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2013-09-29 02:36:26 PM  

Mattoon: Another example of the "Religion of Peace".  Why is it that when Muslims murder other people, media outlets avoid "Islam" or "Muslims" in the headline, and instead mention their country?   It's almost like the liberal media doesn't want people to realize about Islam.....oh, never mind.


ZOMG DHIMMEDIA!!!1!
 
2013-09-29 02:42:22 PM  

Mrbogey: It seems like the article just talks about it but doesn't actually do much to establish the religious motivations behind the bulk of American mass shootings.


I wasn't attempting to show any religious motivation behind the shooters, just point out their religion. The point is that when a Muslim carries out an atrocity, it's automatically attributed to "Islamic fundamentalism", but when a Christian does the same thing, it's because he was crazy and had NOTHING to do with his religion (even when it is someone such as Eric Rudolph whose motivations were clearly due to his religious beliefs.)

Mrbogey: Do you have evidence that America in Nigeria, this university in particular, was doing such?


Of course not, and I do not believe it to be the case. However, my point was that automatically attributing the motivations of those who carry out any kind of terroristic attack to "islamic fundamentalism", or subscribing to the mistaken belief that getting rid of Islam will eliminate these kinds of attacks is seriously misguided and inaccurate.

Mrbogey: Yes, it screws up how the Taliban was actually formed.


Would you argue that "they hate us for our freedoms/ failure to subscribe to their religion" is more accurate?

Mrbogey: You're moving goalposts. Why aren't Chinese nationals attacking the US/UK due to the Opium Wars?


Because China won the "opium wars" (they got the West out of their lives), and they're strong enough as a people that their government isn't being bought out anymore to a large degree by outside influences. The reason they're not big on religion is precisely the same reason Saddam Hussein ran a secular nation tolerant of Christianity - Saddam/the Chinese Communist Party did not want any religious leaders criticizing their actions, or possibly influencing the people more so than themselves.

I don't think it is "moving the goalposts" to suggest that if any religious people were oppressed and mistreated enough by an outside power, they might find extremists in any religion who suggest it is one's duty to their god to fight the infidels, as well as many people who will listen. It just so happens that the Middle East is predominately Muslim, and it is an accident of geography (read:proximity to Russia) and natural resources (read:oil) that other countries are not acting in their best interests. Did not our own fight against oppression (the American Revolution) reference God and religion (in the Declaration of Independence) in such a way that made it seem as if King George were going against the will of "their Creator"?
 
2013-09-29 02:43:36 PM  

Mrbogey: I like their anglicized name- The Congregation and People of Tradition for Proselytism and Jihad.

Whole lot of proselytism going on. And people thought proselytizers in the US were jerks.


Still reminds me of that Lord of War quote: "Every faction in Africa calls themselves by these noble names - Liberation this, Patriotic that, Democratic Republic of something-or-other... I guess they can't own up to what they usually are: the Federation of Worse Oppressors Than the Last Bunch of Oppressors. Often, the most barbaric atrocities occur when both combatants proclaim themselves Freedom Fighters."
 
2013-09-29 02:48:02 PM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: Mattoon: Another example of the "Religion of Peace".  Why is it that when Muslims murder other people, media outlets avoid "Islam" or "Muslims" in the headline, and instead mention their country?   It's almost like the liberal media doesn't want people to realize about Islam.....oh, never mind.

ZOMG DHIMMEDIA!!!1!


So the poll surveying what news network people watched and if they thought Saddam Hussein had any connection to 9/11 was just "dhimmedia?"
 
2013-09-29 02:48:02 PM  

USP .45: sheep snorter: in 'Murica, the rightwing governments just replace factual teachings with creationism and herpaderp. It helps to keep people stupid in order to create new cannon fodder for idiotic wars for oil and religious supremacy.

One of the dumbest thing I've read all year. It's so wrong, that to understand how wrong it is, I had to go back and think about what other untruths you must believe, and the total lack of critical thinking that helped you arrive there. It would take an essay just to address how truly stupid just your first sentence is.


