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2013-09-29 11:51:37 PM
Spoiler alert. It's the entire episode.
 
2013-09-29 11:55:31 PM
It was good, but the best ever?

That is different

It was your average Breaking Bad episode. Its hard to have the best episode ever when you have risen the bar that high
 
2013-09-29 11:58:27 PM

cman: It was good, but the best ever?

That is different

It was your average Breaking Bad episode. Its hard to have the best episode ever when you have risen the bar that high


I'd say the true finale came with the last two episodes.

This was just mopping up and turning off the lights.
 
2013-09-29 11:59:30 PM

Shostie: cman: It was good, but the best ever?

That is different

It was your average Breaking Bad episode. Its hard to have the best episode ever when you have risen the bar that high

I'd say the true finale came with the last two episodes.

This was just mopping up and turning off the lights.


I was glad to see that awful Stevia biatch die.
 
2013-09-30 12:12:51 AM
They tied their shoes and walked out the door. Pristine ending, just like the Lydia biatch said.
 
2013-09-30 12:24:46 AM
My only issue - the Stevia thing didn't make sense. How and when did he put ricin inside the Stevia packet? How did he know she'd sit at that table; just last week she'd sat at a different one. Why did he need to tell her what he did - now that she knows, can't she get treatment? Sloppy.

Otherwise - absolutely great.
 
2013-09-30 12:30:45 AM
It's precisely this type of overhyped, breathless article that made me never watch the show to begin with.
 
2013-09-30 12:33:21 AM

DamnYankees: My only issue - the Stevia thing didn't make sense. How and when did he put ricin inside the Stevia packet? How did he know she'd sit at that table; just last week she'd sat at a different one. Why did he need to tell her what he did - now that she knows, can't she get treatment? Sloppy.


Jesus, we were just discussing this in the live thread. Lydia and Walt ALWAYS sat at that table at 10 AM. She ALWAYS ordered chamomile tea with Stevia as she a creature of habit. Walt surely put the ricin in a packet before he entered the restaurant; he would have time to glue it up and make it look normal. It was the only packet on the table. Walt surely took care of that before Lydia showed up as well.

That's not sloppy writing; that's sloppy viewing on your part.
 
2013-09-30 12:34:26 AM
The show has always assumed you can put together the pieces, you know. It would have been lame to actually show Walter poisoning the Stevia.
 
2013-09-30 12:35:09 AM

cameroncrazy1984: It's precisely this type of overhyped, breathless article that made me never watch the show to begin with.


It's really a great show. Try it on Netflix. I don't recommend a lot of stuff. This show delivers.
 
2013-09-30 12:35:56 AM

Confabulat: Lydia and Walt ALWAYS sat at that table at 10 AM.


She sat at a different table LAST WEEK! Seriously - just last week when she met Todd, they both sat at tables next to the window. The table in tonight's episode was a different table, not next to the window. I literally watched both episodes today, so unless I'm hallucinating, you're wrong.
 
2013-09-30 12:36:40 AM

Confabulat: The show has always assumed you can put together the pieces, you know. It would have been lame to actually show Walter poisoning the Stevia.


I actually thought it was sort of lame that they tipped it off as much as they did - the anvillicious shot of her putting in the Stevia, and him telling her on the phone. All we needed to see was her sick on the phone; no need to mention anything else.
 
2013-09-30 12:38:00 AM

DamnYankees: She sat at a different table LAST WEEK! Seriously - just last week when she met Todd, they both sat at tables next to the window. The table in tonight's episode was a different table, not next to the window. I literally watched both episodes today, so unless I'm hallucinating, you're wrong.


You may be right about that, I can't remember. If so, it wouldn't be the first mistake the writers have made (the Nazis referencing Bin Laden being killed when the show occurs around 2009 being another).
 
2013-09-30 12:38:37 AM

DamnYankees: Confabulat: Lydia and Walt ALWAYS sat at that table at 10 AM.

She sat at a different table LAST WEEK! Seriously - just last week when she met Todd, they both sat at tables next to the window. The table in tonight's episode was a different table, not next to the window. I literally watched both episodes today, so unless I'm hallucinating, you're wrong.


You're both the prettiest!

heh... I love that the show makes you think and it creates a lot of really good dialogue among the fans. If more shows treated their audience as intelligent... well that sh*t ain't gonna happen in my lifetime.
 
2013-09-30 12:38:41 AM

Confabulat: You may be right about that, I can't remember. If so, it wouldn't be the first mistake the writers have made (the Nazis referencing Bin Laden being killed when the show occurs around 2009 being another).


I'll take that as an apology for your condescending post above then.
 
2013-09-30 12:39:47 AM

DamnYankees: Confabulat: You may be right about that, I can't remember. If so, it wouldn't be the first mistake the writers have made (the Nazis referencing Bin Laden being killed when the show occurs around 2009 being another).

I'll take that as an apology for your condescending post above then.


Hell no.
 
2013-09-30 12:41:43 AM

cameroncrazy1984: It's precisely this type of overhyped, breathless article that made me never watch the show to begin with.


Eh, its not for everyone
 
2013-09-30 12:42:50 AM
I also do wish we had a little more emotional resolution for Jesse. All that happens is that he's set free, but he still has absolutely nothing in his life, Andrea is still dead, and he's emotionally tortured. Jesse didn't get a denoument - he'll probably die of drug overdose within a few months.
 
2013-09-30 12:44:47 AM

DamnYankees: I also do wish we had a little more emotional resolution for Jesse. All that happens is that he's set free, but he still has absolutely nothing in his life, Andrea is still dead, and he's emotionally tortured. Jesse didn't get a denoument - he'll probably die of drug overdose within a few months.


I doubt that

After everything he went through I think Jesse would be done with the drug life

If he does drugs, it would just be weed
 
2013-09-30 12:45:35 AM

DamnYankees: I also do wish we had a little more emotional resolution for Jesse. All that happens is that he's set free, but he still has absolutely nothing in his life, Andrea is still dead, and he's emotionally tortured. Jesse didn't get a denoument - he'll probably die of drug overdose within a few months.


Well they could have shown him becoming a lumberjack.
 
2013-09-30 12:45:55 AM

cman: DamnYankees: I also do wish we had a little more emotional resolution for Jesse. All that happens is that he's set free, but he still has absolutely nothing in his life, Andrea is still dead, and he's emotionally tortured. Jesse didn't get a denoument - he'll probably die of drug overdose within a few months.

I doubt that

After everything he went through I think Jesse would be done with the drug life

If he does drugs, it would just be weed


I just think he'll commit suicide. Dude has crazy PTSD, insane guilt, no money, no education and no support system. There's no light at the end of that tunnel.
 
2013-09-30 12:47:23 AM

DamnYankees: cman: DamnYankees: I also do wish we had a little more emotional resolution for Jesse. All that happens is that he's set free, but he still has absolutely nothing in his life, Andrea is still dead, and he's emotionally tortured. Jesse didn't get a denoument - he'll probably die of drug overdose within a few months.

I doubt that

After everything he went through I think Jesse would be done with the drug life

If he does drugs, it would just be weed

I just think he'll commit suicide. Dude has crazy PTSD, insane guilt, no money, no education and no support system. There's no light at the end of that tunnel.


He still has his family and his two dumbass friends. After what he went though it seems to reason that he would try to reconcile with his family as a support system.

But yeah, mentally he is pretty farked
 
2013-09-30 12:47:28 AM

DamnYankees: I just think he'll commit suicide. Dude has crazy PTSD, insane guilt, no money, no education and no support system. There's no light at the end of that tunnel.


I was always shocked he didn't get stabbed to death at one of his parties.
 
2013-09-30 12:48:13 AM

cman: He still has his family and his two dumbass friends.


His family? They hate him and have disowned him. And if you think he's gonna rely on Badger and whathisface for support, well, I disagree.
 
2013-09-30 12:59:13 AM
I liked the fact that he woke up in bed with his wife, Emily, and realized that the whole show was just a weird dream.
 
2013-09-30 01:26:42 AM

DamnYankees: cman: He still has his family and his two dumbass friends.

His family? They hate him and have disowned him. And if you think he's gonna rely on Badger and whathisface for support, well, I disagree.


You could be right

We shall never know
 
2013-09-30 01:35:14 AM

DamnYankees: cman: He still has his family and his two dumbass friends.

His family? They hate him and have disowned him. And if you think he's gonna rely on Badger and whathisface for support, well, I disagree.


The Badger maims, but he does not kill.
 
2013-09-30 01:37:16 AM
I'll admit, I cried when they sang, "It's a long way to Tipperary."
 
2013-09-30 01:42:47 AM

cameroncrazy1984: It's precisely this type of overhyped, breathless article that made me never watch the show to begin with.


Give it a shot. Everyone I've convinced to watch the show has become a huge fan. It just delivers and twists and leaves you going HOLY FARK. It is amazing television.
 
2013-09-30 01:52:18 AM

cman: DamnYankees: I also do wish we had a little more emotional resolution for Jesse. All that happens is that he's set free, but he still has absolutely nothing in his life, Andrea is still dead, and he's emotionally tortured. Jesse didn't get a denoument - he'll probably die of drug overdose within a few months.


I like to think that he ends up a woodworker in Alaska, with his adopted son Brock by his side.
 
2013-09-30 07:31:59 AM

DamnYankees: My only issue - the Stevia thing didn't make sense. How and when did he put ricin inside the Stevia packet? How did he know she'd sit at that table; just last week she'd sat at a different one. Why did he need to tell her what he did - now that she knows, can't she get treatment? Sloppy.

Otherwise - absolutely great.


I'm not 100% sure, but I think ricin poisoning is a one-way ticket. I don't think there's anything that can be done for the victim.
 
2013-09-30 07:41:20 AM

cameroncrazy1984: It's precisely this type of overhyped, breathless article that made me never watch the show to begin with.


Well maybe if you would have liked it before everyone else caught on you could have enjoyed one of the best shows ever on TV. It's important though that you let hipster dogma govern your decision making, thank god for articles like this otherwise you missed out on your irrational backlash.
 
2013-09-30 07:43:03 AM
Yo.
 
2013-09-30 07:48:03 AM
It was a good, satisfying ending to the show, but "best ever" is a bit of a stretch. It'll need a few months for the newness to wear off to see how it shapes up in comparisons to great shows past.

Right now, I still think The Shield had the best finale of the last 10 years.
 
2013-09-30 07:52:32 AM

DamnYankees: Confabulat: Lydia and Walt ALWAYS sat at that table at 10 AM.

She sat at a different table LAST WEEK! Seriously - just last week when she met Todd, they both sat at tables next to the window. The table in tonight's episode was a different table, not next to the window. I literally watched both episodes today, so unless I'm hallucinating, you're wrong.


It was pretty clear since her character was introduced that she had two different meeting places. She had one that she met at when she first started working with a person, and another that she met at once she was comfortable with them. The place she was poisoned at was the place where she use to meet Mike. Once Walt became her contact she started meeting Walt at the first place and once she was comfortable with him she started meeting him at the place she was poisoned at. Once Walt left and Todd became the contact she started meeting him at the first place and then after she became comfortable with him she started meeting him at the place she was poisoned at. You have to remember that Lydia was a paranoid OCD person who insisted on back to back meetings at out of the way places until she was comfortable with a person, then she would meet face to face with them at a regular time in a regular place.
 
2013-09-30 07:53:19 AM

DamnYankees: Confabulat: Lydia and Walt ALWAYS sat at that table at 10 AM.

She sat at a different table LAST WEEK! Seriously - just last week when she met Todd, they both sat at tables next to the window. The table in tonight's episode was a different table, not next to the window. I literally watched both episodes today, so unless I'm hallucinating, you're wrong.



Did Walt know she switched tables LAST WEEK?! I doubt it. He took a gamble based on his knowledge of her routines taken from weekly meetings over a year's time. Turns out, his gamble was correct.

Plus, he could have also palmed the Stevia packet and then switched it out with the other one during his coughing fit, while they were distracted. It would not be the first time that vial of ricin was subject to slight of hand.

Glad they didn't include the scene of Jesse in his cell playing a xylophone.  I heard he struck the same chord, but two distinctly different tones came out. I heard someone got fired for that blunder.
 
2013-09-30 07:54:43 AM

DamnYankees: Confabulat: Lydia and Walt ALWAYS sat at that table at 10 AM.

She sat at a different table LAST WEEK! Seriously - just last week when she met Todd, they both sat at tables next to the window. The table in tonight's episode was a different table, not next to the window. I literally watched both episodes today, so unless I'm hallucinating, you're wrong.


No, it's the same table.  You can watch her walk in and sit down by the window at the same table as always at the start of the scene.  They just shot it from the opposite side of the table than they usually do, so that rather than looking out, you're looking in and can see Walt come and sit.
 
2013-09-30 07:57:26 AM
Pizza is the best, most delicious food ever created by man. So never try pizza because only my statement has overhyped how good pizza is.
 
2013-09-30 07:57:37 AM

cameroncrazy1984: It's precisely this type of overhyped, breathless article that made me never watch the show to begin with.


Sure as hell hasn't kept you from biatching in every Breaking Bad thread. Seriously, no one cares that you haven't watched the show.
 
2013-09-30 07:59:30 AM
Ozymandias was the episode that the other finales should be compared to. The last two episodes were just a fantastic slow-burn of tension.
 
2013-09-30 08:00:32 AM
Question about the tables. She showed up first this time, and Todd sat at her table. When she went to the diner the previous week, Todd was already there, and she didn't want to be seen talking with him that time, which is why she might have taken one table over.

Can't remember the earlier episodes where she and Walt met, though.
 
2013-09-30 08:01:25 AM
D'oh, forgot to ask the damn question. Can anybody check the other times she met Walt?
 
2013-09-30 08:03:59 AM
M*A*S*H
 
2013-09-30 08:06:45 AM

Beer cap: cameroncrazy1984: It's precisely this type of overhyped, breathless article that made me never watch the show to begin with.

You miss out on a lot of good things if you look for silly reasons to not take them in.


I don't see the point of going into a long thread that's about something you don't like and blindly bi*ching about it. I mean, I could go into a wrestling or brony thread and go, "man, I just don't get this, and you people are weird," but it's going to fall on deaf ears. Why bother? Likewise, if you're a fan and think that the show has gone in the wrong direction and are willing to defend that by offering up a better alternative, it's one thing, but complaining without a solution is just toothless.
 
2013-09-30 08:06:52 AM

SurfaceTension: M*A*S*H


MASH is too old to fit into the so-called "Modern Golden Age..." which is pretty much TV shows that started after the Sopranos.
 
2013-09-30 08:08:55 AM
Over the top but I enjoyed it
 
2013-09-30 08:15:45 AM
I'm glad they ended it the way they did, was very much in the style of the rest of the show.  They didn't try to make it the most awesomest finale ever, they didn't cater to fans wills, they stayed true to the story that they wanted and ended it in such a way as to tie pretty much everything up.  If they had gone for something crazier and more intense than the previous couple of episodes it could have easily been a failure.

And my take is being kept as a meth slave for 6 months probably cured Jessie of his not having his shiat together.  Sure he'll be messed up, but his life won't be the train wreck it was.
 
2013-09-30 08:15:48 AM
I'm just glad we got a straight ending.

No early cancelation with unresolved plots and a hasty conclusion, no "it was all a dream" or other bullsh*t, no WTF last minute twists, nothing that didn't make any more or less sense than the rest of the series, no shift in tone, no speeches, no real "hero shots" ... just an ending that's as much a part of the show as anything deep in the third season.

For me, the satisfaction of the finale isn't just that it was good, but that it was the rarest thing on scripted TV: a proper ending.
 
2013-09-30 08:20:29 AM
It was a really satisfying ending. It wrapped up most of the questions people had and was a pretty happy ending for the show but it wasn't even close to the best ending of a tv show. We've just gotten so used to crappy endings over the past few years that people were amazed BB pulled off something good.
 
2013-09-30 08:23:47 AM

cameroncrazy1984: It's precisely this type of overhyped, breathless article that made me never watch the show to begin with.




I've been watching it this weekend with the wife. She's a huge fan of it. I personally think it is overrated. It's ok but not oh my god good. It's best if you ingore the cancer and taking care of his family premise. Look at it as someone who's always had to hold back his true nature. The cancer giving him an excuse to do what he does
 
2013-09-30 08:27:47 AM
No ambiguous endings?

OK, so this is what follows:

Jesse races to Andrea's house, only to find out, obviously, that Brock went to a Catholic orphanage, where he has been sexually and physically abused over the last year by a wicked old priest that oversees the place. Jesse raises a scene, but is dragged away by police, who are all too aware of his involvement in the Mr. Heisenberg Drug Ring (but do NOT have the video confession he recorded, since the nazis destroyed it). With the primary suspect dead, somebody has to frogmarched into court and go to jail.

Brock will run away form the orphanage at age 14, and become a krocodil user, dying at the age of 16, with half his flesh gone from his arms. HE might have been hooked on Crystal MEth instead, but the crappy, artificially-colored blue meth was too expensive.

Lydia made it to the hospital to get treatment and recovered from her poisoning. With the quality blue meth gone, she turns to her Czech suppliers to get krocodil, and starts moving that onto the streets of New Mexico and the rest of the southwest.

Skyler got a plea deal, but even with years knocked off her money laundering and fraudulent books charges (Ted's crooked books finally caught their attention), she still ended up going to prison for 10 years. Her first day, some fellow inmate named Tara Knowles beats her up and steals her blankets, it gets worse for Skyler after that... she never makes it out of prison alive.

Flynn gets his money, but his despair over his mother, and separation from his sister (who went to some catholic orphanage on the bad side of town) has thrown him into a depression, and he turns to drugs. His friend Louis helps him spend the $9+million on drug-fueled parties and steals much of the cash, as well. Flynn dies at the age of 19 in a back alley in Prague, a dirty syringbe filled with... korcodil laying at his side.

Marie remarries, gets her kleptomania under control and has 6 kids.

Saul is slinging cinnabons at a mall in Omaha.

Badger and Skinny Pete found the laser thing so funny, they decided to mess with some guy sitting in a known DEA safe house who looks a lot like that bouncer guy from Saul's office. They play the lasers on him through the window, Huell has a fatal heart attack.
 
2013-09-30 08:29:09 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: cameroncrazy1984: It's precisely this type of overhyped, breathless article that made me never watch the show to begin with.

I've been watching it this weekend with the wife. She's a huge fan of it. I personally think it is overrated. It's ok but not oh my god good. It's best if you ingore the cancer and taking care of his family premise. Look at it as someone who's always had to hold back his true nature. The cancer giving him an excuse to do what he does


This is the driving force behind the last season of the show. You'll see how once you get there.
 
2013-09-30 08:29:48 AM

DamnYankees: Confabulat: Lydia and Walt ALWAYS sat at that table at 10 AM.

She sat at a different table LAST WEEK! Seriously - just last week when she met Todd, they both sat at tables next to the window. The table in tonight's episode was a different table, not next to the window. I literally watched both episodes today, so unless I'm hallucinating, you're wrong.


Time stamp for each episode: E15 18:58, E16 21:58. It is the same table. Alone the windows outside the patio one table up from the emergency exit door. Plant to other side of the door.
 
2013-09-30 08:32:49 AM

LesserEvil: Brock will run away form the orphanage at age 14, and become a krocodil user, dying at the age of 16, with half his flesh gone from his arms. HE might have been hooked on Crystal MEth instead, but the crappy, artificially-colored blue meth was too expensive.


Why would Brock be in an orphanage? We met his grandmother when he was in the hospital.
 
2013-09-30 08:33:22 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: cameroncrazy1984: It's precisely this type of overhyped, breathless article that made me never watch the show to begin with.

