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2013-09-29 07:45:38 AM  
Pics or GTFO.
 
2013-09-29 08:10:09 AM  
Unless her name is Marla Hanson she's full of shiat. The world is full of people that have nothing at all going for them, and if we take her at her word she's beautiful AND smart (I read the farking article)? She can shut up and die. Her problems are all her own.
 
433 [TotalFark]
2013-09-29 08:48:19 AM  
She cannot write intelligently.  "I got, I got, I got..."
Also, to be maimed, one would need to be physically disfigured, permanently.
 
2013-09-29 08:52:20 AM  
Yeah I was thinking it was going to be some Afghan/Pakistani acid attack victim. So my sympathy for her is slightly lessened.

However if she's hot i'll let her get away with it.
 
2013-09-29 09:04:52 AM  
To quote the wise Denis Leary: life sucks, buy a helmet.

/Then you can join the lingerie football league and beat those looks down to a manageable level.
 
2013-09-29 09:09:58 AM  
We have these kinds of articles occasionally. Usually with meh pics. Narcissistic Personality Disorder, all of them.
 
2013-09-29 09:26:19 AM  
♫ You coax the blues right
Out of the horn, Maimed ♫
 
2013-09-29 09:27:55 AM  
img.fark.net
 
2013-09-29 09:49:12 AM  
Must be her time of the month. Also, delusional. Can she make a sammich?
 
2013-09-29 09:49:58 AM  
She sounds like a stuck up biacth
 
2013-09-29 09:50:09 AM  
Tihs is why I've never have, and never will get married...
 
2013-09-29 09:50:26 AM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Unless her name is Marla Hanson she's full of shiat. The world is full of people that have nothing at all going for them, and if we take her at her word she's beautiful AND smart (I read the farking article)? She can shut up and die. Her problems are all her own.


And we're done.
 
2013-09-29 09:52:33 AM  
She sounds fat.
 
2013-09-29 09:52:54 AM  
She has "a genius IQ", but can't figure out why strangers, who don't know her, judge her on the one thing they do know about her-her looks, instead of personality and intelligence (which they don't know, because they don't know her).

/she also likes the word "glom".
 
2013-09-29 09:53:45 AM  
"ti revo teg ro flesruoy llik ,riafnu si efiL"
 
Pud [TotalFark]
2013-09-29 09:54:34 AM  
I have been maimed by many of women that thought the were too beautiful, for I am Pud

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2013-09-29 09:55:00 AM  
Awwwww poor baby. I don't see why she is so upset now she has gained weight and it seems they are not paying her the same attention so she is just another normie like the rest of us.
 
2013-09-29 09:55:04 AM  
Beautiful women get all the attention.
At least from me.
 
2013-09-29 09:55:54 AM  
Wow people think a lot of themselves and dramatize their own lives way to much.


::sniff::/cry
 
2013-09-29 09:56:23 AM  
Absolutely zero emotional intelligence.

Newsflash: People are attracted to attractive people.
 
2013-09-29 09:57:10 AM  

show me: Pics or GTFO.


www.everydaynodaysoff.com
 
2013-09-29 09:58:00 AM  
You all realize this article is 8 years old right?
 
2013-09-29 09:58:05 AM  
She wants to tell the world; the world doesn't want to know about it. Suck it up buttercup and lay off the butter.
 
2013-09-29 09:58:27 AM  
Sounds like she's looking for love in all the wrong places. She consciously (or perhaps not) picks the wrong guy, and when things go south she says ,"Uh huh! See! see!". Meanwhile there a lot of great guys she can't see because she's not looking for the. She gets off on playing the victim.
 
2013-09-29 09:58:46 AM  
I could have been an ax murderer and they would have accepted it because of my looks


I personally would love to meet an ultra-hottie with an interesting side-hobby.
 
2013-09-29 09:58:52 AM  
I think I banged this chick.
 
2013-09-29 09:59:02 AM  
Huh. I thought that unicorn rambling article a few headlines down was a waste of time. And then I read this.

So now we're here. How do we fix this?
 
2013-09-29 09:59:31 AM  
Same here. I'm just so sexy that hot women randomly throw their panties at me while I'm walking down the street. It's terrible.
 
2013-09-29 09:59:43 AM  
Honestly, I've known "beautiful" women, like modelesque classical beauties, but they don't look like much from across the room. In my experience the women who get the most unwanted attention are slightly chubby chicks with giant tits who wear low cut shirts, with cleavage that can be seen from across the street.
 
2013-09-29 10:00:48 AM  

bibli0phile: You all realize this article is 8 years old right?


Okay, now we're done.
 
2013-09-29 10:02:01 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Honestly, I've known "beautiful" women, like modelesque classical beauties, but they don't look like much from across the room. In my experience the women who get the most unwanted attention are slightly chubby chicks with giant tits who wear low cut shirts, with cleavage that can be seen from across the street.


and God bless them for it.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-09-29 10:02:17 AM  
I think the spoltion for is to become a total whore.  Just fark everything that moves until people are sick of farking you.  Kind of like aversion therapy.
 
2013-09-29 10:02:55 AM  

show me: Pics or GTFO.

 
2013-09-29 10:02:57 AM  
Don't worry your pretty little tits there darling - in a few years nobody will find you beautiful anymore and then you can start in earnest to harvest money from the world's serious people using your genius IQ.
 
2013-09-29 10:03:27 AM  

show me: Pics or GTFO.


www.designofsignage.com

This.
 
2013-09-29 10:04:22 AM  

bibli0phile: You all realize this article is 8 years old right?


Huh.  Well, maybe she's killed herself by now.
 
2013-09-29 10:04:37 AM  

megarian: Huh. I thought that unicorn rambling article a few headlines down was a waste of time. And then I read this.

So now we're here. How do we fix this?


After that unicorn business, I'm leaning toward some morning drinking. But after reading this, I'm thinking that pictures of a good looking woman might be a healthier option for my liver.
 
2013-09-29 10:04:58 AM  
Subby's an idiot.

This is a valid problem and Cary gave some great advice to the lady. Men abhor gold-diggers and women abhor selfish shallow men....it might manifest slightly different for each sex but it's no less a problem.
 
2013-09-29 10:05:00 AM  
As a supremely ugly person (not fat-ugly, which can be fixed, but ugly-faced, which cannot be fixed), I have no sympathy for people like this.


Do you know what is more difficult than being pretty?  Being ugly.  If you think people don't take you seriously when you look good, well, try disfiguring your face.  See how many people take you seriously then.


Have you ever read one of those "Men's Rights" screeds about how male privilege doesn't exist?  Your letter reads just like those.
 
2013-09-29 10:05:38 AM  

bibli0phile: You all realize this article is 8 years old right?


Because this woman is the only one on God's Green Earth that thinks this way.
 
2013-09-29 10:06:31 AM  

NetOwl: As a supremely ugly person (not fat-ugly, which can be fixed, but ugly-faced, which cannot be fixed), I have no sympathy for people like this.


Hey... don't beat yourself up.

In a nation filled with fatties, a butterface with a decent body can do pretty well for herself.

Don't lose hope.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-09-29 10:07:41 AM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: Huh.  Well, maybe she's killed herself by now.


That won't stop some people.  Remember those dudes who dug up that dead girl and farked her corpse?
 
2013-09-29 10:09:28 AM  
One does not talk about their genius IQ unless trying to impress other people who talk about their IQ.
 
2013-09-29 10:09:44 AM  
She has a point even if she's whiny and blaming too much of her current bad situation on the looks thing.

Men tend to see women as symbols and not as real human beings, the more so when good looks are in play.

This was a problem for me back when I was young, relatively slender and good-looking compared to most other geeky girls. Geeky guys just saw my external looks and when they saw glimpses of my immaturity, weirdness, insecurity and other issues, they subconsciously turned up their noses, but consciously refocused back on my looks. I could smell that and ran far away.

This gal should work on developing maturity, a sense of humor, get a decent job, and lose 30 pounds and then see where that takes her. Get over the bitterness.

Around 39 I finally found a guy with some emotional maturity and who loves me for being a weirdo, not in spite of it.
 
2013-09-29 10:10:06 AM  
Looks are temporary but stupid is forever.
 
2013-09-29 10:10:15 AM  
If I was a more cynical man I might say that this recent parade of "women are whiny biatches" articles on Fark (which are, realistically, nothing more than individuals writing crappy blogs and blog-like pages) is little more than a ploy to get the Fark woman-haters riled up for page views.

/ just kidding, you don't have to be cynical to see that's the only point to these dumb greenlights
 
2013-09-29 10:10:55 AM  
Maybe she is a head turner, and most men might want to shag her, but most would also find her a self centered high maintenance twat.
 
2013-09-29 10:11:03 AM  

I May Be Crazy But...: Same here. I'm just so sexy that hot women randomly throw their panties at me while I'm walking down the street. It's terrible.


How does your wife, Morgan Fairchild, feel about that?
 
2013-09-29 10:11:41 AM  
raygun.io
 
2013-09-29 10:11:48 AM  
I'm not quite sure why everyone is upset.  Yes, some people are deluded, but I'm not sure this woman is.

Some people *are* really attractive.  And it is fleeting.  If this woman is self-aware enough to acknowledge her weight gain, she might just be self-aware to know that she was hot.  And it's not so hard for me to believe that some attractive people, particularly women, find that their physical appearance is the trait that gets the most attention.

A 'genius' level IQ is difficult to define - I can't find an accepted standard.  But let's assume she scored well on an IQ test.  Let's also assume she has a graduate degree as claimed in the letter.

I'm a fairly normal guy - and in my dating - I can say with 100% honesty, I never cared how smart a girl was.  I never cared about how educated a girl was.  I never cared about what career goals she had.  I cared about how she looked and whether or not I had fun around her.  As unfair as that is, it has to be really, really, really hard for a girl who is attractive to find a guy who doesn't care about how attractive she is.
 
2013-09-29 10:12:23 AM  

fredklein: She has "a genius IQ", but can't figure out why strangers, who don't know her, judge her on the one thing they do know about her-her looks, instead of personality and intelligence (which they don't know, because they don't know her).

/she also likes the word "glom".


My mom is the only other person i've heard use that word. I thought she made it up, lol.
 
2013-09-29 10:12:44 AM  
According to the letter, she's upset because people have valued her only based on her looks for her entire life, and then she marries some loser who does just that, but it's society's fault?

For the record, I knew a couple of pretty attractive girls who ended up teaching high school in their early 20s.  They went out of their way to be 'less attractive' so their students would take them seriously -- i.e. wearing thicker glasses instead of contacts lenses, and having the most boring work wardrobe ever.  It's actually pretty do-able.

