I don't think amyone could have come up with such a perfect fit
2013-09-30 12:29:40 PM
1 votes:

js34603: Sorry it wasn't that great of a finale. Taken with the last couple episodes it sort of becomes a great last season, but just on its own this one episode was slow paced, and amounted to him hopping from place to place to tie everything up in unrealistically neat bow.

Tohalijee or whatever was a much better episode. So was Ozymandias.


Considering that was the climax of the series that isn't surprising. The last two episodes were aftermaths and resolutions.
2013-09-30 11:39:14 AM
1 votes:
I think Walt intended to die with the Nazis in the gun fire. It was only after seeing Jesse was a slave that he decided to save Jesse before offing himself.

This whole episode was Walt, Heisenburg died on the phone with Jr. Walt accepted it was he who was doing htese things and for selfish reasons. Prior to that he ws always justifying his actions by his intentions and created Heisenburg as a coping mechanism.

I've always believed the axiom that we judge ourselves by our intentions while the world judges us on our actions. BrBa was a case study of this...
2013-09-30 11:08:43 AM
1 votes:
I havent watched a TV show in its entirety in 10 years. I hate cable TV. I stream everything. Hollywood sucks ass for the most part.  I started in on breaking bad from episode 1 by the time season 3 was out.

This was in my opinion the best TV show I have ever seen. From the subtle hints., to the color scheme, the soundtrack and the writing. I thought Breaking Bad was phenomenal.  Maybe the show will jump start Hollywood into better writing. Maybe we can get more shows that will finally start to break away from reality TV.
2013-09-30 10:43:39 AM
1 votes:
I love all the whiners - the show ended beautifully. For two weeks I've been saying if Walt saves Jesse in the end I will be furious...and then they STILL figure out a way for Walt to do it and somehow satisfy me. I love how he showed up there w/ just the intention to kill all the nazi's - it's not like he specifically went there to save Jesse that's just what ended up happening. I also like how he gave Jesse the chance to shoot and kill him if he would so choose to.
2013-09-30 10:42:28 AM
1 votes:
Terrible review. Not sure if that guy watched the same series.

There is no evidence Walt was "pushed out" of Grey Matter. Clearly he had some issues with them, but he did go to Elliott's birthday party.

Walt being shot by his own gun is not some amazing form of poetic justice. By that point, I am sure Walter didn't care so long as the Nazis died.
2013-09-30 10:29:57 AM
1 votes:

YoOjo: Walt's last scene alive, stroking the apparatus fondly, a homage to chemistry which along with his family was the love of his life - his last goodbye.
So powerful.
Plus I said this in the main thread but want to say it one more time, I defy anyone who has been divorced or lost a significant other not to feel overwhelmed at the scene where he one by one sees his family for the last time.
So powerful.
The show might or might not have set a new bar, that's a matter of opinion, but those two scenes will stay with me like the final minutes of the last episode of Six Feet Under.
I'll take a break from televized drama now, always sensible at times like this as nothing else will come close for a while.


I was thinking about that final scene this morning. Walt stroking the stainless steel container, then collapsing and leaving his bloody prints on the container. Walt died in a meth lab, with his fingerprints on the equipment. Many people are going to believe that that meth lab was Walt's, and he was cooking from there. They'll believe that he was the one making the great meth at the end. His legacy is intact.
2013-09-30 10:24:56 AM
1 votes:

TeamEd: Brilliant show, bad ending.
Walt was a more interesting and complex character when he was exiled to New Hampshire dying of cancer alone, hated and unable to give his family his money. And then, the last episode. Everything that happens after he leaves New Hampshire breaks his way. The last episode is him succeeding in setting his family up with money, avenging his honour, and dying on his own terms, satisfied.
In one episode he turned from the man who was finally suffering the consequences of continually over-estimating his own genius back into the guy who's simply smarter and luckier than everyone.
/ He had no plans to survive the showdown with the Nazis (remember when he was so fascinated by the ending of Scarface?). He was always going to die. It's weird he gets to die satisfied, not feeling an ounce of the suffering Jesse has.


So in other words, you desperately wanted to believe that Walter White was a horrible human being, and this ending ruined it for you.

Jesse deserves all of his suffering. All of it. Jesse was the one that caused Hank's death, and Gomie's, and Andrea's. If Jesse had just gotten in the van and gone on and lived his life with a big bag of money, then those three would still be alive, and Hank would have died from cancer anyway. Fark Jesse.
2013-09-30 10:05:52 AM
1 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: It's precisely this type of overhyped, breathless article that made me never watch the show to begin with.