Fine, granted.

But, address the second sentence (my emphasis in bold) and you find that it's the basis of all western politics, regardless of which side. (prove me wrong - in less than an essay, plz)
 
2013-09-29 02:49:24 PM  

Mattoon: Another example of the "Religion of Peace".  Why is it that when Muslims murder other people, media outlets avoid "Islam" or "Muslims" in the headline, and instead mention their country?   It's almost like the liberal media doesn't want people to realize about Islam.....oh, never mind.


So why no focus on the religious affiliations of people like Eric Rudolph or Wade Michael Page? How about the IRA, or the Soweto Bombings in South Africa? It's almost like the liberal media doesn't want people to realize about Christianity... oh, never mind.
 
2013-09-29 02:52:51 PM  

strife: Mrbogey: I like their anglicized name- The Congregation and People of Tradition for Proselytism and Jihad.

Whole lot of proselytism going on. And people thought proselytizers in the US were jerks.

Still reminds me of that Lord of War quote: "Every faction in Africa calls themselves by these noble names - Liberation this, Patriotic that, Democratic Republic of something-or-other... I guess they can't own up to what they usually are: the Federation of Worse Oppressors Than the Last Bunch of Oppressors. Often, the most barbaric atrocities occur when both combatants proclaim themselves Freedom Fighters."


If I were ever to create a militant faction in an armed uprising, I would call it something along the lines of NABATOG: "Not As Bad As The Other Guys", and actually try to be that.
 
2013-09-29 02:54:18 PM  

ox45tallboy: I wasn't attempting to show any religious motivation behind the shooters, just point out their religion. The point is that when a Muslim carries out an atrocity, it's automatically attributed to "Islamic fundamentalism", but when a Christian does the same thing, it's because he was crazy and had NOTHING to do with his religion (even when it is someone such as Eric Rudolph whose motivations were clearly due to his religious beliefs.)


A group of Muslims who do something and say they did it because of Islam can't be taken at their word? These aren't non-muslims saying they did this due to religion. This is what they're saying. Nobody's saying Eric Rudolph did what he did free of religion. It's acknowledged he's a religious assailant. The assertion made was that mass shootings in America are because of Christianity.

ox45tallboy: Of course not, and I do not believe it to be the case. However, my point was that automatically attributing the motivations of those who carry out any kind of terroristic attack to "islamic fundamentalism", or subscribing to the mistaken belief that getting rid of Islam will eliminate these kinds of attacks is seriously misguided and inaccurate.


Again, you fall back to arguing that we can't take their word for why they commit these attacks.

ox45tallboy: Would you argue that "they hate us for our freedoms/ failure to subscribe to their religion" is more accurate?


They're both equally inaccurate. They hate us for our heresy would be more accurate.

ox45tallboy: Because China won the "opium wars" (they got the West out of their lives)


You're farking with me, right? Right?
 
2013-09-29 02:55:30 PM  

strife: Mrbogey: I like their anglicized name- The Congregation and People of Tradition for Proselytism and Jihad.

Whole lot of proselytism going on. And people thought proselytizers in the US were jerks.

Still reminds me of that Lord of War quote: "Every faction in Africa calls themselves by these noble names - Liberation this, Patriotic that, Democratic Republic of something-or-other... I guess they can't own up to what they usually are: the Federation of Worse Oppressors Than the Last Bunch of Oppressors. Often, the most barbaric atrocities occur when both combatants proclaim themselves Freedom Fighters."


I sorta like the Hell's Angels. It's not like they're trying to make themselves look like the good guys.
 
2013-09-29 03:05:26 PM  

uttertosh: USP .45: sheep snorter: in 'Murica, the rightwing governments just replace factual teachings with creationism and herpaderp. It helps to keep people stupid in order to create new cannon fodder for idiotic wars for oil and religious supremacy.