Then again, I also know some average-looking women who think that every guy who even talks them must be completely enamored by them.
 
2013-09-29 10:13:40 AM  
Chick, if you can't find a mate just because you gained weight, it's not because all anyone cares about is beauty, it's because either you have no personality, or you're so insecure and have such a chip on your shoulder it drives people away.
That or she's just as superficial as the guys who wanted her just for her looks, and completely ignores the decent guys that don't want her just for her looks.
I got hit on quite a bit when I was skinny. I still get hit on now that I'm married and overweight. And I have guy friends that wouldn't mind a relationship with me were I single, skinny or not. They're not even ugly trolls believe it or not! So it sure as hell ain't all males that are her problem.

And as far as the ex who obsessed over her weight, that's not because all society cares about is looks, it's because she married a superficial, controlling, abusive, douchebag. I've known plenty of women who were quite beautiful and skinny when young, gained weight when they had kids, and their husbands aren't suddenly mentally abusive dickwads. I was much skinnier when I was younger, and while I wouldn't call myself strikingly beautiful I wasn't unpleasant to look at, and my husband has NEVER done the things she says her husband did. The only comments about my weight are either health related or "hey you'll feel better about yourself if you lose weight." If he really wanted to encourage me to lose weight, he'd take me out hiking and find physical activities we liked to do together or something, not to mention encouraging me to make healthy meals (but he's a country boy and likes rich foods, so he'll take that over worrying about my weight :p).

She may be much more overweight than me, which would indeed lower the dating pool, but it still sounds like a major personality/insecurity problem more than anything. I doubt all the weight came on at once, and she sounds like as soon as she gained any suddenly there was no one for her.

Lose some weight, stop being insecure, get a personality and hobbies, and don't be overly superficial. It's not that hard. There are plenty of guys looking for a woman out there even if she's not physically perfect.

Oh, and I also find it hard to believe that guys were constantly barraging her with cat calls and stuff unless she was dressing for attention. I've been friends with some quite beautiful women, and while they might get comments here and there, unless they dress in something sexy it's not that frequent other than maybe a polite "I just wanted to say, I think you're pretty."
 
2013-09-29 10:14:05 AM  
"I have a genius IQ, a graduate degree, and everything I've really cared about professionally I have excelled at. "

Fat person typing detected.
 
2013-09-29 10:14:22 AM  
I am empathetic.  I catch myself looking too often at women that are just really easy to look at too often.  I've always figured they were used to it.  It could be construed as low-level harassment, I s'pose.

I haven't a clue what she could possibly do about it without appearing uncivil.  It's a man thing.

Blame Darwin.
 
2013-09-29 10:15:05 AM  

Chevello: I May Be Crazy But...: Same here. I'm just so sexy that hot women randomly throw their panties at me while I'm walking down the street. It's terrible.

How does your wife, Morgan Fairchild, feel about that?


She's busy throwing her underwear at me also.

Seriously, when I don't try it's bad enough. But when I put a little effort into it - you know, neaten up the neckbeard a bit, put on a slinky dress and heels, the works - I'm just irresistible.
 
2013-09-29 10:15:26 AM  
I think the only maiming was done by her brain to her brain.
 
2013-09-29 10:16:04 AM  
Women who can't relate to men always see it as the other way around.
 
2013-09-29 10:16:31 AM  

NetOwl: Do you know what is more difficult than being pretty? Being ugly. If you think people don't take you seriously when you look good, well, try disfiguring your face. See how many people take you seriously then.


This.  I think there have been a few articles about how ugly people generally have much more difficulty in life than attractive people.
 
2013-09-29 10:18:55 AM  
No pictures because she is a typical daily mail "hottie"
 
2013-09-29 10:20:37 AM  

Giant Clown Shoe: show me: Pics or GTFO.

[www.designofsignage.com image 600x600]

This.


Meh, she looks like 15 year old boy from Ethiopia
 
2013-09-29 10:21:03 AM  

bibli0phile: You all realize this article is 8 years old right?


Presumably men no longer pay attention to her, then.  Problem solved.
 
2013-09-29 10:21:11 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-09-29 10:21:39 AM  
theinsider.etonline.com
"Hello? No one showers me with attention anymore! Help!"
 
2013-09-29 10:22:46 AM  

Bslim: "I have a genius IQ, a graduate degree, and everything I've really cared about professionally I have excelled at. "

Fat person typing detected.


I will say this: her Under the Dome fan fiction isn't bad at all.

LewDux: Meh, she looks like 15 year old boy from Ethiopia


Amen brother... real women have their own gravitational field.
 
2013-09-29 10:23:00 AM  
Nobody will knooow you, when you're ooold.
 
2013-09-29 10:23:02 AM  

Egalitarian: Men Guys and Bros tend to see women as symbols and not as real human beings, the more so when good looks are in play.


The rest of us are post-adolescent.
 
2013-09-29 10:23:03 AM  

Dear Not Just Another Pretty Face,


shut up, stop feeling sorry for yourself and take this advice: Happiness is an inside job. ~William Arthur Ward


seriously, if you are a whining little biatch, who wants to date you?

 
2013-09-29 10:26:33 AM  

thamike: Egalitarian: Men Guys and Bros tend to see women as symbols and not as real human beings, the more so when good looks are in play.

The rest of us are post-adolescent.


I think it's an issue about where you are or who you're dealing with.
 
2013-09-29 10:27:22 AM  
Sounds like Rebecca Watson.

If you can't be bothered to look her up then this would be the woman who basically howled on and on about misogyny because somebody had the audacity to ask her up their room for coffee on an elevator.
 
2013-09-29 10:27:26 AM  
In the grand scheme of fatness, sixty pounds isn't THAT much. If she was getting as much attention as she said, sixty pounds is not going to make that stop. I'm pretty fat, but pretty faced and I still get a lot of male attention. Far more than my thinner, younger friend who has the face of a pug, bless her. As someone else pointed out, if I wear a low shirt, there might as well be no other women in the room.
 
2013-09-29 10:28:25 AM  
You should have disregarded men and acquired assets. By assets, I mean education and financial resources that allow you to do explore hobbies, travel, take a sabbatical to write a book, whatever is fulfilling for you. Servicing men until past your prime rarely ends well for women and is not very fulfilling. And for most men with options, no, they're not going to still love you when you're fat (unless they're chubby chasers). Men aren't women....they're visual and need a lot of sex and sammiches. Don't kid yourself.
 
2013-09-29 10:29:00 AM  

I May Be Crazy But...: thamike: Egalitarian: Men Guys and Bros tend to see women as symbols and not as real human beings, the more so when good looks are in play.

The rest of us are post-adolescent.

I think it's an issue about where you are or who you're dealing with.


Batgirl would probably count as a symbol.
 
2013-09-29 10:29:35 AM  
Reminds me of someone..

i.dailymail.co.uk
 
2013-09-29 10:30:58 AM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Reminds me of someone..

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 306x649]


Man, I hate it when John Kerry goes trick-or-treating.
 
2013-09-29 10:33:16 AM  
I'm sure she's always been friends and dated with regular looking guys because of their intellect and other interesting things about them.
 
2013-09-29 10:33:30 AM  
I like that this poor biatch has not ONE pic to go with the article. FAIL.
 
2013-09-29 10:35:06 AM  

NetOwl: As a supremely ugly person (not fat-ugly, which can be fixed, but ugly-faced, which cannot be fixed), I have no sympathy for people like this.


Do you know what is more difficult than being pretty?  Being ugly.  If you think people don't take you seriously when you look good, well, try disfiguring your face.  See how many people take you seriously then.


Have you ever read one of those "Men's Rights" screeds about how male privilege doesn't exist?  Your letter reads just like those.


Gotta agree with this.

Also, "I married the first guy who treated me well..."

Ladies, please stop doing this.
 
2013-09-29 10:36:04 AM  

thamike: Batgirl would probably count as a symbol.


And nothing's hotter than a paraplegic crime fighter.

I mean, maybe a couple things, but I can't think of them right now.
 
rpm
2013-09-29 10:37:24 AM  

randomjsa: Sounds like Rebecca Watson.

If you can't be bothered to look her up then this would be the woman who basically howled on and on about misogyny because somebody had the audacity to ask her up their room for coffee on an elevator.


Right. "Guys, don't do that" is howling on and on.

Getting asked to someone's you don't know room at 2 AM, not skeevy at all, nope.
 
2013-09-29 10:38:16 AM  

The_Gallant_Gallstone: LewDux: Meh, she looks like 15 year old boy from Ethiopia

Amen brother... real women have their own gravitational field.


No no, I commented on the shape and color of the arrow as if it was picture of woman we're discussing. Farkers' expectations were confounded and from thence the humour arose
 
2013-09-29 10:39:53 AM  

rpm: Getting asked to someone's you don't know room at 2 AM, not skeevy at all, nope


If both parties are on the level, it's only skeevy to the uninvited.
 
2013-09-29 10:40:02 AM  
Just because men give you attention and tell you, you are beautiful, doesn't mean that you are beautiful. It means they want to bang you.
 
2013-09-29 10:40:12 AM  

show me: Pics or GTFO.


Amen brother!
 
2013-09-29 10:40:15 AM  

poison_amy: In the grand scheme of fatness, sixty pounds isn't THAT much


I didn't see the 60 lb part. That is not big enough to completely eliminate your chance for finding any guy other than feeder fetishists.

Say she's 5'3" which is a little under average height. For an adult woman of that height 130 is a fairly healthy weight - a little over what would be optimal. So 60 lbs would make her 190. Realistically she probably started skinnier than that and doesn't even weigh 190 if she's gained 60 lbs, but I'm erring on the upper side.

This is 5'3" 190, and a woman that actually works out and lifts a little weight would look smaller and more toned. At 5'2" and 190 I'm built about like the 2nd pic, and people also tend to under-guess my weight cuz I'm still active and have muscle tone.
http://www.cockeyed.com/photos/bodies/503-190.html
 
2013-09-29 10:41:59 AM  
Her story doesn't add up, she married the "first guy who treated me well", but supposed this same guy "would get angry at my slightest weight gain, and would act out including weighing me and measuring my food, and doing stuff like peering in food cartons in the pantry when he got home from work to see how much was left". That doesn't sound like treating someone well. Obviously she is such a genius that she can't tell the difference between somebody sincerely treating her well and a guy on his best behavior to get at the goodies. You can't tell me a guy that "would get angry at my slightest weight gain, and would act out including weighing me and measuring my food, and doing stuff like peering in food cartons in the pantry when he got home from work to see how much was left" showed absolute zero signs of ever being inclined to this sort of behavior ever before she got married. Maybe her interpretation of treating her well meant buying her things? He probably complimented her intelligence sensing that was the type of thing she wanted to hear. Also, do geniuses deal with depression by overeating? I would think a genius would go see a psychiatrist instead. I may not be a genius but I think I can tell the difference between somebody sincerely in love with me and somebody kissing my ass.
 
