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2013-09-30 02:59:30 PM

phenn: Benjamin Stone: Loved the ending. I can understand how people might be underwhelmed but to claim it was outright horrible just doesn't compute.

Any idea when 5b will be on Netflix in the U.S.? I know in the U.K. they were all made available the day after they aired on AMC.

Use SafeIP and connect through a UK server. Might be up there.


an aside question phenn.  How good is safeIP when using it for MLB and NBA passes?  I know with local IP register, local games are blacked out, but does it regular work with SafeIP and using a UK server?
 
2013-09-30 02:59:42 PM

Electromax: thisisyourbrainonFark: My only quibble, and it's minor, as I think this was, overall the best show in TV's history, is that the finale used the fallacy of the talking killer with Jack.

It was a little more believable than usual, I think though. Walt used Jack's pride against him ("PARTNERS?!") in the same way Walt's pride caused his own downfall. Gus' pride and desire to gloat to Tio after the fake DEA visit caused his end too, and Tuco did a fair amount of shouting instead of shooting Jesse and Walt in S2. The show could've ended at the end of S3 if Mike just shot Walt instead of letting him phone Jesse and give the order to shoot Gale.

Maybe that doesn't excuse it, but it had precedent with the other "kingpins". Walt knew how to push Jack's buttons, and we saw last week how pissed Jack was when Jesse snitched on Todd in the video. He didn't just want to kill Walt, he wanted to kill Walt without Walt thinking he was a liar.

Reminded me of Marlo. "He used my name? In the street? My name is my name!"


I agree.  his show has always been about he dangers of pride.  Jack is just another in a long line of villains to be done in by pride.  Not the least of which was Walt.
 
2013-09-30 02:59:51 PM

Trainspotr: cameroncrazy1984: It's precisely this type of overhyped, breathless article that made me never watch the show to begin with.

I completely agree. I, too, prefer to watch television that has been roundly panned by everyone. I have a bootleg copy of the entire 7-episode run of "Emily's Reason's Why Not" that was smuggled out of Slovenia at great cost.


FUNNIED! LOL He's a Duke fan also.


Tuco'sTacos: I've always believed the axiom that we judge ourselves by our intentions while the world judges us on our actions. BrBa was a case study of this...


SMARTIED!! Nice axiom.
 
2013-09-30 03:00:16 PM

SlothB77: It is still unclear to me if Walt dies in the lab or not.  he got shot once, in the side and was lying there.  But is he dead or just wounded?


In Talking Bad, right after the show, they said he was dead.

As for Lydia, they hinted, through Walt's quick speech to her, that she is a creature of habit and a slave to her schedule. He knew she would be in the restaurant at that time, and took a gamble on the table (or paid the hostess to make sure she sat there), and placed the laced Stevia there.

As with most TV and movies, they have to have these thing line up with little attempt to explain them to further the plot. The worst of this being Uncle Jack having Jesse brought before him in chains to prove to Walt that they are not partners. Why didn't he drag Walt to Jesse, then shoot him in the head? Why'd they have to bring Jesse to Walt? Considering all the security they had on Jesse, it seemed more convenient to march Walt to Jesse, then pop one in his skull to end the whole affair, but that's not how the story was to progress. It had to be then bring Jesse to Walt so the .50 in the trunk could take everyone out.
 
2013-09-30 03:02:07 PM

elchip: Walt won.  Which I didn't find very satisfying, considering everything he's done.  I wanted to see the type of ruination that I had been expecting based on the way The Shield ended up.


Walt didn't win, Heisenberg won.
 
2013-09-30 03:06:38 PM
I guess the question I left with was why Marie allowed Skyler and the kids to live in public housing when she was all alone in her house.  She may have had obvious issues with Skyler, but all through the series Marie and Hank bent over backwards to look after Walt, Jr. and Holly.
 
2013-09-30 03:10:17 PM

gilgigamesh: Champion of the Sun: gilgigamesh: All these people saying the ending sucked are probably the same ones who were suggesting Walt would go on a rampage murdering everyone at Gray Matter for some reason.

who said that?

Well you did, for one:

Champion of the Sun: It wasn't bad or anything, but I was totally underwhelmed. Everything happened exactly how I thought it would going into the finale. For a show that has always kept me guessing, was kinda disappointed.

Also:

TeamEd: Brilliant show, bad ending.