I've been watching it this weekend with the wife. She's a huge fan of it. I personally think it is overrated. It's ok but not oh my god good. It's best if you ingore the cancer and taking care of his family premise. Look at it as someone who's always had to hold back his true nature. The cancer giving him an excuse to do what he does


um, that's the point of the show...
 
2013-09-30 08:33:25 AM

DamnYankees: My only issue - the Stevia thing didn't make sense. How and when did he put ricin inside the Stevia packet? How did he know she'd sit at that table; just last week she'd sat at a different one. Why did he need to tell her what he did - now that she knows, can't she get treatment? Sloppy.

Otherwise - absolutely great.


That was obvious as soon as you got that zoom shot of the powder dissolving into the tea.
Walt knew her routine and he played chess with her life and she lost. I thought it was nicely played.
Just like Badger and Skinny Pete getting into the car with Walt -- you didn't see that get set up either, but it happened.
 
2013-09-30 08:33:56 AM

Incorrigible Astronaut: Mid_mo_mad_man: cameroncrazy1984: It's precisely this type of overhyped, breathless article that made me never watch the show to begin with.

I've been watching it this weekend with the wife. She's a huge fan of it. I personally think it is overrated. It's ok but not oh my god good. It's best if you ingore the cancer and taking care of his family premise. Look at it as someone who's always had to hold back his true nature. The cancer giving him an excuse to do what he does

This is the driving force behind the last season of the show. You'll see how once you get there.




She's seen them all but this season. I had tried to watch it earlier but wasn't hooked. So we made a deal I watch Breaking Bad and she finally watches all three seasons of The Walking Dead.
 
2013-09-30 08:35:12 AM
Some commenters in the live thread thought that Walt got off to light, but he's lost the love of his family, his reputation, and he saw his brother-in-law murdered in front of his eyes. His whole world ended in Ozymandius, last week in New Hampshire was his personal purgatory, the finale was him settling accounts before his end. There was a bit of redemption there once he admitted to Skyler where he had gone wrong, but I feel his stay in Purgatory made the small redemption possible.

I mean, the Wonder Emporium movie itself is way darker than any hell Dante imagined.
 
2013-09-30 08:36:03 AM
The series climax was in the 3rd to the last episode, "To'hajiilee," with Walt finally getting arrested by Hank, then Hank getting killed. Everything came together in that episode.
 
2013-09-30 08:36:40 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: DamnYankees: Just like Badger and Skinny Pete getting into the car with Walt -- you didn't see that get set up either, but it happened.


As soon as I saw them even with their masks on I knew who those two were
 
2013-09-30 08:37:51 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: I've been watching it this weekend with the wife. She's a huge fan of it. I personally think it is overrated. It's ok but not oh my god good. It's best if you ingore the cancer and taking care of his family premise. Look at it as someone who's always had to hold back his true nature. The cancer giving him an excuse to do what he does


So the show is best if you focus on what is actually the point of the show? who would have thought! if you're watching Breaking Bad to see Walt cook meth and fight cancer... you're gonna have a bad time.
 
2013-09-30 08:39:53 AM

Carth: LesserEvil: Brock will run away form the orphanage at age 14, and become a krocodil user, dying at the age of 16, with half his flesh gone from his arms. HE might have been hooked on Crystal MEth instead, but the crappy, artificially-colored blue meth was too expensive.

Why would Brock be in an orphanage? We met his grandmother when he was in the hospital.


She was killed by a carjacker shortly after Brock's hospital visit. Actually one of Tuco's old gang members, but with him gone, they turned to petty street crimes.
 
2013-09-30 08:47:28 AM

Mad_Radhu: I mean, the Wonder Emporium movie itself is way darker than any hell Dante imagined.


Even the director of that abomination admitted to it

DamnYankees: now that she knows, can't she get treatment?


In heavy enough doses all you can do is make the patient comfortable and wait for death

Fallout Zone: Ozymandias was the episode that the other finales should be compared to. The last two episodes were just a fantastic slow-burn of tension.


This, the finale started with 14, 15 and 16 were just conclusions and wrap ups.
 
2013-09-30 08:51:04 AM
BUT WHAR IS MONEY
 
2013-09-30 08:58:08 AM

cameroncrazy1984: It's precisely this type of overhyped, breathless article that made me never watch the show to begin with.


Likewise.
 
2013-09-30 08:58:23 AM
Brilliant show, bad ending.
Walt was a more interesting and complex character when he was exiled to New Hampshire dying of cancer alone, hated and unable to give his family his money. And then, the last episode. Everything that happens after he leaves New Hampshire breaks his way. The last episode is him succeeding in setting his family up with money, avenging his honour, and dying on his own terms, satisfied.
In one episode he turned from the man who was finally suffering the consequences of continually over-estimating his own genius back into the guy who's simply smarter and luckier than everyone.
/ He had no plans to survive the showdown with the Nazis (remember when he was so fascinated by the ending of Scarface?). He was always going to die. It's weird he gets to die satisfied, not feeling an ounce of the suffering Jesse has.
 
2013-09-30 09:00:51 AM

RumsfeldsReplacement: BUT WHAR IS MONEY


Oh, forgot that wrap up...

Wendy the prostitute wanders into the nazi compound after the police have cleaned out the meth lab and guns, looking for a place to crash. As she tries the doors on various buildings, she finds one that she can bang open, and sees 6 barrels sitting in the middle of the storage shed, apparently left by police who were more than satisfied with finding the blue meth lab, guns and all the dead criminals to be bothered with checking the outlier buildings. Curious, she takes the lid off to discover the cash.

Wendy would parlay the cash into a successful line of Designer Home Furnishings, and turn that into a multi-media empire. The "W" Network opened to rave reviews.
 
2013-09-30 09:04:47 AM
If you look at the form of classic dramatic structure, you see that the plot develops and rises to a peak of action, then there is falling action leading to the denouement, or resolution.

The plot climax of the series was the "To'hajiilee" shootout.
The last two episodes were just to clean up the loose ends, to resolve the drama.

Very classic narrative form.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dramatic_structure
 
2013-09-30 09:05:14 AM

TeamEd: Brilliant show, bad ending.
Walt was a more interesting and complex character when he was exiled to New Hampshire dying of cancer alone, hated and unable to give his family his money. And then, the last episode. Everything that happens after he leaves New Hampshire breaks his way. The last episode is him succeeding in setting his family up with money, avenging his honour, and dying on his own terms, satisfied.
In one episode he turned from the man who was finally suffering the consequences of continually over-estimating his own genius back into the guy who's simply smarter and luckier than everyone.
/ He had no plans to survive the showdown with the Nazis (remember when he was so fascinated by the ending of Scarface?). He was always going to die. It's weird he gets to die satisfied, not feeling an ounce of the suffering Jesse has.


You've watched the whole show, right?

Everything ALWAYS breaks his way. It's a dark comedy. The anti-hero dies, but doesn't suffer - it's a trade-off between the fans who identify WITH Walt and those who don't.

"Look... look, you two guys are just... guys, okay? Mr. White... he's the devil. You know, he is... he is smarter than you, he is luckier than you. Whatever... whatever you think is supposed to happen... I'm telling you, the exact reverse opposite of that is gonna happen, okay?"

 
2013-09-30 09:08:50 AM
/But in addition to the typical dramatic structure, BB also ends in typically Shakespearean tragic style with the deaths at the end, particularly of our favorite antihero, Walt.
 
2013-09-30 09:11:22 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: /But in addition to the typical dramatic structure, BB also ends in typically Shakespearean tragic style with the deaths at the end, particularly of our favorite antihero, Walt.


There's that quote from Mr. Magorium: "When King Lear dies in Act V, do you know what Shakespeare has written? He's written "He dies." That's all, nothing more. No fanfare, no metaphor, no brilliant final words. The culmination of the most influential work of dramatic literature is "He dies." It takes Shakespeare, a genius, to come up with "He dies." And yet every time I read those two words, I find myself overwhelmed with dysphoria. And I know it's only natural to be sad, but not because of the words "He dies." but because of the life we saw prior to the words."

Walt always was the White King.
 
2013-09-30 09:14:13 AM

Beer cap: I still want to know what Walt planned on doing if he had survived the M-60 carnage.


He didn't plan on surviving. That seems pretty obvious,

Jumping on Jesse (on the pretense of "fighting" him) was a last minute decision to save Jesse after seeing that he had been enslaved by the nazis.
 
2013-09-30 09:15:33 AM

Carth: Walt always was the White King.


The chess game in the fire house called that out
 
2013-09-30 09:19:44 AM
It wasn't bad or anything, but I was totally underwhelmed. Everything happened exactly how I thought it would going into the finale. For a show that has always kept me guessing, was kinda disappointed.
 
2013-09-30 09:26:25 AM
It is still unclear to me if Walt dies in the lab or not.  he got shot once, in the side and was lying there.  But is he dead or just wounded?
 
2013-09-30 09:29:45 AM

Champion of the Sun: It wasn't bad or anything, but I was totally underwhelmed. Everything happened exactly how I thought it would going into the finale. For a show that has always kept me guessing, was kinda disappointed.


This.  Great show, just a below average example from it.  The episode was a total sellout, gratuitous hollywood ending.  Would have liked to see Lydia survive the ricin, maybe with liver damage, perhaps even facing a sentence.  Todd should have been killed in more believable terms other than stacking up unbelievable odds.

The 8 episode split probably pushed the writers against the wall as far as time.  Stuff like the machine gun and laser pointers stretched believability.  The writers are clever enough to fix it with another hour or so.  Just a little more detail in places would have cleaned things up tremendously.
 
2013-09-30 09:30:03 AM

DamnYankees: Confabulat: Lydia and Walt ALWAYS sat at that table at 10 AM.

She sat at a different table LAST WEEK! Seriously - just last week when she met Todd, they both sat at tables next to the window. The table in tonight's episode was a different table, not next to the window. I literally watched both episodes today, so unless I'm hallucinating, you're wrong.


Walt is in the restaurant the entire time.  If they sit at a different table or someone else sits at that table, Walt will see that and switch the ricin packet out.  Walt is hovering nearby watching intently the whole time.
 
2013-09-30 09:31:41 AM
Why did Walt poison Lydia?  She posed no threat to him that I remember.  Just because she is inherently bad because she is peddling meth?
 
2013-09-30 09:31:47 AM
It might've been predictable, but it gave a fitting send-off to every major character (well, except for Marie, but f*ck Marie), and I have yet to hear anybody come up with a better way to wrap things up.
 
2013-09-30 09:33:30 AM

SlothB77: It is still unclear to me if Walt dies in the lab or not.  he got shot once, in the side and was lying there.  But is he dead or just wounded?


I don't think it matters in the end. The cancer would have claimed him soon if the bullet hadn't.
 
2013-09-30 09:34:32 AM

RaceBoatDriver: The 8 episode split probably pushed the writers against the wall as far as time. Stuff like the machine gun and laser pointers stretched believability. The writers are clever enough to fix it with another hour or so. Just a little more detail in places would have cleaned things up tremendously.


There was supposed to be another 8 episodes but AMC or rather Sony wouldn't give Vince the budget he asked for so they condensed it down
 
2013-09-30 09:36:22 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: If you look at the form of classic dramatic structure, you see that the plot develops and rises to a peak of action, then there is falling action leading to the denouement, or resolution.

The plot climax of the series was the "To'hajiilee" shootout.
The last two episodes were just to clean up the loose ends, to resolve the drama.

Very classic narrative form.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dramatic_structure


That's where a lot of shows fail. They leave the climax right to the very end, not leaving any time for the story to wind down naturally.
 
2013-09-30 09:37:22 AM

SlothB77: Why did Walt poison Lydia?  She posed no threat to him that I remember.  Just because she is inherently bad because she is peddling meth?


Except she wanted to kill his wife (yea he didn't know that until the next scene)? Mike told her she needed to be killed and once his ego was out of the way he realized she was right.
 
2013-09-30 09:39:53 AM

cameroncrazy1984: It's precisely this type of overhyped, breathless article that made me never watch the show to begin with.


It's over-hyped sure, but it was still a great show.  I'm not sure if it's fit to be called the greatest show ever or anything, but definitely worth watching.
 
2013-09-30 09:45:39 AM

cman: It was good, but the best ever?

That is different

It was your average Breaking Bad episode. Its hard to have the best episode ever when you have risen the bar that high


Finales are tough and have plenty of pitfalls.  First, a series is lucky if they go out on their own terms and aren't cancelled beforehand (Firefly).  Then there's the difficulty of wrapping up the plot (LOST failed this pretty badly).  There is a question of whether or not to focus on fan-service or back to the first episodes (Burn Notice slipped about every line from their opening sequence into their final episode).  And then the finale still has to be good (Looking at you, Dexter).

Breaking Bad's finale is well done since it met all of these quite well.  Other than maybe Six Feet Under, finales are rarely the best episode.
 
2013-09-30 09:46:11 AM
Yeah, Walt got Lydia with the vial of ricin.  But the conclusion left wide open who would fall to the ricin cigarette.  And I still have no idea how Leaves of Grass got in Hank's bathroom.  And is Gale alive?  It sure looked like Jesse pointed the gun away at the last moment.  So many unanswered questions . . .
 
2013-09-30 09:46:31 AM
One thing I don't get is why did Walt shoot Jack when he was just going to die from that ricin cigarette anyway?
 
2013-09-30 09:47:51 AM

HighOnCraic: I liked the fact that he woke up in bed with his wife, Emily Lois, and realized that the whole show was just a weird dream.


FTFY.
 
2013-09-30 09:48:13 AM

Mad_Radhu: SlothB77: It is still unclear to me if Walt dies in the lab or not.  he got shot once, in the side and was lying there.  But is he dead or just wounded?

I don't think it matters in the end. The cancer would have claimed him soon if the bullet hadn't.


He survived his last bout with cancer.  i know this time he wasn't really treating it, but i guess he was caught anyhow and would be spending the rest of his life, however long it may be, in jail if he was still alive.
 
2013-09-30 09:51:13 AM

SlothB77: Mad_Radhu: SlothB77: It is still unclear to me if Walt dies in the lab or not.  he got shot once, in the side and was lying there.  But is he dead or just wounded?

I don't think it matters in the end. The cancer would have claimed him soon if the bullet hadn't.

He survived his last bout with cancer.  i know this time he wasn't really treating it, but i guess he was caught anyhow and would be spending the rest of his life, however long it may be, in jail if he was still alive.


He really didn't survive so much as he bought himself some time before it went out if remission. Last episode made it clear the cancer was back with a vengeance.
 
2013-09-30 09:51:50 AM
Lots of loose ends remain for me:

What does Jessie do?  Badger/ Skinny Pete reunion?
What happens to Sky?  Does she get off?  Does she get to keep the car wash?
What does Saul do?  He is in nebraska, right?  Does he become a corn farmer?
Where is the money?  Who finds it?  Who gets to keep it?
Do the Schwartzes actually give Walt Jr the money?
 
2013-09-30 09:52:06 AM
And that he wasn't faking it to make people like Hank feel pity on him.
 
2013-09-30 09:53:15 AM
Walt's last scene alive, stroking the apparatus fondly, a homage to chemistry which along with his family was the love of his life - his last goodbye.
So powerful.
Plus I said this in the main thread but want to say it one more time, I defy anyone who has been divorced or lost a significant other not to feel overwhelmed at the scene where he one by one sees his family for the last time.
So powerful.
The show might or might not have set a new bar, that's a matter of opinion, but those two scenes will stay with me like the final minutes of the last episode of Six Feet Under.
I'll take a break from televized drama now, always sensible at times like this as nothing else will come close for a while.
 
2013-09-30 09:56:21 AM

DamnYankees: I also do wish we had a little more emotional resolution for Jesse. All that happens is that he's set free, but he still has absolutely nothing in his life, Andrea is still dead, and he's emotionally tortured. Jesse didn't get a denoument - he'll probably die of drug overdose within a few months.


That's the point. It's a metaphor for Jesse's character arc - you said it yourself, he was set free.
 
2013-09-30 09:58:37 AM
Shostie: I'd say the true finale came with the last two episodes.

This was just mopping up and turning off the lights.


I 100% agree with this.  Some of the best TV shows have ended this way.  While not even remotely in the same genre, Babylon 5 was one of my favorite story-arc based TV shows, and it's "Finale" was really the last 3-4 episodes, with the actual last episode being more of a "epilogue" than an end-all-be-all finale.

Breaking Bad was the same way for me.  The finale was really the last 3 episodes, with last night's being the epilogue after the story was over.

Really well executed and done all the way around IMO
 
2013-09-30 10:02:49 AM

Three Crooked Squirrels: Yeah, Walt got Lydia with the vial of ricin.  But the conclusion left wide open who would fall to the ricin cigarette.  And I still have no idea how Leaves of Grass got in Hank's bathroom.  And is Gale alive?  It sure looked like Jesse pointed the gun away at the last moment.  So many unanswered questions . . .


You know, you had me going there for a minute.
 
2013-09-30 10:05:52 AM

cameroncrazy1984: It's precisely this type of overhyped, breathless article that made me never watch the show to begin with.


You are certainly better off not knowing this show. You might have liked it. And that would have just totally ruined it for you.
 
2013-09-30 10:12:28 AM
I've never seen this show but plan to watch it on netflix at some point. Up until recently I didn't know it was on regular TV. I thought it was an HBO show and I don't have HBO otherwise I probably would have checked it out sooner. Didn't want to jump in in the middle though so I'll watch start to finish on NF.
 
2013-09-30 10:14:05 AM
I love that people were complaining that Walt had no idea what he was doing with the large machine gun.  The first scene with the gun?  That's right, MANUAL biatch!  Walt is a man of science, he reads the goddamn manual.  BOOM!
 
2013-09-30 10:21:53 AM

DamnYankees: I also do wish we had a little more emotional resolution for Jesse. All that happens is that he's set free, but he still has absolutely nothing in his life, Andrea is still dead, and he's emotionally tortured. Jesse didn't get a denoument - he'll probably die of drug overdose within a few months.


I have to agree.  He drove off, laughing maniacally.  He has nothing.  He saw two women he loved die, he's been beaten, betrayed, disowned by his family.

But in another way, it works.  Not having the closure isn't satisfying, but it is unsettling.  If that's what the writers wanted, it works.
 
2013-09-30 10:24:26 AM

Mad_Radhu: HotIgneous Intruder: If you look at the form of classic dramatic structure, you see that the plot develops and rises to a peak of action, then there is falling action leading to the denouement, or resolution.

The plot climax of the series was the "To'hajiilee" shootout.
The last two episodes were just to clean up the loose ends, to resolve the drama.

Very classic narrative form.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dramatic_structure

That's where a lot of shows fail. They leave the climax right to the very end, not leaving any time for the story to wind down naturally.


If you watch Game of Thrones they follow that method each season with the climax at episode 9 with 10 being a slower wrap up episode tying up ends and setting up next season.
 
2013-09-30 10:24:28 AM

Detinwolf: DamnYankees: I also do wish we had a little more emotional resolution for Jesse. All that happens is that he's set free, but he still has absolutely nothing in his life, Andrea is still dead, and he's emotionally tortured. Jesse didn't get a denoument - he'll probably die of drug overdose within a few months.

I have to agree.  He drove off, laughing maniacally.  He has nothing.  He saw two women he loved die, he's been beaten, betrayed, disowned by his family.

But in another way, it works.  Not having the closure isn't satisfying, but it is unsettling.  If that's what the writers wanted, it works.


Sets it up perfectly for a spin off. 10 years latter Jessie is working at a high school as a shop teacher and sees one of his students starting go get into meth and drug dealing. He has no choice but to try and help him get out of that world but keeps being sucked back into it.
 