2013-09-29 10:49:47 AM  

rpm: randomjsa: Sounds like Rebecca Watson.

If you can't be bothered to look her up then this would be the woman who basically howled on and on about misogyny because somebody had the audacity to ask her up their room for coffee on an elevator.

Right. "Guys, don't do that" is howling on and on.

Getting asked to someone's you don't know room at 2 AM, not skeevy at all, nope.


If she complained once and let it drop then nobody would have cared.

She kept bringing it up, and bringing it up, and bringing it up. To the point that even Richard Dawkins made a statement about it. Do you think Dawkins seriously put out a statement about it if she just casually mentioned it and let it go? It was only after people started going 'Damn, we get it, you freaked out about something that was basically harmless, now shut up about it already' that we got the 'just casually mentioned it once or twice' talking point.

This is also putting aside the fact that she is among the people trying to turn the Atheist movement in to a radical feminist organization and everyone that disagrees with that idea is probably a pervert and a potential creep. This plan failed so now they've moved on to the 'new one' thanks to PZ Meyers. We'll see if that blows up in their faces as spectacularly as I think it will.
 
2013-09-29 10:50:05 AM  

theusercomponent: Obviously she is such a genius that she can't tell the difference between somebody sincerely treating her well and a guy on his best behavior to get at the goodies.


To be fair, having a genius level IQ has nothing to do with common sense when it comes to interpreting people.

I have a few friends that have extremely an extremely high IQ but have absolutely no people skills, and can't interpret other's motivations at all. Think about someone who is autistic. They could have a very high IQ on paper, but be absolutely retarded when it comes to interacting with people and understanding other's emotions and intentions.

Whereas someone might have an average IQ but do extremely well interpreting other people. Like a top salesman. Most probably aren't genius level IQ but they can tell by someone's voice tone, facial expressions, etc. exactly what they want and how to manipulate them.

Or a stripper. They're likely to know exactly what guys want, and how to get money out of them, but most of the ones I've known sure as hell aren't geniuses.

IQ means little when it comes to interacting with people.
 
2013-09-29 10:51:35 AM  
theusercomponent: (a genius does this, a genius does that)

Being a genius only means you can figure out problems, it does not mean that you are well disciplined and make good life choices.
 
rpm
2013-09-29 10:52:52 AM  

randomjsa: If she complained once and let it drop then nobody would have cared.


She farking did drop it. The MRA didn't. I take it you're on the slymepit?

This is also putting aside the fact that she is among the people trying to turn the Atheist movement in to a radical feminist organization and everyone that disagrees with that idea is probably a pervert and a potential creep. This plan failed so now they've moved on to the 'new one' thanks to PZ Meyers. We'll see if that blows up in their faces as spectacularly as I think it will.

Treat women as more than farktoys. Wow, radical feminism in action.

Why is it that everyone that misrepresents PZ can't spell his name?
 
2013-09-29 10:53:20 AM  

LewDux: No no, I commented on the shape and color of the arrow as if it was picture of woman we're discussing. Farkers' expectations were confounded and from thence the humour arose


It ain't making me laugh,  but I get it.
 
2013-09-29 10:53:33 AM  

megarian: Huh. I thought that unicorn rambling article a few headlines down was a waste of time. And then I read this.

So now we're here. How do we fix this?


If only someone would post a pic of the Blue Rebel then we would see what a beautiful woman looks like.
 
2013-09-29 10:55:24 AM  
"maimed by male attention"

Is this a new euphemism for penising someone?
 
2013-09-29 10:57:54 AM  

Gergesa: NetOwl: Do you know what is more difficult than being pretty? Being ugly. If you think people don't take you seriously when you look good, well, try disfiguring your face. See how many people take you seriously then.

This.  I think there have been a few articles about how ugly people generally have much more difficulty in life than attractive people.


I'm an ugly woman, and I wasted way too much time thinking that if I was attractive it would solve all my problems, but I've since seen so many men treat beautiful women like raw sewage while at the same time feeling conflicted about their overwhelming attraction to said women, that I don't entirely envy them.

My perfect world would be to have the ability to switch it on and off for about an hour a week. Otherwise, I prefer living life being invisible to most men. It's worth the absence of harassment and sexual assault. Being stared at is definitely a form of harrassment. Men have a very hard time understanding that, but a lot of those same men are also very skittish and defensive if they are forced to interact with women they consider repulsive.
 
2013-09-29 11:00:34 AM  

Ihaveanevilparrot: poison_amy: In the grand scheme of fatness, sixty pounds isn't THAT much

I didn't see the 60 lb part. That is not big enough to completely eliminate your chance for finding any guy other than feeder fetishists.

Say she's 5'3" which is a little under average height. For an adult woman of that height 130 is a fairly healthy weight - a little over what would be optimal. So 60 lbs would make her 190. Realistically she probably started skinnier than that and doesn't even weigh 190 if she's gained 60 lbs, but I'm erring on the upper side.

This is 5'3" 190, and a woman that actually works out and lifts a little weight would look smaller and more toned. At 5'2" and 190 I'm built about like the 2nd pic, and people also tend to under-guess my weight cuz I'm still active and have muscle tone.
http://www.cockeyed.com/photos/bodies/503-190.html


I'm a 5'11" man who weighs 190. A good bit of that is muscle, but I constantly fight not to eat the stuff I want and would like to lose 10 pounds or so. The women pictured can't be that heavy. A 5'2" woman at 190 is very obese, nearly "morbidly" so. That's a medical definition, not just being a dick.
 
2013-09-29 11:03:05 AM  
OK, 60 pounds overweight. Translation; needs to wipe ass with a rag on a stick. That is more than likely 60 pounds per ass cheek.
 
2013-09-29 11:03:09 AM  
Anyone suggest a burka yet?
 
2013-09-29 11:03:30 AM  
Damn you Handicapper General, Diana Moon Glampers!
 
2013-09-29 11:05:36 AM  

Egalitarian: She has a point even if she's whiny and blaming too much of her current bad situation on the looks thing.

Men tend to see women as symbols and not as real human beings, the more so when good looks are in play.

This was a problem for me back when I was young, relatively slender and good-looking compared to most other geeky girls. Geeky guys just saw my external looks and when they saw glimpses of my immaturity, weirdness, insecurity and other issues, they subconsciously turned up their noses, but consciously refocused back on my looks. I could smell that and ran far away.

This gal should work on developing maturity, a sense of humor, get a decent job, and lose 30 pounds and then see where that takes her. Get over the bitterness.

Around 39 I finally found a guy with some emotional maturity and who loves me for being a weirdo, not in spite of it.


I guess we know what her Fark handle is.
 
2013-09-29 11:07:41 AM  
If she  was still a teenager I would have some sympathy.  Excessive attention from males freaked me out when I was a kid too.  Then I grew up and got over it.
 
2013-09-29 11:12:54 AM  

randomjsa: Sounds like Rebecca Watson.

If you can't be bothered to look her up then this would be the woman who basically howled on and on about misogyny because somebody had the audacity to ask her up their room for coffee on an elevator.


So I take it that that Watson has little to do with ejaculating?
 
2013-09-29 11:22:34 AM  
Probably smells like a fish farm.
 
2013-09-29 11:30:48 AM  

Huggermugger: Gergesa: NetOwl: Do you know what is more difficult than being pretty? Being ugly. If you think people don't take you seriously when you look good, well, try disfiguring your face. See how many people take you seriously then.

This.  I think there have been a few articles about how ugly people generally have much more difficulty in life than attractive people.

I'm an ugly woman, and I wasted way too much time thinking that if I was attractive it would solve all my problems, but I've since seen so many men treat beautiful women like raw sewage while at the same time feeling conflicted about their overwhelming attraction to said women, that I don't entirely envy them.

My perfect world would be to have the ability to switch it on and off for about an hour a week. Otherwise, I prefer living life being invisible to most men. It's worth the absence of harassment and sexual assault. Being stared at is definitely a form of harrassment. Men have a very hard time understanding that, but a lot of those same men are also very skittish and defensive if they are forced to interact with women they consider repulsive.


As far as interacting with women goes, I'm happy to share conversation with non-pretty, even ugly women; I think from personal observation that most men are the same way.  But I've noticed that the majority of women quickly take on defensive body language with men who aren't tall and athletic, or with guido suave good looks, or wearing the trappings of great wealth.  This changes once women are over 40, but the double standard point is made long before then, while the good looks which open up social and sexual opportunities are largely lost.

Men DO pick mates based on looks, but men are paradoxically less sex-minded when it comes to casual encounters.  Given that the happiest and most sought-after people sexually are social 'good mixers', I would think that a single person refusing to mix with all types is self-harming maiming their chances when they do meet someone they're attracted to.
 
2013-09-29 11:33:07 AM  

edmo: [img.fark.net image 677x800]


Don't hate me because I'm beautiful.
por-img.cimcontent.net
 
2013-09-29 11:33:22 AM  
i.ebayimg.com

Ermagerd, mens keep LOOKING at me!! SOOOO CREEPY!!!!  Execute them, my husband!
 
2013-09-29 11:33:34 AM  

Occam's Disposable Razor: I'm a 5'11" man who weighs 190. A good bit of that is muscle, but I constantly fight not to eat the stuff I want and would like to lose 10 pounds or so. The women pictured can't be that heavy. A 5'2" woman at 190 is very obese, nearly "morbidly" so. That's a medical definition, not just being a dick.


Whatever the technical definition of obesity, and whatever aesthetic perception that carries with it, the women in the pictures are 190. Women carry weight differently. It's not a discussion of what's healthy, it's a discussion of aesthetics. I agree 190 is not at all a healthy weight for that height.
With men, since they're built straight up and down, it's more noticable when they're significantly overweight. If a woman puts on weight mostly in her boobs, hips and ass, and then fairly equally in thighs and everywhere else it can throw perception off.

This is me at 210 (luckily I'm losing weight again), 5'2":
http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb142/anostomusternetzi/meinfront of tank.jpg

Yes I'm obviously much too overweight in the pic, but people generally underestimate my weight significantly (about 30-40 lbs under). Most people are not good at judging other people's weight. The perception is that someone at my height and the weight in the pic would be round, have fat hanging, and wheeze when they walk, but the fact is I get around just fine, and I can still hike and do normal activities without getting out of breath, even with my arthritis (which is the major factor in my weight gain because it causes general fatigue, which is more of an issue than the pain itself, not to mention tends to cause depression).