RaceBoatDriver: The episode was a total sellout, gratuitous hollywood ending.

js34603: Sorry it wasn't that great of a finale. Taken with the last couple episodes it sort of becomes a great last season, but just on its own this one episode was slow paced, and amounted to him hopping from place to place to tie everything up in unrealistically neat bow.

There were more in the thread last night who expressed disappointed. I guess you can't please everyone, but come on.


So the answer is no one? No one who expressed disappointment in the finale said anything about a murder rampage at Grey Matter?

TFA says it was the greatest finale in the history of television or some such ridiculous nonsense. Taken by itself, this one episode wasn't even close to even the best episode of Breaking Bad. Doesn't mean the episode sucked or the show sucked or thinking that this episode was just ok means it needed more explosions or a murder rampage.

Now it's fine to say the previous two episodes were the real "finale" and this episode was a denouement. If you're saying that, then you pretty much agree this episode is not as great as TFA thinks.

Taken as a whole the last three episodes make a satisfying end to the show. This one episode wasn't that great.
 
Ant
2013-09-30 03:15:15 PM

elchip: Good point.  Although why did Jack still want to kill Walt despite declaring that they were "square" two episodes ago?


"Mr. White, you really shouldn't have come back" - Todd

That's why.
 
2013-09-30 03:17:50 PM

FinFangFark: phenn: Benjamin Stone: Loved the ending. I can understand how people might be underwhelmed but to claim it was outright horrible just doesn't compute.

Any idea when 5b will be on Netflix in the U.S.? I know in the U.K. they were all made available the day after they aired on AMC.

Use SafeIP and connect through a UK server. Might be up there.

an aside question phenn.  How good is safeIP when using it for MLB and NBA passes?  I know with local IP register, local games are blacked out, but does it regular work with SafeIP and using a UK server?


You know - we've never tried it. My husband's buddies have the NFL passes and are able to see blacked out games from here - Costa Rica. By that, maybe it works? Then again, you can just change the IP to another state. That might do the trick.
 
2013-09-30 03:19:03 PM

Benjamin Stone: phenn: SafeIP

Thanks!

(Now, any way to do this so that I can stream it through my PS3? : )


I think hidemyass.com has something for PS3. Not real sure.
 
2013-09-30 03:21:36 PM

phenn: FinFangFark: phenn: Benjamin Stone: Loved the ending. I can understand how people might be underwhelmed but to claim it was outright horrible just doesn't compute.

Any idea when 5b will be on Netflix in the U.S.? I know in the U.K. they were all made available the day after they aired on AMC.

Use SafeIP and connect through a UK server. Might be up there.

an aside question phenn.  How good is safeIP when using it for MLB and NBA passes?  I know with local IP register, local games are blacked out, but does it regular work with SafeIP and using a UK server?

You know - we've never tried it. My husband's buddies have the NFL passes and are able to see blacked out games from here - Costa Rica. By that, maybe it works? Then again, you can just change the IP to another state. That might do the trick.


Good.  I know you can do that if you purchase a VPN, I was just curious if SafeIP would do so as well, especially for NBA games.  I recently reactivated the cable TV, and it was soley used to watch Breaking Bad, and NFL/NBA games.  I hate the idea of buying the year passes and you can only watch out of market games, because they want you to have cable TV.  I don't watch it.  For the better part of the last 5 years we've not had cable TV in my home.  I would purchase the BB episodes and watch them the day after they aired.
 
2013-09-30 03:24:43 PM
de·noue·ment
ˌdānooˈmäN/
noun
noun: denouement

1
.  the final part of a play, movie, or narrative in which the strands of the plot are drawn together and matters are explained or resolved.
 
2013-09-30 03:29:33 PM

elchip: HotIgneous Intruder: This aspect was actually very accurate to life. Among these knuckle-dragger gangs, aryans, bikers, cops, prison guards, tough guy culture in general demands -- demands -- respect and submission to superiors. Public dissing and humiliation or disrespect are dealt with harshly.
I think they got Jack's alpha pack-leader, "I will not be disrespected in front of my fellow mouth-breathers!" pretty much spot-on.

Walt knew this and played Jack with it.

Good point.  Although why did Jack still want to kill Walt despite declaring that they were "square" two episodes ago?


Jack isn't a total idiot. He killed Hank, he knew why Walt was coming back. Hell, even Lydia picked up on it. Her being the boss from afar, and the whole "don't make me spell it out Todd." thing = Jack killing Walt.
 
