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2013-09-30 12:30:10 PM

The Great EZE: I loved the finale and the show but, as unpopular as this is going to be

, I don't think Lydia deserved the ending she got. As far as meth distributing villains who have no qualms about ordering the deaths of over a dozen people go, Lydia seemed exceedingly normal. The writers did a fantastic job portraying her as a business woman, who doesn't act out of bloodlust, rage, or ignorance of any other way of life. She never even appeared all that interested in her work.

I'm not going to suggest an alternate because I don't want to be one of those people who tries to out-Vince Gilligan Vince Gilligan, but if she had to go I think I would have preferred something more quick and definite like Gus. Something that says, "Hey, it's the business: you gotta pay some day." The ricin seems more appropriate for someone like Jack or Todd. In fact, I'd like to think Lydia wound up with some permanent but survivable organ damage only to be picked up by the police within a few days. But since it's obvious what was supposed to happen, I kinda feel bad for the little weasel.



I do, she threatened to kill his family. Just because the scene with Skyler came after the scene where she drank the Ricin tea doesnt mean those events happened in that order. The writers leave lots to speculation.

I called Lydia getting the Ricin tea like 4 weeks ago. I knew she would get it and everyone on here kept telling me no way, its going in a cook or he will take it himself. In an earlier season they focused on Lydia's love of Stevia and Tea. Walt knew she was a calculated creature of habit. He knew how to give it to her...........and boy did he give it to her.

Ricin Tea biatch, now you leave your daughter alone.


Damn, that show turned me into a sick bastard lol :)
 
2013-09-30 12:31:12 PM

rugman11: Walt was a man who didn't care about consequences.  In the beginning he wasn't a terrible person, but as the show went along and as he got deeper into it, he became worse.  I notice that you left off the two actions that people most often point to when talking about Walt's moral center.  He allowed Jane to die for no reason other than that she was a threat to him.  And he arranged and ordered the murder of Gale Boetticher, another man whose only sin was being a potential threat to Walter White.  Not to his family, but to Walter.


No, I did mention that he watched a junkie blackmailer die. Jane was a threat to Jesse and herself. Jesse was on a fast track to OD-ville with Jane. By letting Jane die, he derailed that train.

Gale died in order for Walt and Jesse to live. Gale wasn't a threat to Walter - Gus was. But if Gus didn't have Gale, then he needed to keep Walter and Jesse alive.

As for the bolded part, just because he cared for his family doesn't mean he did all this for them. Hell, he said as much last night. He didn't make meth to help his family, he did it because "[he] liked it. [He] was good at it. It made [him] feel alive." That's what I've been trying to argue for the last month. He didn't care what happened to his family or he would have gotten out when the Schwartzes offered to pay his medical bills or when the cancer went into remission.

No, he didn't do it ALL for them. In the beginning, he did it mostly for them, partly for him. In the end, it was mostly for him, partly for them. He most definitely did care what happened to his family, but he wasn't willing to compromise his distaste for charity in order to provide for his family. He felt that he was able to provide for them without outside help, and he most certainly did that.
 
2013-09-30 12:31:28 PM
The real finale was Ozymandias, the rest was just clean up
 
2013-09-30 12:32:32 PM

Carth: The Great EZE: I loved the finale and the show but, as unpopular as this is going to be, I don't think Lydia deserved the ending she got. As far as meth distributing villains who have no qualms about ordering the deaths of over a dozen people go, Lydia seemed exceedingly normal. The writers did a fantastic job portraying her as a business woman, who doesn't act out of bloodlust, rage, or ignorance of any other way of life. She never even appeared all that interested in her work.

She tried to order Todd to kill Skylar because she saw her once.

As Mike said: And now you're being sexist. Trust me, this woman deserves to die as much as any man I've ever met."


I think it was because she's the most relatable villain of the series. Every decision she made was what I and I would guess most average schmoes and schmoettes would have made in her position. What, would you just cross your fingers and hope the wife of the most wanted man in New Mexico doesn't put you in if the police start asking questions?