Just as an aside, I finally got a prescription for humira which is pretty much a miracle drug for me and others with arthritis. So I've been a lot less tired and more able to get out, active, and distract myself rather than eating, so I'm getting healthier. :)
Highly suggest it for people with severe arthritis, but it's an immunosuppressant so shouldn't be used unless you really need it badly, or if you have a compromised immune system already.
 
2013-09-29 11:33:54 AM  

Huggermugger: Gergesa: NetOwl: Do you know what is more difficult than being pretty? Being ugly. If you think people don't take you seriously when you look good, well, try disfiguring your face. See how many people take you seriously then.

This.  I think there have been a few articles about how ugly people generally have much more difficulty in life than attractive people.

I'm an ugly woman, and I wasted way too much time thinking that if I was attractive it would solve all my problems, but I've since seen so many men treat beautiful women like raw sewage while at the same time feeling conflicted about their overwhelming attraction to said women, that I don't entirely envy them.

My perfect world would be to have the ability to switch it on and off for about an hour a week. Otherwise, I prefer living life being invisible to most men. It's worth the absence of harassment and sexual assault. Being stared at is definitely a form of harrassment. Men have a very hard time understanding that, but a lot of those same men are also very skittish and defensive if they are forced to interact with women they consider repulsive.




In my perfect world, I'd be able to turn off my intense attraction to women who look a certain way. The difference between beautiful and not so beautiful is a matter of centimeters to millimeters. One thing that I don't think many women understand about most men is that we can be incredibly sexually attracted to women that we actually dislike as people. Physical appearance is inextricably tied together with sexual attraction, and the urge to reproduce is one of the strongest ones us humans have.
 
2013-09-29 11:35:36 AM  
Attention whore seeks attention.
 
2013-09-29 11:36:19 AM  
Translation: "I was a tarted-up little whore from the time I was a teenager, and even though I'm as dumb as a box of rocks, I thought I was so smart because I was banging everybody, even rich successful men as old as 25 who had their own apartment.   When I got a job at the local Burger King, the manager was always wanting one more quicky in the back office.

Now that I'm 25 and lost my looks due to hard drinking, blow, meth, and being used like the whore I am by everyone I've ever met, how do I fix my life up?  I've also gotten really fat, and my tattoos look like hell.
 
2013-09-29 11:37:00 AM  

dr_blasto: edmo: [img.fark.net image 677x800]

Don't hate me because I'm beautiful was beautiful.
[por-img.cimcontent.net image 461x400]


Some are born to move the world
To live their fantasies
But most of us just dream about
The things we'd like to be
Sadder still to watch it die
Than never to have known it
For you, the blind who once could see
The bell tolls for thee...
 
2013-09-29 11:37:03 AM  

I May Be Crazy But...: megarian: Huh. I thought that unicorn rambling article a few headlines down was a waste of time. And then I read this.

So now we're here. How do we fix this?

After that unicorn business, I'm leaning toward some morning drinking. But after reading this, I'm thinking that pictures of a good looking woman might be a healthier option for my liver.


Well, you're right. But I sort of jumped the whiskey and coffee gun.

I should be more attentive to threads with better ideas.
 
2013-09-29 11:38:18 AM  

Abox: I could have been an ax murderer and they would have accepted it because of my looks


I personally would love to meet an ultra-hottie with an interesting side-hobby.


She must have glanced over at her video tape collection for that line.
content8.flixster.com
 
2013-09-29 11:38:38 AM  

Occam's Disposable Razor: Ihaveanevilparrot: poison_amy: In the grand scheme of fatness, sixty pounds isn't THAT much

I didn't see the 60 lb part. That is not big enough to completely eliminate your chance for finding any guy other than feeder fetishists.

Say she's 5'3" which is a little under average height. For an adult woman of that height 130 is a fairly healthy weight - a little over what would be optimal. So 60 lbs would make her 190. Realistically she probably started skinnier than that and doesn't even weigh 190 if she's gained 60 lbs, but I'm erring on the upper side.

This is 5'3" 190, and a woman that actually works out and lifts a little weight would look smaller and more toned. At 5'2" and 190 I'm built about like the 2nd pic, and people also tend to under-guess my weight cuz I'm still active and have muscle tone.
http://www.cockeyed.com/photos/bodies/503-190.html

I'm a 5'11" man who weighs 190. A good bit of that is muscle, but I constantly fight not to eat the stuff I want and would like to lose 10 pounds or so. The women pictured can't be that heavy. A 5'2" woman at 190 is very obese, nearly "morbidly" so. That's a medical definition, not just being a dick.


Exactly, my wife is around 5'1 and weights around 105 lbs, is not stick thin and has muscular legs and arms, and if she put on 60 lbs she would like like jabba the hut.

Hell, I am 5'5 and 140, and when i get to 160 I start looking like a bowling pin.
 
2013-09-29 11:42:17 AM  
Gee, sis, buck up and do your best, 'k?
 
2013-09-29 11:42:55 AM  

show me: Pics or GTFO.


This coont is almost assuredly not attractive- but I'll bet she does have to be at the gym in 26 minutes.
 
2013-09-29 11:45:41 AM  
Honestly, who trolls an advice columnist with that??
 
2013-09-29 11:51:43 AM  

skozlaw: If I was a more cynical man I might say that this recent parade of "women are whiny biatches" articles on Fark (which are, realistically, nothing more than individuals writing crappy blogs and blog-like pages) is little more than a ploy to get the Fark woman-haters riled up for page views.

/ just kidding, you don't have to be cynical to see that's the only point to these dumb greenlights


Yep exactly, it's usually the Daily Mail greenlights that have these "woman too awesome for ..." articles.  Nice to see Salon is getting in the business too.
 
2013-09-29 11:55:53 AM  
Hey, leave the girl alone.  i know how she feels.  I have way too much money, more than I could spend in a lifetime, and my penis is way above average but not so much that it would scare a woman.  Why can't you insensitive people consider that I have problems, too?
 
2013-09-29 11:58:05 AM  

sweet-daddy-2: megarian: Huh. I thought that unicorn rambling article a few headlines down was a waste of time. And then I read this.

So now we're here. How do we fix this?

If only someone would post a pic of the Blue Rebel then we would see what a beautiful woman looks like.


Heheeee!!!!!
 
2013-09-29 11:58:07 AM  

theflatline: Hell, I am 5'5 and 140, and when i get to 160 I start looking like a bowling pin.


Really?

This is my dad, 5'6" bout 170.
http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb142/anostomusternetzi/dad2_zps8 52 92822.png

He's got a little pot belly, but does anyone really think he looks like a bowling pin? lol
I'm more disturbed by his old man shoes and socks. :\

I'm kinda curious. Because I'm not sure you guys look as fat as you think, so much as your self perception being off. My husband is 6'2" and 213 which people on here act like should be pretty fat unless you're a weight lifter, but all he has is a little chub on his belly. He has perfect cholesterol and low blood pressure too.
 
2013-09-29 11:58:45 AM  
Does she like Dickens Cider?
 
2013-09-29 11:59:40 AM  

GORDON: Hey, leave the girl alone.  i know how she feels.  I have way too much money, more than I could spend in a lifetime, and my penis is way above average but not so much that it would scare a woman.  Why can't you insensitive people consider that I have problems, too?


I feel for you. Dragging models around hanging off of you all day must get tedious. :p
 
2013-09-29 12:00:14 PM  
This chick aside, I will admit that I feel sorry for girls who are pretty and blossom earlier than most. Dumb (but cute) 6th graders with huge boobs get all the worst kind of attention. Most 'males' associate breast size with the ability to breed or something. I'm not saying all guys are pedos, but that there's some genetic predisposition that helps push men to check out boobs+hips+youth, acting on that makes you a pedo. The girls who bloomed early when I was young always got tons of attention from the older teens in the neighborhood.. for all the wrong reasons, and it often didn't end up really well for them. Like seniors dating freshmen.

I'm hoping my daughters are late bloomers who get to watch and learn from the mistakes their "earlier" friends make. We do organic beef and chicken in an effort to lessen the hormone exposure. True story.
 
2013-09-29 12:02:33 PM  

Ihaveanevilparrot: This is me at 210 (luckily I'm losing weight again), 5'2":
http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb142/anostomusternetzi/meinfront of tank.jpg


Clicked the link hoping for an actual tank. Was sadly disappointed.
 
2013-09-29 12:05:49 PM  

FnkyTwn: Ihaveanevilparrot: This is me at 210 (luckily I'm losing weight again), 5'2":
http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb142/anostomusternetzi/meinfront of tank.jpg

Clicked the link hoping for an actual tank. Was sadly disappointed.


I'm sorry.

My husband is disappointed that we don't have an actual tank either. I'm not against it, but we don't have enough parking. :(
 
2013-09-29 12:09:12 PM  
Don't like getting attention for "being beautiful"? Want to be liked for your "genius"?

Date blind Mensa members.
 
2013-09-29 12:10:32 PM  

megarian: I May Be Crazy But...: megarian: Huh. I thought that unicorn rambling article a few headlines down was a waste of time. And then I read this.

So now we're here. How do we fix this?

After that unicorn business, I'm leaning toward some morning drinking. But after reading this, I'm thinking that pictures of a good looking woman might be a healthier option for my liver.

Well, you're right. But I sort of jumped the whiskey and coffee gun.

I should be more attentive to threads with better ideas.


In that case, you might be glad to hear that I've also been spiking my whiskey with coffee. I mean the other way around.
 
2013-09-29 12:11:31 PM  
This article made me sad, thinking of all the women I've been with who were only after my money and my virile cock and boyish charm yet rugged good looks.

Usually it was after, say, bringing her to one of my fitness model photo shoots or taking her on a trip to Tahiti in my jet, or right after I had solved a major international crime consulting for INTERPOL by using my 230+ IQ, I'd get the feeling they were not interested in getting to know the real me.
 
2013-09-29 12:12:00 PM  

FnkyTwn: We do organic beef and chicken in an effort to lessen the hormone exposure.


I think you only have to worry about it if you eat it.
 
2013-09-29 12:14:33 PM  
So she was a hot teenager, turned 22 and began her assault on the Bonbons..

Welcome to the circle of life fatty
 
2013-09-29 12:16:30 PM  

Ihaveanevilparrot: Occam's Disposable Razor: I'm a 5'11" man who weighs 190. A good bit of that is muscle, but I constantly fight not to eat the stuff I want and would like to lose 10 pounds or so. The women pictured can't be that heavy. A 5'2" woman at 190 is very obese, nearly "morbidly" so. That's a medical definition, not just being a dick.