2013-09-30 03:43:26 PM

taxandspend: It was a very satisfying ending, even if it did play it too safe. Pretty much everything went down as expected with the exception of Walter saving Jessie. I did appreciate Walter getting one more brilliant invention in there at the end and watching Jesse choke the life out of Todd was as satisfying as anything this season. It wasn't as good as prior episodes in the show (Crawl Space, Half Measures, Ozymandias) and I'd probably rank it behind the Scrubs finale as the second best I've ever seen. But it was still damn epic.


I think "playing it safe" might be why it was so satisfying. There was no arty fade-to-black, no kid gazing in a snowglobe, no lumberjacks, no one waking up in a bed and finding out it was all a dream. It was just a proper ending to a well-told story. I think that is so rare on TV that it's almost hard to recognize.
 
2013-09-30 03:45:32 PM

Transubstantive: elchip: Walt won.  Which I didn't find very satisfying, considering everything he's done.  I wanted to see the type of ruination that I had been expecting based on the way The Shield ended up.

Walt didn't win, Heisenberg won.


Walt also died with the knowledge that his son hates him and his name is forever ruined. Even though his son gets the money, Gray Matter gets the credit for it, so even that is a loss for him. He also died with the memory of seeing his brother in law die right in front if him due to his selfish actions. Whatever victories he had were pyrrhic.
 
2013-09-30 03:45:53 PM

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: jj325: I wonder how long ago Vince Gilligan decided to use Baby Blue by Badfinger?  For me, the song worked incredibly well for the ending.  If you had asked someone to write a song for that moment I don't think amyone could have come up with such a perfect fit

That song choice is not getting the respect it deserves.  As you say, it's just 110% perfect in every way.  The sweet nostalgia, the lyrics themselves, the fact it was Walt's own era.  It's just brilliant and makes the episode ultimately soar.  No other song, or silence, would have done the same work.


So much THIS.  It was beyond inspired.
 
2013-09-30 03:50:45 PM

taxandspend: I'd probably rank it behind the Scrubs finale

. . .

Really? I don't pretend to know anything about Scrubs, but best finale ever?  Huh.
 
2013-09-30 04:00:50 PM

taxandspend: Three Crooked Squirrels: taxandspend: I'd probably rank it behind the Scrubs finale . . .

Really? I don't pretend to know anything about Scrubs, but best finale ever?  Huh.

I was a die hard fan for all 8 seasons. Even though it started to falter towards the end, My Finale was so damn emotional and it perfectly captured everything about the show that kept me coming back. The ending montage brought tears to my eyes and the final speech with Dr. Cox praising JD felt like it was written in the first season and they've just been saving it for this moment.


Then they had to go and fark all that up with season 9.
 
2013-09-30 04:04:24 PM
HST's Dead Carcass:
As with most TV and movies, they have to have these thing line up with little attempt to explain them to further the plot. The worst of this being Uncle Jack having Jesse brought before him in chains to prove to Walt that they are not partners. Why didn't he drag Walt to Jesse, then shoot him in the head? Why'd they have to bring Jesse to Walt? Considering all the security they had on Jesse, it seemed more convenient to march Walt to Jesse, then pop one in his skull to end the whole affair, but that's not how the story was to progress. It had to be then bring Jesse to Walt so the .50 in the trunk could take everyone out.

I don't see that as a big deal. The plan could have worked with or without Jesse being there. All Walt needed was his keys, the writers could have easily not had the frisking guy take them away from him in the first place.
 
2013-09-30 04:08:58 PM

Incorrigible Astronaut: Beer cap: cameroncrazy1984: It's precisely this type of overhyped, breathless article that made me never watch the show to begin with.

You miss out on a lot of good things if you look for silly reasons to not take them in.

I don't see the point of going into a long thread that's about something you don't like and blindly bi*ching about it. I mean, I could go into a wrestling or brony thread and go, "man, I just don't get this, and you people are weird," but it's going to fall on deaf ears. Why bother? Likewise, if you're a fan and think that the show has gone in the wrong direction and are willing to defend that by offering up a better alternative, it's one thing, but complaining without a solution is just toothless.


Happens all the time in Springsteen threads and hockey threads. People come in all the time to say "that sucks/hate it." They apparently think it makes them look cool or something. I don't like basketball so I skip the basketball threads. I understand that there are people who like basketball and want to discuss it and they don't need me informing them that they should stop liking what I don't like.
 
