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(Pacific Standard Magazine)   Whole Foods is the Lewis & Clark of gentrification. Except the average person in the recently-gentrified neighborhoods can't afford their products   (psmag.com) divider line 99
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2013-09-29 09:30:28 PM  
The march of progress
 
2013-09-29 09:30:32 PM  
That's what gentrification is subby.  Kick out the poor.  Move in the upper crust.
 
2013-09-29 09:30:46 PM  
That article was a whole lot of something, but very little about Whole Foods.
 
2013-09-29 09:31:08 PM  
Their shiat is too damned expensive but damned do they have one hell of a fantastic cheese selection.
 
2013-09-29 09:33:54 PM  
Really? I my town the two whole food I know of are in rather affluent neighborhoods.
 
2013-09-29 09:34:14 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Their shiat is too damned expensive but damned do they have one hell of a fantastic cheese selection.


and beer
 
2013-09-29 09:34:59 PM  
They gon' drive out the black element to make the galaxy quote, unquote, safe for white folks. And Jedi's the most insulting installment! Because Vader's beautiful black visage is sullied when he pulls off his mask to reveal a feeble, crusty, old white man! They tryin' to tell us that deep inside we all wants to be white!
 
2013-09-29 09:35:05 PM  
Whole Foods does not open stores willy nilly in transitional neighborhoods.  They go where people care about what they eat, and have the money for it.
 
2013-09-29 09:37:56 PM  

skullkrusher: Smeggy Smurf: Their shiat is too damned expensive but damned do they have one hell of a fantastic cheese selection.

and beer


Not in Boise.  It's better than the others but it's still a damned shame what they had to offer
 
2013-09-29 09:39:04 PM  

karmaceutical: Whole Foods does not open stores willy nilly in transitional neighborhoods.  They go where people care about what they eat, and have the money for it.


they can be rather timely in their openings. There's one that opened not so long ago on 96th and Columbus in Manhattan. That is still very much a transitional neighborhood but it's getting there and I'd imagine Whole Foods got a much better deal on their lease 5 years ago than they would today and even more so than they will 5 years from now.
I don't think they're waiting to open in established areas only. They are in those but not exclusively
 
2013-09-29 09:39:27 PM  
Oh my god shut the hell up

I don't even know what that was about...  if you care about food, shop at farmers market, make your diet seasonal, teach it to your snowflakes, and try to support the grocery industry as little as possible.  Whole Foods... Wal Mart... Kroger... no difference.

heathens..
 
2013-09-29 09:39:54 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: skullkrusher: Smeggy Smurf: Their shiat is too damned expensive but damned do they have one hell of a fantastic cheese selection.

and beer

Not in Boise.  It's better than the others but it's still a damned shame what they had to offer


oh, you might just have better beer shopping options. Here, the Whole Foods beer selection is about as good as we get
 
2013-09-29 09:43:09 PM  

skullkrusher: karmaceutical: Whole Foods does not open stores willy nilly in transitional neighborhoods.  They go where people care about what they eat, and have the money for it.

they can be rather timely in their openings. There's one that opened not so long ago on 96th and Columbus in Manhattan. That is still very much a transitional neighborhood but it's getting there and I'd imagine Whole Foods got a much better deal on their lease 5 years ago than they would today and even more so than they will 5 years from now.
I don't think they're waiting to open in established areas only. They are in those but not exclusively


I'd imagine that the challenges of launching a big retail store in Manhattan are not like other places.  Maybe they had to compromise?
 
2013-09-29 09:45:40 PM  
Whole Foods is neither more expensive or cheaper than any of the other chains in my area and I live in a blue collar neighborhood.
 
2013-09-29 09:48:34 PM  

karmaceutical: Whole Foods does not open stores willy nilly in transitional neighborhoods.


Yeah. Piggly Wiggly opens stores willy nilly.
 
2013-09-29 09:48:42 PM  

karmaceutical: skullkrusher: karmaceutical: Whole Foods does not open stores willy nilly in transitional neighborhoods.  They go where people care about what they eat, and have the money for it.

they can be rather timely in their openings. There's one that opened not so long ago on 96th and Columbus in Manhattan. That is still very much a transitional neighborhood but it's getting there and I'd imagine Whole Foods got a much better deal on their lease 5 years ago than they would today and even more so than they will 5 years from now.
I don't think they're waiting to open in established areas only. They are in those but not exclusively

I'd imagine that the challenges of launching a big retail store in Manhattan are not like other places.  Maybe they had to compromise?


there are a few locations in Manhattan. I tihnk they're just going where they think the business will be and trying to stay ahead of the curve in this particular instance
 
2013-09-29 09:51:02 PM  
I hate Whole Foods and the entire corporatization of organic foods, as if something so healthy could be properly sold by megachain food warehouses. For me, the essence of food is in the growing and raising of it, and I've been doing that for years. I run a co-op with about 20 other people and we raise all kinds of organic (real organic, not corporate 'organic') vegetables. Occasionally we'll give some of the food to the homeless, especially when we're having a bumper crop.