Whatever the technical definition of obesity, and whatever aesthetic perception that carries with it, the women in the pictures are 190. Women carry weight differently. It's not a discussion of what's healthy, it's a discussion of aesthetics. I agree 190 is not at all a healthy weight for that height.
With men, since they're built straight up and down, it's more noticable when they're significantly overweight. If a woman puts on weight mostly in her boobs, hips and ass, and then fairly equally in thighs and everywhere else it can throw perception off.

This is me at 210 (luckily I'm losing weight again), 5'2":
http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb142/anostomusternetzi/meinfront of tank.jpg

Yes I'm obviously much too overweight in the pic, but people generally underestimate my weight significantly (about 30-40 lbs under). Most people are not good at judging other people's weight. The perception is that someone at my height and the weight in the pic would be round, have fat hanging, and wheeze when they walk, but the fact is I get around just fine, and I can still hike and do normal activities without getting out of breath, even with my arthritis (which is the major factor in my weight gain because it causes general fatigue, which is more of an issue than the pain itself, not to mention tends to cause depression).

Just as an aside, I finally got a prescription for humira which is pretty much a miracle drug for me and others with arthritis. So I've been a lot less tired and more able to get out, active, and distract myself rather than eating, so I'm getting healthier. :)
Highly suggest it for people with severe arthritis, but it's an immunosuppressant so shouldn't be used unless you really need it badly, or if you have a compromised immune system already.


Huh. You remind me of my sister. She has awful arthritis and likes getting out and walking an being active, but she hurts and often feels simply overwhelmingly tired. Maybe this could help her out. Awesome to hear you're feeling better :) congrats on having positive motivation.

Also, nice tank ;)
 
2013-09-29 12:21:12 PM  
Incurable Attention Whore Disorder.

While incurable, intensive regular beatings followed by viscious verbal abuse can make those around it feel better.
 
2013-09-29 12:25:43 PM  

megarian: Huh. You remind me of my sister. She has awful arthritis and likes getting out and walking an being active, but she hurts and often feels simply overwhelmingly tired. Maybe this could help her out. Awesome to hear you're feeling better :) congrats on having positive motivation.

Also, nice tank ;)


Thanks on both counts. :)

And yes, she should get with her rheumatologist and discuss it. There are also a couple of other similar immunosupressants. They only like to prescribe them as a last resort, but if she hasn't been responding well to other meds it's worth a try. I also take tramadol as a painkiller, but I take it MUCH less than beforehand (once or twice as a day, and sometimes I skip a day, as opposed to up to 4). And nsaids did absolutely nothing for me. Besides that, other meds don't necessarily stop the damage that can be done to other parts of the body (like organ damage long term) with severe arthritis, they just mask the symptoms.
There can be side effects, but I have not personally noticed any. And if she has a type of arthitis that makes your immune system just go insane, it shouldn't compromise it enough to cause major susceptibility to illness. I've been injured a couple of times while on it, and scratched by cats; I clean the wound really good with alcohol and haven't had any infections at all and heal as normal. As long as you're careful it's not a big issue. I haven't been getting colds or anything more frequently either.
 
2013-09-29 12:25:58 PM  

mrlewish: Wow people think a lot of themselves and dramatize their own lives way to much.


::sniff::/cry


I believe that group likes to be called - WOMEN.  Please, address them properly, from now on.
 
2013-09-29 12:27:59 PM  
Obviously she swelled up like a tick.  The only way she can compensate is to be triple input.
 
2013-09-29 12:32:30 PM  
So what's the point of this? A guy writes this fake letter and then fake-responds, and baits us all to click, become outraged, share it, etc, etc...

Wake me when something original happens.
 
2013-09-29 12:33:37 PM  
The internet hasn't quite scraped the bottom of the barrel clean yet, but we are near needing a spatula to get the rest. This article is proof of that.
 
2013-09-29 12:34:00 PM  

Egalitarian: Men tend to see women as symbols and not as real human beings, the more so when good looks are in play.


Women tend to imagine things
 
2013-09-29 12:41:51 PM  

AteMyBrain: So what's the point of this? A guy writes this fake letter and then fake-responds, and baits us all to click, become outraged, share it, etc, etc...

Wake me when something original happens.


I'm just waiting for the fake letter from Cary of Salon to receive a fake response from Prudie of Slate.

Then the universe will implode and I will find the blissful peace of oblivion.
 
2013-09-29 12:42:23 PM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Reminds me of someone..

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 306x649]


Hey, I remember that guy.
 
2013-09-29 12:43:46 PM  
http://listofcelebs.blogspot.com/2011/03/beauty-and-beast-pierce-bros n an-and.html

What the fark happened to Pierce Brosnan's wife?  That is nice he sticks by her despite being a major fatty.
 
2013-09-29 12:47:06 PM  

applejacks: What the fark happened to Pierce Brosnan's wife? That is nice he sticks by her despite being a major fatty.


I'd probably stick with her, but still sleep with tons of babes on the side.

Assuming I had a strong pre-nup, that mini Death Star would probably deal with it and enjoy the Celebrity Satellite lifestyle.
 
2013-09-29 12:48:19 PM  
American woman problems.
 
2013-09-29 01:01:44 PM  
encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com

'Wait'll they get a load of me.'
 
2013-09-29 01:06:33 PM  

applejacks: http://listofcelebs.blogspot.com/2011/03/beauty-and-beast-pierce-bros n an-and.html

What the fark happened to Pierce Brosnan's wife?  That is nice he sticks by her despite being a major fatty.


Whatever, you should check out Hugh Jackman's wife:

i.dailymail.co.uk

The rumor has always been that she's his *beard*. It's cool that he's Wolverine and all, but he likes doing musicals and Broadway way more than action movies. And I understand him staying in the closet as an actor. I'd support him if he came out, but.. it's hard to tune out a person's sexuality when they're playing a role. Like if Rachel Maddow was in a movie as a straight chick. It's possible, but it's a stretch for the audience. Eventually, some day down the road, this will be less of an issue, but at this point, it's a necessary evil for working actors.
 
2013-09-29 01:07:39 PM  
Go give yourself a lye facial.

/problem solved
 
2013-09-29 01:15:47 PM  

Ihaveanevilparrot: even with my arthritis (which is the major factor in my weight gain because it causes general fatigue, which is more of an issue than the pain itself, not to mention tends to cause depression).


You might want to look into taking bromelain if you haven't already.
 
2013-09-29 01:25:49 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: I think I banged this chick.


Me, too. Like a plank with a knothole in it made at the RealDoll factory, she was. Plainer chicks, and by that I mean very good looking but perhaps not conventionally flawless, work it better.
 
2013-09-29 01:28:43 PM  

FnkyTwn: applejacks: http://listofcelebs.blogspot.com/2011/03/beauty-and-beast-pierce-bros n an-and.html

What the fark happened to Pierce Brosnan's wife?  That is nice he sticks by her despite being a major fatty.

Whatever, you should check out Hugh Jackman's wife:

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x563]

The rumor has always been that she's his *beard*. It's cool that he's Wolverine and all, but he likes doing musicals and Broadway way more than action movies. And I understand him staying in the closet as an actor. I'd support him if he came out, but.. it's hard to tune out a person's sexuality when they're playing a role. Like if Rachel Maddow was in a movie as a straight chick. It's possible, but it's a stretch for the audience. Eventually, some day down the road, this will be less of an issue, but at this point, it's a necessary evil for working actors.


There's a good chance that she was hot before he got famous.
 
2013-09-29 01:29:35 PM  
What a narcissistic biatch...
 
2013-09-29 01:45:07 PM  
I just had this conversation the other day with a man - about unwanted male attention. Guys always seem to think their compliments are always appropriate or desired - and they are very wrong.

"I'm just saying you look nice." or "I'm just telling her she's pretty, what the hell is wrong with that?" "If a woman told me I looked nice, I certainly wouldn't be offended."

I could only explain that stripping a woman down to how she looks - despite her intellect, ambitions, accomplishments, her being - kind of makes you a jerk. She's more than just a pretty face, she's a human being. You're being rude and she's right to be offended.

I find it as hard to explain misogyny to men as it is to explain racism to white people. People only ever believe what they want to believe.
 
2013-09-29 01:50:04 PM  
If you're too much of anything, you're going to get shiat for it. Too fat, too thin, too ugly, too pretty - doesn't matter. If you're too pretty, you're automatically stupid, crazy, conceited, and will steal everyone's significant others right out from under their noses.

And of course, if you say you're too pretty, you are a whiner who obviously has no idea what "real" problems are and should just shut up and die.

Pretty people problems.
 
2013-09-29 01:56:39 PM  

The_Gallant_Gallstone: applejacks: What the fark happened to Pierce Brosnan's wife? That is nice he sticks by her despite being a major fatty.

I'd probably stick with her, but still sleep with tons of babes on the side.

Assuming I had a strong pre-nup, that mini Death Star would probably deal with it and enjoy the Celebrity Satellite lifestyle.


Or, maybe he's in love with her
 
2013-09-29 01:57:30 PM  

BishopHatto: Does she like Dickens Cider?


Yes, but only in the can.
 
2013-09-29 02:03:33 PM  

groppet: Awwwww poor baby. I don't see why she is so upset now she has gained weight and it seems they are not paying her the same attention so she is just another normie like the rest of us.


Exxxxaaaaaactly! Now that she's a chub she should be happy to be receiving less attention. Too bad she's full
 
2013-09-29 02:05:30 PM  

Eve L. Koont: groppet: Awwwww poor baby. I don't see why she is so upset now she has gained weight and it seems they are not paying her the same attention so she is just another normie like the rest of us.

Exxxxaaaaaactly! Now that she's a chub she should be happy to be receiving less attention. Too bad she's full


Ack! Damn phone.

...too bad she's full of shiat. Sounds like extreme narcissism. Period.
 
2013-09-29 02:05:36 PM  

Egalitarian: She has a point even if she's whiny and blaming too much of her current bad situation on the looks thing.


She has a point in the way that rich people have a point when they complain that people treat them differently because they're rich. Rich people don't have to display their wealth. Good looking people don't have to display their looks. This is only a problem for people who make it their problem.
 
2013-09-29 02:08:34 PM  

FnkyTwn: applejacks: http://listofcelebs.blogspot.com/2011/03/beauty-and-beast-pierce-bros n an-and.html

What the fark happened to Pierce Brosnan's wife?  That is nice he sticks by her despite being a major fatty.