I agree, she deservers to die, but she got a main-boss-pays-for-decades-of-brutality end while I support a mid-level-cog-gets-comeuppance one.
 
2013-09-30 12:40:26 PM

Three Crooked Squirrels: But the conclusion left wide open who would fall to the ricin cigarette.


There was no ricin cigarette, per se.
That was a temporary storage place.
Beyond that, it was a motivational Mcguffin for Jesse.
It catalyzed Jesse's meltdown and subsequent events.
 
2013-09-30 12:42:42 PM
Lydia is dead for sure.  There is no antidote for ricin poisoning in the amount that Walt gave her.
 
2013-09-30 12:47:32 PM
I don't understand why we have to wait until next season to find out who's playing the new Walter. I know reincarnation is supposed to be a biatch and all, but I think it helps continuity to have the old Walter die and see the new Walter in the same episode.

Anyway, I think Ted Levine would be a solid choice. Could go edgy and make him black, but we are DEFINITELY not ready for a female Walter.
 
2013-09-30 12:48:57 PM

The Great EZE: I loved the finale and the show but, as unpopular as this is going to be, I don't think Lydia deserved the ending she got. As far as meth distributing villains who have no qualms about ordering the deaths of over a dozen people go, Lydia seemed exceedingly normal. The writers did a fantastic job portraying her as a business woman, who doesn't act out of bloodlust, rage, or ignorance of any other way of life. She never even appeared all that interested in her work.

I'm not going to suggest an alternate because I don't want to be one of those people who tries to out-Vince Gilligan Vince Gilligan, but if she had to go I think I would have preferred something more quick and definite like Gus. Something that says, "Hey, it's the business: you gotta pay some day." The ricin seems more appropriate for someone like Jack or Todd. In fact, I'd like to think Lydia wound up with some permanent but survivable organ damage only to be picked up by the police within a few days. But since it's obvious what was supposed to happen, I kinda feel bad for the little weasel.


Lydia wanted to rub out all of Gus' old crew in order to distance herself from Gus. When Mike didn't want to go along with that, Lydia ordered the hit on Mike AND the rest of the crew.

Lydia wanted Skyler rubbed out because Skyler saw her at the car wash.

Lydia wanted Walter rubbed out by Todd.

Lydia got what was coming to her.
 
2013-09-30 12:54:00 PM
What did Lydia say on the phone when she thought she was talking to Todd but Walt had the phone? Her and todd were up to...?
 
2013-09-30 12:55:38 PM

stoli n coke: It was a good, satisfying ending to the show, but "best ever" is a bit of a stretch. It'll need a few months for the newness to wear off to see how it shapes up in comparisons to great shows past.

Right now, I still think The Shield had the best finale of the last 10 years.


Maybe the last 25.  It was beyond epic.

My problem with this finale is that they didn't take any risks.  We all knew Walt was going to die somehow. But he died on his own terms, and his family presumably gets the $9 million.  The "bad guys" from his point of view are all dead, and everyone else (except Hank) walk away, albeit scarred.

Walt won.  Which I didn't find very satisfying, considering everything he's done.  I wanted to see the type of ruination that I had been expecting based on the way The Shield ended up.

I'm not saying the finale was bad, but it wasn't as good as the third-to-last and fourth-to-last episodes.  They were the climax, this was the denouement.
 
2013-09-30 12:55:59 PM

dryknife: What did Lydia say on the phone when she thought she was talking to Todd but Walt had the phone? Her and todd were up to...?


She was asking if Walt was dead at his (or the Nazis) hands. Remember her line:

"We're not going to do business with him."
*Blank stare from Todd*
"Do I have to spell it out for you?"
 