You are certainly better off not knowing this show. You might have liked it. And that would have just totally ruined it for you.
2013-09-30 09:29:45 AM
1 votes:

Champion of the Sun: It wasn't bad or anything, but I was totally underwhelmed. Everything happened exactly how I thought it would going into the finale. For a show that has always kept me guessing, was kinda disappointed.


This.  Great show, just a below average example from it.  The episode was a total sellout, gratuitous hollywood ending.  Would have liked to see Lydia survive the ricin, maybe with liver damage, perhaps even facing a sentence.  Todd should have been killed in more believable terms other than stacking up unbelievable odds.

The 8 episode split probably pushed the writers against the wall as far as time.  Stuff like the machine gun and laser pointers stretched believability.  The writers are clever enough to fix it with another hour or so.  Just a little more detail in places would have cleaned things up tremendously.
2013-09-30 09:19:44 AM
1 votes:
It wasn't bad or anything, but I was totally underwhelmed. Everything happened exactly how I thought it would going into the finale. For a show that has always kept me guessing, was kinda disappointed.
2013-09-30 09:14:13 AM
1 votes:

Beer cap: I still want to know what Walt planned on doing if he had survived the M-60 carnage.


He didn't plan on surviving. That seems pretty obvious,

Jumping on Jesse (on the pretense of "fighting" him) was a last minute decision to save Jesse after seeing that he had been enslaved by the nazis.
2013-09-30 08:58:08 AM
1 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: It's precisely this type of overhyped, breathless article that made me never watch the show to begin with.


Likewise.
2013-09-30 08:27:47 AM
1 votes:
No ambiguous endings?

OK, so this is what follows:

Jesse races to Andrea's house, only to find out, obviously, that Brock went to a Catholic orphanage, where he has been sexually and physically abused over the last year by a wicked old priest that oversees the place. Jesse raises a scene, but is dragged away by police, who are all too aware of his involvement in the Mr. Heisenberg Drug Ring (but do NOT have the video confession he recorded, since the nazis destroyed it). With the primary suspect dead, somebody has to frogmarched into court and go to jail.

Brock will run away form the orphanage at age 14, and become a krocodil user, dying at the age of 16, with half his flesh gone from his arms. HE might have been hooked on Crystal MEth instead, but the crappy, artificially-colored blue meth was too expensive.

Lydia made it to the hospital to get treatment and recovered from her poisoning. With the quality blue meth gone, she turns to her Czech suppliers to get krocodil, and starts moving that onto the streets of New Mexico and the rest of the southwest.

Skyler got a plea deal, but even with years knocked off her money laundering and fraudulent books charges (Ted's crooked books finally caught their attention), she still ended up going to prison for 10 years. Her first day, some fellow inmate named Tara Knowles beats her up and steals her blankets, it gets worse for Skyler after that... she never makes it out of prison alive.

Flynn gets his money, but his despair over his mother, and separation from his sister (who went to some catholic orphanage on the bad side of town) has thrown him into a depression, and he turns to drugs. His friend Louis helps him spend the $9+million on drug-fueled parties and steals much of the cash, as well. Flynn dies at the age of 19 in a back alley in Prague, a dirty syringbe filled with... korcodil laying at his side.

Marie remarries, gets her kleptomania under control and has 6 kids.

Saul is slinging cinnabons at a mall in Omaha.

Badger and Skinny Pete found the laser thing so funny, they decided to mess with some guy sitting in a known DEA safe house who looks a lot like that bouncer guy from Saul's office. They play the lasers on him through the window, Huell has a fatal heart attack.
2013-09-30 08:15:48 AM
1 votes:
I'm just glad we got a straight ending.

No early cancelation with unresolved plots and a hasty conclusion, no "it was all a dream" or other bullsh*t, no WTF last minute twists, nothing that didn't make any more or less sense than the rest of the series, no shift in tone, no speeches, no real "hero shots" ... just an ending that's as much a part of the show as anything deep in the third season.

For me, the satisfaction of the finale isn't just that it was good, but that it was the rarest thing on scripted TV: a proper ending.
2013-09-30 08:15:45 AM
1 votes:
I'm glad they ended it the way they did, was very much in the style of the rest of the show.  They didn't try to make it the most awesomest finale ever, they didn't cater to fans wills, they stayed true to the story that they wanted and ended it in such a way as to tie pretty much everything up.  If they had gone for something crazier and more intense than the previous couple of episodes it could have easily been a failure.

And my take is being kept as a meth slave for 6 months probably cured Jessie of his not having his shiat together.  Sure he'll be messed up, but his life won't be the train wreck it was.
2013-09-30 08:03:59 AM
1 votes:
M*A*S*H
2013-09-30 07:57:26 AM
1 votes:
Pizza is the best, most delicious food ever created by man. So never try pizza because only my statement has overhyped how good pizza is.
2013-09-30 07:54:43 AM
1 votes:

DamnYankees: Confabulat: Lydia and Walt ALWAYS sat at that table at 10 AM.