2013-09-30 04:12:25 PM
Well, it went out on top.   10 million people watched the finale last night.

And EW.  A site and mag I usually avoid, have a great little blurb on it, and how the show gained so much steam the last couple of years.

Now you know AMC is desperate to get that Badger and Skinny Pete pilot shot.
 
2013-09-30 04:23:13 PM

js34603: So the answer is no one? No one who expressed disappointment in the finale said anything about a murder rampage at Grey Matter?


I was speculating that people who were saying the ending sucked were the same ones who were speculating before the finale aired ridiculous b.s. about Walt going on a rampage at Grey Matter.

My point was that a bunch of armchair quarterbacks second guessing a brilliant show should probably stick to their day jobs.

js34603: Now it's fine to say the previous two episodes were the real "finale" and this episode was a denouement. If you're saying that, then you pretty much agree this episode is not as great as TFA thinks.


I'm not sure you really know what a denouement is, or that it is a standard in serialized storytelling. It doesn't mean it is a weak episode, not on its own nor in context of the whole. It is an essential key to wrap up a story.

If the episode ended with Ozymandias or Granite State, people would be biatching about loose ends like Jessie being left as a slave, what the fark happens to Skyler and Flynn, Hank is left lying to rot in the desert fate unknown to the world, etc. And they'd be right. That's why a denouement is so critical to the story.
 
2013-09-30 04:29:48 PM

FinFangFark: Well, it went out on top.   10 million people watched the finale last night.

And EW.  A site and mag I usually avoid, have a great little blurb on it, and how the show gained so much steam the last couple of years.

Now you know AMC is desperate to get that Badger and Skinny Pete pilot shot.


Hopefully they'll bring their red laser pointers with them
 
2013-09-30 04:47:34 PM

FinFangFark: Well, it went out on top.   10 million people watched the finale last night.

And EW.  A site and mag I usually avoid, have a great little blurb on it, and how the show gained so much steam the last couple of years.

Now you know AMC is desperate to get that Badger and Skinny Pete pilot shot.


Did EW also have a story on the inanity that was their Twitter feed last night?  Because it was pretty terrible.
 
2013-09-30 05:12:28 PM

taxandspend: I don't mean they should have tried to pull a stunt like those other shows. I just mean there wasn't a single surprise in the episode with everything being choreographed months before. As the end of a story arc, it was perfect; but for a show that was always capable of throwing me for a loop I was hoping we'd get one more WTF moment (so long as it didn't detract from the story of course).


The series climax was the third-to-last episode, and the final two were denouement. There's your convention-breaking, "WTF?" moment. Modern viewers have been conditioned to expect the climax of a series arc in its final episode.
 
2013-09-30 05:17:05 PM

gilgigamesh: I was speculating that people who were saying the ending sucked were the same ones who were speculating before the finale aired ridiculous b.s. about Walt going on a rampage at Grey Matter.

My point was that a bunch of armchair quarterbacks second guessing a brilliant show should probably stick to their day jobs.


I bet you're the kind of person who scoffs at those who try to figure out who the perpetrator is in a murder/mystery serial before the reveal.
 
2013-09-30 05:20:45 PM

Strategeryz0r: elchip: HotIgneous Intruder: This aspect was actually very accurate to life. Among these knuckle-dragger gangs, aryans, bikers, cops, prison guards, tough guy culture in general demands -- demands -- respect and submission to superiors. Public dissing and humiliation or disrespect are dealt with harshly.
I think they got Jack's alpha pack-leader, "I will not be disrespected in front of my fellow mouth-breathers!" pretty much spot-on.

Walt knew this and played Jack with it.

Good point.  Although why did Jack still want to kill Walt despite declaring that they were "square" two episodes ago?

Jack isn't a total idiot. He killed Hank, he knew why Walt was coming back. Hell, even Lydia picked up on it. Her being the boss from afar, and the whole "don't make me spell it out Todd." thing = Jack killing Walt.


Well, the thing nobody seems to have mentioned yet is that killing Jesse was in exchange for Walt doing another cook to teach Todd how to do it right. Walt kind of reneged on the deal when he ordered the vacuum dust filter and skipped town.