2013-09-30 12:58:06 PM
I wonder how long ago Vince Gilligan decided to use Baby Blue by Badfinger?  For me, the song worked incredibly well for the ending.  If you had asked someone to write a song for that moment I don't think amyone could have come up with such a perfect fit
 
2013-09-30 01:03:11 PM
I liked the ending. There were a few places where things that happened were kind of a stretch, but overall it was good. My thing is I felt Jesse really should have killed Walt, even if Jesse showed during the whole series that he could kill but did not enjoy it. It was Walt's fault that the Nazis had Jesse in the first place. Had Walt just let Jesse stay hidden under the car, not only would Jesse have escaped, but no way Uncle Jack and Lydia would be distributing blue meth again.

I liked the last scene of Walt dead in the lab. At least it didn't cut to a black screen or show him back in NH as a lumberjack.
 
2013-09-30 01:04:08 PM

The Great EZE: I loved the finale and the show but, as unpopular as this is going to be, I don't think Lydia deserved the ending she got.


Maybe I'm just an idiot, but I don't get...

* Why Walt decided Lydia had to die.  Merely distributing their meth didn't mean she was in on all of the neo-Nazis' nastiness.  Granted, she was complicit in a lot of their shenanigans, but how did Walt have any way of knowing that with certainty?

* Why Jack decided that he should prove to a guy he's about to kill that he's not a liar.  That seemed like the most contrived part of the episode to me.  Are we to believe he has some sort of sense of honor?  If that's the case, why did he decide to kill Walt after declaring they were "square" in the third-to-last episode?  He had no reason to want Walt dead, other than suspicion that Walt wanted him dead.
 
2013-09-30 01:06:06 PM

SlothB77: Lots of loose ends remain for me:

What does Jessie do?  Badger/ Skinny Pete reunion?
What happens to Sky?  Does she get off?  Does she get to keep the car wash?
What does Saul do?  He is in nebraska, right?  Does he become a corn farmer?
Where is the money?  Who finds it?  Who gets to keep it?
Do the Schwartzes actually give Walt Jr the money?


How far down this rabbit hole do you want to go?

What happened to Carol's oranges, were they ruined when she dropped them on the ground?
What happens to Holly, do we need another season to show the after effects of Walt's actions on her years 2-12?
What about the waitress at the diner that the Nazi guys looked at creepily, what is she doing now?
What does Walt Jr. do with the money when he turns 18?
What about Huell, is he still sitting in that house?
Who now owns Los Pollos? Did it survive as a chicken franchise?

I mean, we could ask 8,000 more questions about every nuance, but in the end they told Walt's story, and in my opinion they wrapped it all up very well.
 
2013-09-30 01:07:04 PM

redmid17: dryknife: What did Lydia say on the phone when she thought she was talking to Todd but Walt had the phone? Her and todd were up to...?

She was asking if Walt was dead at his (or the Nazis) hands. Remember her line:

"We're not going to do business with him."
*Blank stare from Todd*
"Do I have to spell it out for you?"


It sounded like she asked if "they" were gone or whatever and Walt responded with yes they are.
 
2013-09-30 01:10:33 PM

elchip: The Great EZE: I loved the finale and the show but, as unpopular as this is going to be, I don't think Lydia deserved the ending she got.

Maybe I'm just an idiot, but I don't get...

* Why Walt decided Lydia had to die.  Merely distributing their meth didn't mean she was in on all of the neo-Nazis' nastiness.  Granted, she was complicit in a lot of their shenanigans, but how did Walt have any way of knowing that with certainty?

* Why Jack decided that he should prove to a guy he's about to kill that he's not a liar.  That seemed like the most contrived part of the episode to me.  Are we to believe he has some sort of sense of honor?  If that's the case, why did he decide to kill Walt after declaring they were "square" in the third-to-last episode?  He had no reason to want Walt dead, other than suspicion that Walt wanted him dead.


Just my opinion:

Walt killed Lydia for two reasons, 1 - She was a threat to his family since Walt knew his wife had seen her (although he doesn't necessarily know that they had already asked Todd to kill Skylar). 2 - Walt wanted to tear down his blue meth empire, and as long as she was out there she would try and perpetuate it.

As for Jack, I would say it was just ego. Remember, all Walt wanted was to buy time to get to his keys. He was likely intending to kill the Nazis and Jesse since he thought Jesse was working with them. It was only after he saw him enslaved that they decided to save him. Jack only wanted to kill Walt because he had come back and there was way too much heat from law enforcement to have Walt around.
 