Whatever, you should check out Hugh Jackman's wife:

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x563]

The rumor has always been that she's his *beard*. It's cool that he's Wolverine and all, but he likes doing musicals and Broadway way more than action movies. And I understand him staying in the closet as an actor. I'd support him if he came out, but.. it's hard to tune out a person's sexuality when they're playing a role. Like if Rachel Maddow was in a movie as a straight chick. It's possible, but it's a stretch for the audience. Eventually, some day down the road, this will be less of an issue, but at this point, it's a necessary evil for working actors.


One: she overtanned, you can tell, her skin's sun damaged. Two: she looks makeup free in that photo. You're used to middle-aged women (particularly actresses) being extremely made up, and often subject to small fortunes in skin care. Three, maybe he loves her how about that? Love isn't hotness contingent.
And four, he might be bisexual. Seriously why does everyone forget that bisexuality exists? And why the shiat does "musicals and Broadway" mean anything about someone's sexuality? Know who else got his start there?
www.damonchernavsky.com

/before they catch you you chainsmokin'
//word.
 
2013-09-29 02:10:50 PM  
Too beautiful? Get your nose busted. farkin easy that.
 
2013-09-29 02:11:16 PM  

Hermione_Granger: I find it as hard to explain misogyny to men as it is to explain racism to white people.


You're just obsessed with seeing yourself as a victim, aren't you?  The funny thing is that I know a black woman who is the diametric opposite of how you portray yourself, so at least someone is out there undoing the damage you cause.
 
2013-09-29 02:11:28 PM  

Hermione_Granger: I could only explain that stripping a woman down to how she looks - despite her intellect, ambitions, accomplishments, her being - kind of makes you a jerk. She's more than just a pretty face, she's a human being. You're being rude and she's right to be offended.


And stripping a man down to a sentence he said - despite his intellect, ambitions, accomplishments, his being, is what?
 
2013-09-29 02:23:35 PM  
I do feel a bit sorry for her only in that she seems to have a deep seated problem. But if I tried to count the number of times I was judged by or poorly treated by a member the opposite sex... Get up and get back on the horse, you will eventually find something.
 
2013-09-29 02:23:54 PM  
memestorage.com
 
2013-09-29 02:26:19 PM  
It's like Salon is an unfunny version of the Onion. It has to be a failed attempt at satire.
 
2013-09-29 02:28:32 PM  
Im so beautiful I once shot a man just for snoring.
 
2013-09-29 02:34:33 PM  

SuddenlySamhain: Im so beautiful I once shot a man just for snoring.


I don't know what your name is, so I'll just call you Fred.
 
2013-09-29 02:35:39 PM  

NetOwl: As a supremely ugly person (not fat-ugly, which can be fixed, but ugly-faced, which cannot be fixed), I have no sympathy for people like this.


Do you know what is more difficult than being pretty?  Being ugly.  If you think people don't take you seriously when you look good, well, try disfiguring your face.  See how many people take you seriously then.


Have you ever read one of those "Men's Rights" screeds about how male privilege doesn't exist?  Your letter reads just like those.


I would rather a below average face and nice firm body than a fatty with a pretty face.
 
2013-09-29 02:42:05 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: NetOwl: As a supremely ugly person (not fat-ugly, which can be fixed, but ugly-faced, which cannot be fixed), I have no sympathy for people like this.


Do you know what is more difficult than being pretty?  Being ugly.  If you think people don't take you seriously when you look good, well, try disfiguring your face.  See how many people take you seriously then.


Have you ever read one of those "Men's Rights" screeds about how male privilege doesn't exist?  Your letter reads just like those.

I would rather a below average face and nice firm body than a fatty with a pretty face.


I'm a fatty with a pretty face, and I do a lot better than my average looking non-fat friends.

A lot
 
2013-09-29 02:58:04 PM  
Ye Gods, I'm glad I am not a woman. It sounds very complicated.
 
2013-09-29 03:07:04 PM  

fireclown: Ye Gods, I'm glad I am not a woman. It sounds very complicated.


There's an opt out program for women called Not Giving A fark. Once you've properly installed the attitude, stuff like this isn't a problem. In fact, the attitude seems to send out signals to others to piss off with their rubbish. It works best when you don't have a lot of social contacts you're trying to impress.
 
2013-09-29 03:07:16 PM  
I am neither fat, nor am I ugly.
Actually, I'm a tall (6'3"), athletic, smart, good looking man who speaks well, plays a few musical instruments, can sing well if the need arises, love my mother and father, am a stern but fair and fun father, love babies and kids (I'm a teacher), love dogs and can cook a meal.

Also, I can fix things around the house and am very IT capable.

In short, I am pretty damn awesome. But you shouldn't really care so I won't bore you with my story.

/CSB
 
2013-09-29 03:10:38 PM  
There aren't that many things that grind my gears but it's this fad of pretty girls doing "ugly face" where they scrunch up their mug in a weird unflattering grimace. It's wholly innocent, but it makehme think they're "slumming" at being ugly. Hell, some of us have to be ugly all the time.
 
2013-09-29 03:15:59 PM  

Ker_Thwap: Yep exactly, it's usually the Daily Mail greenlights that have these "woman too awesome for ..." articles. Nice to see Salon is getting in the business too.


The good news is the Fark Fail Brigade didn't disappoint. Going on 4 full pages of screeching "WHAT A DUMB BIATCH!" crap over what amounts to a second-rate "Dear Abby" ripoff. An eight and a half year old Dear Abby ripoff at that.

And Farkers have the gall to accuse Reddit commenters of being stupid.
 
2013-09-29 03:23:44 PM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Reminds me of someone..

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 306x649]

The Hand! put Mr. Socko on it, and you've got the mandible claw!

 
2013-09-29 03:24:32 PM  

skozlaw: crap over what amounts to a second-rate "Dear Abby" ripoff. An eight and a half year old Dear Abby ripoff at that


Cary Tennis has been writing for Salon longer than 8 1/2 years, and has moreinsight in his pinky than Pauline or Jeanineever had in their entire bodies.
 
2013-09-29 04:11:11 PM  

TeamVanHelsing: [memestorage.com image 338x506]


That's great!
 
2013-09-29 04:25:15 PM  

beer4breakfast: Cary Tennis has been writing for Salon longer than 8 1/2 years


No, the article is nearly eight and a half years old. It was published in 2005.

/ old clickbait is so exciting!
 
2013-09-29 04:43:23 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-09-29 04:50:12 PM  

fireclown: Ye Gods, I'm glad I am not a woman. It sounds very complicated.


What till you hear about what happens to them once a month.
 
2013-09-29 04:53:30 PM  
"I was paid too much attention by men, so I gained weight and men won't pay attention to me, but I wish they would pay attention to me even though I'm fat but not pay attention to me efvseertnydrrhhygnnksy..."

The crazy you never stick your dick in.
 
2013-09-29 05:03:01 PM  

fredklein: She has "a genius IQ", but can't figure out why strangers, who don't know her, judge her on the one thing they do know about her-her looks, instead of personality and intelligence (which they don't know, because they don't know her).

/she also likes the word "glom".


THIS. I can't tell what your personality is like from 10 feet away. Nor can I discern your likes and dislikes, your intelligence or knowledge, your penchant for good wine or dirty jokes, or that you like to be tied up with silk scarves or men's neckties during sex. I cannot hear you, smell you, taste you or touch you from that distance.

But I can see you.

You might ask, "Well why not come over and talk to me and get to know these things?"
Fair question. The answer to that is a question in itself: "How do I choose between you and another woman when making the decision to approach and introduce myself?"

It's how you look. That is what men have used since we stood upright to make that decision, simply because it is the first information we can receive at a distance.

tl;dr - get over yourself, woman
 
2013-09-29 06:00:55 PM  
If she's such a genius, maybe she should invent the IQ Goggles for men to wear. One look at a woman while wearing those goggles will give you data about her IQ rating, her exam scores, her job and financial security. Then again, who cares about those things when people are more attracted to beauty anyway? Oh yeah, at least the IQ Goggles will tell gold diggers which woman is most likely an attention whore whom he could leech money off of.
 
2013-09-29 06:21:39 PM  

FunkOut: fireclown: Ye Gods, I'm glad I am not a woman. It sounds very complicated.

There's an opt out program for women called Not Giving A fark. Once you've properly installed the attitude, stuff like this isn't a problem. In fact, the attitude seems to send out signals to others to piss off with their rubbish. It works best when you don't have a lot of social contacts you're trying to impress.


And this^
 
2013-09-29 06:57:59 PM  
maybe someone like tom leykis could help
 
2013-09-29 06:58:29 PM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Hermione

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Hermione_Granger: I find it as hard to explain misogyny to men as it is to explain racism to white people.

You're just obsessed with seeing yourself as a victim, aren't you?  The funny thing is that I know a black woman who is the diametric opposite of how you portray yourself, so at least someone is out there undoing the damage you cause.



Well, to my credit, like most people, how I am on Fark, and how I in real life aren't exactly the same. Here, like most people, I'm a bit more honest.

That black woman you know - is not being honest with you about what she thinks - about anything - under any circumstances. She doesn't trust you and probably doesn't really like you. Or if she does, it's on the superficial level that most white people get to with black people.

LOL - wouldn't it be funny if I were the black woman you're talking about?

No, I don't see myself as a victim. I honestly go out into the world and try to see people as just people. But then people spout the most ignorant racist claptrap....and that's in person, it's worse online...and I have to wonder...what the hell is wrong with these people?

I'm honestly not trolling. But this is my life experience. For a long time I chose to ignore it. But in this space, I don't. I can't afford to and stay sane. There has to be one place and space in my life where I'm honest with white people about the damage and hurt their racism causes. For me Fark is that space.

And believe me, it's a weird space to choose. I know my comments about racism and misogyny are not appreciated. But then again, I don't like the racism and misogyny that Fark espouses in the name of humor.

In it's best moments, Fark is brilliant, witty, funny, enlightening. In it's worst moments Fark is seething with repressed hatred. It's an odd dichotomy.

But I refuse to stop talking about racism and sexism because they make people uncomfortable or angry, especially when it's the same discomfort and anger I feel being subjected to those sentiments just for wanting to have a bit of fun in my day.

If Farkers want me to stop talking about racism, then maybe they should be less racist. If they want women to stop talking about misogyny then maybe the "go make me a sammich crowd" should go make their own sammich and stop being jerks.

Just sayin

/end rant
 
2013-09-29 08:00:20 PM  
I'm maimed too! Reading this article, I rolled my eyes so hard that I tore some ligaments in my head.
 