One of the dumbest thing I've read all year. It's so wrong, that to understand how wrong it is, I had to go back and think about what other untruths you must believe, and the total lack of critical thinking that helped you arrive there. It would take an essay just to address how truly stupid just your first sentence is.

Fine, granted.

But, address the second sentence (my emphasis in bold) and you find that it's the basis of all western politics, regardless of which side. (prove me wrong - in less than an essay, plz)


I think he means that most Americans do understand the concept of evolution, and those who believe in young-earth creationism are in a (albeit very vocal) minority. Evolution is taught in our schools. We fund science research to discover more about the world around us. I believe this wave of religious conservatism is an aberration that will soon rectify itself when the Republican Party purges itself of the Tea Party.

But I do agree that religion has been used throughout recorded history to justify completely illogical actions (dying in a war, or worse, killing other people, especially the innocent) that further the goals of those in power.
 
2013-09-29 03:16:23 PM  
Hopefully someone already said this but, this is AFRICA people. Nations across the globe ship weapons to every militia and splinter group that exists on the continent. Arguing either side of gun control in regards to this tragedy and trying to tie it back to the debate in America is beyond retarded. Please, stop it.

Also, to the person above who said you don't see Catholics doing this, do a quick Google search on the Army of God and their mission to spread Catholicism throughout Uganda via murder. Let's just admit that Islam/any religion is just an excuse for violent, genocidal people to get their violent, genocidal tendencies out.
 
2013-09-29 03:16:59 PM  

uttertosh: But, address the second sentence (my emphasis in bold) and you find that it's the basis of all western politics, regardless of which side. (prove me wrong - in less than an essay, plz)


I won't try and prove you wrong for a comment you didn't make, but I'll address two key phrases.

Religious supremacy? I reject that outright. The Islamic caliphate spans half the globe and is taking up root very rapidly in "western" societies as those same societies drift from religion. If the west's policy is religious supremacy then it's so ineffectual that it fails to even be called a policy.

"Wars for oil." Trade agreements, disputes, and interruptions aren't new. The reason it's even an issue is because you have governments and people who have embraced globalization v. those who are hostile to it on political and religious grounds - Islamists. Imagine if most of the world's semiconductors came out of the middle east and you have radical elements trying to disrupt that trade. These things are too vital for daily life to not have freely available.
 
2013-09-29 03:20:27 PM  

Verdelak: Arguing either side of gun control in regards to this tragedy and trying to tie it back to the debate in America is beyond retarded. Please, stop it.


FTFY to apply to more fark threads.
 
2013-09-29 03:21:14 PM  

Mrbogey: A group of Muslims who do something and say they did it because of Islam can't be taken at their word? These aren't non-muslims saying they did this due to religion. This is what they're saying. Nobody's saying Eric Rudolph did what he did free of religion. It's acknowledged he's a religious assailant. The assertion made was that mass shootings in America are because of Christianity


Actually, no. My assertion was that most mass shooters in the United States were Christian. My other related assertion was that their religion had about as much to do with their horrible actions as the religion of people from the Middle East who finance and plan acts of terror - in other words, not much.

I followed this with the corollary that religion should not always be automatically assigned as the motivation for an atrocity when the perpetrator is one religion (Muslim) but not another (Christian). If we wish to assign blame based on religion, we should do it across the board, or we could wait for the facts to come in and realize that there is more to this "Muslims are terrorists" thing than what meets the eye.

Mrbogey: Again, you fall back to arguing that we can't take their word for why they commit these attacks.


Most all of those committing the worst atrocities are dead. What word?

If you mean the "mission statements" or whatever put out by the organization that trained them and plotted and financed the attack, then yes, I agree, you cannot take them at their word. They are in the business of recruiting more people for these attacks, not carrying them out themselves. If they really felt blowing yourself up and killing civilians was the highest duty you could do for your god, then they would be doing it themselves instead of trying to get other people to do it for them.