This attempt to drive out the poor people in these neighborhoods is a terrible thing. People shouldn't be forced to move out just because rich white people want to move in. This is the kind of thing that happens when you value money more than culture.

Our co-op is a good example of how these poor people could grow their own (really) healthy foods instead of paying their whole paycheck to Whole Foods for subpar, fake organic foods.
 
2013-09-29 09:56:56 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: I hate Whole Foods and the entire corporatization of organic foods, as if something so healthy could be properly sold by megachain food warehouses. For me, the essence of food is in the growing and raising of it, and I've been doing that for years. I run a co-op with about 20 other people and we raise all kinds of organic (real organic, not corporate 'organic') vegetables. Occasionally we'll give some of the food to the homeless, especially when we're having a bumper crop.

This attempt to drive out the poor people in these neighborhoods is a terrible thing. People shouldn't be forced to move out just because rich white people want to move in. This is the kind of thing that happens when you value money more than culture.

Our co-op is a good example of how these poor people could grow their own (really) healthy foods instead of paying their whole paycheck to Whole Foods for subpar, fake organic foods.


man, these rich white folks moving in and turning formerly dangerous slums into nice places to raise kids as well as providing an economic boon for those neighborhoods sure are assholes. We should all be living in earthen mounds, actually. Damn rich folks and their stone and timber
 
2013-09-29 09:57:45 PM  
TFA: "Whole Foods keeps popping up in the damnedest places, most recently in the "poverty-stricken Englewood neighbourhood on Chicago's south side."

Reality: Whole Foods does not have a store in Englewood. It's not gonna happen. Whole Foods says they'll open a store there in 2016.

Whole Foods is only viable in neighborhoods where households earning $100K or more are the norm.
 
2013-09-29 09:58:23 PM  

skullkrusher: AverageAmericanGuy: I hate Whole Foods and the entire corporatization of organic foods, as if something so healthy could be properly sold by megachain food warehouses. For me, the essence of food is in the growing and raising of it, and I've been doing that for years. I run a co-op with about 20 other people and we raise all kinds of organic (real organic, not corporate 'organic') vegetables. Occasionally we'll give some of the food to the homeless, especially when we're having a bumper crop.

This attempt to drive out the poor people in these neighborhoods is a terrible thing. People shouldn't be forced to move out just because rich white people want to move in. This is the kind of thing that happens when you value money more than culture.

Our co-op is a good example of how these poor people could grow their own (really) healthy foods instead of paying their whole paycheck to Whole Foods for subpar, fake organic foods.

man, these rich white folks moving in and turning formerly dangerous slums into nice places to raise kids as well as providing an economic boon for those neighborhoods sure are assholes. We should all be living in earthen mounds, actually. Damn rich folks and their stone and timber


Stone and timber? In my day the rich folks had to make do with daub and wattle. And they were lucky to have it.
 
2013-09-29 09:59:21 PM  

skullkrusher: Smeggy Smurf: Their shiat is too damned expensive but damned do they have one hell of a fantastic cheese selection.

and beer


That sums up my whole foods runs... grab a few craft beers and some nice cheese and bee line to the registers.
 
2013-09-29 09:59:38 PM  

10up: Oh my god shut the hell up

I don't even know what that was about...  if you care about food, shop at farmers market, make your diet seasonal, teach it to your snowflakes, and try to support the grocery industry as little as possible.  Whole Foods... Wal Mart... Kroger... no difference.

heathens..


I'm pretty fortunate to live where there the farmer's markets are year round and to have the morning off on the one day a week they have it.
Everyone is not so lucky.

Of course, I'm not really sure I meet 10up's definition of "caring about food". I do enjoy cooking and eating and try to balance environmental and health concerns, cost, and convenience. I do this by eating a wide variety of foods from a wide variety of sources. My typical month has me shopping at farmer's markets, fruit stands, Whole Foods, Sprouts, Trader Joe's, Ralphs, Wal Mart and Target.
 
2013-09-29 10:00:17 PM  
"Terra incognita" is not "blank slate". Try "tabula rosa". Lame editor is lame.
 
2013-09-29 10:01:02 PM  
HEB's Central Market runs much less expensive circles around Whole Foods.

Twice the selection at half the price.  And a sommelier!   And lots of beer.
 
2013-09-29 10:01:58 PM  
Meh. Call me when they start carrying Mt Dew.
 
2013-09-29 10:05:05 PM  

bud jones: "Terra incognita" is not "blank slate". Try "tabula rosa". Lame editor is lame.


It's "tabula rossi"

/Pet Peave, Rotsky, etc...
 
2013-09-29 10:09:13 PM  

Krieghund: 10up: Oh my god shut the hell up

I don't even know what that was about...  if you care about food, shop at farmers market, make your diet seasonal, teach it to your snowflakes, and try to support the grocery industry as little as possible.  Whole Foods... Wal Mart... Kroger... no difference.

heathens..