Jack wasn't happy that Walt skipped out on his part of the bargain, but that weighed against the fact that they didn't actually kill Jesse, either. Todd's slavery of Jesse made Walt's breach of contract a non-issue, but Walt coming back when he wasn't needed made him vulnerable.

Jack, Gus and Tuco all share the same attribute - they were kings of their clans. Maintaining that supremacy means maintaining respect from your clan members. Walt's return is a reminder that he never followed through on his promise to cook with Todd, yet at the same time, Jack didn't want to be seen as having outright breached his end of the deal, either. Even when killing somebody, it has to be a production - put on for the clan members - to demonstrate why the king deserves respect. That allows the writers to ignore the so-called "talking killer fallacy" since this isn't a killer alone with his victim, it's a king commanding an execution for his audience.

Walt took some chances; like Jesse said, part of the aura of Mr. Heisenberg is his luck. Walt's gambits are full of perils, but he's driven to go through with them for the payoff. The danger enthralls Walt and success only makes him bolder the next time. When he poisoned Brock, it was a desperate attempt to manipulate Jesse, and could have failed miserably (ultimately did when Jesse figured it out), this has happened several times each season, and as a viewer, we are entranced by it.
 
2013-09-30 05:22:58 PM
When Walt first goes into vacuum-cleaner hiding, he's got big plans. He wants to hire an elite mercenary squad, take out Jesse and Jack, get back his missing barrels, and make sure his family is provided for... maybe he even thinks he can get them vacuumed up as well, so they can enjoy the money without the government's scrutiny.

He can't talk Saul or Mr. Vacuum into helping him, but he's willing to go it alone. He puts on the Heisenberg hat and... can't hack it. Too weak. Gotta rest up.

Over time, his bloodlust withers. Instead of his big plans, he'll settle for the tiny bit of satisfaction of mailing a hundred grand to Junior. It doesn't work. He realizes that he's failed and probably tipped his hand; he's overcome with shame, sick of hiding, and decides to just turn himself in.

...But seeing the Schwartzs on TV, and hearing how they're throwing their money around, he cooks up a new plan. They were never really on his hit list, but now that they can be useful to him -- and no harm in giving them a little scare in the process.

And since he's heading back to New Mexico anyway, might as well tie up some other loose ends, as long as the flesh is willing. He's sussed Lydia as potential threat to his family. And he's still pretty peeved at Jack for ruining his first surrender, killing Hank, and taking most of the money. Jesse working for Jack is just nasty blue icing on the cake. So he'll contrive to pay Jack a visit and do some damage; if he can take out some of the other Nazis and Jesse in the process, and get back some of his money, all the better.

I don't believe Walt's on a suicide mission at the Rancho Aryano, or he'd just show up with a powerful car bomb, maybe dispersing some poison gas for good measure. I think it was his intention to leave the clubhouse if possible (he probably would have *preferred* to go visit Jesse in the lab, rather than having Jesse brought up), and otherwise to hit the deck at some point -- a coughing fit, on his knees begging for his life, whatever -- and then let loose with the turret. Not an excellent chance of survival, but some chance. Saving Jesse, ultimately at his own expense, was a last-minute decision.

In balance, I think the final showdown went pretty well. I did find Jack's yammering on about Jesse not being a partner a little tedious. Conversation should have gone something like this:
W:"You owe me. You promised to kill Jesse."
J:"Hell, kid's more trouble than he's worth. Todd's learned enough from him anyway. We'll kill him now. Better yet, do it yourself, big shot. Todd, bring Jesse up here..."

[Oh, by the way... spoilers...]
 
2013-09-30 05:23:10 PM

LesserEvil: Strategeryz0r: elchip: HotIgneous Intruder: This aspect was actually very accurate to life. Among these knuckle-dragger gangs, aryans, bikers, cops, prison guards, tough guy culture in general demands -- demands -- respect and submission to superiors. Public dissing and humiliation or disrespect are dealt with harshly.
I think they got Jack's alpha pack-leader, "I will not be disrespected in front of my fellow mouth-breathers!" pretty much spot-on.

Walt knew this and played Jack with it.

Good point.  Although why did Jack still want to kill Walt despite declaring that they were "square" two episodes ago?

Jack isn't a total idiot. He killed Hank, he knew why Walt was coming back. Hell, even Lydia picked up on it. Her being the boss from afar, and the whole "don't make me spell it out Todd." thing = Jack killing Walt.