Mrbogey: They're both equally inaccurate. They hate us for our heresy would be more accurate.


No. No, no, no.

While some may "hate us for our heresy", do you really think someone who just wants to live their life, even to the glory of their god, is going to go commit suicide and kill other people just because they think the other people worship a false god? The usual profile for a suicide bomber is someone who has lost someone close to them (spouse, family member) through acts of war by the other side. It is not some person who has a stable home or family life, absent some kind of mental illness. They NEED some other reason to hate, to see the other side as devils, or they need to be mentally ill.

I repeat my assertion that they hate us for our actions, not for our beliefs.

Mrbogey: You're farking with me, right? Right?


China is a nuclear power and is the second largest economy in the world. They sell us cheap, lead-painted crap and we keep coming back for more. They trade openly with Iran, who is under UN sanctions due to their attempts at development of nuclear bombs.They fark with their currency exchange rates to keep up trade imbalances, and no one wants to do anything about it.

Opium trade carries life imprisonment or even the death penalty.

You really think they didn't win the "Opium Wars"?
 
2013-09-29 03:23:26 PM  
Cant we just all get along.
 
2013-09-29 03:23:39 PM  
Religious fanatics with guns, aka republicans.
 
2013-09-29 03:28:28 PM  

ox45tallboy: I think he means that most Americans do understand the concept of evolution, and those who believe in young-earth creationism are in a (albeit very vocal) minority. Evolution is taught in our schools. We fund science research to discover more about the world around us.


Yes, the fact that creationism is taught in some districts doesn't mean it's national policy, and more importantly, doesn't mean that all critical thinking skills go out the window. If you're taught creationism it doesn't mean you aren't taught mathematics, literature, and natural sciences - which all require a critical thought process. To say creationism is the reason our students are getting dumber is laughable. For a good student in a good school, it's nothing more than a foil for better, more correct ideas, just like other failed scientific theories of evolution are taught alongside Darwinism.
 
2013-09-29 03:41:51 PM  
Boko Harem needs to be a whiter shade of pale.

www.progarchives.com
 
2013-09-29 03:43:31 PM  
 

USP .45: To say creationism is the reason our students are getting dumber is laughable.


The mere existence of creationism is an indicator that our students are getting dumber, AND THAT IS NOT LAUGHABLE.
 
2013-09-29 03:49:04 PM  

Pharque-it: USP .45: To say creationism is the reason our students are getting dumber is laughable.

The mere existence of creationism is an indicator that our students are getting dumber, AND THAT IS NOT LAUGHABLE.


The students have no say in what their curriculum is and despite creationism being around a lot longer than scientific explanations, it's been increasingly rejected by students being properly educated. Creationism in western schools also isn't unique to the Americas. Your comment makes no sense whatsoever.
 
2013-09-29 03:49:10 PM  

zimbomba63: TheShavingofOccam123: For all of those who thought if you kill the head, the body dies...well, welcome to the real world. Killing OBL and most of the Al Qaeda leadership has done nothing to stop the spread of terror. In fact, the terror organizations have become just that--organizations. They mimic the big business entities that have raped natural resources and plundered weath in the Middle East.

Additionally, the global corporate giants and their biatch militaries have shiat on so many people in so many countries, we're never going to put out the flames. Just enjoy watching the fires burn.

I just knew, somehow, it had to be our fault.  Thanks for pointing out the reason why 40 students had to be massacred, clearly originated in the corporate boardrooms of the West.  I'm sure you are quickly rising to the top of this year's list of candidates, to win that most coveted award,  The Legion of Derp and Hurr, with a nice red sash, that reads "Shiat for Brains".


Why, you're so smart I bet you think we sent 1.5 million volunteers who witnessed the murder of thousands of Americans into a 10 year war in order to free the Iraqi people. Right...

consumersforpeace.org

Or the war would pay for itself through oil revenues. Right...