I'm pretty fortunate to live where there the farmer's markets are year round and to have the morning off on the one day a week they have it.
Everyone is not so lucky.

Of course, I'm not really sure I meet 10up's definition of "caring about food". I do enjoy cooking and eating and try to balance environmental and health concerns, cost, and convenience. I do this by eating a wide variety of foods from a wide variety of sources. My typical month has me shopping at farmer's markets, fruit stands, Whole Foods, Sprouts, Trader Joe's, Ralphs, Wal Mart and Target.


you don't

but good work.. I think we're getting a Trader Joe's soon, I'm interested to see what influence they have on the local market.
 
2013-09-29 10:10:15 PM  
Go for their "loss leaders" their 365 brands. Like their olive oil; those are pretty good.
Their bulk section is also a good buy. Do you really need more than a cup of oats, almonds, walnuts etc?

While more expensive their fish is top quality from their fresh fish counter. Sushi grade tuna, and very very clean and fresh halibut. (Actually, with beef prices today; fish, even the 'expensive' stuff is good deal).

Just avoid the draw of buying daily stuff and dried goods; their veggies are over priced, their normal stock items are overpriced. Stop by wall mart and get salt, canned goods, flour, milk, bread, etc. Then WF's for just a few items.
 
2013-09-29 10:10:56 PM  

bud jones: "Terra incognita" is not "blank slate". Try "tabula rosa". Lame editor is lame.


"Tabula rosa" is "red (or pink) slate". "Tabula rasa" is blank slate.

/I suffer from terra cotta incognita. I have trouble recognizing pottery.
 
2013-09-29 10:12:24 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Their shiat is too damned expensive but damned do they have one hell of a fantastic cheese selection.


You get what you pay for. I shop at Whole Foods & Olivers Market (local version of whole foods) for meat, cheese and fresh vegatables.The quality is worth paying extra for.
 
2013-09-29 10:12:57 PM  

karmaceutical: Whole Foods does not open stores willy nilly in transitional neighborhoods.  They go where people care about what they eat, and have the money for it.


Whole Foods does not give a damn about the food they supply.  They are just catering to a particular type of customer.
 
2013-09-29 10:13:12 PM  
responsible corporate entity which pays decent wages and offers paid time off, retirement plans/profit sharing, health insurance and other benefits to generally low skilled laborers moves to poorer neighborhood and brings a decent employment option for those who don't have many while also indirectly fighting "food deserts" by its mere presence?

This is an outrage.
 
2013-09-29 10:14:46 PM  

Danger Avoid Death: bud jones: "Terra incognita" is not "blank slate". Try "tabula rosa". Lame editor is lame.

"Tabula rosa" is "red (or pink) slate". "Tabula rasa" is blank slate.

/I suffer from terra cotta incognita. I have trouble recognizing pottery.


I have panna cotta icognita. I can never recognize when I am getting my just desserts.
 
2013-09-29 10:15:08 PM  

Mad_Radhu: They gon' drive out the black element to make the galaxy quote, unquote, safe for white folks. And Jedi's the most insulting installment! Because Vader's beautiful black visage is sullied when he pulls off his mask to reveal a feeble, crusty, old white man! They tryin' to tell us that deep inside we all wants to be white!


i1.ytimg.com

"Well, isn't that true?"
 
2013-09-29 10:15:19 PM  

95BV5: Meh. Call me when they start carrying Mt Dew.


I shudder to think what a health food version of Mountain Dew would be like. I imagine green bits floating in it.
 
2013-09-29 10:15:42 PM  
Manhattan Whole Foods are cheaper than or comparable to Gristedes and Food Emporium, and is cleaned enough that it looks like someone gives a shiat about making the store presentable.

As for gentrification, sorry your neighborhood doesn't suck anymore.  Remember: make sure to blame people for our neighborhood sucking and being in a "food desert," but make sure to also blame them if they improve it to the point other people want to live there.
 
2013-09-29 10:16:42 PM  

skullkrusher: Danger Avoid Death: bud jones: "Terra incognita" is not "blank slate". Try "tabula rosa". Lame editor is lame.

"Tabula rosa" is "red (or pink) slate". "Tabula rasa" is blank slate.

/I suffer from terra cotta incognita. I have trouble recognizing pottery.

I have panna cotta icognita. I can never recognize when I am getting my just desserts.


I like a little tropical fruit with mine. That's right, banana panna terra cotta incognita.
 
2013-09-29 10:17:36 PM  
Why do they charge so much for their hippie food? Don't they get it that hippies don't have any money?
 
2013-09-29 10:18:16 PM  

Danger Avoid Death: skullkrusher: Danger Avoid Death: bud jones: "Terra incognita" is not "blank slate". Try "tabula rosa". Lame editor is lame.

"Tabula rosa" is "red (or pink) slate". "Tabula rasa" is blank slate.