2013-09-30 10:24:56 AM

TeamEd: Brilliant show, bad ending.
Walt was a more interesting and complex character when he was exiled to New Hampshire dying of cancer alone, hated and unable to give his family his money. And then, the last episode. Everything that happens after he leaves New Hampshire breaks his way. The last episode is him succeeding in setting his family up with money, avenging his honour, and dying on his own terms, satisfied.
In one episode he turned from the man who was finally suffering the consequences of continually over-estimating his own genius back into the guy who's simply smarter and luckier than everyone.
/ He had no plans to survive the showdown with the Nazis (remember when he was so fascinated by the ending of Scarface?). He was always going to die. It's weird he gets to die satisfied, not feeling an ounce of the suffering Jesse has.


So in other words, you desperately wanted to believe that Walter White was a horrible human being, and this ending ruined it for you.

Jesse deserves all of his suffering. All of it. Jesse was the one that caused Hank's death, and Gomie's, and Andrea's. If Jesse had just gotten in the van and gone on and lived his life with a big bag of money, then those three would still be alive, and Hank would have died from cancer anyway. Fark Jesse.
 
2013-09-30 10:25:49 AM

karmaceutical: I love that people were complaining that Walt had no idea what he was doing with the large machine gun.  The first scene with the gun?  That's right, MANUAL biatch!  Walt is a man of science, he reads the goddamn manual.  BOOM!


But NOBODY rtfm. NOBODY.
 
2013-09-30 10:27:00 AM

Beer cap: I still want to know what Walt planned on doing if he had survived the M-60 carnage.


I think he was ready to accept whatever fate would fall to him. If he survived I think he would have been fine to have been arrested. He had effectively "Balanced his books".
 
2013-09-30 10:29:22 AM

cameroncrazy1984: It's precisely this type of overhyped, breathless article that made me never watch the show to begin with.


 Deprive yourself of a simple pleasure. That'll show those over-enthusiastic reviewers!

They'll RUE THE DAY!
 
2013-09-30 10:29:50 AM

cameroncrazy1984: It's precisely this type of overhyped, breathless article that made me never watch the show to begin with.


Lmao you come in every single Breaking Bad thread just to shiat on it. You are so much cooler than the rest of us. What a putz.
 
2013-09-30 10:29:57 AM

YoOjo: Walt's last scene alive, stroking the apparatus fondly, a homage to chemistry which along with his family was the love of his life - his last goodbye.
So powerful.
Plus I said this in the main thread but want to say it one more time, I defy anyone who has been divorced or lost a significant other not to feel overwhelmed at the scene where he one by one sees his family for the last time.
So powerful.
The show might or might not have set a new bar, that's a matter of opinion, but those two scenes will stay with me like the final minutes of the last episode of Six Feet Under.
I'll take a break from televized drama now, always sensible at times like this as nothing else will come close for a while.


I was thinking about that final scene this morning. Walt stroking the stainless steel container, then collapsing and leaving his bloody prints on the container. Walt died in a meth lab, with his fingerprints on the equipment. Many people are going to believe that that meth lab was Walt's, and he was cooking from there. They'll believe that he was the one making the great meth at the end. His legacy is intact.
 
2013-09-30 10:35:31 AM

DamnYankees: My only issue - the Stevia thing didn't make sense. How and when did he put ricin inside the Stevia packet? How did he know she'd sit at that table; just last week she'd sat at a different one. Why did he need to tell her what he did - now that she knows, can't she get treatment? Sloppy.

Otherwise - absolutely great.


Walter knew she was a creature of ritual and habit. Same time and place, same drink with same sweetener. So...

1) He makes a poison stevia packet at home. It would be easy to open a tiny hole then glue it closed.

2) He gets there before her and figures out which table she is likely to sit at. (not many open tables and she likes to be near the window).Then puts it on "her table" and removes all others so she is sure to get the poison one.   (If someone else sat there first he could just walk up and and take the packet with a quiet "excuse me")

3) He told her, because she is a biatch and he wanted her to know who won (him!) and wanted her to suffer .

4) No, there is no antidote for Ricin. If you swallow a lethal dose you almost certainly going to end up dead even in a hospital.

5) I agree. A great ending for a great show.
 
2013-09-30 10:35:52 AM

Lando Lincoln: TeamEd: Brilliant show, bad ending.
Walt was a more interesting and complex character when he was exiled to New Hampshire dying of cancer alone, hated and unable to give his family his money. And then, the last episode. Everything that happens after he leaves New Hampshire breaks his way. The last episode is him succeeding in setting his family up with money, avenging his honour, and dying on his own terms, satisfied.
In one episode he turned from the man who was finally suffering the consequences of continually over-estimating his own genius back into the guy who's simply smarter and luckier than everyone.
/ He had no plans to survive the showdown with the Nazis (remember when he was so fascinated by the ending of Scarface?). He was always going to die. It's weird he gets to die satisfied, not feeling an ounce of the suffering Jesse has.

So in other words, you desperately wanted to believe that Walter White was a horrible human being, and this ending ruined it for you.

Jesse deserves all of his suffering. All of it. Jesse was the one that caused Hank's death, and Gomie's, and Andrea's. If Jesse had just gotten in the van and gone on and lived his life with a big bag of money, then those three would still be alive, and Hank would have died from cancer anyway. Fark Jesse.


No. I wanted a story I liked a lot to have a better ending. That's it.
 
2013-09-30 10:39:26 AM

DamnYankees: I also do wish we had a little more emotional resolution for Jesse. All that happens is that he's set free, but he still has absolutely nothing in his life, Andrea is still dead, and he's emotionally tortured. Jesse didn't get a denoument - he'll probably die of drug overdose within a few months.


I took it differently.

He had been through hell. And that is what he wanted. He wanted to be punished and forgiven. He got both.

He was punished for his past crimes. He was forgiven by Walt. His bad history ended very definitively with the drug lab, nazis, and Walt all gone. Jessie can do whatever he wants now. The world is his oyster.

We just have to hope he chooses wisely.
 
2013-09-30 10:42:01 AM
Jessie needs to make a cameo appearance on The Walking Dead.
 
2013-09-30 10:42:28 AM
Terrible review. Not sure if that guy watched the same series.

There is no evidence Walt was "pushed out" of Grey Matter. Clearly he had some issues with them, but he did go to Elliott's birthday party.

Walt being shot by his own gun is not some amazing form of poetic justice. By that point, I am sure Walter didn't care so long as the Nazis died.
 
2013-09-30 10:42:56 AM

Lando Lincoln: TeamEd: Brilliant show, bad ending.
Walt was a more interesting and complex character when he was exiled to New Hampshire dying of cancer alone, hated and unable to give his family his money. And then, the last episode. Everything that happens after he leaves New Hampshire breaks his way. The last episode is him succeeding in setting his family up with money, avenging his honour, and dying on his own terms, satisfied.
In one episode he turned from the man who was finally suffering the consequences of continually over-estimating his own genius back into the guy who's simply smarter and luckier than everyone.
/ He had no plans to survive the showdown with the Nazis (remember when he was so fascinated by the ending of Scarface?). He was always going to die. It's weird he gets to die satisfied, not feeling an ounce of the suffering Jesse has.

So in other words, you desperately wanted to believe that Walter White was a horrible human being, and this ending ruined it for you.

Jesse deserves all of his suffering. All of it. Jesse was the one that caused Hank's death, and Gomie's, and Andrea's. If Jesse had just gotten in the van and gone on and lived his life with a big bag of money, then those three would still be alive, and Hank would have died from cancer anyway. Fark Jesse.


Walt was a horrible human being.  But that doesn't necessarily mean it was a bad ending.  Walt lost everything but his pride, which can be seen as a win since that was what was most valuable to him.  In that I think it was a mixed ending.

As for Jesse, everything you say could be attributed to Walt as well.  If Walt had been willing to walk away before Gus, or continue letting Jesse cook alone while collecting half of the money, or been willing to walk away after killing Gus, all those people would be alive.  Walt is as culpable as Jesse is, even ignoring the fact that it was actually the Nazis who killed Hank, Gomez, and Andrea.
 
2013-09-30 10:43:39 AM
I love all the whiners - the show ended beautifully. For two weeks I've been saying if Walt saves Jesse in the end I will be furious...and then they STILL figure out a way for Walt to do it and somehow satisfy me. I love how he showed up there w/ just the intention to kill all the nazi's - it's not like he specifically went there to save Jesse that's just what ended up happening. I also like how he gave Jesse the chance to shoot and kill him if he would so choose to.
 
2013-09-30 10:46:22 AM

chewielouie: Jessie needs to make a cameo appearance on The Walking Dead.


Or on SNL
 
2013-09-30 10:46:22 AM

abhorrent1: I've never seen this show but plan to watch it on netflix at some point. Up until recently I didn't know it was on regular TV. I thought it was an HBO show and I don't have HBO otherwise I probably would have checked it out sooner. Didn't want to jump in in the middle though so I'll watch start to finish on NF.


Be very careful. My husband and I started (Netflix) and hammered down four seasons in just over a week. Highly addictive show.

I've not gotten to the fifth season yet. But, after reading some of the reactions in the earlier thread, I'll be diving into that tonight.
 
Bf+
2013-09-30 10:58:32 AM

Champion of the Sun: It wasn't bad or anything, but I was totally underwhelmed. Everything happened exactly how I thought it would going into the finale. For a show that has always kept me guessing, was kinda disappointed.


I'm conflicted.  I agree, it was awfully predictable.  Too clean, i thought.  On the other hand, it was a finale, so it probably shouldn't have left any ambiguity or messy loose ends.
Still, it just seemed like it was a gift to all the fans, almost like they had a "you decide the ending" vote.  Yay Jessie lives and is happy, yay that biatch Lydia died, yay Walt's family lived, yay it's Badger and Skinny Pete again!
I guess I'm OK with this, given how brutal the previous two episodes were.
 
2013-09-30 11:01:06 AM
Stevia(tm) - Tastes just like ricin without killing you
 
2013-09-30 11:04:22 AM
Loved the ending. I can understand how people might be underwhelmed but to claim it was outright horrible just doesn't compute.

Any idea when 5b will be on Netflix in the U.S.? I know in the U.K. they were all made available the day after they aired on AMC.
 
2013-09-30 11:08:43 AM
I havent watched a TV show in its entirety in 10 years. I hate cable TV. I stream everything. Hollywood sucks ass for the most part.  I started in on breaking bad from episode 1 by the time season 3 was out.

This was in my opinion the best TV show I have ever seen. From the subtle hints., to the color scheme, the soundtrack and the writing. I thought Breaking Bad was phenomenal.  Maybe the show will jump start Hollywood into better writing. Maybe we can get more shows that will finally start to break away from reality TV.
 
2013-09-30 11:09:11 AM

phenn: abhorrent1: I've never seen this show but plan to watch it on netflix at some point. Up until recently I didn't know it was on regular TV. I thought it was an HBO show and I don't have HBO otherwise I probably would have checked it out sooner. Didn't want to jump in in the middle though so I'll watch start to finish on NF.

Be very careful. My husband and I started (Netflix) and hammered down four seasons in just over a week. Highly addictive show.


being careful because it is addicting is good. i would also be careful because the way they were hawking MERCH on last night's episode ( like the complete season in a cute barrel thingy and aaron paul's new movie: yo, im 2 fast 2 furious biatch!) makes me think that now that they have convinced as many people as possible to watch the last season, they may remove it as a free to view program. i am not sure if and when this will happen, i just have a hunch.
 
2013-09-30 11:09:14 AM

DamnYankees: How and when did he put ricin inside the Stevia packet? How did he know she'd sit at that table; just last week she'd sat at a different one. Why did he need to tell her what he did - now that she knows, can't she get treatment? Sloppy.


He didn't know she'd sit there, but he had good reasoning and good odds she would. He isn't omniscient, there was always a risk it would fail. How did he know he'd be able to park his car in the right place without the nazis hassling him? TV magic.

Also I don't think you can treat ricin, not unless you get your stomach pumped right afterwards. He had that whole vial and wiki says a few grains of salt is lethal. But same reason, he didn't "need to tell her" but he did. He'll be dead soon anyway, it isn't like she'll seek vengeance. And her hit men are all dead now anyway.
 
2013-09-30 11:11:11 AM

DamnYankees: Confabulat: The show has always assumed you can put together the pieces, you know. It would have been lame to actually show Walter poisoning the Stevia.

I actually thought it was sort of lame that they tipped it off as much as they did - the anvillicious shot of her putting in the Stevia, and him telling her on the phone. All we needed to see was her sick on the phone; no need to mention anything else.


Well I think he told her to let her know that he won and just to rub it in her face.
 
2013-09-30 11:12:18 AM

Benjamin Stone: Loved the ending. I can understand how people might be underwhelmed but to claim it was outright horrible just doesn't compute.

Any idea when 5b will be on Netflix in the U.S.? I know in the U.K. they were all made available the day after they aired on AMC.


The DVD set comes out the week of Thanksgiving, so I wouldn't expect it before then.  It probably won't take 9 months again, though.
 
2013-09-30 11:12:39 AM
cameroncrazy1984: It's precisely this type of overhyped, breathless article that made me never watch the show to begin with.

OMG, you are so edgy man!!!! So much a farking rebel.  Come into a thread about a show and rebel. Eff you, its people like you I hate. You knock something without even giving it an open mind and an honest try, but you will criticize the show and the people that watch it without an educated opinion.

So Fark off you piece of shiat.
 
2013-09-30 11:19:08 AM

divgradcurl: phenn: abhorrent1: I've never seen this show but plan to watch it on netflix at some point. Up until recently I didn't know it was on regular TV. I thought it was an HBO show and I don't have HBO otherwise I probably would have checked it out sooner. Didn't want to jump in in the middle though so I'll watch start to finish on NF.

Be very careful. My husband and I started (Netflix) and hammered down four seasons in just over a week. Highly addictive show.

being careful because it is addicting is good. i would also be careful because the way they were hawking MERCH on last night's episode ( like the complete season in a cute barrel thingy and aaron paul's new movie: yo, im 2 fast 2 furious biatch!) makes me think that now that they have convinced as many people as possible to watch the last season, they may remove it as a free to view program. i am not sure if and when this will happen, i just have a hunch.


I can't imagine anything in the universe addicting enough to make me want to watch a single second of any 2 fast 2 furious movie. And while I do want to see Breaking Bad. I don't want too bad enough to pay extra for it. So I'll see. If it's still there for free when I get around to it, good. If not, that's fine too.
 
2013-09-30 11:23:05 AM

Benjamin Stone: Loved the ending. I can understand how people might be underwhelmed but to claim it was outright horrible just doesn't compute.

Any idea when 5b will be on Netflix in the U.S.? I know in the U.K. they were all made available the day after they aired on AMC.


Use SafeIP and connect through a UK server. Might be up there.
 
2013-09-30 11:24:14 AM

cameroncrazy1984: It's precisely this type of overhyped, breathless article that made me never watch the show to begin with.


I completely agree. I, too, prefer to watch television that has been roundly panned by everyone. I have a bootleg copy of the entire 7-episode run of "Emily's Reason's Why Not" that was smuggled out of Slovenia at great cost.
 
2013-09-30 11:27:27 AM

Electromax: Also I don't think you can treat ricin, not unless you get your stomach pumped right afterwards. He had that whole vial and wiki says a few grains of salt is lethal. But same reason, he didn't "need to tell her" but he did. He'll be dead soon anyway, it isn't like she'll seek vengeance. And her hit men are all dead now anyway.


He told her to prove he was the best, and yes after a certain dosage of ricin there is no treatment. Just make the patient comfortable until organ failure sets in and then eventual death.
 
2013-09-30 11:28:23 AM
I enjoyed the ending.  I'd like to think that the Nazis had Jesse bury those barrels somewhere in the desert for them (or he at least knows where they're hidden - somewhere away from the white power camp), and now Jesse is the only one who knows where they are.  I'd also like to think he grabbed the confession DVD before speeding off into the moonlight.

Only thing that really stuck out to me is that Walt is hanging out in a coffee shop and no one notices him.  Hasn't his face, and presumably sketches of him with and without hair, beard, etc., been plastered on the local news for a few months?
 
2013-09-30 11:29:05 AM

phenn: Benjamin Stone: Loved the ending. I can understand how people might be underwhelmed but to claim it was outright horrible just doesn't compute.

Any idea when 5b will be on Netflix in the U.S.? I know in the U.K. they were all made available the day after they aired on AMC.

Use SafeIP and connect through a UK server. Might be up there.


And, indeed, it is complete. Woohoooooo! I know what I'll be doing this evening.

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2013-09-30 11:37:53 AM

LesserEvil: Beer cap: I still want to know what Walt planned on doing if he had survived the M-60 carnage.

He didn't plan on surviving. That seems pretty obvious,

Jumping on Jesse (on the pretense of "fighting" him) was a last minute decision to save Jesse after seeing that he had been enslaved by the nazis.


That and I thought it was pretty obvious what his backup plan was when he gave Jesse the gun and asked him to shoot him....

I mean he had terminal cancer as well, so I guess that was the tertiary plan?

Three Crooked Squirrels: Yeah, Walt got Lydia with the vial of ricin.  But the conclusion left wide open who would fall to the ricin cigarette.  And I still have no idea how Leaves of Grass got in Hank's bathroom.  And is Gale alive?  It sure looked like Jesse pointed the gun away at the last moment.  So many unanswered questions . . .

Please tell me this is a trolling post?
 
2013-09-30 11:38:43 AM

rugman11: Walt was a horrible human being.  But that doesn't necessarily mean it was a bad ending.  Walt lost everything but his pride, which can be seen as a win since that was what was most valuable to him.  In that I think it was a mixed ending.

As for Jesse, everything you say could be attributed to Walt as well.  If Walt had been willing to walk away before Gus, or continue letting Jesse cook alone while collecting half of the money, or been willing to walk away after killing Gus, all those people would be alive.  Walt is as culpable as Jesse is, even ignoring the fact that it was actually the Nazis who killed Hank, Gomez, and Andrea.


I would argue that Walt was not a horrible human being. Walt making a drug that has caused so many problems in our society was bad, but Walt was providing a product - he wasn't putting a gun to anyone's head and forcing them to buy the product. The junkies that bought the product were more culpable than Walt was in their suffering. Walt truly did care for his family, and this was shown many, many times throughout the series. Walt cared way too much for Jesse, and his caring for him led to many problems at the end. Walt also temporarily poisoned Brock, and caused Brock's mom and Brock's grandma and Jesse a lot of emotional stress over that. But Walt carefully administered the dosage and Brock came out of the event with no complications. What other horrible things did Walt do? He ran over and shot two murderers. He watched a blackmailing junkie die. He strangled / asphyxiated two drug dealers that were planning on stabbing / shooting him. He ruined a room full of evidence with a giant magnet. He wrecked a medical supply room door with thermite and stole a barrel of chemicals. He stole a lot of chemistry equipment from his high school. He lied to a lot of people. He robbed a train of 1,000 gallons of methylamine and replaced it with water. He shot and killed a hitman. He arranged for the killing of a crooked lawyer and 10 other criminal underlings.

In the end, Walt got most of what he wanted. His children and wife will get plenty of money to live out their lives. Gretchen and Elliot will not be living as comfortably as they were. His enemies have been vanquished. The legend of Heisenberg will live on.

What didn't Walt get? Jesse is alive, but he's still wanted by the DEA. Walt wanted Jesse to walk away from this nightmare clean, with a stack of cash so he could go start fresh and not be a junkie anymore. Walt's family did not love him anymore, but perhaps Skyler will tell Walt Jr. and Marie that Walt didn't kill Hank and Gomie, but in fact, Walt went and killed the people that did kill them, so perhaps Walt Jr. and Marie will come to look upon Walt more favorably.