She sat at a different table LAST WEEK! Seriously - just last week when she met Todd, they both sat at tables next to the window. The table in tonight's episode was a different table, not next to the window. I literally watched both episodes today, so unless I'm hallucinating, you're wrong.


No, it's the same table.  You can watch her walk in and sit down by the window at the same table as always at the start of the scene.  They just shot it from the opposite side of the table than they usually do, so that rather than looking out, you're looking in and can see Walt come and sit.
2013-09-30 07:53:19 AM
1 votes:

DamnYankees: Confabulat: Lydia and Walt ALWAYS sat at that table at 10 AM.

She sat at a different table LAST WEEK! Seriously - just last week when she met Todd, they both sat at tables next to the window. The table in tonight's episode was a different table, not next to the window. I literally watched both episodes today, so unless I'm hallucinating, you're wrong.



Did Walt know she switched tables LAST WEEK?! I doubt it. He took a gamble based on his knowledge of her routines taken from weekly meetings over a year's time. Turns out, his gamble was correct.

Plus, he could have also palmed the Stevia packet and then switched it out with the other one during his coughing fit, while they were distracted. It would not be the first time that vial of ricin was subject to slight of hand.

Glad they didn't include the scene of Jesse in his cell playing a xylophone.  I heard he struck the same chord, but two distinctly different tones came out. I heard someone got fired for that blunder.
2013-09-30 07:52:32 AM
1 votes:

DamnYankees: Confabulat: Lydia and Walt ALWAYS sat at that table at 10 AM.

She sat at a different table LAST WEEK! Seriously - just last week when she met Todd, they both sat at tables next to the window. The table in tonight's episode was a different table, not next to the window. I literally watched both episodes today, so unless I'm hallucinating, you're wrong.


It was pretty clear since her character was introduced that she had two different meeting places. She had one that she met at when she first started working with a person, and another that she met at once she was comfortable with them. The place she was poisoned at was the place where she use to meet Mike. Once Walt became her contact she started meeting Walt at the first place and once she was comfortable with him she started meeting him at the place she was poisoned at. Once Walt left and Todd became the contact she started meeting him at the first place and then after she became comfortable with him she started meeting him at the place she was poisoned at. You have to remember that Lydia was a paranoid OCD person who insisted on back to back meetings at out of the way places until she was comfortable with a person, then she would meet face to face with them at a regular time in a regular place.
2013-09-30 07:31:59 AM
1 votes:

DamnYankees: My only issue - the Stevia thing didn't make sense. How and when did he put ricin inside the Stevia packet? How did he know she'd sit at that table; just last week she'd sat at a different one. Why did he need to tell her what he did - now that she knows, can't she get treatment? Sloppy.

Otherwise - absolutely great.


I'm not 100% sure, but I think ricin poisoning is a one-way ticket. I don't think there's anything that can be done for the victim.
2013-09-30 12:47:23 AM
1 votes:

DamnYankees: cman: DamnYankees: I also do wish we had a little more emotional resolution for Jesse. All that happens is that he's set free, but he still has absolutely nothing in his life, Andrea is still dead, and he's emotionally tortured. Jesse didn't get a denoument - he'll probably die of drug overdose within a few months.

I doubt that

After everything he went through I think Jesse would be done with the drug life

If he does drugs, it would just be weed

I just think he'll commit suicide. Dude has crazy PTSD, insane guilt, no money, no education and no support system. There's no light at the end of that tunnel.


He still has his family and his two dumbass friends. After what he went though it seems to reason that he would try to reconcile with his family as a support system.

But yeah, mentally he is pretty farked
2013-09-30 12:38:37 AM
1 votes:

DamnYankees: Confabulat: Lydia and Walt ALWAYS sat at that table at 10 AM.

She sat at a different table LAST WEEK! Seriously - just last week when she met Todd, they both sat at tables next to the window. The table in tonight's episode was a different table, not next to the window. I literally watched both episodes today, so unless I'm hallucinating, you're wrong.


You're both the prettiest!

heh... I love that the show makes you think and it creates a lot of really good dialogue among the fans. If more shows treated their audience as intelligent... well that sh*t ain't gonna happen in my lifetime.
2013-09-30 12:34:26 AM
1 votes:
The show has always assumed you can put together the pieces, you know. It would have been lame to actually show Walter poisoning the Stevia.
2013-09-29 11:58:27 PM
1 votes:

cman: It was good, but the best ever?

That is different

It was your average Breaking Bad episode. Its hard to have the best episode ever when you have risen the bar that high


I'd say the true finale came with the last two episodes.

This was just mopping up and turning off the lights.
 
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