/I suffer from terra cotta incognita. I have trouble recognizing pottery.

I have panna cotta icognita. I can never recognize when I am getting my just desserts.

I like a little tropical fruit with mine. That's right, banana panna terra cotta incognita.


shiat, now I'm hungry

/and tongue twisted from reading that aloud
 
2013-09-29 10:19:10 PM  

macdaddy357: Why do they charge so much for their hippie food? Don't they get it that hippies don't have any money?


lots of hippies grow up and do though
 
2013-09-29 10:21:50 PM  

macdaddy357: Why do they charge so much for their hippie food? Don't they get it that hippies don't have any money?


The only "Hippies" I see at WFs are the employees.

Most of the customers are upper-class white women dripping with diamonds and smugness on their way back to their Lexus.
 
2013-09-29 10:22:57 PM  

macdaddy357: Why do they charge so much for their hippie food? Don't they get it that hippies don't have any money?


From what it appears, many hippies came from privileged backgrounds, much like hipsters of today.

/maybe I'm wrong. Whatever.
 
2013-09-29 10:25:33 PM  
I keep it real in whole food parking lots.
 
2013-09-29 10:26:04 PM  

optikeye: macdaddy357: Why do they charge so much for their hippie food? Don't they get it that hippies don't have any money?

The only "Hippies" I see at WFs are the employees.

Most of the customers are upper-class white women dripping with diamonds and smugness on their way back to their Lexus.


that smugness is imagined, isn't it?
 
2013-09-29 10:27:25 PM  

Daniels: Remember: make sure to blame people for our neighborhood sucking and being in a "food desert," but make sure to also blame them if they improve it to the point other people want to live there.


Well, blaming has become the American Way, after all.

/I blame the lawyers.
 
2013-09-29 10:31:04 PM  

skullkrusher: that smugness is imagined, isn't it?


I wish. I like Whole Foods, but their customers can be annoyingly entitled.
 
2013-09-29 10:32:32 PM  
I hate smug people who buy what they want to with money that they have.  They nerve of some people.
 
2013-09-29 10:33:06 PM  

Krieghund: skullkrusher: that smugness is imagined, isn't it?

I wish. I like Whole Foods, but their customers can be annoyingly entitled.


more of a TJ's man myself but that's only by convenience.
 
2013-09-29 10:35:06 PM  

Apik0r0s: Whole Foods customers are the Who's Who of people to go up on the wall.


Indeed.  People should shop at stores with roaches and moldy produce just because.
 
2013-09-29 10:35:43 PM  

mrlewish: karmaceutical: Whole Foods does not open stores willy nilly in transitional neighborhoods.  They go where people care about what they eat, and have the money for it.

Whole Foods does not give a damn about the food they supply.  They are just catering to a particular type of customer.


Right, and that customer cares about what they eat. So karmaceutical's original statement stands.
Yours does too, of course. You don't see them moving into neighborhoods with poor folks that care what they eat.
 
2013-09-29 10:39:05 PM  

Krieghund: skullkrusher: that smugness is imagined, isn't it?

I wish. I like Whole Foods, but their customers can be annoyingly entitled.


You mean WalMart shoppers
 
2013-09-29 10:40:13 PM  

skullkrusher: more of a TJ's man myself but that's only by convenience.


I really like TJ's too, but their produce sucks. Whole Foods can pick up that slack.
 
2013-09-29 10:41:35 PM  

Daniels: Apik0r0s: Whole Foods customers are the Who's Who of people to go up on the wall.

Indeed.  People should shop at stores with roaches and moldy produce just because.


Hey, don't turn this into a Dollar General thread.
 
2013-09-29 10:42:31 PM  

Krieghund: skullkrusher: more of a TJ's man myself but that's only by convenience.

I really like TJ's too, but their produce sucks. Whole Foods can pick up that slack.


TJ's brand stuff is great. Load up on their pre-prepared stuff, dry goods, etc. Fresh Direct and farmer's markets for produce, meat, etc
 
2013-09-29 10:45:37 PM  
I was at a Whole Foods in Portland (Me) a couple weeks ago and saw a bunch of white people with dreadlocks and a couple black people with pompadours. Really shattered some stereotypes.

Oh, and why do people who shop at Whole Foods look more like museum patrons than grocery shoppers? You're not staring at a Dali exhibit, you're picking out broccoli, what's with the forced thoughtful gaze and the chin rubbing??
 
2013-09-29 10:46:19 PM  

420Gabriel: Smeggy Smurf: Their shiat is too damned expensive but damned do they have one hell of a fantastic cheese selection.

You get what you pay for. I shop at Whole Foods & Olivers Market (local version of whole foods) for meat, cheese and fresh vegatables.The quality is worth paying extra for.


Why hello, my SR neighbor.