2013-09-30 01:12:19 PM

elchip: Maybe I'm just an idiot, but I don't get...

* Why Walt decided Lydia had to die. Merely distributing their meth didn't mean she was in on all of the neo-Nazis' nastiness. Granted, she was complicit in a lot of their shenanigans, but how did Walt have any way of knowing that with certainty?

* Why Jack decided that he should prove to a guy he's about to kill that he's not a liar. That seemed like the most contrived part of the episode to me. Are we to believe he has some sort of sense of honor? If that's the case, why did he decide to kill Walt after declaring they were "square" in the third-to-last episode? He had no reason to want Walt dead, other than suspicion that Walt wanted him dead


Lydia was a threat to his family, she doesn't like loose ends and that includes Sky who saw her at the carwash

Jack has honor among thieves, this was even setup with his line to Walt "Hey man I gotta know we're square or this can go the other way?". Also keep in mind the context that he is a white supremacist and likely would give another white male the benefit of the doubt at times. There is also the respect Todd has for Walt and Jack's respect for that connection.
 
2013-09-30 01:13:53 PM

elchip: The Great EZE: I loved the finale and the show but, as unpopular as this is going to be, I don't think Lydia deserved the ending she got.

Maybe I'm just an idiot, but I don't get...

* Why Walt decided Lydia had to die.  Merely distributing their meth didn't mean she was in on all of the neo-Nazis' nastiness.  Granted, she was complicit in a lot of their shenanigans, but how did Walt have any way of knowing that with certainty?


I don't think Walt knew of the hit Lydia put on Skylar, so I think it was more his seeing Lydia as a threat to his legacy. If she lives then the greater meth distribution can live on while Walt's influence slowly fades away, if it manages to survive after him at all.

Also, the guy has gone slowly insane over the past two story-years. It could be a simple matter of him being pissed at everyone he ever worked with and wanting to kill them all. Hell, if Gale were still alive and Walt had enough ricin, Gale probably would've seen a similar fate.
 
2013-09-30 01:14:08 PM
It tied things up just a little too neatly.

Allowing Walt to get the money to his family - and using the Schwartzs, who by all accounts did nothing wrong besides not genuflect at Walt's genius - was a surprising move given Gilligan's "no bad deed goes unpunished" mantra throughout the show's run.
 
2013-09-30 01:15:30 PM
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2013-09-30 01:15:41 PM

skinink: I liked the ending. There were a few places where things that happened were kind of a stretch, but overall it was good. My thing is I felt Jesse really should have killed Walt, even if Jesse showed during the whole series that he could kill but did not enjoy it.


Him not killing Walt was the final victory for Jesse. The entire series has been Walt convincing Jesse to do things Jesse didn't want to do, convincing Jesse that this is what he wanted despite always feeling super guilty afterwards. That's why Jesse says "I want to hear the words. Tell me this is what you want." And then he refuses. He's truly free from Walt at that point.
 
2013-09-30 01:19:11 PM

jj325: I wonder how long ago Vince Gilligan decided to use Baby Blue by Badfinger?  For me, the song worked incredibly well for the ending.  If you had asked someone to write a song for that moment I don't think amyone could have come up with such a perfect fit


That song choice is not getting the respect it deserves.  As you say, it's just 110% perfect in every way.  The sweet nostalgia, the lyrics themselves, the fact it was Walt's own era.  It's just brilliant and makes the episode ultimately soar.  No other song, or silence, would have done the same work.
 
2013-09-30 01:19:16 PM

rcantley: It tied things up just a little too neatly.

Allowing Walt to get the money to his family - and using the Schwartzs, who by all accounts did nothing wrong besides not genuflect at Walt's genius - was a surprising move given Gilligan's "no bad deed goes unpunished" mantra throughout the show's run.