2013-09-29 08:00:41 PM  
I'm a fat, not-very-attractive older woman and I have been fat since birth. Enough so that a photo in a newspaper article about me and my Dad on Father's day had a caption that mentioned how lucky I was that I was too young to realize I was fat. I grew up tallish at 5'11", very heavy, with size 13 feet and a size 8 head, and with generally what most people charitably called 'a very large frame'. In other words, I was a bit of an Amazon. And fat.

I'm saying all of this because I am pretty grateful I was able to live my life as a fat woman. Nobody paid attention to me directly. I was able to devote myself to my family, my PhD thesis in graduate school, my research and my friends. I had and have awesome friends who don't give a crap about my being a fat chick.

No problems dating, no issues with guys harrassing me for attention, no instant handouts to make me lazy, and a good sense of humor to deal with life's issues. Life wasn't a red carpet and it made me work harder.

And yea, I'm still fat, after a physics PhD, a kid, and many decades of fun living my life off the beaten path. I never let being fat get in the way of physical activity, travelling, or my career, though I have to deal with prejudice of various sorts every day of my life. I regularly deal with the 'Jack's look of surprise' in conversation when the goofy fat girl turns out to be a biophysicist faculty member.

Married twice, second time to a Farker and we're living a pretty good life right now.

As for surgery, or weight loss, I'm still pretty active and still trying to lose some weight by limiting carbs and exercise. It comes and goes with the seasons and my work load, but I'm probably going to die fat someday if my health ever goes to hell, which it may or may not given my family's track record.

Anyway, I'm rambling on to say all this, to say that if being 'beautiful' means I couldn't have live my life the way I have, scratching out each accomplishment without easy hand-ups, then I don't know if I'd be the same satisfied individual. If you're attractive enough that you enjoy a lot of boosts from other people and a lot of fairly free resources and money, more power to you, but I had such fun on my way through the harder scrabble that I can feel sorry for the fact that you'll never experience the same thing.

The lady in the article should realize that by getting fat and less attractive, she's been given a reprieve and the ability to move on with her life, free of distractions and attentions that are pretty shallow and useless. Here's hoping she got to use that opportunity to make a life for herself.
 
2013-09-29 08:27:34 PM  

Hermione_Granger: That black woman you know - is not being honest with you about what she thinks - about anything - under any circumstances. She doesn't trust you and probably doesn't really like you. Or if she does, it's on the superficial level that most white people get to with black people.


You really don't even know how farked up you sound when you assume you're in the head of a person you never met just because she's another black woman, do you?   The sad fact is, you're so busy looking for racism and sexism everywhere else, you don't even realize how apparent your "isms" are to the rest of us.  You are the thing you hate, but you're too blinded by hate to see it.

/And no, she really likes me. Either that or she really hates her daughter.
 
2013-09-29 08:45:53 PM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Hermione_Granger: That black woman you know - is not being honest with you about what she thinks - about anything - under any circumstances. She doesn't trust you and probably doesn't really like you. Or if she does, it's on the superficial level that most white people get to with black people.

You really don't even know how farked up you sound when you assume you're in the head of a person you never met just because she's another black woman, do you?   The sad fact is, you're so busy looking for racism and sexism everywhere else, you don't even realize how apparent your "isms" are to the rest of us.  You are the thing you hate, but you're too blinded by hate to see it.

/And no, she really likes me. Either that or she really hates her daughter.




Apparently you missed the thread yesterday about the black women dancers at the fashion show.

Carry on.
 
2013-09-29 08:56:35 PM  

NetOwl: As a supremely ugly person (not fat-ugly, which can be fixed, but ugly-faced, which cannot be fixed), I have no sympathy for people like this.


Do you know what is more difficult than being pretty?  Being ugly.  If you think people don't take you seriously when you look good, well, try disfiguring your face.  See how many people take you seriously then.


Have you ever read one of those "Men's Rights" screeds about how male privilege doesn't exist?  Your letter reads just like those.


Yeah, but the thing is, being  too noticeable comes with what the woman FTFA mentions. Women are objectified. You're getting the short end. She's getting the short end. I'm getting the short end. Guess what?  We're all screwed by objectification of women, ugly or pretty. You two don't have opposing problems that can't exist in the same world. You have the same problem.
 
2013-09-29 09:36:48 PM  

Hermione_Granger: In it's best moments, Fark is brilliant, witty, funny, enlightening. In it's worst moments Fark is seething with repressed hatred.


But it seems that in all moments, Fark is unable to distiguish its from it is.
 
2013-09-29 09:37:57 PM  
Had a friend some years ago, smoking hot blond, super high IQ, could have posed for playboy, stopped traffic, especially in the spandex outfit!   BUT.... Hated the attention! Hated the free drinks, hated the whole thing even whilst dressing to kill all the time (There's that spandex again). Mind you as a bartender this paid very well.
She moved to Fort Collins, Colorado as a friend said she would prefer the tone of life there. After about a month she called me complaining all the guys must be gay, because hot as she was the dudes in fort Collins just didn't yell "babe" ( or for that matter _anything!) as she crossed the street. Not the way the New Yorkers did. Maybe they were more respectful of women, or short sighted? I don't know. I thought she would finally be happy. Nope, it pissed her off so much she moved back to the harassing New yorkers exactly one year later.
Still smoking hot... still hating the attention, still wearing the hottest outfits! Yep spandex again..   WTF!
 
2013-09-29 09:54:58 PM  

Hermione_Granger: BraveNewCheneyWorld: HermioneBraveNewCheneyWorld: Hermione_Granger: I find it as hard to explain misogyny to men as it is to explain racism to white people.

You're just obsessed with seeing yourself as a victim, aren't you?  The funny thing is that I know a black woman who is the diametric opposite of how you portray yourself, so at least someone is out there undoing the damage you cause.

Well, to my credit, like most people, how I am on Fark, and how I in real life aren't exactly the same. Here, like most people, I'm a bit more honest.

That black woman you know - is not being honest with you about what she thinks - about anything - under any circumstances. She doesn't trust you and probably doesn't really like you. Or if she does, it's on the superficial level that most white people get to with black people.


I wonder: how do you know this?

LOL - wouldn't it be funny if I were the black woman you're talking about?

You claim to be more honest here than normal. You named the persona you project after a famous white character: many people simply assume that online personas are white, and I've little doubt that you would call this hurtful, but the persona you project explicitly reinforces that assumption for your persona. In light of all this, it would be absolutely hilarious if you turned out to be the black woman being referenced here.

But I don't think you are. I don't think you're in her head, and I don't think you think for her. So I ask again: how do you know this about her? You call her dishonest: is that really her own dishonesty, or a projection of yours?

But I refuse to stop talking about racism and sexism because they make people uncomfortable or angry, especially when it's the same discomfort and ...

I have a philosophical question. When a thing is spoken, who decides what it means: the speaker, or the listener?
 
2013-09-29 10:10:43 PM  
I knew a girl who was strikingly beautiful at 14, knock-dead gorgeous at 16, happy and settled by 22.
After her first baby she grew pleasant-looking and ordinary. No weight gain; the lovely bits just... settled.
Things could have turned out so much worse for her, but AFAIK she's enjoying her stable family life now.
Apparently she felt no need to "rebel" against "objectification" by turning herself into a fat, embittered cow.
The good looks did their job, she found a suitable mate, reproduced, and got on with the business of life.
 
2013-09-30 01:02:42 AM  

Hermione_Granger: I just had this conversation the other day with a man - about unwanted male attention. Guys always seem to think their compliments are always appropriate or desired - and they are very wrong.

"I'm just saying you look nice." or "I'm just telling her she's pretty, what the hell is wrong with that?" "If a woman told me I looked nice, I certainly wouldn't be offended."

I could only explain that stripping a woman down to how she looks - despite her intellect, ambitions, accomplishments, her being - kind of makes you a jerk. She's more than just a pretty face, she's a human being. You're being rude and she's right to be offended.

I find it as hard to explain misogyny to men as it is to explain racism to white people. People only ever believe what they want to believe.


Perhaps the problem is that you're explaining by using an example of something that isn't misogyny.

Sticking to actual examples of misogyny probably would help, but the word has lost most of its meaning at this point through overuse, so perhaps you shouldn't be faulted for it.

One could make the argument that wildly leaping to the conclusion that any man that notices a woman is attractive must by definition be incapable of thinking of her in any other way is a bit misandrist, however.
 
2013-09-30 01:38:07 AM  
So many fat, bitter dudes in here.

It's a legitimate issue but it's quite understandable that it would be so far from your experience that you cannot conceive how it would work.
 
2013-09-30 05:29:41 AM  

Hermione_Granger: I just had this conversation the other day with a man - about unwanted male attention. Guys always seem to think their compliments are always appropriate or desired - and they are very wrong.

"I'm just saying you look nice." or "I'm just telling her she's pretty, what the hell is wrong with that?" "If a woman told me I looked nice, I certainly wouldn't be offended."

I could only explain that stripping a woman down to how she looks - despite her intellect, ambitions, accomplishments, her being - kind of makes you a jerk. She's more than just a pretty face, she's a human being. You're being rude and she's right to be offended.

I find it as hard to explain misogyny to men as it is to explain racism to white people. People only ever believe what they want to believe.


I have you tagged as "White-hating misogynistic racist".  To my almost bewilderment, you continue to consistently live up to that tag.
How do you propose men "break the ice" when attempting to make conversation with an unknown woman?  In my experience most women who go out with a group of lady friends dress themselves up to gather just that kind of attention.  A man flattering a woman over her Louboutins typically does not garner the kind of male-hatred you think it does.

Also this:

pseudowho: Perhaps the problem is that you're explaining by using an example of something that isn't misogyny.

Sticking to actual examples of misogyny probably would help, but the word has lost most of its meaning at this point through overuse, so perhaps you shouldn't be faulted for it.

One could make the argument that wildly leaping to the conclusion that any man that notices a woman is attractive must by definition be incapable of thinking of her in any other way is a bit misandrist, however.

 
2013-09-30 05:39:46 AM  
Dammit.  That should have read "White-hating misandrist racist".  My hands got ahead of my brain while typing.
Though, I could probably argue the misogyny angle pretty easily as well.
 
2013-09-30 07:18:35 AM  

bibli0phile: You all realize this article is 8 years old right?


Damn, I was so happy to submit a hilariously greenlightable article that I didn't notice the date, since I followed a "recommended" link from today's article.

/First green
//Thread turned a fail into awesome!
 
2013-09-30 07:32:13 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Honestly, I've known "beautiful" women, like modelesque classical beauties, but they don't look like much from across the room. In my experience the women who get the most unwanted attention are slightly chubby chicks with giant tits who wear low cut shirts, with cleavage that can be seen from across the street.