BP and China National Petroleum Company run Iraqi oil fields

http://www.bp.com/en/global/corporate/about-bp/bp-worldwide/bp-in-ir aq .html

Enjoy your next resource war. Make sure you buy plenty of BP and Halliburton.  And enjoy the global blowback from people who don't like being shot to pieces.
 
2013-09-29 04:17:42 PM  

Pharque-it: USP .45: To say creationism is the reason our students are getting dumber is laughable.

The mere existence of creationism is an indicator that our students are getting dumber, AND THAT IS NOT LAUGHABLE.


Statistically, the numbers of people who believe in Creationism have been the same for decades. How are people getting dumber when they're not changing their minds based on that single metric you push for it?
 
2013-09-29 04:29:11 PM  

Mrbogey: Pharque-it: USP .45: To say creationism is the reason our students are getting dumber is laughable.

The mere existence of creationism is an indicator that our students are getting dumber, AND THAT IS NOT LAUGHABLE.

Statistically, the numbers of people who believe in Creationism have been the same for decades. How are people getting dumber when they're not changing their minds based on that single metric you push for it?


citation please... or just an ass-pull?
 
2013-09-29 04:35:09 PM  

mark12A: Ain't Islam grand?



Yeah, it doesn't count when OUR fundies do it.
 
2013-09-29 04:35:57 PM  

Pharque-it: Mrbogey: Pharque-it: USP .45: To say creationism is the reason our students are getting dumber is laughable.

The mere existence of creationism is an indicator that our students are getting dumber, AND THAT IS NOT LAUGHABLE.

Statistically, the numbers of people who believe in Creationism have been the same for decades. How are people getting dumber when they're not changing their minds based on that single metric you push for it?

citation please... or just an ass-pull?


Gallup
whyevolutionistrue.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-09-29 04:37:39 PM  

davin: Brick-House: If I had the power to snapy fingers and have all Muslims vanish from the earth. Yes I would and I would sleep well at night. And no I do not believe this would solve all the worlds problems, just 80 to 90 percent of them.

We could solve another 15% by euthanizing all those people that categorize based on religious stereotype.


Don't be too hard on him.  It's pretty easy to think you have a simple solution to most of the world's problems when you're a blithering idiot.  It's a pretty common mistake.
 
2013-09-29 04:38:20 PM  

ciberido: mark12A: Ain't Islam grand?


Yeah, it doesn't count when OUR fundies do it.


Fundamentalist Christians do not kill 40 college students in their sleep, behead, rape, torture, etc.    Why, who told you different?
 
2013-09-29 04:40:26 PM  
Verdelak:  Please, stop it.

Also, to the person above who said you don't see Catholics doing this, do a quick Google search on the Army of God and their mission to spread Catholicism throughout Uganda via murder....

1. Its not accepted by other Catholics.
2. Its not lead by priests, bishops or quietly approved by the hierarchy.

3. I agree that Catholics can be  very violent e.g. the cartels.
 
2013-09-29 04:48:16 PM  

Mrbogey: Pharque-it: Mrbogey: Pharque-it: USP .45: To say creationism is the reason our students are getting dumber is laughable.

The mere existence of creationism is an indicator that our students are getting dumber, AND THAT IS NOT LAUGHABLE.

Statistically, the numbers of people who believe in Creationism have been the same for decades. How are people getting dumber when they're not changing their minds based on that single metric you push for it?

citation please... or just an ass-pull?

Gallup
[whyevolutionistrue.files.wordpress.com image 578x278]


OK, so (US) people are still equally dumb, in spite of scientific progress. That is not laughable..
 
2013-09-29 05:04:07 PM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: StarshipAngel: Weren't Boko Harem the guys who did that song "Whiter Shade of Pale" ?

No, it's that peaceful religion Kurt Vonnegut invented in Cat's Cradle.


Oh, you better believe it's the hook for you, heathen.
 