/near College & North
 
2013-09-29 10:46:40 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: I hate Whole Foods and the entire corporatization of organic foods, as if something so healthy could be properly sold by megachain food warehouses. For me, the essence of food is in the growing and raising of it, and I've been doing that for years. I run a co-op with about 20 other people and we raise all kinds of organic (real organic, not corporate 'organic') vegetables. Occasionally we'll give some of the food to the homeless, especially when we're having a bumper crop.

This attempt to drive out the poor people in these neighborhoods is a terrible thing. People shouldn't be forced to move out just because rich white people want to move in. This is the kind of thing that happens when you value money more than culture.

Our co-op is a good example of how these poor people could grow their own (really) healthy foods instead of paying their whole paycheck to Whole Foods for subpar, fake organic foods.




This is why people hate the the organic food crowd. Organic has no health or environmental benefits. Yet it's held up on a pedestal. Maybe we should make all agriculture organic. That way the poor starve to death in the third world.
 
2013-09-29 10:47:50 PM  

Krieghund: mrlewish: karmaceutical: Whole Foods does not open stores willy nilly in transitional neighborhoods.  They go where people care about what they eat, and have the money for it.

Whole Foods does not give a damn about the food they supply.  They are just catering to a particular type of customer.

Right, and that customer cares about what they eat. So karmaceutical's original statement stands.
Yours does too, of course. You don't see them moving into neighborhoods with poor folks that care what they eat.


And why would they?

I can get a great pineapple at whole foods, and it probably costs me like $7.  I can get a pineapple at Publix, and it may be good... or it may be terrible... but it only costs $5.  Walmart has them for $4, but they are pretty pale and tart.  To me, it is worth $2 to get a consistently good pineapple.  There is a store for everybody.
 
2013-09-29 10:48:56 PM  

karmaceutical: I hate smug people who buy what they want to with money that they have.  They nerve of some people.


I have you farkied as "bounce house drug president".

Wish I could remember what that shiat was about, eheh.
 
2013-09-29 10:51:02 PM  

coachellette: karmaceutical: I hate smug people who buy what they want to with money that they have.  They nerve of some people.

I have you farkied as "bounce house drug president".

Wish I could remember what that shiat was about, eheh.


Would it shock that I do remember?
 
2013-09-29 10:52:42 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: skullkrusher: Smeggy Smurf: Their shiat is too damned expensive but damned do they have one hell of a fantastic cheese selection.

and beer

Not in Boise.  It's better than the others but it's still a damned shame what they had to offer


It's still a lot better than some of the other Winning Companies....
 
2013-09-29 10:53:06 PM  
Came here to harp about terra incognita being translated and used improperly, found the horse already beaten and buried.
 
2013-09-29 10:56:14 PM  
Whore Foods most recently gentrified Fascist Island in Newport Beach and it's done a fantastic job lending that je ne sais quois to the blighted gated community of multimillion dollar mansions on Newport Beach Country Club golf course. It's right across the street from PIMCO so there are always some amusing jokes about the poor bastards slaving away at second rate Goldman Sachs before they hop back in their convertible Bentleys for the 5 minute commute to their waterfront homes and 100 foot yachts on Balboa Island.
 
2013-09-29 10:56:49 PM  

Ruiizu: Came here to harp about terra incognita being translated and used improperly, found the horse already beaten and buried.


Have a banana.
 
2013-09-29 10:58:30 PM  

Krieghund: skullkrusher: more of a TJ's man myself but that's only by convenience.

I really like TJ's too, but their produce sucks. Whole Foods can pick up that slack.


Our TJ's has great produce, just as fresh as Whole Foods and less expensive. An their meat selection is good, too.
 
2013-09-29 10:58:55 PM  
FTFA: "An unlikely urban pioneer, Whole Foods would appear to be leading the charge to remake city neighborhoods into dens of conspicuous consumption. What did this upscale supermarket smell in East Liberty (Pittsburgh) way back in 2001? "

No, Whole Foods in the Eastside development is not in East Liberty (poor and black) but in Shadyside (richest white neighborhood), right on the border of East Liberty. There is a bunch of new retail space developed on Penn ave in central East Liberty  almost all of which still doesn't have tenants - i guess because an upscale small store doesn't make sense in a poor black area because white folks won't want to drive there.
pbs.twimg.com
 
2013-09-29 11:03:51 PM  

karmaceutical: coachellette: karmaceutical: I hate smug people who buy what they want to with money that they have.  They nerve of some people.

I have you farkied as "bounce house drug president".

Wish I could remember what that shiat was about, eheh.

Would it shock that I do remember?


Nothing shocks me. Now tell me what it was.
 
2013-09-29 11:08:05 PM  

OscarTamerz: Whore Foods most recently gentrified Fascist Island in Newport Beach and it's done a fantastic job lending that je ne sais quois to the blighted gated community of multimillion dollar mansions on Newport Beach Country Club golf course. It's right across the street from PIMCO so there are always some amusing jokes about the poor bastards slaving away at second rate Goldman Sachs before they hop back in their convertible Bentleys for the 5 minute commute to their waterfront homes and 100 foot yachts on Balboa Island.