Well, the thing nobody seems to have mentioned yet is that killing Jesse was in exchange for Walt doing another cook to teach Todd how to do it right. Walt kind of reneged on the deal when he ordered the vacuum dust filter and skipped town.

Jack wasn't happy that Walt skipped out on his part of the bargain, but that weighed against the fact that they didn't actually kill Jesse, either. Todd's slavery of Jesse made Walt's breach of contract a non-issue, but Walt coming back when he wasn't needed made him vulnerable.

Jack, Gus and Tuco all share the same attribute - they were kings of their clans. Maintaining that supremacy means maintaining respect from your clan members. Walt's return is a reminder that he never followed through on his promise to cook with Todd, yet at the same time, Jack didn't want to be seen as having outright breached his end of the deal, either. Even when killing somebody, it has to be a production - put on for the clan members - to demonstrate why the king deserves respect. That allows the writers to ignore the so-called "talking killer fallacy" since this isn't a killer alone with his victim, it's a king commanding an execut ...


Solid observations.

I like you..
 
2013-09-30 05:27:41 PM
Considering the Nazis have something like 60 million lying around, you'd think they could have spruced up the clubhouse a little.
 
2013-09-30 05:28:36 PM

Confabulat: Considering the Nazis have something like 60 million lying around, you'd think they could have spruced up the clubhouse a little.


Didn't you see that awesome massage chair?
 
2013-09-30 05:48:15 PM

DamnYankees: My only issue - the Stevia thing didn't make sense. How and when did he put ricin inside the Stevia packet? How did he know she'd sit at that table; just last week she'd sat at a different one. Why did he need to tell her what he did - now that she knows, can't she get treatment? Sloppy.

Otherwise - absolutely great.


I bet you're still hung up on Brock's juicebox too..
 
2013-09-30 05:53:54 PM

taxandspend: that bosnian sniper: taxandspend: I don't mean they should have tried to pull a stunt like those other shows. I just mean there wasn't a single surprise in the episode with everything being choreographed months before. As the end of a story arc, it was perfect; but for a show that was always capable of throwing me for a loop I was hoping we'd get one more WTF moment (so long as it didn't detract from the story of course).

The series climax was the third-to-last episode, and the final two were denouement. There's your convention-breaking, "WTF?" moment. Modern viewers have been conditioned to expect the climax of a series arc in its final episode.

Wouldn't last week's episode be more an example of falling action than of denouement?

Also, just because something is tying all the loose ends together doesn't mean we can't have at least one surprise.


Why in the world do you need a surprise to have engaging television? I'm glad they didn't go with the M Night Shamalamadingdong school and throw a twist in because people expect it. Everything that happened in the last episodes was consistent with the characters  and wonderfully foreshadowed.
 
2013-09-30 05:56:49 PM

stoli n coke: Did Walt know she switched tables LAST WEEK?! I doubt it. He took a gamble based on his knowledge of her routines taken from weekly meetings over a year's time. Turns out, his gamble was correct.


Dude, are you frakkin' trolling? Do you not realize that it was more than 'LAST WEEK'? That more time than that passed? Do you even watch the series, or is it something you glance at while looking at weird porn?
 
2013-09-30 05:56:54 PM

StrikitRich: I guess the question I left with was why Marie allowed Skyler and the kids to live in public housing when she was all alone in her house.  She may have had obvious issues with Skyler, but all through the series Marie and Hank bent over backwards to look after Walt, Jr. and Holly.


Probably because Skyler wasn't on speaking terms with Marie. I certainly wouldn't be, if I were Skyler.
 
2013-09-30 06:23:11 PM
While you were all gushing about this, I was already tuning into the next hot TV show. You've probably never heard of it though because it's a Filipino telenovela.
 
2013-09-30 06:41:36 PM

hundreddollarman: While you were all gushing about this, I was already tuning into the next hot TV show. You've probably never heard of it though because it's a Filipino telenovela.


Metástasis?
 
2013-09-30 07:18:24 PM
And most of the country didn't watch the freaking show. Talk about overblown coverage, GOOD GOD.
 
Ant
2013-09-30 07:22:57 PM

B.L.Z. Bub: And most of the country didn't watch the freaking show. Talk about overblown coverage, GOOD GOD.


You seem to have a real problem with the popularity of this show. Would it make you feel better to talk about it?
 