Walt couldn't have walked away before Gus. Well...he COULD have, but that would have saddled his family with financial hardship, and that wasn't acceptable to Walt. Once he got involved with Gus, eventually he had enough money, but Gus was gunning for him and told Walter that he was going to murder Walt's family, and it was obvious that Gus wasn't going to let Jesse live either, so the only way he was going to get out of his relationship with Gus was by eliminating Gus.

In order to eliminate Gus, Walt had to get Jesse back on Walt's side, and that involved a certain Lilly of the Valley plant, and we all know the chain of events that happened between Jesse and Walt due to that plant.
 
2013-09-30 11:39:14 AM
I think Walt intended to die with the Nazis in the gun fire. It was only after seeing Jesse was a slave that he decided to save Jesse before offing himself.

This whole episode was Walt, Heisenburg died on the phone with Jr. Walt accepted it was he who was doing htese things and for selfish reasons. Prior to that he ws always justifying his actions by his intentions and created Heisenburg as a coping mechanism.

I've always believed the axiom that we judge ourselves by our intentions while the world judges us on our actions. BrBa was a case study of this...
 
2013-09-30 11:45:17 AM

Tuco'sTacos: I think Walt intended to die with the Nazis in the gun fire. It was only after seeing Jesse was a slave that he decided to save Jesse before offing himself.

This whole episode was Walt, Heisenburg died on the phone with Jr. Walt accepted it was he who was doing htese things and for selfish reasons. Prior to that he ws always justifying his actions by his intentions and created Heisenburg as a coping mechanism.

I've always believed the axiom that we judge ourselves by our intentions while the world judges us on our actions. BrBa was a case study of this...


I figured Heisenberg was dead when we didn't seen the hat in the final episode.
 
2013-09-30 11:46:04 AM

SlothB77: Lots of loose ends remain for me:

What does Jessie do?  Badger/ Skinny Pete reunion?
What happens to Sky?  Does she get off?  Does she get to keep the car wash?
What does Saul do?  He is in nebraska, right?  Does he become a corn farmer?
Where is the money?  Who finds it?  Who gets to keep it?
Do the Schwartzes actually give Walt Jr the money?


Jesse gets picked up by the DEA. He's just not that smart. He goes to jail. He gets raped a lot.
Skyler...well...she might get absconded from the drug stuff, but I have a feeling that she's going to get nailed for the Benecke stuff. No, the car wash is gone. That much was obvious when Skyler had to get a job as a taxi dispatcher.
Saul is in Nebraska working as a car salesman.
The cops find the barrels of money. The DEA gets to keep it.
Yes, the Schwartzes absolutely give Walt Jr. the money. They are frightened little rabbits. They are counting down the days until they can give the money to Walt Jr. so they can once again walk out of their house.
 
2013-09-30 11:47:39 AM

Tuco'sTacos: I've always believed the axiom that we judge ourselves by our intentions while the world judges us on our actions. BrBa was a case study of this...


But which one is correct?
 
2013-09-30 12:00:03 PM

Lando Lincoln: rugman11: Walt was a horrible human being.  But that doesn't necessarily mean it was a bad ending.  Walt lost everything but his pride, which can be seen as a win since that was what was most valuable to him.  In that I think it was a mixed ending.

As for Jesse, everything you say could be attributed to Walt as well.  If Walt had been willing to walk away before Gus, or continue letting Jesse cook alone while collecting half of the money, or been willing to walk away after killing Gus, all those people would be alive.  Walt is as culpable as Jesse is, even ignoring the fact that it was actually the Nazis who killed Hank, Gomez, and Andrea.

I would argue that Walt was not a horrible human being. Walt making a drug that has caused so many problems in our society was bad, but Walt was providing a product - he wasn't putting a gun to anyone's head and forcing them to buy the product. The junkies that bought the product were more culpable than Walt was in their suffering. Walt truly did care for his family, and this was shown many, many times throughout the series. Walt cared way too much for Jesse, and his caring for him led to many problems at the end. Walt also temporarily poisoned Brock, and caused Brock's mom and Brock's grandma and Jesse a lot of emotional stress over that. But Walt carefully administered the dosage and Brock came out of the event with no complications. What other horrible things did Walt do? He ran over and shot two murderers. He watched a blackmailing junkie die. He strangled / asphyxiated two drug dealers that were planning on stabbing / shooting him. He ruined a room full of evidence with a giant magnet. He wrecked a medical supply room door with thermite and stole a barrel of chemicals. He stole a lot of chemistry equipment from his high school. He lied to a lot of people. He robbed a train of 1,000 gallons of methylamine and replaced it with water. He shot and killed a hitman. He arranged for the killing of a crooked lawyer
and 10 other criminal underlings.


Walt was a man who didn't care about consequences.  In the beginning he wasn't a terrible person, but as the show went along and as he got deeper into it, he became worse.  I notice that you left off the two actions that people most often point to when talking about Walt's moral center.  He allowed Jane to die for no reason other than that she was a threat to him.  And he arranged and ordered the murder of Gale Boetticher, another man whose only sin was being a potential threat to Walter White.  Not to his family, but to Walter.

And he poisoned a kid.  You can try to sweep that under the rug with "controlled dosages" but, again, Walt doesn't care about consequences.  If Brock had died he might have been sad, but the end result would have been the same: convincing Jesse to turn against Gus.

As for the bolded part, just because he cared for his family doesn't mean he did all this for them.  Hell, he said as much last night.  He didn't make meth to help his family, he did it because "[he] liked it.  [He] was good at it.  It made [him] feel alive."  That's what I've been trying to argue for the last month.  He didn't care what happened to his family or he would have gotten out when the Schwartzes offered to pay his medical bills or when the cancer went into remission.
 Walt couldn't have walked away before Gus. Well...he COULD have, but that would have saddled his family with financial hardship, and that wasn't acceptable to Walt. Once he got involved with Gus, eventually he had enough money, but Gus was gunning for him and told Walter that he was going to murder Walt's family, and it was obvious that Gus wasn't going to let Jesse live either, so the only way he was going to get out of his relationship with Gus was by eliminating Gus.


Walt did walk away.  At the beginning of season three, Walt was out of the game.  Hell, Jesse was cooking and Gus was paying Walt half of the cut just for his intellectual property.  He could have sat back and let the money come in.  But he couldn't stand the idea that Jesse was making a product that was as good (or nearly so) as his own.  He was in remission.  As I said, the Schwartzes had agreed to pay his medical bills.  He could have walked away free and clear, but his pride got in the way and everything that followed was the result of Walt not being willing to give up the thing that he liked and was good at.
 
2013-09-30 12:05:38 PM

RoyBatty: Walt being shot by his own gun is not some amazing form of poetic justice. By that point, I am sure Walter didn't care so long as the Nazis died.


You could look at this way.  Walter taking the bullet saved Jesse's life.  Walt probably had about a week left to live, when you lose that much weight that fast, it's pretty much game over.  I also believe you guys are  overanalyzing  the ricin packet.  He had his coughing fit and switched them out.  Walt isn;t one to leave that to chance and have a waiter clean it from the table before Lydia & Todd sat down.

Jesse will end up a nutjob.  No one can go through what he did (2 loves of his life dead, twice a drug slave, and being an addict) and not be Loco from it.  Marie's fate was kinda left in limbo, but she really was just a minor character anyway.  I think she had a white top on in the finale
 
2013-09-30 12:08:31 PM

Gunderson: RoyBatty: Walt being shot by his own gun is not some amazing form of poetic justice. By that point, I am sure Walter didn't care so long as the Nazis died.

You could look at this way.  Walter taking the bullet saved Jesse's life.  Walt probably had about a week left to live, when you lose that much weight that fast, it's pretty much game over.  I also believe you guys are  overanalyzing  the ricin packet.  He had his coughing fit and switched them out.  Walt isn;t one to leave that to chance and have a waiter clean it from the table before Lydia & Todd sat down.

Jesse will end up a nutjob.  No one can go through what he did (2 loves of his life dead, twice a drug slave, and being an addict) and not be Loco from it.  Marie's fate was kinda left in limbo, but she really was just a minor character anyway.  I think she had a white top on in the finale


What's the significance of the white top? She called Skylar from her own house, so it's not as if she was in a lockup or mental institution (if that's what you were implying).
 
2013-09-30 12:13:18 PM
I've seen comments in here saying it was the best series finale EVAR!
I've seen comments in here saying it was just another Breaking Bad episode - hard to beat the rest when you've raised the bar so high.
I've seen comments in here saying the series finale was really "To'hajiilee" and "Ozymandias", and these last two were just mopping up.

You're all correct; the series had an internal guide, integrity, and fulfilled itself to the end. Stephen King should take note: more than one story has ended with a surprising, disingenuous turn.
 
2013-09-30 12:13:24 PM

redmid17: What's the significance of the white top? She called Skylar from her own house, so it's not as if she was in a lockup or mental institution (if that's what you were implying).


If I was a gambling man, I would say that the white stands for purity, or in this case, a new beginning.  No Hank, No Walt, barely speaking to Skylar.  She has no one else with her, so she needs to start a new life with a clean slate
 
2013-09-30 12:14:24 PM

redmid17: What's the significance of the white top? She called Skylar from her own house, so it's not as if she was in a lockup or mental institution (if that's what you were implying).


Seems like she is almost always wearing nothing but purple. Perhaps that's what he meant.
 
2013-09-30 12:16:55 PM
I loved the finale and the show but, as unpopular as this is going to be, I don't think Lydia deserved the ending she got. As far as meth distributing villains who have no qualms about ordering the deaths of over a dozen people go, Lydia seemed exceedingly normal. The writers did a fantastic job portraying her as a business woman, who doesn't act out of bloodlust, rage, or ignorance of any other way of life. She never even appeared all that interested in her work.

I'm not going to suggest an alternate because I don't want to be one of those people who tries to out-Vince Gilligan Vince Gilligan, but if she had to go I think I would have preferred something more quick and definite like Gus. Something that says, "Hey, it's the business: you gotta pay some day." The ricin seems more appropriate for someone like Jack or Todd. In fact, I'd like to think Lydia wound up with some permanent but survivable organ damage only to be picked up by the police within a few days. But since it's obvious what was supposed to happen, I kinda feel bad for the little weasel.
 
2013-09-30 12:17:48 PM

SlothB77: Lots of loose ends remain for me:

What does Jessie do?  Badger/ Skinny Pete reunion?

He's free to do what he wants, finally in control of his own destiny. No Walt or Nazis pulling him back in. That's all that really matters as far as his story goes. Maybe he'll become a carpenter and make boxes.

What happens to Sky?  Does she get off?  Does she get to keep the car wash?
Walt's speech to her over the phone a couple episodes ago was him trying to get over how unwilling she was to be a part of any crimes committed. Walt also seemed to believe that Hank's location on the lottery ticket might be enough of a bargaining chip to help her make a deal.

What does Saul do?  He is in nebraska, right?  Does he become a corn farmer?
If he's lucky he'll end up managing a Cinnabon in Omaha.

Where is the money?  Who finds it?  Who gets to keep it?
Who really cares? If the Nazis left it at the compound then the DEA gets it. If they buried it somewhere else it'll probably stay there forever.

Do the Schwartzes actually give Walt Jr the money?
Why wouldn't they?
 
2013-09-30 12:25:12 PM

The Great EZE: I loved the finale and the show but, as unpopular as this is going to be, I don't think Lydia deserved the ending she got. As far as meth distributing villains who have no qualms about ordering the deaths of over a dozen people go, Lydia seemed exceedingly normal. The writers did a fantastic job portraying her as a business woman, who doesn't act out of bloodlust, rage, or ignorance of any other way of life. She never even appeared all that interested in her work.


She tried to order Todd to kill Skylar because she saw her once.

As Mike said: And now you're being sexist. Trust me, this woman deserves to die as much as any man I've ever met."
 
2013-09-30 12:27:02 PM
Sorry it wasn't that great of a finale. Taken with the last couple episodes it sort of becomes a great last season, but just on its own this one episode was slow paced, and amounted to him hopping from place to place to tie everything up in unrealistically neat bow.

Tohalijee or whatever was a much better episode. So was Ozymandias.
 
2013-09-30 12:29:40 PM

js34603: Sorry it wasn't that great of a finale. Taken with the last couple episodes it sort of becomes a great last season, but just on its own this one episode was slow paced, and amounted to him hopping from place to place to tie everything up in unrealistically neat bow.

Tohalijee or whatever was a much better episode. So was Ozymandias.


Considering that was the climax of the series that isn't surprising. The last two episodes were aftermaths and resolutions.
 
2013-09-30 12:30:00 PM
I think it's truly indicative of the powerful, destructive nature of Heisenberg/WW.  Even the audience is left reeling from his departure from the show and leaving us with nothing but broken pieces of his selfish wrath.  I've never been so emotionally affected by a television show than I have by Breaking Bad.
 
2013-09-30 12:30:10 PM

The Great EZE: I loved the finale and the show but, as unpopular as this is going to be

, I don't think Lydia deserved the ending she got. As far as meth distributing villains who have no qualms about ordering the deaths of over a dozen people go, Lydia seemed exceedingly normal. The writers did a fantastic job portraying her as a business woman, who doesn't act out of bloodlust, rage, or ignorance of any other way of life. She never even appeared all that interested in her work.

I'm not going to suggest an alternate because I don't want to be one of those people who tries to out-Vince Gilligan Vince Gilligan, but if she had to go I think I would have preferred something more quick and definite like Gus. Something that says, "Hey, it's the business: you gotta pay some day." The ricin seems more appropriate for someone like Jack or Todd. In fact, I'd like to think Lydia wound up with some permanent but survivable organ damage only to be picked up by the police within a few days. But since it's obvious what was supposed to happen, I kinda feel bad for the little weasel.



I do, she threatened to kill his family. Just because the scene with Skyler came after the scene where she drank the Ricin tea doesnt mean those events happened in that order. The writers leave lots to speculation.

I called Lydia getting the Ricin tea like 4 weeks ago. I knew she would get it and everyone on here kept telling me no way, its going in a cook or he will take it himself. In an earlier season they focused on Lydia's love of Stevia and Tea. Walt knew she was a calculated creature of habit. He knew how to give it to her...........and boy did he give it to her.

Ricin Tea biatch, now you leave your daughter alone.


Damn, that show turned me into a sick bastard lol :)
 
2013-09-30 12:31:12 PM

rugman11: Walt was a man who didn't care about consequences.  In the beginning he wasn't a terrible person, but as the show went along and as he got deeper into it, he became worse.  I notice that you left off the two actions that people most often point to when talking about Walt's moral center.  He allowed Jane to die for no reason other than that she was a threat to him.  And he arranged and ordered the murder of Gale Boetticher, another man whose only sin was being a potential threat to Walter White.  Not to his family, but to Walter.


No, I did mention that he watched a junkie blackmailer die. Jane was a threat to Jesse and herself. Jesse was on a fast track to OD-ville with Jane. By letting Jane die, he derailed that train.

Gale died in order for Walt and Jesse to live. Gale wasn't a threat to Walter - Gus was. But if Gus didn't have Gale, then he needed to keep Walter and Jesse alive.

As for the bolded part, just because he cared for his family doesn't mean he did all this for them. Hell, he said as much last night. He didn't make meth to help his family, he did it because "[he] liked it. [He] was good at it. It made [him] feel alive." That's what I've been trying to argue for the last month. He didn't care what happened to his family or he would have gotten out when the Schwartzes offered to pay his medical bills or when the cancer went into remission.

No, he didn't do it ALL for them. In the beginning, he did it mostly for them, partly for him. In the end, it was mostly for him, partly for them. He most definitely did care what happened to his family, but he wasn't willing to compromise his distaste for charity in order to provide for his family. He felt that he was able to provide for them without outside help, and he most certainly did that.
 
2013-09-30 12:31:28 PM
The real finale was Ozymandias, the rest was just clean up
 
2013-09-30 12:32:32 PM

Carth: The Great EZE: I loved the finale and the show but, as unpopular as this is going to be, I don't think Lydia deserved the ending she got. As far as meth distributing villains who have no qualms about ordering the deaths of over a dozen people go, Lydia seemed exceedingly normal. The writers did a fantastic job portraying her as a business woman, who doesn't act out of bloodlust, rage, or ignorance of any other way of life. She never even appeared all that interested in her work.

She tried to order Todd to kill Skylar because she saw her once.

As Mike said: And now you're being sexist. Trust me, this woman deserves to die as much as any man I've ever met."


I think it was because she's the most relatable villain of the series. Every decision she made was what I and I would guess most average schmoes and schmoettes would have made in her position. What, would you just cross your fingers and hope the wife of the most wanted man in New Mexico doesn't put you in if the police start asking questions?

I agree, she deservers to die, but she got a main-boss-pays-for-decades-of-brutality end while I support a mid-level-cog-gets-comeuppance one.
 
2013-09-30 12:40:26 PM

Three Crooked Squirrels: But the conclusion left wide open who would fall to the ricin cigarette.


There was no ricin cigarette, per se.
That was a temporary storage place.
Beyond that, it was a motivational Mcguffin for Jesse.
It catalyzed Jesse's meltdown and subsequent events.
 
2013-09-30 12:42:42 PM
Lydia is dead for sure.  There is no antidote for ricin poisoning in the amount that Walt gave her.
 
2013-09-30 12:47:32 PM
I don't understand why we have to wait until next season to find out who's playing the new Walter. I know reincarnation is supposed to be a biatch and all, but I think it helps continuity to have the old Walter die and see the new Walter in the same episode.

Anyway, I think Ted Levine would be a solid choice. Could go edgy and make him black, but we are DEFINITELY not ready for a female Walter.
 
2013-09-30 12:48:57 PM

The Great EZE: I loved the finale and the show but, as unpopular as this is going to be, I don't think Lydia deserved the ending she got. As far as meth distributing villains who have no qualms about ordering the deaths of over a dozen people go, Lydia seemed exceedingly normal. The writers did a fantastic job portraying her as a business woman, who doesn't act out of bloodlust, rage, or ignorance of any other way of life. She never even appeared all that interested in her work.

I'm not going to suggest an alternate because I don't want to be one of those people who tries to out-Vince Gilligan Vince Gilligan, but if she had to go I think I would have preferred something more quick and definite like Gus. Something that says, "Hey, it's the business: you gotta pay some day." The ricin seems more appropriate for someone like Jack or Todd. In fact, I'd like to think Lydia wound up with some permanent but survivable organ damage only to be picked up by the police within a few days. But since it's obvious what was supposed to happen, I kinda feel bad for the little weasel.


Lydia wanted to rub out all of Gus' old crew in order to distance herself from Gus. When Mike didn't want to go along with that, Lydia ordered the hit on Mike AND the rest of the crew.

Lydia wanted Skyler rubbed out because Skyler saw her at the car wash.

Lydia wanted Walter rubbed out by Todd.

Lydia got what was coming to her.
 
2013-09-30 12:54:00 PM
What did Lydia say on the phone when she thought she was talking to Todd but Walt had the phone? Her and todd were up to...?
 
2013-09-30 12:55:38 PM

stoli n coke: It was a good, satisfying ending to the show, but "best ever" is a bit of a stretch. It'll need a few months for the newness to wear off to see how it shapes up in comparisons to great shows past.

Right now, I still think The Shield had the best finale of the last 10 years.


Maybe the last 25.  It was beyond epic.

My problem with this finale is that they didn't take any risks.  We all knew Walt was going to die somehow. But he died on his own terms, and his family presumably gets the $9 million.  The "bad guys" from his point of view are all dead, and everyone else (except Hank) walk away, albeit scarred.

Walt won.  Which I didn't find very satisfying, considering everything he's done.  I wanted to see the type of ruination that I had been expecting based on the way The Shield ended up.

I'm not saying the finale was bad, but it wasn't as good as the third-to-last and fourth-to-last episodes.  They were the climax, this was the denouement.
 