They need a telethon.
 
2013-09-29 11:14:15 PM  

10up: Oh my god shut the hell up

I don't even know what that was about...  if you care about food, shop at farmers market, make your diet seasonal, teach it to your snowflakes, and try to support the grocery industry as little as possible.  Whole Foods... Wal Mart... Kroger... no difference.

heathens..


You're assuming that you live in an area with access to a farmer's market, or that you're available to shop the day(s) that it's open if you do.  There are a lot of places without that luxury.

Mid_mo_mad_man:
This is why people hate the the organic food crowd. Organic has no health or environmental benefits. Yet it's held up on a pedestal. Maybe we should make all agriculture organic. That way the poor starve to death in the third world.


Is Whole Foods thing mainly about organic or about higher quality goods?  I don't really care about organic, but I'll take a tomato grown locally and shipped to the market ripe vs one from South America picked green and chemically 'ripened' any day.  I don't have a Whole Foods around here, but there is a Fresh Market, which is similar.  They have a lot of high end specialty products that you won't find at Publix of Sweetbay, they have higher quality meat, they have a better cheese selection, and they have very nice produce.  It's more expensive, and they do push some organic stuff, but the big draw for me is higher quality products vs. organic stuff.
 
2013-09-29 11:16:30 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: 10up: Oh my god shut the hell up

I don't even know what that was about...  if you care about food, shop at farmers market, make your diet seasonal, teach it to your snowflakes, and try to support the grocery industry as little as possible.  Whole Foods... Wal Mart... Kroger... no difference.

heathens..

You're assuming that you live in an area with access to a farmer's market, or that you're available to shop the day(s) that it's open if you do.  There are a lot of places without that luxury.

Mid_mo_mad_man:
This is why people hate the the organic food crowd. Organic has no health or environmental benefits. Yet it's held up on a pedestal. Maybe we should make all agriculture organic. That way the poor starve to death in the third world.


Is Whole Foods thing mainly about organic or about higher quality goods?  I don't really care about organic, but I'll take a tomato grown locally and shipped to the market ripe vs one from South America picked green and chemically 'ripened' any day.  I don't have a Whole Foods around here, but there is a Fresh Market, which is similar.  They have a lot of high end specialty products that you won't find at Publix of Sweetbay, they have higher quality meat, they have a better cheese selection, and they have very nice produce.  It's more expensive, and they do push some organic stuff, but the big draw for me is higher quality products vs. organic stuff.


Whole Foods is mainly about kept wives and hipsters being seen by other kept wives and hipsters. Seriously.
 
2013-09-29 11:17:24 PM  

coachellette: karmaceutical: coachellette: karmaceutical: I hate smug people who buy what they want to with money that they have.  They nerve of some people.

I have you farkied as "bounce house drug president".

Wish I could remember what that shiat was about, eheh.

Would it shock that I do remember?

Nothing shocks me. Now tell me what it was.


All I can recall is somehow or another a discussion about bounce houses on shrooms developed.  And also something about fellow travelers needing to be reminded that we were still connected to terra firma, so a specifically "non-bounce" zone would need to be maintained.  It was probably funnier back then...
 
2013-09-29 11:22:15 PM  
Whole Foods I get.  Not my style, too pricey but yeah, they have good selections of certain things and plenty of quality.   What totally perplexes me is Trader Joes.  Fark that place, I'd rather just go to a real grocery then pay a dominatrix or dentist if I still want pain and denial.  The last time I went in one I was like OK, fine, probably not as bad as I remember, and they didn't have any hamburger buns.  So I went to the gas station which had them.  Jeebus how worthless can a store be?
 
2013-09-29 11:24:48 PM  

karmaceutical: coachellette: karmaceutical: coachellette: karmaceutical: I hate smug people who buy what they want to with money that they have.  They nerve of some people.

I have you farkied as "bounce house drug president".

Wish I could remember what that shiat was about, eheh.

Would it shock that I do remember?

Nothing shocks me. Now tell me what it was.

All I can recall is somehow or another a discussion about bounce houses on shrooms developed.  And also something about fellow travelers needing to be reminded that we were still connected to terra firma, so a specifically "non-bounce" zone would need to be maintained.  It was probably funnier back then...


Yes. Unless I'm creating memories, you also said something along the lines of either suggested or mandatory use of hallucinogens if you were president. Regardless of whether you said it, you've got my vote.
 
2013-09-29 11:25:57 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I was at a Whole Foods in Portland (Me) a couple weeks ago and saw a bunch of white people with dreadlocks and a couple black people with pompadours. Really shattered some stereotypes.

Oh, and why do people who shop at Whole Foods look more like museum patrons than grocery shoppers? You're not staring at a Dali exhibit, you're picking out broccoli, what's with the forced thoughtful gaze and the chin rubbing??


Maybe they're high. Y'ever think about broccoli? I mean like *really* think about broccoli? Dude.
 