They sinned, the denied Walt's involvement in Grey Matter to shore up stock prices even though he was critical in the company successes and instrumental in its creation. Essentially in the end, Walt reclaimed his son's birthright.

"Elliot, if this is going to go that way you're going to need a bigger knife"

God that line was brilliant
 
2013-09-30 01:22:16 PM

Hoboclown: skinink: I liked the ending. There were a few places where things that happened were kind of a stretch, but overall it was good. My thing is I felt Jesse really should have killed Walt, even if Jesse showed during the whole series that he could kill but did not enjoy it.

Him not killing Walt was the final victory for Jesse. The entire series has been Walt convincing Jesse to do things Jesse didn't want to do, convincing Jesse that this is what he wanted despite always feeling super guilty afterwards. That's why Jesse says "I want to hear the words. Tell me this is what you want." And then he refuses. He's truly free from Walt at that point.


Exactly. That was a brilliant ending, and a tremendous resolution of their conflict. I admit I had no idea how they would pull that off, and it was perfect.

All these people saying the ending sucked are probably the same ones who were suggesting Walt would go on a rampage murdering everyone at Gray Matter for some reason.

Guys: there's a reason Vince Gilligan was the show runner of what is widely considered the best TV show ever, and you do what you do, Just try and do the best job at what you do, and give credit where it is due here.
 
2013-09-30 01:24:33 PM

IdBeCrazyIf: They sinned, the denied Walt's involvement in Grey Matter to shore up stock prices even though he was critical in the company successes and instrumental in its creation. Essentially in the end, Walt reclaimed his son's birthright.


My question is, was he essential?  The show was ambiguous about it.  We only have Walt's point of view on the matter, and let's be honest, he ain't exactly unbiased.

For all we know, the company was a going-nowhere start-up at the point that he left.

Walt certainly thinks he's reclaiming his son's birthright.  I just don't particularly believe him.
 
2013-09-30 01:25:37 PM

elchip: * Why Jack decided that he should prove to a guy he's about to kill that he's not a liar.  That seemed like the most contrived part of the episode to me.


This aspect was actually very accurate to life. Among these knuckle-dragger gangs, aryans, bikers, cops, prison guards, tough guy culture in general demands -- demands -- respect and submission to superiors. Public dissing and humiliation or disrespect are dealt with harshly.
I think they got Jack's alpha pack-leader, "I will not be disrespected in front of my fellow mouth-breathers!" pretty much spot-on.

Walt knew this and played Jack with it.
 
2013-09-30 01:29:16 PM

rcantley: My question is, was he essential? The show was ambiguous about it. We only have Walt's point of view on the matter, and let's be honest, he ain't exactly unbiased.

For all we know, the company was a going-nowhere start-up at the point that he left.

Walt certainly thinks he's reclaiming his son's birthright. I just don't particularly believe him.


This is a great question and quit honestly we'll never know. I suspect in some regard you may be correct, that though while he was there at the beginning that his own pride colors his perspective and idea of what his contribution was. This was Walt's story after all, and he was hell bent on making things right to his own idea of what right was.
 
2013-09-30 01:31:51 PM

IdBeCrazyIf: rcantley: It tied things up just a little too neatly.

Allowing Walt to get the money to his family - and using the Schwartzs, who by all accounts did nothing wrong besides not genuflect at Walt's genius - was a surprising move given Gilligan's "no bad deed goes unpunished" mantra throughout the show's run.

They sinned, the denied Walt's involvement in Grey Matter to shore up stock prices even though he was critical in the company successes and instrumental in its creation. Essentially in the end, Walt reclaimed his son's birthright.

"Elliot, if this is going to go that way you're going to need a bigger knife"

God that line was brilliant


This.  I nearly choked at that point.
 
2013-09-30 01:32:51 PM

Hoboclown: skinink: I liked the ending. There were a few places where things that happened were kind of a stretch, but overall it was good. My thing is I felt Jesse really should have killed Walt, even if Jesse showed during the whole series that he could kill but did not enjoy it.