You forgot about the push-up bra, dark eye liner, and tight mini-dress. And for the truly desperate, body briefers to suck in the fat.
 
2013-09-30 07:51:28 AM  

Abox: I could have been an ax murderer and they would have accepted it because of my looks


I personally would love to meet an ultra-hottie with an interesting side-hobby.


i516.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-30 08:54:11 AM  

WhiskeyBoy: A man flattering a woman over her Louboutins typically does not garner the kind of male-hatred you think it does.


I looked at your profile and I think you're a fairly handsome man. I'm sorry for my reverse misogyny. I'm prepared to accept your completely reasonable outrage.

I understand, because when a man tells me he thinks I'm attractive I feel like I've been mentally raped and humiliated.

/rape culture, yada yada
//yes I said rape twice
 
2013-09-30 08:59:42 AM  

WhiskeyBoy: Dammit.  That should have read "White-hating misandrist racist".  My hands got ahead of my brain while typing.
Though, I could probably argue the misogyny angle pretty easily as well.


It's ok. It's easy to confuse someone pointing out bad behavior with actually being the one to perpetuate that bad behavior. Kind of like police who blame the people in the bank for not stopping the bank robber.

But I'm not the Patty Hurst of misogyny and racism. Pointing it out does not mean I'm joining in or makes me the prime suspect.

That's your own bias talking and it's fairly common. No YOU must hate white people....because you felt discriminated against. No YOU must hate men...because a lot of men's attitudes about women belong in the dark ages.

See, it must be me. Because otherwise you'd have to examine your own issues far too closely for your comfort. It's much easier just to blame me and make me out to be a biatch for daring to say anything at all.
 
2013-09-30 09:51:46 AM  

Hermione_Granger: See, it must be me. Because otherwise...


Do you ever wonder why so many people have you farkied as a racist?
 
2013-09-30 10:10:47 AM  

Hermione_Granger: WhiskeyBoy: Dammit.  That should have read "White-hating misandrist racist".  My hands got ahead of my brain while typing.
Though, I could probably argue the misogyny angle pretty easily as well.

It's ok. It's easy to confuse someone pointing out bad behavior with actually being the one to perpetuate that bad behavior. Kind of like police who blame the people in the bank for not stopping the bank robber.


The problem with this analogy is that in this case, the "bad behavior" is a thought. I propose that it is possible for a person to believe that he or she is "pointing out bad behavior," but in fact be operating from skewed perceptions driven by the very same sorts of thoughts. In a situation like that, the "pointing out bad behavior" would in fact be bad behavior, would it not?

But I'm not the Patty Hurst of misogyny and racism. Pointing it out does not mean I'm joining in or makes me the prime suspect.

I (and, I suspect, many others in your opposition) believe that the situation I outlined above is, in fact, the situation you are in. You are "pointing out" nothing but your own faulty perceptions, and rather than adjust your perception to match the reality -something only you can do, because we cannot think for you- you simply repeat your perception again and again, as though repetition would bend reality to match it.

I reiterate my philosophical question. When a thing is spoken, who decides what it means: the speaker, or the listener? I ask this question because I believe that our points of view concerning the issue at hand depend heavily on the way we answer this more general question. For my part, I believe that the speaker decides. What do you believe?
 
2013-09-30 10:46:42 AM  
Stopped reading as soon as she mentioned her "genius IQ".

There is no such thing - which anyone with even just your garden variety high IQ true would know.
 
2013-09-30 11:23:38 AM  

Hermione_Granger: WhiskeyBoy: Dammit.  That should have read "White-hating misandrist racist".  My hands got ahead of my brain while typing.
Though, I could probably argue the misogyny angle pretty easily as well.

It's ok. It's easy to confuse someone pointing out bad behavior with actually being the one to perpetuate that bad behavior. Kind of like police who blame the people in the bank for not stopping the bank robber.

But I'm not the Patty Hurst of misogyny and racism. Pointing it out does not mean I'm joining in or makes me the prime suspect.

That's your own bias talking and it's fairly common. No YOU must hate white people....because you felt discriminated against. No YOU must hate men...because a lot of men's attitudes about women belong in the dark ages.

See, it must be me. Because otherwise you'd have to examine your own issues far too closely for your comfort. It's much easier just to blame me and make me out to be a biatch for daring to say anything at all.



No.  Just no.  You see, the thing is, I'm neither racist or misogynistic, and you jumping to those conclusions should be a big red flag to you for your own approach to these issues.  I'm old enough to have learned and dealt with life's issues.  In fact, I'm probably what most people would describe as average, and boring.  You and I both disapprove of racists, misogynists and others in their ilk.  You just hate them so much that you see it in everything, and everyone.  You've lost touch with the reality of reality.
 
2013-09-30 12:22:24 PM  
She never sought attention. MRA farkwits publicized the letter so they could blame the woman for seeking publicity and being an attention whore, per their usual tactics. The evidence is all in the article for anyone not already predisposed to shoveling MRA credo as a primary hobby.

Fark actually has an ugly MRA problem already. Forum posts? sure, Greenlights? no. Way too many MRA troll posts being greenlit these days just so the insecure can have their yet another calling out all women on their insecurities thread.
 
2013-09-30 12:40:19 PM  

Protricity: She never sought attention.


Writing a letter to a public news outlet doesn't qualify as seeking attention?

I agree with you that she wasn't seeking the sort of attention she has turned out to get. But to say that she wasn't seeking attention at all is, I think, rather far-fetched. She chose Salon, after all, and that's not an outlet known for employing MRA farkwits. More likely, I think, is that she expected an outpouring of public sympathy.

MRA farkwits publicized the letter so they could blame the woman for seeking publicity and being an attention whore, per their usual tactics. The evidence is all in the article for anyone not already predisposed to shoveling MRA credo as a primary hobby.

Salon has a legion of MRA farkwits on their staff? That would be news to me. They're no Jezebel -few outlets are- but they have a long and reliable track record of staunch opposition to that sort of thing. All I see in the article, at the absolute worst, is an appeal to use her agency: that if she does not want to be seen as an object to be acted upon, she needs to stop waiting (or asking) to be acted upon, and instead act in her own right. Is that really MRA farkwittery?
 
2013-09-30 12:53:41 PM  
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2013-09-30 01:34:20 PM  
My name is Lena, and....I like being told I'm pretty. I know, i know...I'm supposed to hate it and complain, but gotdammit, I was not an attractive youth until late high school, and I felt, keenly, the lack of objectification that my more comely friends enjoyed.

I have, as long as I can remember, enjoyed random compliments. They are nice words, and as long as someone doesn't get angry at only receiving gracious thanks in return, rather than accepting their proffered penii, it is pleasant.

She needs to stop taking herself so seriously. That's unattractive as hell.
 
2013-09-30 01:40:15 PM  

Millennium: I have a philosophical question. When a thing is spoken, who decides what it means: the speaker, or the listener?



If you are my GF speaking to me- it's the speaker who decides.  If you are my GF listening to me....it's the listener.
 
2013-09-30 02:34:19 PM  

rogue_L_chick: My name is Lena, and....I like being told I'm pretty. I know, i know...I'm supposed to hate it and complain, but gotdammit, I was not an attractive youth until late high school, and I felt, keenly, the lack of objectification that my more comely friends enjoyed.


I'm sorry that is not allowed.  You will have to surrender your woman card immediately.  Hand it over.
 
2013-09-30 03:48:05 PM  

rogue_L_chick: My name is Lena, and....I like being told I'm pretty. I know, i know...I'm supposed to hate it and complain, but gotdammit, I was not an attractive youth until late high school, and I felt, keenly, the lack of objectification that my more comely friends enjoyed.

I have, as long as I can remember, enjoyed random compliments. They are nice words, and as long as someone doesn't get angry at only receiving gracious thanks in return, rather than accepting their proffered penii, it is pleasant.

She needs to stop taking herself so seriously. That's unattractive as hell.




But if I do that, or enjoy looking at you, probably even so much as think to myself "Wow, that woman is beautiful", I'm a misogynistic bastard apparently.
 
2013-09-30 05:26:48 PM  

Huggermugger: Gergesa: NetOwl: Do you know what is more difficult than being pretty? Being ugly. If you think people don't take you seriously when you look good, well, try disfiguring your face. See how many people take you seriously then.

This.  I think there have been a few articles about how ugly people generally have much more difficulty in life than attractive people.

I'm an ugly woman, and I wasted way too much time thinking that if I was attractive it would solve all my problems, but I've since seen so many men treat beautiful women like raw sewage while at the same time feeling conflicted about their overwhelming attraction to said women, that I don't entirely envy them.

My perfect world would be to have the ability to switch it on and off for about an hour a week. Otherwise, I prefer living life being invisible to most men. It's worth the absence of harassment and sexual assault. Being stared at is definitely a form of harrassment. Men have a very hard time understanding that, but a lot of those same men are also very skittish and defensive if they are forced to interact with women they consider repulsive.


Take what you want, and pay for it. You could be the object of male attraction. Is that what you want?

For one thing, lose the weight so you'll be healthy. Also, being beautiful isn't just about being the target of sexual assault. Be healthy and take care of your body. Not just physically, but emotionally. Life happens on many levels. Build yourself up. Grow a thick skin. Grow yourself, FTW.
 
2013-09-30 05:54:41 PM  

ocendot: Sounds like she's looking for love in all the wrong places. She consciously (or perhaps not) picks the wrong guy, and when things go south she says ,"Uh huh! See! see!". Meanwhile there a lot of great guys she can't see because she's not looking for the. She gets off on playing the victim.


How dare she not date men she's not attracted to.
 
2013-09-30 07:08:34 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: ocendot: Sounds like she's looking for love in all the wrong places. She consciously (or perhaps not) picks the wrong guy, and when things go south she says ,"Uh huh! See! see!". Meanwhile there a lot of great guys she can't see because she's not looking for the. She gets off on playing the victim.

How dare she not date men she's not attracted to.


OK then, she's pathologically attracted to jerks. What's the definition of insanity?
 
2013-09-30 07:33:18 PM  

rogue_L_chick: My name is Lena, and....I like being told I'm pretty. I know, i know...I'm supposed to hate it and complain, but gotdammit, I was not an attractive youth until late high school, and I felt, keenly, the lack of objectification that my more comely friends enjoyed.

I have, as long as I can remember, enjoyed random compliments. They are nice words, and as long as someone doesn't get angry at only receiving gracious thanks in return, rather than accepting their proffered penii, it is pleasant.

She needs to stop taking herself so seriously. That's unattractive as hell.


You look good in your profile picture and you seem well grounded and nice.
 
2013-09-30 10:22:04 PM  
She sounds fat.
 
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