2013-09-30 07:23:53 PM

taxandspend: Wouldn't last week's episode be more an example of falling action than of denouement?


Those terms are synonymous, you know. There's only a "distinction" made thanks to the ubiquity of the woefully inadequate three-act structure as a pedagogical or explanatory device.
 
2013-09-30 07:25:43 PM

unyon: cman: DamnYankees: I also do wish we had a little more emotional resolution for Jesse. All that happens is that he's set free, but he still has absolutely nothing in his life, Andrea is still dead, and he's emotionally tortured. Jesse didn't get a denoument - he'll probably die of drug overdose within a few months.

I like to think that he ends up a woodworker in Alaska, with his adopted son Brock by his side.


I like to think this too, but that would be too Hollywood of an ending. My guess is that he'd go back to town to tie up his loose ends and then head for Alaska. And who knows, maybe Todd blabbed the location of the money to Jesse because he has tha

Samsquantch: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: jj325: I wonder how long ago Vince Gilligan decided to use Baby Blue by Badfinger?  For me, the song worked incredibly well for the ending.  If you had asked someone to write a song for that moment I don't think amyone could have come up with such a perfect fit

That song choice is not getting the respect it deserves.  As you say, it's just 110% perfect in every way.  The sweet nostalgia, the lyrics themselves, the fact it was Walt's own era.  It's just brilliant and makes the episode ultimately soar.  No other song, or silence, would have done the same work.

So much THIS.  It was beyond inspired.


Another vote for Baby Blue as being an awesome capper to the series. From the "guess I got what I deserve" line to the song name itself being a reference to Walt's 'baby blue' meth, it was pitch perfect.

Also, I think that the whole point of telling Lydia that he poisoned her with the ricin in front of Jesse was to take that off of Jesse's mind, since Jesse was convinced that Walt used the ricin on Brock.
 
2013-09-30 07:27:34 PM

Confabulat: Considering the Nazis have something like 60 million lying around, you'd think they could have spruced up the clubhouse a little.


They should have a couple hundred million shouldn't they?
 
2013-09-30 07:34:18 PM

Ant: B.L.Z. Bub: And most of the country didn't watch the freaking show. Talk about overblown coverage, GOOD GOD.

You seem to have a real problem with the popularity of this show. Would it make you feel better to talk about it?


It's only "popular" relatively speaking. Compared to the population of the country, its ratings are a drop in the bucket. Do I have to draw you a freaking picture? OVER. BLOWN. COVERAGE.
 
2013-09-30 07:49:55 PM
Unless he was a lumberjack at the end then I don't give a shiat.
 
2013-09-30 08:03:01 PM

B.L.Z. Bub: It's only "popular" relatively speaking. Compared to the population of the country, its ratings are a drop in the bucket.


You can make this same silly argument about just about every popular thing ever. The biggest movies of our time are still only seen by a tiny portion of the country. The biggest records of our day are listened to by a small fraction of the population. And so on and so forth.

It's a silly argument.

The show became a cultural phenomenon and in terms of both artistry and popularity, and as a result became a huge deal in one of the age's most popular mediums. Of COURSE it was going to get a lot of coverage.

You can, of course, simply change the channel or click on a different link. That totally works.
 
2013-09-30 08:09:56 PM

Tuco'sTacos: I think Walt intended to die with the Nazis in the gun fire. It was only after seeing Jesse was a slave that he decided to save Jesse before offing himself.


This is 100% accurate.
 
2013-09-30 08:10:51 PM

shoegaze99: It's a silly argument.


He's not arguing, he's trolling.
 
2013-09-30 08:16:01 PM

shoegaze99: The show became a cultural phenomenon


When most people haven't looked at something, it's not a cultural phenomenon. Case closed.
 
2013-09-30 08:19:28 PM

B.L.Z. Bub: shoegaze99: The show became a cultural phenomenon

When most people haven't looked at something, it's not a cultural phenomenon. Case closed.


There has never been a television program that "most people" watched live. Therefore no show can be a cultural phenomenon. Case closed.

Wait that also applies to books, movies and stage shows. Guess there can't be any cultural phenomenons guys Bub here vetoed it.
 
2013-09-30 08:21:41 PM

B.L.Z. Bub: shoegaze99: The show became a cultural phenomenon

When most people haven't looked at something, it's not a cultural phenomenon. Case closed.


This is really, really important to you, isn't it.
 
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