2013-09-30 12:55:59 PM

dryknife: What did Lydia say on the phone when she thought she was talking to Todd but Walt had the phone? Her and todd were up to...?


She was asking if Walt was dead at his (or the Nazis) hands. Remember her line:

"We're not going to do business with him."
*Blank stare from Todd*
"Do I have to spell it out for you?"
 
2013-09-30 12:58:06 PM
I wonder how long ago Vince Gilligan decided to use Baby Blue by Badfinger?  For me, the song worked incredibly well for the ending.  If you had asked someone to write a song for that moment I don't think amyone could have come up with such a perfect fit
 
2013-09-30 01:03:11 PM
I liked the ending. There were a few places where things that happened were kind of a stretch, but overall it was good. My thing is I felt Jesse really should have killed Walt, even if Jesse showed during the whole series that he could kill but did not enjoy it. It was Walt's fault that the Nazis had Jesse in the first place. Had Walt just let Jesse stay hidden under the car, not only would Jesse have escaped, but no way Uncle Jack and Lydia would be distributing blue meth again.

I liked the last scene of Walt dead in the lab. At least it didn't cut to a black screen or show him back in NH as a lumberjack.
 
2013-09-30 01:04:08 PM

The Great EZE: I loved the finale and the show but, as unpopular as this is going to be, I don't think Lydia deserved the ending she got.


Maybe I'm just an idiot, but I don't get...

* Why Walt decided Lydia had to die.  Merely distributing their meth didn't mean she was in on all of the neo-Nazis' nastiness.  Granted, she was complicit in a lot of their shenanigans, but how did Walt have any way of knowing that with certainty?

* Why Jack decided that he should prove to a guy he's about to kill that he's not a liar.  That seemed like the most contrived part of the episode to me.  Are we to believe he has some sort of sense of honor?  If that's the case, why did he decide to kill Walt after declaring they were "square" in the third-to-last episode?  He had no reason to want Walt dead, other than suspicion that Walt wanted him dead.
 
2013-09-30 01:06:06 PM

SlothB77: Lots of loose ends remain for me:

What does Jessie do?  Badger/ Skinny Pete reunion?
What happens to Sky?  Does she get off?  Does she get to keep the car wash?
What does Saul do?  He is in nebraska, right?  Does he become a corn farmer?
Where is the money?  Who finds it?  Who gets to keep it?
Do the Schwartzes actually give Walt Jr the money?


How far down this rabbit hole do you want to go?

What happened to Carol's oranges, were they ruined when she dropped them on the ground?
What happens to Holly, do we need another season to show the after effects of Walt's actions on her years 2-12?
What about the waitress at the diner that the Nazi guys looked at creepily, what is she doing now?
What does Walt Jr. do with the money when he turns 18?
What about Huell, is he still sitting in that house?
Who now owns Los Pollos? Did it survive as a chicken franchise?

I mean, we could ask 8,000 more questions about every nuance, but in the end they told Walt's story, and in my opinion they wrapped it all up very well.
 
2013-09-30 01:07:04 PM

redmid17: dryknife: What did Lydia say on the phone when she thought she was talking to Todd but Walt had the phone? Her and todd were up to...?

She was asking if Walt was dead at his (or the Nazis) hands. Remember her line:

"We're not going to do business with him."
*Blank stare from Todd*
"Do I have to spell it out for you?"


It sounded like she asked if "they" were gone or whatever and Walt responded with yes they are.
 
2013-09-30 01:10:33 PM

elchip: The Great EZE: I loved the finale and the show but, as unpopular as this is going to be, I don't think Lydia deserved the ending she got.

Maybe I'm just an idiot, but I don't get...

* Why Walt decided Lydia had to die.  Merely distributing their meth didn't mean she was in on all of the neo-Nazis' nastiness.  Granted, she was complicit in a lot of their shenanigans, but how did Walt have any way of knowing that with certainty?

* Why Jack decided that he should prove to a guy he's about to kill that he's not a liar.  That seemed like the most contrived part of the episode to me.  Are we to believe he has some sort of sense of honor?  If that's the case, why did he decide to kill Walt after declaring they were "square" in the third-to-last episode?  He had no reason to want Walt dead, other than suspicion that Walt wanted him dead.


Just my opinion:

Walt killed Lydia for two reasons, 1 - She was a threat to his family since Walt knew his wife had seen her (although he doesn't necessarily know that they had already asked Todd to kill Skylar). 2 - Walt wanted to tear down his blue meth empire, and as long as she was out there she would try and perpetuate it.

As for Jack, I would say it was just ego. Remember, all Walt wanted was to buy time to get to his keys. He was likely intending to kill the Nazis and Jesse since he thought Jesse was working with them. It was only after he saw him enslaved that they decided to save him. Jack only wanted to kill Walt because he had come back and there was way too much heat from law enforcement to have Walt around.
 
2013-09-30 01:12:19 PM

elchip: Maybe I'm just an idiot, but I don't get...

* Why Walt decided Lydia had to die. Merely distributing their meth didn't mean she was in on all of the neo-Nazis' nastiness. Granted, she was complicit in a lot of their shenanigans, but how did Walt have any way of knowing that with certainty?

* Why Jack decided that he should prove to a guy he's about to kill that he's not a liar. That seemed like the most contrived part of the episode to me. Are we to believe he has some sort of sense of honor? If that's the case, why did he decide to kill Walt after declaring they were "square" in the third-to-last episode? He had no reason to want Walt dead, other than suspicion that Walt wanted him dead


Lydia was a threat to his family, she doesn't like loose ends and that includes Sky who saw her at the carwash

Jack has honor among thieves, this was even setup with his line to Walt "Hey man I gotta know we're square or this can go the other way?". Also keep in mind the context that he is a white supremacist and likely would give another white male the benefit of the doubt at times. There is also the respect Todd has for Walt and Jack's respect for that connection.
 
2013-09-30 01:13:53 PM

elchip: The Great EZE: I loved the finale and the show but, as unpopular as this is going to be, I don't think Lydia deserved the ending she got.

Maybe I'm just an idiot, but I don't get...

* Why Walt decided Lydia had to die.  Merely distributing their meth didn't mean she was in on all of the neo-Nazis' nastiness.  Granted, she was complicit in a lot of their shenanigans, but how did Walt have any way of knowing that with certainty?


I don't think Walt knew of the hit Lydia put on Skylar, so I think it was more his seeing Lydia as a threat to his legacy. If she lives then the greater meth distribution can live on while Walt's influence slowly fades away, if it manages to survive after him at all.

Also, the guy has gone slowly insane over the past two story-years. It could be a simple matter of him being pissed at everyone he ever worked with and wanting to kill them all. Hell, if Gale were still alive and Walt had enough ricin, Gale probably would've seen a similar fate.
 
2013-09-30 01:14:08 PM
It tied things up just a little too neatly.

Allowing Walt to get the money to his family - and using the Schwartzs, who by all accounts did nothing wrong besides not genuflect at Walt's genius - was a surprising move given Gilligan's "no bad deed goes unpunished" mantra throughout the show's run.
 
2013-09-30 01:15:30 PM
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Same table. Hush.
 
2013-09-30 01:15:41 PM

skinink: I liked the ending. There were a few places where things that happened were kind of a stretch, but overall it was good. My thing is I felt Jesse really should have killed Walt, even if Jesse showed during the whole series that he could kill but did not enjoy it.


Him not killing Walt was the final victory for Jesse. The entire series has been Walt convincing Jesse to do things Jesse didn't want to do, convincing Jesse that this is what he wanted despite always feeling super guilty afterwards. That's why Jesse says "I want to hear the words. Tell me this is what you want." And then he refuses. He's truly free from Walt at that point.
 
2013-09-30 01:19:11 PM

jj325: I wonder how long ago Vince Gilligan decided to use Baby Blue by Badfinger?  For me, the song worked incredibly well for the ending.  If you had asked someone to write a song for that moment I don't think amyone could have come up with such a perfect fit


That song choice is not getting the respect it deserves.  As you say, it's just 110% perfect in every way.  The sweet nostalgia, the lyrics themselves, the fact it was Walt's own era.  It's just brilliant and makes the episode ultimately soar.  No other song, or silence, would have done the same work.
 
2013-09-30 01:19:16 PM

rcantley: It tied things up just a little too neatly.

Allowing Walt to get the money to his family - and using the Schwartzs, who by all accounts did nothing wrong besides not genuflect at Walt's genius - was a surprising move given Gilligan's "no bad deed goes unpunished" mantra throughout the show's run.


They sinned, the denied Walt's involvement in Grey Matter to shore up stock prices even though he was critical in the company successes and instrumental in its creation. Essentially in the end, Walt reclaimed his son's birthright.

"Elliot, if this is going to go that way you're going to need a bigger knife"

God that line was brilliant
 
2013-09-30 01:22:16 PM

Hoboclown: skinink: I liked the ending. There were a few places where things that happened were kind of a stretch, but overall it was good. My thing is I felt Jesse really should have killed Walt, even if Jesse showed during the whole series that he could kill but did not enjoy it.

Him not killing Walt was the final victory for Jesse. The entire series has been Walt convincing Jesse to do things Jesse didn't want to do, convincing Jesse that this is what he wanted despite always feeling super guilty afterwards. That's why Jesse says "I want to hear the words. Tell me this is what you want." And then he refuses. He's truly free from Walt at that point.


Exactly. That was a brilliant ending, and a tremendous resolution of their conflict. I admit I had no idea how they would pull that off, and it was perfect.

All these people saying the ending sucked are probably the same ones who were suggesting Walt would go on a rampage murdering everyone at Gray Matter for some reason.

Guys: there's a reason Vince Gilligan was the show runner of what is widely considered the best TV show ever, and you do what you do, Just try and do the best job at what you do, and give credit where it is due here.
 
2013-09-30 01:24:33 PM

IdBeCrazyIf: They sinned, the denied Walt's involvement in Grey Matter to shore up stock prices even though he was critical in the company successes and instrumental in its creation. Essentially in the end, Walt reclaimed his son's birthright.


My question is, was he essential?  The show was ambiguous about it.  We only have Walt's point of view on the matter, and let's be honest, he ain't exactly unbiased.

For all we know, the company was a going-nowhere start-up at the point that he left.

Walt certainly thinks he's reclaiming his son's birthright.  I just don't particularly believe him.
 
2013-09-30 01:25:37 PM

elchip: * Why Jack decided that he should prove to a guy he's about to kill that he's not a liar.  That seemed like the most contrived part of the episode to me.


This aspect was actually very accurate to life. Among these knuckle-dragger gangs, aryans, bikers, cops, prison guards, tough guy culture in general demands -- demands -- respect and submission to superiors. Public dissing and humiliation or disrespect are dealt with harshly.
I think they got Jack's alpha pack-leader, "I will not be disrespected in front of my fellow mouth-breathers!" pretty much spot-on.

Walt knew this and played Jack with it.
 
2013-09-30 01:29:16 PM

rcantley: My question is, was he essential? The show was ambiguous about it. We only have Walt's point of view on the matter, and let's be honest, he ain't exactly unbiased.

For all we know, the company was a going-nowhere start-up at the point that he left.

Walt certainly thinks he's reclaiming his son's birthright. I just don't particularly believe him.


This is a great question and quit honestly we'll never know. I suspect in some regard you may be correct, that though while he was there at the beginning that his own pride colors his perspective and idea of what his contribution was. This was Walt's story after all, and he was hell bent on making things right to his own idea of what right was.
 
2013-09-30 01:31:51 PM

IdBeCrazyIf: rcantley: It tied things up just a little too neatly.

Allowing Walt to get the money to his family - and using the Schwartzs, who by all accounts did nothing wrong besides not genuflect at Walt's genius - was a surprising move given Gilligan's "no bad deed goes unpunished" mantra throughout the show's run.

They sinned, the denied Walt's involvement in Grey Matter to shore up stock prices even though he was critical in the company successes and instrumental in its creation. Essentially in the end, Walt reclaimed his son's birthright.

"Elliot, if this is going to go that way you're going to need a bigger knife"

God that line was brilliant


This.  I nearly choked at that point.
 
2013-09-30 01:32:51 PM

Hoboclown: skinink: I liked the ending. There were a few places where things that happened were kind of a stretch, but overall it was good. My thing is I felt Jesse really should have killed Walt, even if Jesse showed during the whole series that he could kill but did not enjoy it.

Him not killing Walt was the final victory for Jesse. The entire series has been Walt convincing Jesse to do things Jesse didn't want to do, convincing Jesse that this is what he wanted despite always feeling super guilty afterwards. That's why Jesse says "I want to hear the words. Tell me this is what you want." And then he refuses. He's truly free from Walt at that point.


I 100% agree with that assessment.
 
2013-09-30 01:34:11 PM

skinink: Pizza is the best, most delicious food ever created by man. So never try pizza because only my statement has overhyped how good pizza is.


If you like things that a bunch of other people like, you won't be special anymore and it will mean you're just another sheeple.
 
2013-09-30 01:34:28 PM

gilgigamesh: All these people saying the ending sucked are probably the same ones who were suggesting Walt would go on a rampage murdering everyone at Gray Matter for some reason.


who said that?
 
2013-09-30 01:34:42 PM

rcantley: IdBeCrazyIf: They sinned, the denied Walt's involvement in Grey Matter to shore up stock prices even though he was critical in the company successes and instrumental in its creation. Essentially in the end, Walt reclaimed his son's birthright.

My question is, was he essential?  The show was ambiguous about it.  We only have Walt's point of view on the matter, and let's be honest, he ain't exactly unbiased.

For all we know, the company was a going-nowhere start-up at the point that he left.

Walt certainly thinks he's reclaiming his son's birthright.  I just don't particularly believe him.


I could be wrong but I think he just saw Grey Matter as a backdoor way to get the money to his family.  I'm not sure he thought that they owed him anything, just that they were known to give to charities, etc.
 
2013-09-30 01:40:43 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: This aspect was actually very accurate to life. Among these knuckle-dragger gangs, aryans, bikers, cops, prison guards, tough guy culture in general demands -- demands -- respect and submission to superiors. Public dissing and humiliation or disrespect are dealt with harshly.
I think they got Jack's alpha pack-leader, "I will not be disrespected in front of my fellow mouth-breathers!" pretty much spot-on.

Walt knew this and played Jack with it.


Good point.  Although why did Jack still want to kill Walt despite declaring that they were "square" two episodes ago?
 
2013-09-30 01:42:50 PM

elchip: HotIgneous Intruder: This aspect was actually very accurate to life. Among these knuckle-dragger gangs, aryans, bikers, cops, prison guards, tough guy culture in general demands -- demands -- respect and submission to superiors. Public dissing and humiliation or disrespect are dealt with harshly.
I think they got Jack's alpha pack-leader, "I will not be disrespected in front of my fellow mouth-breathers!" pretty much spot-on.

Walt knew this and played Jack with it.

Good point.  Although why did Jack still want to kill Walt despite declaring that they were "square" two episodes ago?


The two episodes was 4 months. In that time they no longer had a need for Walt and he became a huge liability being the most wanted person in NM with an intimate knowledge of their organization and how it works.
 
2013-09-30 01:43:29 PM

Lando Lincoln: TeamEd: Brilliant show, bad ending.
Walt was a more interesting and complex character when he was exiled to New Hampshire dying of cancer alone, hated and unable to give his family his money. And then, the last episode. Everything that happens after he leaves New Hampshire breaks his way. The last episode is him succeeding in setting his family up with money, avenging his honour, and dying on his own terms, satisfied.
In one episode he turned from the man who was finally suffering the consequences of continually over-estimating his own genius back into the guy who's simply smarter and luckier than everyone.
/ He had no plans to survive the showdown with the Nazis (remember when he was so fascinated by the ending of Scarface?). He was always going to die. It's weird he gets to die satisfied, not feeling an ounce of the suffering Jesse has.

So in other words, you desperately wanted to believe that Walter White was a horrible human being, and this ending ruined it for you.

Jesse deserves all of his suffering. All of it. Jesse was the one that caused Hank's death, and Gomie's, and Andrea's. If Jesse had just gotten in the van and gone on and lived his life with a big bag of money, then those three would still be alive, and Hank would have died from cancer anyway. Fark Jesse.


There, there. Tell us where the bad Jessie touched you.
 
2013-09-30 01:46:23 PM

Benjamin Stone: Loved the ending. I can understand how people might be underwhelmed but to claim it was outright horrible just doesn't compute.

Any idea when 5b will be on Netflix in the U.S.? I know in the U.K. they were all made available the day after they aired on AMC.


Use Hola Unblocker, then you don't have to wait.
 
2013-09-30 01:59:26 PM

Lando Lincoln: and Hank would have died from cancer anyway. Fark Jesse.


Colon cancer or prostate cancer? I'm guessing the former, with all the time he spent on the toilet reading books.

I guess Gomie is the real tragedy, if Hank was going to die anyway. Probably caught the cancer drinking the water on that Mexican DEA operation.
 
2013-09-30 01:59:45 PM

cameroncrazy1984: It's precisely this type of overhyped, breathless article that made me never watch the show to begin with.


That's why I never want to try sex.

Too many people say it is awesome and I am too special to enjoy what other people like.

/Must be tedious purposely avoiding things other people really like
 
2013-09-30 02:02:55 PM

elchip: Good point.  Although why did Jack still want to kill Walt despite declaring that they were "square" two episodes ago?


I think there was a certain amount of good will floating in the air at that point since Walt had just provided Jack's crew with what, $60 million?

Later, Jack's gang had their own game going with Jesse cooking and Lydia selling, so Walt simply wasn't needed. Most importantly, Jack probably figured Walt would be wanting some of that cash back and that was a non-starter.
 
2013-09-30 02:06:03 PM

dryknife: redmid17: dryknife: What did Lydia say on the phone when she thought she was talking to Todd but Walt had the phone? Her and todd were up to...?

She was asking if Walt was dead at his (or the Nazis) hands. Remember her line:

"We're not going to do business with him."
*Blank stare from Todd*
"Do I have to spell it out for you?"

It sounded like she asked if "they" were gone or whatever and Walt responded with yes they are.


I assumed she meant Jessie since she knew he was still alive and wanted him dead. The whole conversation was predicated around Todd learning Walt's "new method." With that knowledge in hand, there was no reason to keep either of them alive.
 
2013-09-30 02:25:28 PM

phenn: SafeIP


Thanks!

(Now, any way to do this so that I can stream it through my PS3? : )
 
2013-09-30 02:26:44 PM

recoil47: While not even remotely in the same genre, Babylon 5 was one of my favorite story-arc based TV shows, and it's "Finale" was really the last 3-4 episodes, with the actual last episode being more of a "epilogue" than an end-all-be-all finale.


Not surprising (to me) that you'd make the comparison to Babylon 5.  When I started to see the transformation of Walt to Heisenberg, I told my wife it reminded me of Londo's transformation from buffoon to emperor, complete with the eventual fall.   With G'Kar playing the foil to Londo as Jesse played the foil to Walt, both joined at the hip until death.
 
2013-09-30 02:30:37 PM
My only quibble, and it's minor, as I think this was, overall the best show in TV's history, is that the finale used the fallacy of the talking killer with Jack.
 
2013-09-30 02:37:45 PM

John Buck 41: cameroncrazy1984: It's precisely this type of overhyped, breathless article that made me never watch the show to begin with.

Likewise.


I think Fark.com is the best website of all time.

Now leave.
 
2013-09-30 02:43:07 PM

thisisyourbrainonFark: My only quibble, and it's minor, as I think this was, overall the best show in TV's history, is that the finale used the fallacy of the talking killer with Jack.


It was a little more believable than usual, I think though. Walt used Jack's pride against him ("PARTNERS?!") in the same way Walt's pride caused his own downfall. Gus' pride and desire to gloat to Tio after the fake DEA visit caused his end too, and Tuco did a fair amount of shouting instead of shooting Jesse and Walt in S2. The show could've ended at the end of S3 if Mike just shot Walt instead of letting him phone Jesse and give the order to shoot Gale.