2013-09-29 05:17:33 PM  

USP .45: ox45tallboy: I think he means that most Americans do understand the concept of evolution, and those who believe in young-earth creationism are in a (albeit very vocal) minority. Evolution is taught in our schools. We fund science research to discover more about the world around us.

Yes, the fact that creationism is taught in some districts doesn't mean it's national policy, and more importantly, doesn't mean that all critical thinking skills go out the window. If you're taught creationism it doesn't mean you aren't taught mathematics, literature, and natural sciences - which all require a critical thought process. To say creationism is the reason our students are getting dumber is laughable. For a good student in a good school, it's nothing more than a foil for better, more correct ideas, just like other failed scientific theories of evolution are taught alongside Darwinism.


Since we're talking about schools that teach Creationism, your point is irrelevant to the real world.
 
2013-09-29 05:22:50 PM  

IronTom: ciberido: mark12A: Ain't Islam grand?


Yeah, it doesn't count when OUR fundies do it.

Fundamentalist Christians do not kill 40 college students in their sleep, behead, rape, torture, etc.    Why, who told you different?


IronTom: ciberido: mark12A: Ain't Islam grand?


Yeah, it doesn't count when OUR fundies do it.

Fundamentalist Christians do not kill 40 college students in their sleep, behead, rape, torture, etc.    Why, who told you different?


Someone already brought up these charming fellows, perhaps you missed it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord%27s_Resistance_Army
 
2013-09-29 05:51:36 PM  

Mister Peejay: Mrbogey: Sock Ruh Tease: The group called "Learning is Forbidden" attacked a college? Wow, how original.

Actually, it's not that simple. Boko apparently means "non-Islamic knowledge". Pretty much anything derived or generated by non-traditional Islamic groups is sinful. Apparently the idea that the world is round is a western plot to weaken Islam. Also the water cycle is un-Islamic. Rain comes from Allah not condensation!

indarwinsshadow: Anyone read the wiki on the group and it's leader.

"In a 2009 BBC interview, Mohammed Yusuf, then leader of the group, stated his belief that the concept of a spherical Earth is contrary to Islamic teaching and should be rejected, along with Darwinian evolution and the concept of rain originating from water evaporated by the sun."

Holy crap, I thought Mrbogey was exaggerating.

Good thing we don't have people like that on this half of the planet.

/oh... crap.


Yeah,I thought that too. Then I thought "Wasn't there a post yesterday or so about a religious group in Kansas suing to have their views taught as science in the local public schools?".
 
2013-09-29 05:56:41 PM  
If dumbasses want to keep living in the ass age, they should just go live in the desert or cave and not bother people trying to study to have a chance of a better life.
 
2013-09-29 06:34:52 PM  
The attack happened in a dorm College of Agriculture in Gujba

Attacking the people who possess the knowledge required to keep your farms producing, huh? Might want to talk to Zimbabwe first.
 
2013-09-29 07:50:14 PM  

PunGent: Someone already brought up these charming fellows, perhaps you missed it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord%27s_Resistance_Army



"B-b-b-b-but they're not real Christians!!!! I don't believe that way! No one I know believes that way! They're some crazy off-shoot!"

Most all Muslims worldwide: "Exactly."
 
2013-09-29 08:57:59 PM  
ox45tallboy: [opinion]

walkingtall: Every single statement made in this wall of text is laughably wrong. It is the absolute conviction and earnestness you seem to show that makes it scary. Nothing you wrote is right and if anyone agrees with you they are just as wrong as you are. Please dont anyone believe any of this.


Maybe ox45tallboy is totally wrong, but even if so, you've done nothing to convince me (nor anyone else in this thread, probably) of it.  I'm sorry, but "Please dont anyone believe any of this" doesn't cut it.  If you don't want us to believe ox45tallboy, then give us arguments showing WHY he's wrong.
 