Him not killing Walt was the final victory for Jesse. The entire series has been Walt convincing Jesse to do things Jesse didn't want to do, convincing Jesse that this is what he wanted despite always feeling super guilty afterwards. That's why Jesse says "I want to hear the words. Tell me this is what you want." And then he refuses. He's truly free from Walt at that point.


I 100% agree with that assessment.
 
2013-09-30 01:34:11 PM

skinink: Pizza is the best, most delicious food ever created by man. So never try pizza because only my statement has overhyped how good pizza is.


If you like things that a bunch of other people like, you won't be special anymore and it will mean you're just another sheeple.
 
2013-09-30 01:34:28 PM

gilgigamesh: All these people saying the ending sucked are probably the same ones who were suggesting Walt would go on a rampage murdering everyone at Gray Matter for some reason.


who said that?
 
2013-09-30 01:34:42 PM

rcantley: IdBeCrazyIf: They sinned, the denied Walt's involvement in Grey Matter to shore up stock prices even though he was critical in the company successes and instrumental in its creation. Essentially in the end, Walt reclaimed his son's birthright.

My question is, was he essential?  The show was ambiguous about it.  We only have Walt's point of view on the matter, and let's be honest, he ain't exactly unbiased.

For all we know, the company was a going-nowhere start-up at the point that he left.

Walt certainly thinks he's reclaiming his son's birthright.  I just don't particularly believe him.


I could be wrong but I think he just saw Grey Matter as a backdoor way to get the money to his family.  I'm not sure he thought that they owed him anything, just that they were known to give to charities, etc.
 
2013-09-30 01:40:43 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: This aspect was actually very accurate to life. Among these knuckle-dragger gangs, aryans, bikers, cops, prison guards, tough guy culture in general demands -- demands -- respect and submission to superiors. Public dissing and humiliation or disrespect are dealt with harshly.
I think they got Jack's alpha pack-leader, "I will not be disrespected in front of my fellow mouth-breathers!" pretty much spot-on.

Walt knew this and played Jack with it.


Good point.  Although why did Jack still want to kill Walt despite declaring that they were "square" two episodes ago?
 
2013-09-30 01:42:50 PM

elchip: HotIgneous Intruder: This aspect was actually very accurate to life. Among these knuckle-dragger gangs, aryans, bikers, cops, prison guards, tough guy culture in general demands -- demands -- respect and submission to superiors. Public dissing and humiliation or disrespect are dealt with harshly.
I think they got Jack's alpha pack-leader, "I will not be disrespected in front of my fellow mouth-breathers!" pretty much spot-on.

Walt knew this and played Jack with it.

Good point.  Although why did Jack still want to kill Walt despite declaring that they were "square" two episodes ago?


The two episodes was 4 months. In that time they no longer had a need for Walt and he became a huge liability being the most wanted person in NM with an intimate knowledge of their organization and how it works.
 
2013-09-30 01:43:29 PM

Lando Lincoln: TeamEd: Brilliant show, bad ending.
Walt was a more interesting and complex character when he was exiled to New Hampshire dying of cancer alone, hated and unable to give his family his money. And then, the last episode. Everything that happens after he leaves New Hampshire breaks his way. The last episode is him succeeding in setting his family up with money, avenging his honour, and dying on his own terms, satisfied.
In one episode he turned from the man who was finally suffering the consequences of continually over-estimating his own genius back into the guy who's simply smarter and luckier than everyone.
/ He had no plans to survive the showdown with the Nazis (remember when he was so fascinated by the ending of Scarface?). He was always going to die. It's weird he gets to die satisfied, not feeling an ounce of the suffering Jesse has.

So in other words, you desperately wanted to believe that Walter White was a horrible human being, and this ending ruined it for you.

Jesse deserves all of his suffering. All of it. Jesse was the one that caused Hank's death, and Gomie's, and Andrea's. If Jesse had just gotten in the van and gone on and lived his life with a big bag of money, then those three would still be alive, and Hank would have died from cancer anyway. Fark Jesse.


There, there. Tell us where the bad Jessie touched you.
 