Maybe that doesn't excuse it, but it had precedent with the other "kingpins". Walt knew how to push Jack's buttons, and we saw last week how pissed Jack was when Jesse snitched on Todd in the video. He didn't just want to kill Walt, he wanted to kill Walt without Walt thinking he was a liar.

Reminded me of Marlo. "He used my name? In the street? My name is my name!"
 
2013-09-30 02:46:08 PM

thisisyourbrainonFark: My only quibble, and it's minor, as I think this was, overall the best show in TV's history, is that the finale used the fallacy of the talking killer with Jack.


Black is the color and beauty is the game,
The beasties come to get me, but I don't feel their pain.

The hotel sign is flickering, it beckons from above,
The master of my own domain, I sow my seeds of love.

Your eyes burn like daggers through the triumph of my will,
Your hands they smell like gasoline, they cause my love to spill.

Fallacies,
Fallacies,
All your lies won't set you free,
Fallacies,
Fallacies....

The windy wind is blowing and the bed springs creek their tune,
My cup is overflowing, shooting putty at the moon.

At the crystal palace where I try to make my stand,
My girls all call you Yokels, say you're gonna kill the band.

Work makes three they're telling me, I 've got no place to start,
Oh, how do I escape you little Fuhrer of my heart?

Fallacies,
Fallacies,
None for you and ten for me,
all your lies won't set you free,
From fallacies,
Fallacies...

Black is the color and beauty is the game,
The beasties come to get me, but I can't feel their pain.

I like my Funyuns salty, like my Jolly Ranchers grape,
Can't say I really dig the way my brain you tried to rape.

I hang out 'though I know I waste my everlasting soul
Cause I love your crabby panties and you pack a righteous bowl.

Fallacies, fallacies, fallacies, fallacies..
Fallacies, fallacies, fallacies, fallacies..

Wars and conflicts,
Fallacies
Clowns and convicts,
Fallacies
Planets dying,
Fallacies
Mulitplying,
Fallacies
Popes and bankers,
Spilling tankers,
Excuse my manners,
Here comes the hammer!!!

(spoken) "It's all one big fallacy yo."

i1.ytimg.com
 
2013-09-30 02:46:17 PM

Confabulat: DamnYankees: She sat at a different table LAST WEEK! Seriously - just last week when she met Todd, they both sat at tables next to the window. The table in tonight's episode was a different table, not next to the window. I literally watched both episodes today, so unless I'm hallucinating, you're wrong.

You may be right about that, I can't remember. If so, it wouldn't be the first mistake the writers have made (the Nazis referencing Bin Laden being killed when the show occurs around 2009 being another).


It wasn't a mistake. When she met Todd last week Todd arrived at the coffee shop first, so she sat at a table near him.

This time, she showed up first. Thus, being the creature of habit she is, she sat at the table she always sits at.

Not brain science or rocket surgery people. Sheesh.
 
2013-09-30 02:52:28 PM

SlothB77: It is still unclear to me if Walt dies in the lab or not.  he got shot once, in the side and was lying there.  But is he dead or just wounded?


Pretty sure he bled out

HighOnCraic: I liked the fact that he woke up in bed with his wife, Emily, and realized that the whole show was just a weird dream.


And their grandchild was sitting there starring into the snow globe?
 
2013-09-30 02:53:24 PM

Champion of the Sun: gilgigamesh: All these people saying the ending sucked are probably the same ones who were suggesting Walt would go on a rampage murdering everyone at Gray Matter for some reason.

who said that?


Well you did, for one:

Champion of the Sun: It wasn't bad or anything, but I was totally underwhelmed. Everything happened exactly how I thought it would going into the finale. For a show that has always kept me guessing, was kinda disappointed.


Also:

TeamEd: Brilliant show, bad ending.


RaceBoatDriver: The episode was a total sellout, gratuitous hollywood ending.


js34603: Sorry it wasn't that great of a finale. Taken with the last couple episodes it sort of becomes a great last season, but just on its own this one episode was slow paced, and amounted to him hopping from place to place to tie everything up in unrealistically neat bow.


There were more in the thread last night who expressed disappointed. I guess you can't please everyone, but come on.
 
2013-09-30 02:59:30 PM

phenn: Benjamin Stone: Loved the ending. I can understand how people might be underwhelmed but to claim it was outright horrible just doesn't compute.

Any idea when 5b will be on Netflix in the U.S.? I know in the U.K. they were all made available the day after they aired on AMC.

Use SafeIP and connect through a UK server. Might be up there.


an aside question phenn.  How good is safeIP when using it for MLB and NBA passes?  I know with local IP register, local games are blacked out, but does it regular work with SafeIP and using a UK server?
 
2013-09-30 02:59:42 PM

Electromax: thisisyourbrainonFark: My only quibble, and it's minor, as I think this was, overall the best show in TV's history, is that the finale used the fallacy of the talking killer with Jack.

It was a little more believable than usual, I think though. Walt used Jack's pride against him ("PARTNERS?!") in the same way Walt's pride caused his own downfall. Gus' pride and desire to gloat to Tio after the fake DEA visit caused his end too, and Tuco did a fair amount of shouting instead of shooting Jesse and Walt in S2. The show could've ended at the end of S3 if Mike just shot Walt instead of letting him phone Jesse and give the order to shoot Gale.

Maybe that doesn't excuse it, but it had precedent with the other "kingpins". Walt knew how to push Jack's buttons, and we saw last week how pissed Jack was when Jesse snitched on Todd in the video. He didn't just want to kill Walt, he wanted to kill Walt without Walt thinking he was a liar.

Reminded me of Marlo. "He used my name? In the street? My name is my name!"


I agree.  his show has always been about he dangers of pride.  Jack is just another in a long line of villains to be done in by pride.  Not the least of which was Walt.
 
2013-09-30 02:59:51 PM

Trainspotr: cameroncrazy1984: It's precisely this type of overhyped, breathless article that made me never watch the show to begin with.

I completely agree. I, too, prefer to watch television that has been roundly panned by everyone. I have a bootleg copy of the entire 7-episode run of "Emily's Reason's Why Not" that was smuggled out of Slovenia at great cost.


FUNNIED! LOL He's a Duke fan also.


Tuco'sTacos: I've always believed the axiom that we judge ourselves by our intentions while the world judges us on our actions. BrBa was a case study of this...


SMARTIED!! Nice axiom.
 
2013-09-30 03:00:16 PM

SlothB77: It is still unclear to me if Walt dies in the lab or not.  he got shot once, in the side and was lying there.  But is he dead or just wounded?


In Talking Bad, right after the show, they said he was dead.

As for Lydia, they hinted, through Walt's quick speech to her, that she is a creature of habit and a slave to her schedule. He knew she would be in the restaurant at that time, and took a gamble on the table (or paid the hostess to make sure she sat there), and placed the laced Stevia there.

As with most TV and movies, they have to have these thing line up with little attempt to explain them to further the plot. The worst of this being Uncle Jack having Jesse brought before him in chains to prove to Walt that they are not partners. Why didn't he drag Walt to Jesse, then shoot him in the head? Why'd they have to bring Jesse to Walt? Considering all the security they had on Jesse, it seemed more convenient to march Walt to Jesse, then pop one in his skull to end the whole affair, but that's not how the story was to progress. It had to be then bring Jesse to Walt so the .50 in the trunk could take everyone out.
 
2013-09-30 03:02:07 PM

elchip: Walt won.  Which I didn't find very satisfying, considering everything he's done.  I wanted to see the type of ruination that I had been expecting based on the way The Shield ended up.


Walt didn't win, Heisenberg won.
 
2013-09-30 03:06:38 PM
I guess the question I left with was why Marie allowed Skyler and the kids to live in public housing when she was all alone in her house.  She may have had obvious issues with Skyler, but all through the series Marie and Hank bent over backwards to look after Walt, Jr. and Holly.
 
2013-09-30 03:10:17 PM

gilgigamesh: Champion of the Sun: gilgigamesh: All these people saying the ending sucked are probably the same ones who were suggesting Walt would go on a rampage murdering everyone at Gray Matter for some reason.

who said that?

Well you did, for one:

Champion of the Sun: It wasn't bad or anything, but I was totally underwhelmed. Everything happened exactly how I thought it would going into the finale. For a show that has always kept me guessing, was kinda disappointed.

Also:

TeamEd: Brilliant show, bad ending.

RaceBoatDriver: The episode was a total sellout, gratuitous hollywood ending.

js34603: Sorry it wasn't that great of a finale. Taken with the last couple episodes it sort of becomes a great last season, but just on its own this one episode was slow paced, and amounted to him hopping from place to place to tie everything up in unrealistically neat bow.

There were more in the thread last night who expressed disappointed. I guess you can't please everyone, but come on.


So the answer is no one? No one who expressed disappointment in the finale said anything about a murder rampage at Grey Matter?

TFA says it was the greatest finale in the history of television or some such ridiculous nonsense. Taken by itself, this one episode wasn't even close to even the best episode of Breaking Bad. Doesn't mean the episode sucked or the show sucked or thinking that this episode was just ok means it needed more explosions or a murder rampage.

Now it's fine to say the previous two episodes were the real "finale" and this episode was a denouement. If you're saying that, then you pretty much agree this episode is not as great as TFA thinks.

Taken as a whole the last three episodes make a satisfying end to the show. This one episode wasn't that great.
 
Ant
2013-09-30 03:15:15 PM

elchip: Good point.  Although why did Jack still want to kill Walt despite declaring that they were "square" two episodes ago?


"Mr. White, you really shouldn't have come back" - Todd

That's why.
 
2013-09-30 03:17:50 PM

FinFangFark: phenn: Benjamin Stone: Loved the ending. I can understand how people might be underwhelmed but to claim it was outright horrible just doesn't compute.

Any idea when 5b will be on Netflix in the U.S.? I know in the U.K. they were all made available the day after they aired on AMC.

Use SafeIP and connect through a UK server. Might be up there.

an aside question phenn.  How good is safeIP when using it for MLB and NBA passes?  I know with local IP register, local games are blacked out, but does it regular work with SafeIP and using a UK server?


You know - we've never tried it. My husband's buddies have the NFL passes and are able to see blacked out games from here - Costa Rica. By that, maybe it works? Then again, you can just change the IP to another state. That might do the trick.
 
2013-09-30 03:19:03 PM

Benjamin Stone: phenn: SafeIP

Thanks!

(Now, any way to do this so that I can stream it through my PS3? : )


I think hidemyass.com has something for PS3. Not real sure.
 
2013-09-30 03:21:36 PM

phenn: FinFangFark: phenn: Benjamin Stone: Loved the ending. I can understand how people might be underwhelmed but to claim it was outright horrible just doesn't compute.

Any idea when 5b will be on Netflix in the U.S.? I know in the U.K. they were all made available the day after they aired on AMC.

Use SafeIP and connect through a UK server. Might be up there.

an aside question phenn.  How good is safeIP when using it for MLB and NBA passes?  I know with local IP register, local games are blacked out, but does it regular work with SafeIP and using a UK server?

You know - we've never tried it. My husband's buddies have the NFL passes and are able to see blacked out games from here - Costa Rica. By that, maybe it works? Then again, you can just change the IP to another state. That might do the trick.


Good.  I know you can do that if you purchase a VPN, I was just curious if SafeIP would do so as well, especially for NBA games.  I recently reactivated the cable TV, and it was soley used to watch Breaking Bad, and NFL/NBA games.  I hate the idea of buying the year passes and you can only watch out of market games, because they want you to have cable TV.  I don't watch it.  For the better part of the last 5 years we've not had cable TV in my home.  I would purchase the BB episodes and watch them the day after they aired.
 
2013-09-30 03:24:43 PM
de·noue·ment
ˌdānooˈmäN/
noun
noun: denouement

1
.  the final part of a play, movie, or narrative in which the strands of the plot are drawn together and matters are explained or resolved.
 
2013-09-30 03:29:33 PM

elchip: HotIgneous Intruder: This aspect was actually very accurate to life. Among these knuckle-dragger gangs, aryans, bikers, cops, prison guards, tough guy culture in general demands -- demands -- respect and submission to superiors. Public dissing and humiliation or disrespect are dealt with harshly.
I think they got Jack's alpha pack-leader, "I will not be disrespected in front of my fellow mouth-breathers!" pretty much spot-on.

Walt knew this and played Jack with it.

Good point.  Although why did Jack still want to kill Walt despite declaring that they were "square" two episodes ago?


Jack isn't a total idiot. He killed Hank, he knew why Walt was coming back. Hell, even Lydia picked up on it. Her being the boss from afar, and the whole "don't make me spell it out Todd." thing = Jack killing Walt.
 
2013-09-30 03:43:26 PM

taxandspend: It was a very satisfying ending, even if it did play it too safe. Pretty much everything went down as expected with the exception of Walter saving Jessie. I did appreciate Walter getting one more brilliant invention in there at the end and watching Jesse choke the life out of Todd was as satisfying as anything this season. It wasn't as good as prior episodes in the show (Crawl Space, Half Measures, Ozymandias) and I'd probably rank it behind the Scrubs finale as the second best I've ever seen. But it was still damn epic.


I think "playing it safe" might be why it was so satisfying. There was no arty fade-to-black, no kid gazing in a snowglobe, no lumberjacks, no one waking up in a bed and finding out it was all a dream. It was just a proper ending to a well-told story. I think that is so rare on TV that it's almost hard to recognize.
 
2013-09-30 03:45:32 PM

Transubstantive: elchip: Walt won.  Which I didn't find very satisfying, considering everything he's done.  I wanted to see the type of ruination that I had been expecting based on the way The Shield ended up.

Walt didn't win, Heisenberg won.


Walt also died with the knowledge that his son hates him and his name is forever ruined. Even though his son gets the money, Gray Matter gets the credit for it, so even that is a loss for him. He also died with the memory of seeing his brother in law die right in front if him due to his selfish actions. Whatever victories he had were pyrrhic.
 
2013-09-30 03:45:53 PM

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: jj325: I wonder how long ago Vince Gilligan decided to use Baby Blue by Badfinger?  For me, the song worked incredibly well for the ending.  If you had asked someone to write a song for that moment I don't think amyone could have come up with such a perfect fit

That song choice is not getting the respect it deserves.  As you say, it's just 110% perfect in every way.  The sweet nostalgia, the lyrics themselves, the fact it was Walt's own era.  It's just brilliant and makes the episode ultimately soar.  No other song, or silence, would have done the same work.


So much THIS.  It was beyond inspired.
 
2013-09-30 03:50:45 PM

taxandspend: I'd probably rank it behind the Scrubs finale

. . .

Really? I don't pretend to know anything about Scrubs, but best finale ever?  Huh.
 
2013-09-30 04:00:50 PM

taxandspend: Three Crooked Squirrels: taxandspend: I'd probably rank it behind the Scrubs finale . . .

Really? I don't pretend to know anything about Scrubs, but best finale ever?  Huh.

I was a die hard fan for all 8 seasons. Even though it started to falter towards the end, My Finale was so damn emotional and it perfectly captured everything about the show that kept me coming back. The ending montage brought tears to my eyes and the final speech with Dr. Cox praising JD felt like it was written in the first season and they've just been saving it for this moment.


Then they had to go and fark all that up with season 9.
 
2013-09-30 04:04:24 PM
HST's Dead Carcass:
As with most TV and movies, they have to have these thing line up with little attempt to explain them to further the plot. The worst of this being Uncle Jack having Jesse brought before him in chains to prove to Walt that they are not partners. Why didn't he drag Walt to Jesse, then shoot him in the head? Why'd they have to bring Jesse to Walt? Considering all the security they had on Jesse, it seemed more convenient to march Walt to Jesse, then pop one in his skull to end the whole affair, but that's not how the story was to progress. It had to be then bring Jesse to Walt so the .50 in the trunk could take everyone out.

I don't see that as a big deal. The plan could have worked with or without Jesse being there. All Walt needed was his keys, the writers could have easily not had the frisking guy take them away from him in the first place.
 
2013-09-30 04:08:58 PM

Incorrigible Astronaut: Beer cap: cameroncrazy1984: It's precisely this type of overhyped, breathless article that made me never watch the show to begin with.

You miss out on a lot of good things if you look for silly reasons to not take them in.

I don't see the point of going into a long thread that's about something you don't like and blindly bi*ching about it. I mean, I could go into a wrestling or brony thread and go, "man, I just don't get this, and you people are weird," but it's going to fall on deaf ears. Why bother? Likewise, if you're a fan and think that the show has gone in the wrong direction and are willing to defend that by offering up a better alternative, it's one thing, but complaining without a solution is just toothless.


Happens all the time in Springsteen threads and hockey threads. People come in all the time to say "that sucks/hate it." They apparently think it makes them look cool or something. I don't like basketball so I skip the basketball threads. I understand that there are people who like basketball and want to discuss it and they don't need me informing them that they should stop liking what I don't like.
 
2013-09-30 04:12:25 PM
Well, it went out on top.   10 million people watched the finale last night.

And EW.  A site and mag I usually avoid, have a great little blurb on it, and how the show gained so much steam the last couple of years.

Now you know AMC is desperate to get that Badger and Skinny Pete pilot shot.
 
2013-09-30 04:23:13 PM

js34603: So the answer is no one? No one who expressed disappointment in the finale said anything about a murder rampage at Grey Matter?


I was speculating that people who were saying the ending sucked were the same ones who were speculating before the finale aired ridiculous b.s. about Walt going on a rampage at Grey Matter.

My point was that a bunch of armchair quarterbacks second guessing a brilliant show should probably stick to their day jobs.

js34603: Now it's fine to say the previous two episodes were the real "finale" and this episode was a denouement. If you're saying that, then you pretty much agree this episode is not as great as TFA thinks.


I'm not sure you really know what a denouement is, or that it is a standard in serialized storytelling. It doesn't mean it is a weak episode, not on its own nor in context of the whole. It is an essential key to wrap up a story.

If the episode ended with Ozymandias or Granite State, people would be biatching about loose ends like Jessie being left as a slave, what the fark happens to Skyler and Flynn, Hank is left lying to rot in the desert fate unknown to the world, etc. And they'd be right. That's why a denouement is so critical to the story.
 
2013-09-30 04:29:48 PM

FinFangFark: Well, it went out on top.   10 million people watched the finale last night.

And EW.  A site and mag I usually avoid, have a great little blurb on it, and how the show gained so much steam the last couple of years.

Now you know AMC is desperate to get that Badger and Skinny Pete pilot shot.


Hopefully they'll bring their red laser pointers with them
 
2013-09-30 04:47:34 PM

FinFangFark: Well, it went out on top.   10 million people watched the finale last night.

And EW.  A site and mag I usually avoid, have a great little blurb on it, and how the show gained so much steam the last couple of years.

Now you know AMC is desperate to get that Badger and Skinny Pete pilot shot.


Did EW also have a story on the inanity that was their Twitter feed last night?  Because it was pretty terrible.
 
2013-09-30 05:12:28 PM

taxandspend: I don't mean they should have tried to pull a stunt like those other shows. I just mean there wasn't a single surprise in the episode with everything being choreographed months before. As the end of a story arc, it was perfect; but for a show that was always capable of throwing me for a loop I was hoping we'd get one more WTF moment (so long as it didn't detract from the story of course).


The series climax was the third-to-last episode, and the final two were denouement. There's your convention-breaking, "WTF?" moment. Modern viewers have been conditioned to expect the climax of a series arc in its final episode.
 
2013-09-30 05:17:05 PM

gilgigamesh: I was speculating that people who were saying the ending sucked were the same ones who were speculating before the finale aired ridiculous b.s. about Walt going on a rampage at Grey Matter.