2013-09-29 09:00:59 PM  

yookaloco: Phil Moskowitz: yookaloco: families of casualties.

why casualties? shouldn't they be seriouslies or something?

Interesting made up word. I'm not 100% on your point, but if I had to guess, it's that you are unfamiliar with the literal definition of casualty. This is not uncommon.

"In civilian usage the word "casualty" is properly used for a person who is killed, wounded or injured by some event, and is usually used to describe multiple deaths and injuries due to violent incidents or disasters. Casualties is sometimes loosely used or (mis)understood to mean fatalities, but non-fatal injuries are also casualties. "


Moreover, its etymology is from "chance," and its current meaning is pretty old.  There really isn't any reason why one would expect "casualty" to refer only to deaths.
 
2013-09-29 09:09:03 PM  
Tommy Moo: Pew Research put out a poll showing that about half of all Muslims worldwide think terrorism is morally acceptable to spread Islam.

You mean the 2013 Pew poll that found 72% of Muslims worldwide held that violence against civilians is never justified? That one?
 
2013-09-29 09:34:33 PM  

uber humper: Apik0r0s: [ecx.images-amazon.com image 224x346]
This book's predictions about Islam were dead nuts on.

Looks interesting. Too bad it's not out on kindle.


Yeah, I was going to check it out from the library but it doesn't carry it, and I'm not willing to pay money to read it.  Pity.
 
2013-09-29 10:31:48 PM  

seelorq: Tommy Moo: Pew Research put out a poll showing that about half of all Muslims worldwide think terrorism is morally acceptable to spread Islam.

You mean the 2013 Pew poll that found 72% of Muslims worldwide held that violence against civilians is never justified? That one?


This. If the anti-Muslim brigade ever bothered to..oh, I don't know..read the Quaran..they'd see that it EXPRESSLY FORBIDS the killing of women, children, the elderly, and other assorted non-combatants.
 
2013-09-29 10:48:30 PM  

grumpfuff: seelorq: Tommy Moo: Pew Research put out a poll showing that about half of all Muslims worldwide think terrorism is morally acceptable to spread Islam.

You mean the 2013 Pew poll that found 72% of Muslims worldwide held that violence against civilians is never justified? That one?

This. If the anti-Muslim brigade ever bothered to..oh, I don't know..read the Quaran..they'd see that it EXPRESSLY FORBIDS the killing of women, children, the elderly, and other assorted non-combatants.


On the other hand, it is a sad truth that many Mulsims, like many Christians, never seem to actually read what their holy book says.
 
2013-09-29 11:12:52 PM  

ciberido: grumpfuff: seelorq: Tommy Moo: Pew Research put out a poll showing that about half of all Muslims worldwide think terrorism is morally acceptable to spread Islam.

You mean the 2013 Pew poll that found 72% of Muslims worldwide held that violence against civilians is never justified? That one?

This. If the anti-Muslim brigade ever bothered to..oh, I don't know..read the Quaran..they'd see that it EXPRESSLY FORBIDS the killing of women, children, the elderly, and other assorted non-combatants.

On the other hand, it is a sad truth that many Mulsims, like many Christians, never seem to actually read what their holy book says.


Do you mean random practitioners or the crazy people who hide behind religion as a means to legitimize their political aspirations?
 
2013-09-29 11:15:56 PM  

ciberido: grumpfuff: seelorq: Tommy Moo: Pew Research put out a poll showing that about half of all Muslims worldwide think terrorism is morally acceptable to spread Islam.

You mean the 2013 Pew poll that found 72% of Muslims worldwide held that violence against civilians is never justified? That one?

This. If the anti-Muslim brigade ever bothered to..oh, I don't know..read the Quaran..they'd see that it EXPRESSLY FORBIDS the killing of women, children, the elderly, and other assorted non-combatants.

On the other hand, it is a sad truth that many Mulsims, like many Christians, never seem to actually read what their holy book says.


Good point.
 