2013-09-29 11:31:19 PM  

coachellette: karmaceutical: coachellette: karmaceutical: coachellette: karmaceutical: I hate smug people who buy what they want to with money that they have.  They nerve of some people.

I have you farkied as "bounce house drug president".

Wish I could remember what that shiat was about, eheh.

Would it shock that I do remember?

Nothing shocks me. Now tell me what it was.

All I can recall is somehow or another a discussion about bounce houses on shrooms developed.  And also something about fellow travelers needing to be reminded that we were still connected to terra firma, so a specifically "non-bounce" zone would need to be maintained.  It was probably funnier back then...

Yes. Unless I'm creating memories, you also said something along the lines of either suggested or mandatory use of hallucinogens if you were president. Regardless of whether you said it, you've got my vote.


Yep.  Conservative people should have a go with shrooms.  I would indeed run on that plank.  True then, true today.  Damn... I am smooth.
 
2013-09-29 11:33:56 PM  

Bacontastesgood: What totally perplexes me is Trader Joes. Fark that place, I'd rather just go to a real grocery then pay a dominatrix or dentist if I still want pain and denial. The last time I went in one I was like OK, fine, probably not as bad as I remember, and they didn't have any hamburger buns. So I went to the gas station which had them. Jeebus how worthless can a store be?


You're doing it wrong.

It's a boutique.  You go there to get a few unique things you can't find anywhere else.  It's not intended to fill your pantry.
 
2013-09-29 11:35:31 PM  
They just put a Whole Foods in down in Detroit, in an area which "didn't have any grocery stores" and gave it huge tax incentives to locate there.  They put it less than a mile and a half from an existing, family-owned, union-worked grocer.
 
2013-09-29 11:37:39 PM  

12349876: Bacontastesgood: What totally perplexes me is Trader Joes. Fark that place, I'd rather just go to a real grocery then pay a dominatrix or dentist if I still want pain and denial. The last time I went in one I was like OK, fine, probably not as bad as I remember, and they didn't have any hamburger buns. So I went to the gas station which had them. Jeebus how worthless can a store be?

You're doing it wrong.

It's a boutique.  You go there to get a few unique things you can't find anywhere else.  It's not intended to fill your pantry.


I literally fill my pantry there. They have everything I need, meat, dairy, produce, sauces/seasonings, and a few boxed dry goods.
 
2013-09-29 11:41:52 PM  
I usually shop at the local 33¢ store. Maybe for my wedding I'll consider upgrading to the 99¢ store, but I just can't afford those prices on a day-to-day basis.
 
2013-09-29 11:46:25 PM  

karmaceutical: Whole Foods does not open stores willy nilly in transitional neighborhoods.  They go where people care about what they eat, and have the money for it.


Tell that to Oakland.

/You've got no clue
 
2013-09-29 11:46:44 PM  

Daniels: Apik0r0s: Whole Foods customers are the Who's Who of people to go up on the wall.

Indeed.  People should shop at stores with roaches and moldy produce just because.


Nailed it! If it ain't Whole Foods, you're going to get roaches and moldy produce.

/Namaste.
 
2013-09-29 11:56:40 PM  
Yay, socially appropriate branding is awesome.  My corporate image smugness is so much better than yours, heathens.
 
2013-09-29 11:57:57 PM  

Iworkformsn: karmaceutical: Whole Foods does not open stores willy nilly in transitional neighborhoods.  They go where people care about what they eat, and have the money for it.

Tell that to Oakland.

/You've got no clue


True.. I have no clue about Oakland.  Don't know why anyone would go out of their way for one.
 
2013-09-30 12:26:26 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: 12349876: Bacontastesgood: What totally perplexes me is Trader Joes. Fark that place, I'd rather just go to a real grocery then pay a dominatrix or dentist if I still want pain and denial. The last time I went in one I was like OK, fine, probably not as bad as I remember, and they didn't have any hamburger buns. So I went to the gas station which had them. Jeebus how worthless can a store be?

You're doing it wrong.

It's a boutique.  You go there to get a few unique things you can't find anywhere else.  It's not intended to fill your pantry.

I literally fill my pantry there. They have everything I need, meat, dairy, produce, sauces/seasonings, and a few boxed dry goods.


Trader Joe's cinnamon-coated almonds and organic grape jam are farking amazing!

its not my top choice for food shopping though, that goes to Wegmans.
 
2013-09-30 12:50:38 AM  

karmaceutical: Krieghund: You don't see them moving into neighborhoods with poor folks that care what they eat.

And why would they?


Exactly.

karmaceutical: I can get a great pineapple at whole foods, and it probably costs me like $7.  I can get a pineapple at Publix, and it may be good... or it may be terrible... but it only costs $5.  Walmart has them for $4, but they are pretty pale and tart.  To me, it is worth $2 to get a consistently good pineapple.  There is a store for everybody.


Well, the choices for poor people that want high quality food are rather limited. Farmer's markets are good, but they tend to be hard for poor folks to get to.
Of course, for people that have space nothing is cheaper and better than growing your own.
 