My point was that a bunch of armchair quarterbacks second guessing a brilliant show should probably stick to their day jobs.


I bet you're the kind of person who scoffs at those who try to figure out who the perpetrator is in a murder/mystery serial before the reveal.
 
2013-09-30 05:20:45 PM

Strategeryz0r: elchip: HotIgneous Intruder: This aspect was actually very accurate to life. Among these knuckle-dragger gangs, aryans, bikers, cops, prison guards, tough guy culture in general demands -- demands -- respect and submission to superiors. Public dissing and humiliation or disrespect are dealt with harshly.
I think they got Jack's alpha pack-leader, "I will not be disrespected in front of my fellow mouth-breathers!" pretty much spot-on.

Walt knew this and played Jack with it.

Good point.  Although why did Jack still want to kill Walt despite declaring that they were "square" two episodes ago?

Jack isn't a total idiot. He killed Hank, he knew why Walt was coming back. Hell, even Lydia picked up on it. Her being the boss from afar, and the whole "don't make me spell it out Todd." thing = Jack killing Walt.


Well, the thing nobody seems to have mentioned yet is that killing Jesse was in exchange for Walt doing another cook to teach Todd how to do it right. Walt kind of reneged on the deal when he ordered the vacuum dust filter and skipped town.

Jack wasn't happy that Walt skipped out on his part of the bargain, but that weighed against the fact that they didn't actually kill Jesse, either. Todd's slavery of Jesse made Walt's breach of contract a non-issue, but Walt coming back when he wasn't needed made him vulnerable.

Jack, Gus and Tuco all share the same attribute - they were kings of their clans. Maintaining that supremacy means maintaining respect from your clan members. Walt's return is a reminder that he never followed through on his promise to cook with Todd, yet at the same time, Jack didn't want to be seen as having outright breached his end of the deal, either. Even when killing somebody, it has to be a production - put on for the clan members - to demonstrate why the king deserves respect. That allows the writers to ignore the so-called "talking killer fallacy" since this isn't a killer alone with his victim, it's a king commanding an execution for his audience.

Walt took some chances; like Jesse said, part of the aura of Mr. Heisenberg is his luck. Walt's gambits are full of perils, but he's driven to go through with them for the payoff. The danger enthralls Walt and success only makes him bolder the next time. When he poisoned Brock, it was a desperate attempt to manipulate Jesse, and could have failed miserably (ultimately did when Jesse figured it out), this has happened several times each season, and as a viewer, we are entranced by it.
 
2013-09-30 05:22:58 PM
When Walt first goes into vacuum-cleaner hiding, he's got big plans. He wants to hire an elite mercenary squad, take out Jesse and Jack, get back his missing barrels, and make sure his family is provided for... maybe he even thinks he can get them vacuumed up as well, so they can enjoy the money without the government's scrutiny.

He can't talk Saul or Mr. Vacuum into helping him, but he's willing to go it alone. He puts on the Heisenberg hat and... can't hack it. Too weak. Gotta rest up.

Over time, his bloodlust withers. Instead of his big plans, he'll settle for the tiny bit of satisfaction of mailing a hundred grand to Junior. It doesn't work. He realizes that he's failed and probably tipped his hand; he's overcome with shame, sick of hiding, and decides to just turn himself in.

...But seeing the Schwartzs on TV, and hearing how they're throwing their money around, he cooks up a new plan. They were never really on his hit list, but now that they can be useful to him -- and no harm in giving them a little scare in the process.

And since he's heading back to New Mexico anyway, might as well tie up some other loose ends, as long as the flesh is willing. He's sussed Lydia as potential threat to his family. And he's still pretty peeved at Jack for ruining his first surrender, killing Hank, and taking most of the money. Jesse working for Jack is just nasty blue icing on the cake. So he'll contrive to pay Jack a visit and do some damage; if he can take out some of the other Nazis and Jesse in the process, and get back some of his money, all the better.

I don't believe Walt's on a suicide mission at the Rancho Aryano, or he'd just show up with a powerful car bomb, maybe dispersing some poison gas for good measure. I think it was his intention to leave the clubhouse if possible (he probably would have *preferred* to go visit Jesse in the lab, rather than having Jesse brought up), and otherwise to hit the deck at some point -- a coughing fit, on his knees begging for his life, whatever -- and then let loose with the turret. Not an excellent chance of survival, but some chance. Saving Jesse, ultimately at his own expense, was a last-minute decision.

In balance, I think the final showdown went pretty well. I did find Jack's yammering on about Jesse not being a partner a little tedious. Conversation should have gone something like this:
W:"You owe me. You promised to kill Jesse."
J:"Hell, kid's more trouble than he's worth. Todd's learned enough from him anyway. We'll kill him now. Better yet, do it yourself, big shot. Todd, bring Jesse up here..."

[Oh, by the way... spoilers...]
 
2013-09-30 05:23:10 PM

LesserEvil: Strategeryz0r: elchip: HotIgneous Intruder: This aspect was actually very accurate to life. Among these knuckle-dragger gangs, aryans, bikers, cops, prison guards, tough guy culture in general demands -- demands -- respect and submission to superiors. Public dissing and humiliation or disrespect are dealt with harshly.
I think they got Jack's alpha pack-leader, "I will not be disrespected in front of my fellow mouth-breathers!" pretty much spot-on.

Walt knew this and played Jack with it.

Good point.  Although why did Jack still want to kill Walt despite declaring that they were "square" two episodes ago?

Jack isn't a total idiot. He killed Hank, he knew why Walt was coming back. Hell, even Lydia picked up on it. Her being the boss from afar, and the whole "don't make me spell it out Todd." thing = Jack killing Walt.

Well, the thing nobody seems to have mentioned yet is that killing Jesse was in exchange for Walt doing another cook to teach Todd how to do it right. Walt kind of reneged on the deal when he ordered the vacuum dust filter and skipped town.

Jack wasn't happy that Walt skipped out on his part of the bargain, but that weighed against the fact that they didn't actually kill Jesse, either. Todd's slavery of Jesse made Walt's breach of contract a non-issue, but Walt coming back when he wasn't needed made him vulnerable.

Jack, Gus and Tuco all share the same attribute - they were kings of their clans. Maintaining that supremacy means maintaining respect from your clan members. Walt's return is a reminder that he never followed through on his promise to cook with Todd, yet at the same time, Jack didn't want to be seen as having outright breached his end of the deal, either. Even when killing somebody, it has to be a production - put on for the clan members - to demonstrate why the king deserves respect. That allows the writers to ignore the so-called "talking killer fallacy" since this isn't a killer alone with his victim, it's a king commanding an execut ...


Solid observations.

I like you..
 
2013-09-30 05:27:41 PM
Considering the Nazis have something like 60 million lying around, you'd think they could have spruced up the clubhouse a little.
 
2013-09-30 05:28:36 PM

Confabulat: Considering the Nazis have something like 60 million lying around, you'd think they could have spruced up the clubhouse a little.


Didn't you see that awesome massage chair?
 
2013-09-30 05:48:15 PM

DamnYankees: My only issue - the Stevia thing didn't make sense. How and when did he put ricin inside the Stevia packet? How did he know she'd sit at that table; just last week she'd sat at a different one. Why did he need to tell her what he did - now that she knows, can't she get treatment? Sloppy.

Otherwise - absolutely great.


I bet you're still hung up on Brock's juicebox too..
 
2013-09-30 05:53:54 PM

taxandspend: that bosnian sniper: taxandspend: I don't mean they should have tried to pull a stunt like those other shows. I just mean there wasn't a single surprise in the episode with everything being choreographed months before. As the end of a story arc, it was perfect; but for a show that was always capable of throwing me for a loop I was hoping we'd get one more WTF moment (so long as it didn't detract from the story of course).

The series climax was the third-to-last episode, and the final two were denouement. There's your convention-breaking, "WTF?" moment. Modern viewers have been conditioned to expect the climax of a series arc in its final episode.

Wouldn't last week's episode be more an example of falling action than of denouement?

Also, just because something is tying all the loose ends together doesn't mean we can't have at least one surprise.


Why in the world do you need a surprise to have engaging television? I'm glad they didn't go with the M Night Shamalamadingdong school and throw a twist in because people expect it. Everything that happened in the last episodes was consistent with the characters  and wonderfully foreshadowed.
 
2013-09-30 05:56:49 PM

stoli n coke: Did Walt know she switched tables LAST WEEK?! I doubt it. He took a gamble based on his knowledge of her routines taken from weekly meetings over a year's time. Turns out, his gamble was correct.


Dude, are you frakkin' trolling? Do you not realize that it was more than 'LAST WEEK'? That more time than that passed? Do you even watch the series, or is it something you glance at while looking at weird porn?
 
2013-09-30 05:56:54 PM

StrikitRich: I guess the question I left with was why Marie allowed Skyler and the kids to live in public housing when she was all alone in her house.  She may have had obvious issues with Skyler, but all through the series Marie and Hank bent over backwards to look after Walt, Jr. and Holly.


Probably because Skyler wasn't on speaking terms with Marie. I certainly wouldn't be, if I were Skyler.
 
2013-09-30 06:23:11 PM
While you were all gushing about this, I was already tuning into the next hot TV show. You've probably never heard of it though because it's a Filipino telenovela.
 
2013-09-30 06:41:36 PM

hundreddollarman: While you were all gushing about this, I was already tuning into the next hot TV show. You've probably never heard of it though because it's a Filipino telenovela.


Metástasis?
 
2013-09-30 07:18:24 PM
And most of the country didn't watch the freaking show. Talk about overblown coverage, GOOD GOD.
 
Ant
2013-09-30 07:22:57 PM

B.L.Z. Bub: And most of the country didn't watch the freaking show. Talk about overblown coverage, GOOD GOD.


You seem to have a real problem with the popularity of this show. Would it make you feel better to talk about it?
 
2013-09-30 07:23:53 PM

taxandspend: Wouldn't last week's episode be more an example of falling action than of denouement?


Those terms are synonymous, you know. There's only a "distinction" made thanks to the ubiquity of the woefully inadequate three-act structure as a pedagogical or explanatory device.
 
2013-09-30 07:25:43 PM

unyon: cman: DamnYankees: I also do wish we had a little more emotional resolution for Jesse. All that happens is that he's set free, but he still has absolutely nothing in his life, Andrea is still dead, and he's emotionally tortured. Jesse didn't get a denoument - he'll probably die of drug overdose within a few months.

I like to think that he ends up a woodworker in Alaska, with his adopted son Brock by his side.


I like to think this too, but that would be too Hollywood of an ending. My guess is that he'd go back to town to tie up his loose ends and then head for Alaska. And who knows, maybe Todd blabbed the location of the money to Jesse because he has tha

Samsquantch: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: jj325: I wonder how long ago Vince Gilligan decided to use Baby Blue by Badfinger?  For me, the song worked incredibly well for the ending.  If you had asked someone to write a song for that moment I don't think amyone could have come up with such a perfect fit

That song choice is not getting the respect it deserves.  As you say, it's just 110% perfect in every way.  The sweet nostalgia, the lyrics themselves, the fact it was Walt's own era.  It's just brilliant and makes the episode ultimately soar.  No other song, or silence, would have done the same work.

So much THIS.  It was beyond inspired.


Another vote for Baby Blue as being an awesome capper to the series. From the "guess I got what I deserve" line to the song name itself being a reference to Walt's 'baby blue' meth, it was pitch perfect.

Also, I think that the whole point of telling Lydia that he poisoned her with the ricin in front of Jesse was to take that off of Jesse's mind, since Jesse was convinced that Walt used the ricin on Brock.
 
2013-09-30 07:27:34 PM

Confabulat: Considering the Nazis have something like 60 million lying around, you'd think they could have spruced up the clubhouse a little.


They should have a couple hundred million shouldn't they?
 
2013-09-30 07:34:18 PM

Ant: B.L.Z. Bub: And most of the country didn't watch the freaking show. Talk about overblown coverage, GOOD GOD.

You seem to have a real problem with the popularity of this show. Would it make you feel better to talk about it?


It's only "popular" relatively speaking. Compared to the population of the country, its ratings are a drop in the bucket. Do I have to draw you a freaking picture? OVER. BLOWN. COVERAGE.
 
2013-09-30 07:49:55 PM
Unless he was a lumberjack at the end then I don't give a shiat.
 
2013-09-30 08:03:01 PM

B.L.Z. Bub: It's only "popular" relatively speaking. Compared to the population of the country, its ratings are a drop in the bucket.


You can make this same silly argument about just about every popular thing ever. The biggest movies of our time are still only seen by a tiny portion of the country. The biggest records of our day are listened to by a small fraction of the population. And so on and so forth.

It's a silly argument.

The show became a cultural phenomenon and in terms of both artistry and popularity, and as a result became a huge deal in one of the age's most popular mediums. Of COURSE it was going to get a lot of coverage.

You can, of course, simply change the channel or click on a different link. That totally works.
 
2013-09-30 08:09:56 PM

Tuco'sTacos: I think Walt intended to die with the Nazis in the gun fire. It was only after seeing Jesse was a slave that he decided to save Jesse before offing himself.


This is 100% accurate.
 
2013-09-30 08:10:51 PM

shoegaze99: It's a silly argument.


He's not arguing, he's trolling.
 
2013-09-30 08:16:01 PM

shoegaze99: The show became a cultural phenomenon


When most people haven't looked at something, it's not a cultural phenomenon. Case closed.
 
2013-09-30 08:19:28 PM

B.L.Z. Bub: shoegaze99: The show became a cultural phenomenon

When most people haven't looked at something, it's not a cultural phenomenon. Case closed.


There has never been a television program that "most people" watched live. Therefore no show can be a cultural phenomenon. Case closed.

Wait that also applies to books, movies and stage shows. Guess there can't be any cultural phenomenons guys Bub here vetoed it.
 
2013-09-30 08:21:41 PM

B.L.Z. Bub: shoegaze99: The show became a cultural phenomenon

When most people haven't looked at something, it's not a cultural phenomenon. Case closed.


This is really, really important to you, isn't it.
 
2013-09-30 08:30:31 PM

Carth: There has never been a television program that "most people" watched live


Well, the finale for M.A.S.H. was supposedly watched by 60% of all households, so that counts as most.

Nothing else tops 50%, though, and virtually every single one of the top ranking episodes as far as total viewership is concerned are from before the year 2000, before the Internet, Netflix, DVD having eight trillion channels and other factors changed the way we watch TV.

The fact that some AMC show raked in over 10 million viewers is pretty amazing, especially considering it wasn't exactly burning up the ratings not too long ago.
 
2013-09-30 08:33:02 PM

gunga galunga: B.L.Z. Bub: shoegaze99: The show became a cultural phenomenon

When most people haven't looked at something, it's not a cultural phenomenon. Case closed.

This is really, really important to you, isn't it.


It's really, really important to you that you keep arguing with me until I change my mind, isn't it? You can't stand it when someone doesn't talk about your favorite show in anything less than glowing terms, n'est-ce pas?
 
2013-09-30 08:34:33 PM

gunga galunga: B.L.Z. Bub: shoegaze99: The show became a cultural phenomenon

When most people haven't looked at something, it's not a cultural phenomenon. Case closed.

This is really, really important to you, isn't it.


And by the way, the media started it with all this overblown coverage. They're the ones who think a TV show that most of the country hasn't watched is "really, really important".
 
2013-09-30 08:34:57 PM

B.L.Z. Bub: It's really, really important to you that you keep arguing with me until I change my mind, isn't it? You can't stand it when someone doesn't talk about your favorite show in anything less than glowing terms, n'est-ce pas?


I assumed  you were just trolling for giggles. Damn, were you being serious? If so, you must be new to the world of pop culture.
 
2013-09-30 08:39:10 PM

shoegaze99: Carth: There has never been a television program that "most people" watched live

Well, the finale for M.A.S.H. was supposedly watched by 60% of all households, so that counts as most.

Nothing else tops 50%, though, and virtually every single one of the top ranking episodes as far as total viewership is concerned are from before the year 2000, before the Internet, Netflix, DVD having eight trillion channels and other factors changed the way we watch TV.

The fact that some AMC show raked in over 10 million viewers is pretty amazing, especially considering it wasn't exactly burning up the ratings not too long ago.


Fair enough I was thinking in the whole world not just US. World Cup games probably have the highest ratings.
 
2013-09-30 08:39:25 PM

Confabulat: B.L.Z. Bub: It's really, really important to you that you keep arguing with me until I change my mind, isn't it? You can't stand it when someone doesn't talk about your favorite show in anything less than glowing terms, n'est-ce pas?

I assumed  you were just trolling for giggles. Damn, were you being serious? If so, you must be new to the world of pop culture.


ok, this got a snicker out of me
 
2013-09-30 08:40:29 PM

Carth: shoegaze99: Carth: There has never been a television program that "most people" watched live

Well, the finale for M.A.S.H. was supposedly watched by 60% of all households, so that counts as most.

Nothing else tops 50%, though, and virtually every single one of the top ranking episodes as far as total viewership is concerned are from before the year 2000, before the Internet, Netflix, DVD having eight trillion channels and other factors changed the way we watch TV.

The fact that some AMC show raked in over 10 million viewers is pretty amazing, especially considering it wasn't exactly burning up the ratings not too long ago.

Fair enough I was thinking in the whole world not just US. World Cup games probably have the highest ratings.


Probably the Olympics
 
2013-09-30 08:43:48 PM

libranoelrose: Confabulat: B.L.Z. Bub: It's really, really important to you that you keep arguing with me until I change my mind, isn't it? You can't stand it when someone doesn't talk about your favorite show in anything less than glowing terms, n'est-ce pas?

I assumed  you were just trolling for giggles. Damn, were you being serious? If so, you must be new to the world of pop culture.

ok, this got a snicker out of me


THAT made you laugh? You must have low standards. Not unlike the media that has multiple orgasms over this silly show that most of the country doesn't watch.
 
2013-09-30 08:44:25 PM

B.L.Z. Bub: gunga galunga: B.L.Z. Bub: shoegaze99: The show became a cultural phenomenon

When most people haven't looked at something, it's not a cultural phenomenon. Case closed.

This is really, really important to you, isn't it.

And by the way, the media started it with all this overblown coverage. They're the ones who think a TV show that most of the country hasn't watched is "really, really important".


You're done here, troll.
 
2013-09-30 08:46:02 PM
Too bad Walt had to catch that ricochet.

I now have very little reason to watch teevee.
 
2013-09-30 08:49:26 PM

B.L.Z. Bub: gunga galunga: B.L.Z. Bub: shoegaze99: The show became a cultural phenomenon

When most people haven't looked at something, it's not a cultural phenomenon. Case closed.

This is really, really important to you, isn't it.

It's really, really important to you that you keep arguing with me until I change my mind, isn't it? You can't stand it when someone doesn't talk about your favorite show in anything less than glowing terms, n'est-ce pas?


It's just that your pants-wetting "stop liking what I don't like" rants have gone from being funny to making me genuinely concerned over your well being. Really, dude. You need to relax and focus on something else. No TV show is worth this much aggravation.
 
2013-09-30 08:51:19 PM

B.L.Z. Bub: libranoelrose: Confabulat: B.L.Z. Bub: It's really, really important to you that you keep arguing with me until I change my mind, isn't it? You can't stand it when someone doesn't talk about your favorite show in anything less than glowing terms, n'est-ce pas?

I assumed  you were just trolling for giggles. Damn, were you being serious? If so, you must be new to the world of pop culture.

ok, this got a snicker out of me

THAT made you laugh? You must have low standards. Not unlike the media that has multiple orgasms over this silly show that most of the country doesn't watch.