2013-09-29 11:36:30 PM  

seelorq: Tommy Moo: Pew Research put out a poll showing that about half of all Muslims worldwide think terrorism is morally acceptable to spread Islam.

You mean the 2013 Pew poll that found 72% of Muslims worldwide held that violence against civilians is never justified? That one?


No, I mean the 2009 Pew poll that found that 48% of Muslims worldwide held that violence against civilians is sometimes or always justified in support of Islam. Maybe attitudes have changed in four years, but even so, it is completely unacceptable that 28% of Muslims still provide moral support to terrorists. Twenty. Eight. Percent. Stop pretending that it's a tiny fraction of fringe extremists. Muslim terrorists and their supporters are not our equivalent of the Westboro Baptist Church; they are the equivalent of our mainstream Evangelical Christian movement, with tens of millions of followers.
 
2013-09-29 11:53:09 PM  

mark12A: Ain't Islam grand?


/b-but but Abortion Clinics!!


Religion is farked up.
 
2013-09-29 11:54:37 PM  

Tommy Moo: seelorq: Tommy Moo: Pew Research put out a poll showing that about half of all Muslims worldwide think terrorism is morally acceptable to spread Islam.

You mean the 2013 Pew poll that found 72% of Muslims worldwide held that violence against civilians is never justified? That one?

No, I mean the 2009 Pew poll that found that 48% of Muslims worldwide held that violence against civilians is sometimes or always justified in support of Islam. Maybe attitudes have changed in four years, but even so, it is completely unacceptable that 28% of Muslims still provide moral support to terrorists. Twenty. Eight. Percent. Stop pretending that it's a tiny fraction of fringe extremists. Muslim terrorists and their supporters are not our equivalent of the Westboro Baptist Church; they are the equivalent of our mainstream Evangelical Christian movement, with tens of millions of followers.


It's almost like believing in bronze age gods is a sign of a greater gullibility.
 
2013-09-30 12:01:51 AM  

ciberido: grumpfuff: seelorq: Tommy Moo: Pew Research put out a poll showing that about half of all Muslims worldwide think terrorism is morally acceptable to spread Islam.

You mean the 2013 Pew poll that found 72% of Muslims worldwide held that violence against civilians is never justified? That one?

This. If the anti-Muslim brigade ever bothered to..oh, I don't know..read the Quaran..they'd see that it EXPRESSLY FORBIDS the killing of women, children, the elderly, and other assorted non-combatants.

On the other hand, it is a sad truth that many Mulsims, like many Christians, never seem to actually read what their holy book says.


There is also the basic maths which points out that if 72% say it is never justified then 28% can come up with a justification.

Whilst yes 28% is a minority of the whole, when the whole is approximately 1.5 billion it means that there are over 400,000,000 people out there that who can justify killing you because their invisible sky wizard said so.

And that is only one of the invisible sky wizard cults.
 
2013-09-30 12:12:42 AM  

Tommy Moo: seelorq: Tommy Moo: Pew Research put out a poll showing that about half of all Muslims worldwide think terrorism is morally acceptable to spread Islam.

You mean the 2013 Pew poll that found 72% of Muslims worldwide held that violence against civilians is never justified? That one?

No, I mean the 2009 Pew poll that found that 48% of Muslims worldwide held that violence against civilians is sometimes or always justified in support of Islam. Maybe attitudes have changed in four years, but even so, it is completely unacceptable that 28% of Muslims still provide moral support to terrorists. Twenty. Eight. Percent. Stop pretending that it's a tiny fraction of fringe extremists. Muslim terrorists and their supporters are not our equivalent of the Westboro Baptist Church; they are the equivalent of our mainstream Evangelical Christian movement, with tens of millions of followers.


Please help me...I can't seem to find your study. A link would be helpful. And that remainder 28% you cite doesn't mean they "support" "terrorism." How many 'muricans don't complain about collateral damage over there? Would you say they are therefore "supporting" the deaths of civilian noncombatants?
 
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