2013-09-30 01:46:23 PM

Benjamin Stone: Loved the ending. I can understand how people might be underwhelmed but to claim it was outright horrible just doesn't compute.

Any idea when 5b will be on Netflix in the U.S.? I know in the U.K. they were all made available the day after they aired on AMC.


Use Hola Unblocker, then you don't have to wait.
 
2013-09-30 01:59:26 PM

Lando Lincoln: and Hank would have died from cancer anyway. Fark Jesse.


Colon cancer or prostate cancer? I'm guessing the former, with all the time he spent on the toilet reading books.

I guess Gomie is the real tragedy, if Hank was going to die anyway. Probably caught the cancer drinking the water on that Mexican DEA operation.
 
2013-09-30 01:59:45 PM

cameroncrazy1984: It's precisely this type of overhyped, breathless article that made me never watch the show to begin with.


That's why I never want to try sex.

Too many people say it is awesome and I am too special to enjoy what other people like.

/Must be tedious purposely avoiding things other people really like
 
2013-09-30 02:02:55 PM

elchip: Good point.  Although why did Jack still want to kill Walt despite declaring that they were "square" two episodes ago?


I think there was a certain amount of good will floating in the air at that point since Walt had just provided Jack's crew with what, $60 million?

Later, Jack's gang had their own game going with Jesse cooking and Lydia selling, so Walt simply wasn't needed. Most importantly, Jack probably figured Walt would be wanting some of that cash back and that was a non-starter.
 
2013-09-30 02:06:03 PM

dryknife: redmid17: dryknife: What did Lydia say on the phone when she thought she was talking to Todd but Walt had the phone? Her and todd were up to...?

She was asking if Walt was dead at his (or the Nazis) hands. Remember her line:

"We're not going to do business with him."
*Blank stare from Todd*
"Do I have to spell it out for you?"

It sounded like she asked if "they" were gone or whatever and Walt responded with yes they are.


I assumed she meant Jessie since she knew he was still alive and wanted him dead. The whole conversation was predicated around Todd learning Walt's "new method." With that knowledge in hand, there was no reason to keep either of them alive.
 
2013-09-30 02:25:28 PM

phenn: SafeIP


Thanks!

(Now, any way to do this so that I can stream it through my PS3? : )
 
2013-09-30 02:26:44 PM

recoil47: While not even remotely in the same genre, Babylon 5 was one of my favorite story-arc based TV shows, and it's "Finale" was really the last 3-4 episodes, with the actual last episode being more of a "epilogue" than an end-all-be-all finale.


Not surprising (to me) that you'd make the comparison to Babylon 5.  When I started to see the transformation of Walt to Heisenberg, I told my wife it reminded me of Londo's transformation from buffoon to emperor, complete with the eventual fall.   With G'Kar playing the foil to Londo as Jesse played the foil to Walt, both joined at the hip until death.
 
2013-09-30 02:30:37 PM
My only quibble, and it's minor, as I think this was, overall the best show in TV's history, is that the finale used the fallacy of the talking killer with Jack.
 
2013-09-30 02:37:45 PM

John Buck 41: cameroncrazy1984: It's precisely this type of overhyped, breathless article that made me never watch the show to begin with.

Likewise.


I think Fark.com is the best website of all time.

Now leave.
 
2013-09-30 02:43:07 PM

thisisyourbrainonFark: My only quibble, and it's minor, as I think this was, overall the best show in TV's history, is that the finale used the fallacy of the talking killer with Jack.


It was a little more believable than usual, I think though. Walt used Jack's pride against him ("PARTNERS?!") in the same way Walt's pride caused his own downfall. Gus' pride and desire to gloat to Tio after the fake DEA visit caused his end too, and Tuco did a fair amount of shouting instead of shooting Jesse and Walt in S2. The show could've ended at the end of S3 if Mike just shot Walt instead of letting him phone Jesse and give the order to shoot Gale.