I was talking about your exquisite troll, lighten up Frances
 
2013-09-30 08:54:02 PM

gunga galunga: B.L.Z. Bub: gunga galunga: B.L.Z. Bub: shoegaze99: The show became a cultural phenomenon

When most people haven't looked at something, it's not a cultural phenomenon. Case closed.

This is really, really important to you, isn't it.

It's really, really important to you that you keep arguing with me until I change my mind, isn't it? You can't stand it when someone doesn't talk about your favorite show in anything less than glowing terms, n'est-ce pas?

It's just that your pants-wetting "stop liking what I don't like" rants have gone from being funny to making me genuinely concerned over your well being. Really, dude. You need to relax and focus on something else. No TV show is worth this much aggravation.


No TV show is worth this much media coverage, for God's sake. Why don't you Breaking Bad cultists relax and STOP TALKING ABOUT THE SHOW ALREADY, FOR GOD'S SAKE ALL YOU DO IS TALK ABOUT IT AND TALK ABOUT IT AND POST THREAD AFTER THREAD, IT'S LIKE ENOUGH!!!! GET A LIFE!
 
2013-09-30 08:57:30 PM

B.L.Z. Bub: gunga galunga: B.L.Z. Bub: gunga galunga: B.L.Z. Bub: shoegaze99: The show became a cultural phenomenon

When most people haven't looked at something, it's not a cultural phenomenon. Case closed.

This is really, really important to you, isn't it.

It's really, really important to you that you keep arguing with me until I change my mind, isn't it? You can't stand it when someone doesn't talk about your favorite show in anything less than glowing terms, n'est-ce pas?

It's just that your pants-wetting "stop liking what I don't like" rants have gone from being funny to making me genuinely concerned over your well being. Really, dude. You need to relax and focus on something else. No TV show is worth this much aggravation.

No TV show is worth this much media coverage, for God's sake. Why don't you Breaking Bad cultists relax and STOP TALKING ABOUT THE SHOW ALREADY, FOR GOD'S SAKE ALL YOU DO IS TALK ABOUT IT AND TALK ABOUT IT AND POST THREAD AFTER THREAD, IT'S LIKE ENOUGH!!!! GET A LIFE!



I think we just found the Fark handle of the guy who created Low Winter Sun.
 
2013-09-30 09:00:03 PM

B.L.Z. Bub: No TV show is worth this much media coverage, for God's sake. Why don't you Breaking Bad cultists relax and STOP TALKING ABOUT THE SHOW ALREADY, FOR GOD'S SAKE ALL YOU DO IS TALK ABOUT IT AND TALK ABOUT IT AND POST THREAD AFTER THREAD, IT'S LIKE ENOUGH!!!! GET A LIFE!


I dunno, seems like it's more of a life to post in a thread about things you like than spend hours posting in a thread about things you don't.
 
2013-09-30 09:02:33 PM

Confabulat: B.L.Z. Bub: No TV show is worth this much media coverage, for God's sake. Why don't you Breaking Bad cultists relax and STOP TALKING ABOUT THE SHOW ALREADY, FOR GOD'S SAKE ALL YOU DO IS TALK ABOUT IT AND TALK ABOUT IT AND POST THREAD AFTER THREAD, IT'S LIKE ENOUGH!!!! GET A LIFE!

I dunno, seems like it's more of a life to post in a thread about things you like than spend hours posting in a thread about things you don't.


Where are you getting that I've spent "hours" in here? I've spent five minutes tops posting here.
 
2013-09-30 09:02:38 PM

Confabulat: B.L.Z. Bub: No TV show is worth this much media coverage, for God's sake. Why don't you Breaking Bad cultists relax and STOP TALKING ABOUT THE SHOW ALREADY, FOR GOD'S SAKE ALL YOU DO IS TALK ABOUT IT AND TALK ABOUT IT AND POST THREAD AFTER THREAD, IT'S LIKE ENOUGH!!!! GET A LIFE!

I dunno, seems like it's more of a life to post in a thread about things you like than spend hours posting in a thread about things you don't.


trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls

img.fark.net
 
2013-09-30 09:28:02 PM

DamnYankees: Confabulat: The show has always assumed you can put together the pieces, you know. It would have been lame to actually show Walter poisoning the Stevia.

I actually thought it was sort of lame that they tipped it off as much as they did - the anvillicious shot of her putting in the Stevia, and him telling her on the phone. All we needed to see was her sick on the phone; no need to mention anything else.


I don't think that was the point. I think Walt needed her to know that he was the reason she was going to die.
 
2013-09-30 09:33:36 PM

B.L.Z. Bub: Confabulat: B.L.Z. Bub: No TV show is worth this much media coverage, for God's sake. Why don't you Breaking Bad cultists relax and STOP TALKING ABOUT THE SHOW ALREADY, FOR GOD'S SAKE ALL YOU DO IS TALK ABOUT IT AND TALK ABOUT IT AND POST THREAD AFTER THREAD, IT'S LIKE ENOUGH!!!! GET A LIFE!

I dunno, seems like it's more of a life to post in a thread about things you like than spend hours posting in a thread about things you don't.

Where are you getting that I've spent "hours" in here? I've spent five minutes tops posting here.


Damnit, man, you forgot about the liberals and commies again!  That spiel was so good when you first brought it out, man, you should've kept to it.  It was really compelling stuff.
 
2013-09-30 09:38:21 PM

Hoboclown: Where is the money? Who finds it? Who gets to keep it?
Who really cares? If the Nazis left it at the compound then the DEA gets it. If they buried it somewhere else it'll probably stay there forever.


Didnt' you read? they buried $20million from the show in the desert so they can keep the legend of the "Heisenberg Stash" alive for years until/unless someone finds it.
 
2013-09-30 09:40:57 PM

taxandspend: HotIgneous Intruder: Too bad Walt had to catch that ricochet.

I now have very little reason to watch teevee.

I have to rewatch that scene because upon first glance it seemed impossible for him to get shot there without either Jesse getting hit or it going throw his back.


I thought it was either a ricochet or shrapnel, not necessarily a direct hit from a bullet.
 
2013-09-30 09:46:50 PM

Sandor at the Zoo: B.L.Z. Bub: Confabulat: B.L.Z. Bub: No TV show is worth this much media coverage, for God's sake. Why don't you Breaking Bad cultists relax and STOP TALKING ABOUT THE SHOW ALREADY, FOR GOD'S SAKE ALL YOU DO IS TALK ABOUT IT AND TALK ABOUT IT AND POST THREAD AFTER THREAD, IT'S LIKE ENOUGH!!!! GET A LIFE!

I dunno, seems like it's more of a life to post in a thread about things you like than spend hours posting in a thread about things you don't.

Where are you getting that I've spent "hours" in here? I've spent five minutes tops posting here.

Damnit, man, you forgot about the liberals and commies again!  That spiel was so good when you first brought it out, man, you should've kept to it.  It was really compelling stuff.


In other news, left-wing socialists are so bad at sarcasm that people with Asperger's can recognize it.
 
2013-09-30 09:51:51 PM

cameroncrazy1984: It's precisely this type of overhyped, breathless article that made me never watch the show to begin with.


I hear ya, dude, I never watch serial TV.  Last show I "had to watch"  was Seinfeld.  And "The Sopranos" for a while.  But this one hooked me.  Absolutely superb.
 
2013-09-30 09:54:27 PM

rugman11: ricochet or shrapnel, not necessarily a direct hit from a bullet.


Seems like it would have to have been.

Getting punched in the gut with a 7.62 round seems like it would bleed a guy out quicker than that.

Then again he was all hopped up on goofballs to he might have been able to just zombie through it all until the end.
 
2013-09-30 09:56:15 PM

violentsalvation: cameroncrazy1984: It's precisely this type of overhyped, breathless article that made me never watch the show to begin with.

Give it a shot. Everyone I've convinced to watch the show has become a huge fan. It just delivers and twists and leaves you going HOLY FARK. It is amazing television.


Yes.

For once, the "over-hyped" charge does not apply.  I rarely get hooked on a TV show.
 
2013-09-30 09:59:49 PM

rugman11: taxandspend: HotIgneous Intruder: Too bad Walt had to catch that ricochet.

I now have very little reason to watch teevee.

I have to rewatch that scene because upon first glance it seemed impossible for him to get shot there without either Jesse getting hit or it going throw his back.

I thought it was either a ricochet or shrapnel, not necessarily a direct hit from a bullet.


I've just rewatched the scene. You hear the sound of a ricochet followed by Walter gasping.
 
2013-09-30 10:22:27 PM

B.L.Z. Bub: Sandor at the Zoo: B.L.Z. Bub: Confabulat: B.L.Z. Bub: No TV show is worth this much media coverage, for God's sake. Why don't you Breaking Bad cultists relax and STOP TALKING ABOUT THE SHOW ALREADY, FOR GOD'S SAKE ALL YOU DO IS TALK ABOUT IT AND TALK ABOUT IT AND POST THREAD AFTER THREAD, IT'S LIKE ENOUGH!!!! GET A LIFE!

I dunno, seems like it's more of a life to post in a thread about things you like than spend hours posting in a thread about things you don't.

Where are you getting that I've spent "hours" in here? I've spent five minutes tops posting here.

Damnit, man, you forgot about the liberals and commies again!  That spiel was so good when you first brought it out, man, you should've kept to it.  It was really compelling stuff.

In other news, left-wing socialists are so bad at sarcasm that people with Asperger's can recognize it.


There you go, buddy.  You gotta play the hits if you wanna put butts in seats.
 
2013-09-30 10:45:04 PM

B.L.Z. Bub: shoegaze99: The show became a cultural phenomenon

When most people haven't looked at something, it's not a cultural phenomenon. Case closed.


Name one thing that falls under "cultural phenomenon" by your definition.  I don't think even the flippin Bible would rate under your definition.

/Case closed.
 
2013-09-30 10:46:52 PM

B.L.Z. Bub: Confabulat: B.L.Z. Bub: No TV show is worth this much media coverage, for God's sake. Why don't you Breaking Bad cultists relax and STOP TALKING ABOUT THE SHOW ALREADY, FOR GOD'S SAKE ALL YOU DO IS TALK ABOUT IT AND TALK ABOUT IT AND POST THREAD AFTER THREAD, IT'S LIKE ENOUGH!!!! GET A LIFE!

I dunno, seems like it's more of a life to post in a thread about things you like than spend hours posting in a thread about things you don't.

Where are you getting that I've spent "hours" in here? I've spent five minutes tops posting here.


5 wasted minutes.  Go pee in someone else's cereal.
 
2013-09-30 10:49:04 PM

Oysterman: Other than maybe Six Feet Under, finales are rarely the best episode.


Ever notice that people completely forget that SFU draggedfor all of season three and pretty much the entire second half of season 5?  If that finale hadn't been so spot on, the show would have been good, but not nearly as memorable as people make it out to be.
 
2013-09-30 11:11:10 PM

taxandspend: gunga galunga: rugman11: taxandspend: HotIgneous Intruder: Too bad Walt had to catch that ricochet.

I now have very little reason to watch teevee.

I have to rewatch that scene because upon first glance it seemed impossible for him to get shot there without either Jesse getting hit or it going throw his back.

I thought it was either a ricochet or shrapnel, not necessarily a direct hit from a bullet.

I've just rewatched the scene. You hear the sound of a ricochet followed by Walter gasping.

I was never confused about it being a ricochet. My question was about the position of his body on top of Jesse and the entrance point of the bullet.


Have you never opened a paper envelope and tried to close it back up?
 
2013-09-30 11:19:52 PM

LrdPhoenix: DamnYankees: Confabulat: Lydia and Walt ALWAYS sat at that table at 10 AM.

She sat at a different table LAST WEEK! Seriously - just last week when she met Todd, they both sat at tables next to the window. The table in tonight's episode was a different table, not next to the window. I literally watched both episodes today, so unless I'm hallucinating, you're wrong.

No, it's the same table.  You can watch her walk in and sit down by the window at the same table as always at the start of the scene.  They just shot it from the opposite side of the table than they usually do, so that rather than looking out, you're looking in and can see Walt come and sit.


Yep, I thought it was a different table at first as well, but after watching the episode again, I saw that it was the same table by the window.  Used a different camera angle to accommodate three people and it made it seem like it was a different table.
 
2013-09-30 11:23:33 PM

Pumpernickel bread: Yep, I thought it was a different table at first as well, but after watching the episode again, I saw that it was the same table by the window. Used a different camera angle to accommodate three people and it made it seem like it was a different table.


Vince Glligan is a farking master of TV slight of hand
 
2013-09-30 11:27:21 PM

Transubstantive: elchip: Walt won.  Which I didn't find very satisfying, considering everything he's done.  I wanted to see the type of ruination that I had been expecting based on the way The Shield ended up.

Walt didn't win, Heisenberg won.


Except Vic didn't suffer ruination in the Shield.  Everyone around him did, but him taking the gun before he left the desk suggested he was going to be the same old Vic.
 
2013-09-30 11:44:46 PM

Pumpernickel bread: Transubstantive: elchip: Walt won.  Which I didn't find very satisfying, considering everything he's done.  I wanted to see the type of ruination that I had been expecting based on the way The Shield ended up.

Walt didn't win, Heisenberg won.

Except Vic didn't suffer ruination in the Shield.  Everyone around him did, but him taking the gun before he left the desk suggested he was going to be the same old Vic.


After reading these Breaking Bad threads, and hearing how great the Shield was I was gonna watch it, but now you've ruined it for me
 
2013-10-01 01:06:16 AM

HighOnCraic: I liked the fact that he woke up in bed with his wife, Emily Lois, and realized that the whole show was just a weird dream.


FTFY

/Hopefully not too late to post
 
2013-10-01 01:12:49 AM

Raktastic: too late to post


There are some of us that have lawns
 
2013-10-01 01:23:55 AM

libranoelrose: Raktastic: too late to post

There are some of us that have lawns


Damn, good job Invisible Pedestrian.

/Great minds and all that
 
2013-10-01 02:10:57 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: If you look at the form of classic dramatic structure, you see that the plot develops and rises to a peak of action, then there is falling action leading to the denouement, or resolution.

The plot climax of the series was the "To'hajiilee" shootout.
The last two episodes were just to clean up the loose ends, to resolve the drama.

Very classic narrative form.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dramatic_structure


Not only is that true, but I argue that the seasons generally follow classic dramatic structure. The absolute climax of BB is the conclusion of S4. Seasons 1, 2, and 3 all lead up to the conclusion of Season 4. Season 5 is the beginning of the end as it is the aftermath of S4 and the ultimate tying of loose ends. More aspiring writers should strive to understand why classic dramatic and five-act structures both make for superior storytelling than three-act structure.

Here's [a href=http://filmcrithulk.wordpress.com/2011/07/07/hulk-presents-the-my th-of-3-act-structure/]Film Crit Hulk[/a] to explain it more.

All in all, I liked the finale. I'm not sure of Breaking Bad is the greatest television series of all time, but if it goes down in the history books as such a decade or two from now, I'll always remember the journey and how it came to a satisfying end for me. That should be all that matters.
 
2013-10-01 05:30:00 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-10-01 08:48:11 AM

taxandspend: I was never confused about it being a ricochet. My question was about the position of his body on top of Jesse and the entrance point of the bullet.


It was a side entrance into the kidney area, definitively lethal. Also he was likely taking codeine as a cough suppressant which also is a pain killer which would allow him some time to walk and operate while he bled out.

germ78: Also, I think that the whole point of telling Lydia that he poisoned her with the ricin in front of Jesse was to take that off of Jesse's mind, since Jesse was convinced that Walt used the ricin on Brock.


This, he basically set Jesse totally free at that point allowing him to exit this meth life once and for all.
 
2013-10-01 10:45:49 AM

taxandspend: IdBeCrazyIf: taxandspend: I was never confused about it being a ricochet. My question was about the position of his body on top of Jesse and the entrance point of the bullet.

It was a side entrance into the kidney area, definitively lethal. Also he was likely taking codeine as a cough suppressant which also is a pain killer which would allow him some time to walk and operate while he bled out.

This is what I'm talking about. Here is where Walter White got shot:

[24.media.tumblr.com image 710x383]

Notice there are no holes in his jacket. Here is how he was lying on top of Jesse:

[31.media.tumblr.com image 688x371]

Notice the jacket is not flipped up and looking at the position of his body, Walter White's right side seems to be right in the middle of Jesse's stomach.

Here's Walter when he does get hit by the ricochet:

[24.media.tumblr.com image 696x379]

He's basically in the same position. Finally here he is from the back with no bullet entry there.

[24.media.tumblr.com image 376x233]

So... even with a ricochet, how the hell did he get shot so cleanly without Jesse getting hit?


To quote the denizens of the SoL...

If you're wondering how he eats & breathes, 
And other science facts...(la! la! la!) 
Then repeat to yourself its just a show, 
I should really just relax...
 
2013-10-01 12:32:03 PM

taxandspend: So... even with a ricochet, how the hell did he get shot so cleanly without Jesse getting hit?


One of those moments I can suspend belief for dramatic effect give the rest of the series production values
 
2013-10-01 04:54:45 PM
Just a note... watched Colbert's interview of Vince Gilligan.

Walt's motivation included killing Jesse, until he realized Jesse was a slave. It's the definitive answer - Walter thought Jesse was actually partnered with Jack and his gang.

He came back to set things right financially with his family, and erase the blue meth business. That entailed poisoning Lydia (component supplier, distributor, connections) and killing Jacks gang.

No answer for the hole-less jacket, so that one might keep a few of you awake at night.

/back and to the left, back and to the left...
 
2013-10-01 05:27:51 PM

taxandspend: IdBeCrazyIf: taxandspend: I was never confused about it being a ricochet. My question was about the position of his body on top of Jesse and the entrance point of the bullet.

It was a side entrance into the kidney area, definitively lethal. Also he was likely taking codeine as a cough suppressant which also is a pain killer which would allow him some time to walk and operate while he bled out.

This is what I'm talking about. Here is where Walter White got shot:

[24.media.tumblr.com image 710x383]

Notice there are no holes in his jacket. Here is how he was lying on top of Jesse:

[31.media.tumblr.com image 688x371]

Notice the jacket is not flipped up and looking at the position of his body, Walter White's right side seems to be right in the middle of Jesse's stomach.

Here's Walter when he does get hit by the ricochet:

[24.media.tumblr.com image 696x379]

He's basically in the same position. Finally here he is from the back with no bullet entry there.

[24.media.tumblr.com image 376x233]

So... even with a ricochet, how the hell did he get shot so cleanly without Jesse getting hit?


It was a mistake. Even the best productions have them (check out the IMDB "Goofs" page for 2001- one of the best films ever made by one of the most anal retentive, detail oriented filmmakers in the history of cinema has dozens of mistakes throughout the film
 
2013-10-01 07:44:01 PM

B.L.Z. Bub: gunga galunga: B.L.Z. Bub: gunga galunga: B.L.Z. Bub: shoegaze99: The show became a cultural phenomenon

When most people haven't looked at something, it's not a cultural phenomenon. Case closed.

This is really, really important to you, isn't it.

It's really, really important to you that you keep arguing with me until I change my mind, isn't it? You can't stand it when someone doesn't talk about your favorite show in anything less than glowing terms, n'est-ce pas?

It's just that your pants-wetting "stop liking what I don't like" rants have gone from being funny to making me genuinely concerned over your well being. Really, dude. You need to relax and focus on something else. No TV show is worth this much aggravation.

No TV show is worth this much media coverage, for God's sake. Why don't you Breaking Bad cultists relax and STOP TALKING ABOUT THE SHOW ALREADY, FOR GOD'S SAKE ALL YOU DO IS TALK ABOUT IT AND TALK ABOUT IT AND POST THREAD AFTER THREAD, IT'S LIKE ENOUGH!!!! GET A LIFE!


Did momma not pay you enough mind, child?
 
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