2013-09-30 01:43:08 AM  
i never seen a Whole Foods ever in my life. I just go to Meijer's
 
2013-09-30 03:59:26 AM  
I've seen beer and cheese mentioned twice in the comments. If that's the criteria for a great market then fark Whole Foods. Go to Woodman's!

The cheese aisle...

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The beer aisle...

www.woodmans-food.com

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Seriously, their liquor department alone is the size of other entire stores!

/Wisconsin led the nation in binge drinking and morbid obesity for years
//Now you know why
 
2013-09-30 04:01:03 AM  
You should also read this...

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2013-09-30 04:19:29 AM  

optikeye: Go for their "loss leaders" their 365 brands. Like their olive oil; those are pretty good.
Their bulk section is also a good buy. Do you really need more than a cup of oats, almonds, walnuts etc?

While more expensive their fish is top quality from their fresh fish counter. Sushi grade tuna, and very very clean and fresh halibut. (Actually, with beef prices today; fish, even the 'expensive' stuff is good deal).

Just avoid the draw of buying daily stuff and dried goods; their veggies are over priced, their normal stock items are overpriced. Stop by wall mart and get salt, canned goods, flour, milk, bread, etc. Then WF's for just a few items.


That's the best way to work it. Yet I know plenty of people who make Whole Foods their only food shopping stop.
 
2013-09-30 05:33:02 AM  

Bacontastesgood: Whole Foods I get.  Not my style, too pricey but yeah, they have good selections of certain things and plenty of quality.   What totally perplexes me is Trader Joes.  Fark that place, I'd rather just go to a real grocery then pay a dominatrix or dentist if I still want pain and denial.  The last time I went in one I was like OK, fine, probably not as bad as I remember, and they didn't have any hamburger buns.  So I went to the gas station which had them.  Jeebus how worthless can a store be?


Trader Joe's is basically a fancier Aldi (owned by the same family -the Albrechts).
 
2013-09-30 07:15:14 AM  

meanmutton: They just put a Whole Foods in down in Detroit, in an area which "didn't have any grocery stores" and gave it huge tax incentives to locate there.  They put it less than a mile and a half from an existing, family-owned, union-worked grocer.


What grocery store was anywhere near the State Fairgrounds?
 
2013-09-30 08:17:47 AM  
You know, I'm a super libby lib pro safety net and public assistance kind of guy.

But, let's face it. Poor people tend to destroy the areas where they live, trash, graffiti etc. If wealthy folks want to move in and fix up the place, go for it. Nothing lost.
 
2013-09-30 10:37:38 AM  

illannoyin: I've seen beer and cheese mentioned twice in the comments. If that's the criteria for a great market then fark Whole Foods. Go to Woodman's!

The cheese aisle...

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The beer aisle...

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Seriously, their liquor department alone is the size of other entire stores!

/Wisconsin led the nation in binge drinking and morbid obesity for years
//Now you know why


People like the WF cheese aisle because it has variety and quality.

From the photos you posted, it looks like they just have a high quantity of a few generic cheeses
 
2013-09-30 11:03:14 AM  

macdaddy357: Why do they charge so much for their hippie food? Don't they get it that hippies don't have any money?


What are you talking about? Hippies have trust funds. How do you think they can afford their glass blowing supplies and Sedona retreats?
 
2013-09-30 02:03:21 PM  
I can never remember.  Am I supposed to hate Whole Foods more than Wal-Mart?
 
2013-09-30 03:48:37 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: This attempt to drive out the poor people in these neighborhoods is a terrible thing. People shouldn't be forced to move out just because rich white people want to move in. This is the kind of thing that happens when you value money more than culture.



31.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-09-30 05:52:55 PM  

stuhayes2010: That's what gentrification is subby.  Kick out the poor.  Move in the upper crust.


lolno
 
2013-09-30 05:55:32 PM  

stuhayes2010: That's what gentrification is subby.  Kick out the poor.  Move in the upper crust.


o wait
you must mean that some people are only allowed to live in certain areas

ya, that's much better
 
2013-10-01 01:30:12 AM  

Sir Cumference the Flatulent: Trader Joe's is basically a fancier Aldi (owned by the same family -the Albrechts).


Thank you, this is much more informative than Mr "you're doing it wrong" upthread (no assface, the store is doing it wrong).  Aldi indeed sucks worse than TJs, I'll allow that much.

illannoyin: I've seen beer and cheese mentioned twice in the comments. If that's the criteria for a great market then fark Whole Foods. Go to Woodman's!


I've never heard of Woodman's but you're still right.   I travel like ten x a year around the US.  Most everywhere, there is a local supermarket chain that has a ridiculously good selection and reasonable prices.  There are a few shiatholes where Wal*Mart has screwed everyone else, but otherwise, just go to the local xyz and you're set for whatever cheese, beer, wine, fresh pasta, deli goods, produce, etc etc.
 
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