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(NPR)   Having online conversations is crippling our ability to have in-person conversations   (npr.org) divider line 11
    More: Obvious, digital native, Sherry Turkle, Toronto International Film Festival, conversations, John Cacioppo  
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3516 clicks; posted to Main » on 30 Sep 2013 at 1:18 AM (1 year ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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2013-09-29 10:56:40 PM  
3 votes:
That presupposes we had the ability to have in-person conversations to begin with.
2013-09-29 09:35:00 PM  
2 votes:
Yes, but on the other hand, how many folks are learning to excel at writing interactive erotica? Skill sets, people. Folks are building skill sets...
2013-09-30 02:54:54 AM  
1 votes:

Huck And Molly Ziegler: Seventy-five to 100 years ago, if you had what was then regarded as a superior high school education, I daresay you'd blow the intellectual doors off of most superior high school education graduates of today.

I think what I'm trying to say is, back in that time frame (and before) the educational "highs" were higher than ours are today, but the educational "lows" then were also lower, i.e., illiteracy was more common across the board. Of course, there were a lot more jobs that allowed for those lower standards.

The Internet is an infinite encyclopedia.


Simple dilution. Having a small percentage of people going to school means the teachers can spend their time teaching them to read Plato and Socrates in their early teens, learning Latin names for animals, advanced mathematics, etc. This while the rest of society gets by with apprenticeships and farming. If you weren't one whom your parents knew they'd be sending to advanced schools(rich people) you'd be learning some sort of trade at a young age or working the family farm.

We've diluted the education system while simultaneously advancing technologically past where are minds are averagely capable. The 80% idiots who probably can't handle much more than farming or working a loom are thrust in with the 20% who can actually understand philosophy and math at a high level. And since we've automated much of the industries that historically have been tended to by that 80%, they have no where to go and we require more smart people to run and build the technology we've become used to. But the percentages haven't really changed. Most people are still as stupid as humans have always been. Until recently, the division of labor has been able to match that division of intelligence. Now it can't, and we've had a massive influx of stupid people being force-fed stuff they probably will never be able to learn simply because we don't know what else to do with them.

The "college for everyone" fad has exacerbated this. There are plenty of students out there who honestly would be better off learning to weld, fix cars, shingle a roof, or wire a house at an early age. College is going to be lost on them. But we've built college up as something everyone needs to do to be worth anything. So you have millions of people getting communications and liberal arts degrees, racking up tens of thousands of dollars in debt....only to figure out after school that they are pretty good at welding, fixing cars, and wiring houses, and that they  aren't good at the stuff their college degree was supposed to be teaching them.

No parent wants to be told "your son should start learning to mop floors, because that's all he'll probably ever amount to" even if it is the most true statement ever made.
2013-09-30 02:08:08 AM  
1 votes:
Infernalist:

The purest form of this internet honesty can be found on fourchan's /b/.   That's the human id laid bare for the world to see. Celebrated racism, sexism, glorification of death and disfigurement, mingled with bawl threads, boxxy love threads, and raids to avenge injured kittens.

And yet, when you strip away the bullshiat, /b/ is all about saying whatever they feel that they need to say, no matter how crude or taboo it might be.  It's a place where the taboos of society are washed away by a flood of acidic cynicism.


Going to any site where speech is more restricted feels so wrong now.  I see why reddit is the pile of shiat that it is.  So much fake sentiment in posts, so much... muzzled speech, and reddit is one of the more relatively open sites on the net.

Some of the most profound stuff I've read have been from 4chan, along with a good majority of the most mindless drivel and about 99% of the gayest stuff I've ever seen.  The profound stuff is worth putting up with the rest.

It's a pity so few others feel the same.
2013-09-30 01:48:33 AM  
1 votes:

spamdog: That_Dude: How is that different from what everyone has always done? People have always showed the world posturing bullshiat before the internet, you're just noticing it more now. There isn't a huge difference between Facebook and scrapbooking.

Well, the bullshiat is easy to cut through if you know the person in real life. In other venues on the internet, you can't easily tell whether the person is just a fat wanker with severe deficits of self-esteem by just looking at them.


On the other hand, you can't click 'ignore' on a person in RL and never have to hear their dribbling bullshiat ever again, either.
2013-09-30 01:47:59 AM  
1 votes:

kkinnison: I cannot even have a proper discussion anymore.  Too many people go into conversations KNOWING they are right, and refuse to listen to any evidence to the contrary.  if you point it our, they take it as a personal attack, and get all offended


A corollary to that is that everyone seems to have their own definition of logic which they are convinced is actually logical.
2013-09-30 01:38:59 AM  
1 votes:
I cannot even have a proper discussion anymore.  Too many people go into conversations KNOWING they are right, and refuse to listen to any evidence to the contrary.  if you point it our, they take it as a personal attack, and get all offended
2013-09-30 01:38:42 AM  
1 votes:

spamdog: I'm more worried that people are going to grow up believing the kind of posturing bullshiat that everyone posts online, resulting in very status-conscious and dishonest people.


How is that different from what everyone has always done?  People have always showed the world posturing bullshiat before the internet, you're just noticing it more now.  There isn't a huge difference between Facebook and scrapbooking.
2013-09-29 11:22:30 PM  
1 votes:
I wonder if this old man yelled at the clouds back when the telephone showed up as the new fangled, impersonal, social-skill stunting communication medium?

/brb, just need to copy/paste my son's bedtime story to him again
2013-09-29 11:01:24 PM  
1 votes:
That's because I don't want to actually meet any of you.  I read Craigslist, I know how these irl meet-ups work.
2013-09-29 09:41:03 PM  
1 votes:
I generally defend the younger folks every time we have a Bash the Millennial thread but I do have a complaint: none of them can say more than two sentences in a row on the same subject.

I'm gonna guess college students no longer have hours long, substance infused philosophical discussions these days.
 
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