Maybe that doesn't excuse it, but it had precedent with the other "kingpins". Walt knew how to push Jack's buttons, and we saw last week how pissed Jack was when Jesse snitched on Todd in the video. He didn't just want to kill Walt, he wanted to kill Walt without Walt thinking he was a liar.

Reminded me of Marlo. "He used my name? In the street? My name is my name!"
 
2013-09-30 02:46:08 PM

thisisyourbrainonFark: My only quibble, and it's minor, as I think this was, overall the best show in TV's history, is that the finale used the fallacy of the talking killer with Jack.


Black is the color and beauty is the game,
The beasties come to get me, but I don't feel their pain.

The hotel sign is flickering, it beckons from above,
The master of my own domain, I sow my seeds of love.

Your eyes burn like daggers through the triumph of my will,
Your hands they smell like gasoline, they cause my love to spill.

Fallacies,
Fallacies,
All your lies won't set you free,
Fallacies,
Fallacies....

The windy wind is blowing and the bed springs creek their tune,
My cup is overflowing, shooting putty at the moon.

At the crystal palace where I try to make my stand,
My girls all call you Yokels, say you're gonna kill the band.

Work makes three they're telling me, I 've got no place to start,
Oh, how do I escape you little Fuhrer of my heart?

Fallacies,
Fallacies,
None for you and ten for me,
all your lies won't set you free,
From fallacies,
Fallacies...

Black is the color and beauty is the game,
The beasties come to get me, but I can't feel their pain.

I like my Funyuns salty, like my Jolly Ranchers grape,
Can't say I really dig the way my brain you tried to rape.

I hang out 'though I know I waste my everlasting soul
Cause I love your crabby panties and you pack a righteous bowl.

Fallacies, fallacies, fallacies, fallacies..
Fallacies, fallacies, fallacies, fallacies..

Wars and conflicts,
Fallacies
Clowns and convicts,
Fallacies
Planets dying,
Fallacies
Mulitplying,
Fallacies
Popes and bankers,
Spilling tankers,
Excuse my manners,
Here comes the hammer!!!

(spoken) "It's all one big fallacy yo."

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2013-09-30 02:46:17 PM

Confabulat: DamnYankees: She sat at a different table LAST WEEK! Seriously - just last week when she met Todd, they both sat at tables next to the window. The table in tonight's episode was a different table, not next to the window. I literally watched both episodes today, so unless I'm hallucinating, you're wrong.

You may be right about that, I can't remember. If so, it wouldn't be the first mistake the writers have made (the Nazis referencing Bin Laden being killed when the show occurs around 2009 being another).


It wasn't a mistake. When she met Todd last week Todd arrived at the coffee shop first, so she sat at a table near him.

This time, she showed up first. Thus, being the creature of habit she is, she sat at the table she always sits at.

Not brain science or rocket surgery people. Sheesh.
 
2013-09-30 02:52:28 PM

SlothB77: It is still unclear to me if Walt dies in the lab or not.  he got shot once, in the side and was lying there.  But is he dead or just wounded?


Pretty sure he bled out

HighOnCraic: I liked the fact that he woke up in bed with his wife, Emily, and realized that the whole show was just a weird dream.


And their grandchild was sitting there starring into the snow globe?
 
2013-09-30 02:53:24 PM

Champion of the Sun: gilgigamesh: All these people saying the ending sucked are probably the same ones who were suggesting Walt would go on a rampage murdering everyone at Gray Matter for some reason.

who said that?


Well you did, for one:

Champion of the Sun: It wasn't bad or anything, but I was totally underwhelmed. Everything happened exactly how I thought it would going into the finale. For a show that has always kept me guessing, was kinda disappointed.


Also:

TeamEd: Brilliant show, bad ending.


RaceBoatDriver: The episode was a total sellout, gratuitous hollywood ending.


js34603: Sorry it wasn't that great of a finale. Taken with the last couple episodes it sort of becomes a great last season, but just on its own this one episode was slow paced, and amounted to him hopping from place to place to tie everything up in unrealistically neat bow.


There were more in the thread last night who expressed disappointed. I guess you can't please everyone, but come on.
 
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