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(Talking Points Memo)   "No observer can deny that the rise of crisis governance comes entirely from the GOP. Sufficient evidence of this comes from 2007 and 2008, when Dems won majorities in Congress and adopted none of these tactics with an already unpopular Pres. Bush"   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 189
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2013-09-28 09:02:36 PM
But I thought both sides were the same.
 
2013-09-28 09:04:49 PM
In before those deniers arrive

/and they WILL be here
 
2013-09-28 09:05:34 PM
Repubs had the house, senate and presidency for 5 years (nearly 6) under Bush.

Remember how spending was cut? Remember how Democrats blocked everything?

No? BECAUSE IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. Republicans have proven beyond any doubt they are pathetic, childish f*ckwads who don't give a flying f*ck about America.

Anyone that can look back even 13 years should know that. Unfortunately, willful ignorance is part of the "conservative" brand...
 
2013-09-28 09:11:57 PM
The author is right; the Tea Party and its adherents fundamentally do not believe in a federal government the likes of which we know it. That is, a federal governmernet of the type that has existed in America in the last century. They believe that the rise of federal power in the modern era is an aberration; that a government governs best that governs least. Or, as Grover Norquist put it, "I'd like to shrink government small enough so that I can drown it in a bathtub."

Thus, when these people are elected to office, the threat of a government shutdown means nothing to them; it's what they wanted in the first place. They exist in a world where the government should never have come into existence in its present state, and the current American belief that the government can be good is the ideology of the "takers."

They have forgotten the last part of the Gettysburg Address. "and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."

We did not create this great nation in order that it would do nothing for its people. We created it so that the people could live a better life. It's the dream of The United States of America, the nation, the government. You cannot drown that dream in a bathtub.

Stand strong, Americans, stand strong against those who would hurt the nation in the name of "freedom."
 
2013-09-28 09:22:51 PM

Rincewind53: The author is right; the Tea Party and its adherents fundamentally do not believe in a federal government the likes of which we know it. That is, a federal governmernet of the type that has existed in America in the last century. They believe that the rise of federal power in the modern era is an aberration; that a government governs best that governs least. Or, as Grover Norquist put it, "I'd like to shrink government small enough so that I can drown it in a bathtub."

Thus, when these people are elected to office, the threat of a government shutdown means nothing to them; it's what they wanted in the first place. They exist in a world where the government should never have come into existence in its present state, and the current American belief that the government can be good is the ideology of the "takers."

They have forgotten the last part of the Gettysburg Address. "and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."

We did not create this great nation in order that it would do nothing for its people. We created it so that the people could live a better life. It's the dream of The United States of America, the nation, the government. You cannot drown that dream in a bathtub.

Stand strong, Americans, stand strong against those who would hurt the nation in the name of "freedom."


They don't believe any of this shiat. They are nothing more than the recurrent revanchist base of American conservatism which believes that this country is basically for their 'tribe' of white, straight Christians and that governance by anyone else, or anyone who claims to represent anyone else, is invalid. Once the right type of person (in their eyes) is President again, they won't follow through on any of their so-called ideological beliefs.
 
2013-09-28 09:27:14 PM

Rincewind53: The author is right; the Tea Party and its adherents fundamentally do not believe in a federal government the likes of which we know it. That is, a federal governmernet of the type that has existed in America in the last century. They believe that the rise of federal power in the modern era is an aberration; that a government governs best that governs least. Or, as Grover Norquist put it, "I'd like to shrink government small enough so that I can drown it in a bathtub."

Thus, when these people are elected to office, the threat of a government shutdown means nothing to them; it's what they wanted in the first place. They exist in a world where the government should never have come into existence in its present state, and the current American belief that the government can be good is the ideology of the "takers."

They have forgotten the last part of the Gettysburg Address. "and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."

We did not create this great nation in order that it would do nothing for its people. We created it so that the people could live a better life. It's the dream of The United States of America, the nation, the government. You cannot drown that dream in a bathtub.

Stand strong, Americans, stand strong against those who would hurt the nation in the name of "freedom."


Bullshiat.

Not the stand strong against those who would hurt the nation part. Bullshiat to them actually believing this shiat.

The only people that actually believe that crap is the useful idiot and the puppets they prop up in the elections.

The power players of these movements want a strong government. A strong government they own that serves them directly. One more tool in the "more for me and less for everyone else" tool shed. One that gets them more property, more taxpayer money, more contracts, more tax cuts, more more more.

The only people that believe the "small government" b.s. are those with small minds.

Want proof?
Look at any point in the last 33 years when the "small government" people got to be in charge of the government.
 
2013-09-28 09:32:06 PM

MurphyMurphy: Bullshiat.

Not the stand strong against those who would hurt the nation part. Bullshiat to them actually believing this shiat.

The only people that actually believe that crap is the useful idiot and the puppets they prop up in the elections.

The power players of these movements want a strong government. A strong government they own that serves them directly. One more tool in the "more for me and less for everyone else" tool shed. One that gets them more property, more taxpayer money, more contracts, more tax cuts, more more more.

The only people that believe the "small government" b.s. are those with small minds.

Want proof?
Look at any point in the last 33 years when the "small government" people got to be in charge of the government.


As I said in the other thread, dismissing them as useful idiots and puppets is dangerous. It makes the movement into one that's entirely rational, one that can be bargained with as a result. This government shutdown and debt ceiling debate are great examples of the fact that it isn't the monied interests that are in charge right now. If the U.S. defaults, that would be  really bad for the economy. Wall Street would take a huge hit, Treasury Securities would suddenly lose value, and the monied interests would feel the hurt in their pockets.

The Tea Party is not a conspiracy theory. It's a reality, and it is filled with true believers. Sure, there are those who go along solely due to political expediency, like John Boehner, but if you insist that it's nothing but money at stake, they will do a lot more harm before you realize that their belief is their true danger.
 
2013-09-28 09:35:47 PM

Rincewind53: It's a reality, and it is filled with true believers.


It depends by what you mean by "believers". The Tea Party is a group of true believers in abstract slogans, with absolutely no belief in the means of getting it done. And I don't mean they don't know HOW to get it done, I mean they don't believe in getting it done. They are people who say "cut the budget in half", but when you ask them if they want to reduce spending on X, Y and Z specifically by half, they say no to everything. Nothing so perfectly encapsulated this idea than when the very members of the House who voted for Paul Ryan's budget then went to their appropriations committee to actually appropriate funds based on that budget, they failed to get the bill out of committee because these same people refused to vote for it.
 
2013-09-28 09:38:19 PM

DamnYankees: Rincewind53: It's a reality, and it is filled with true believers.

It depends by what you mean by "believers". The Tea Party is a group of true believers in abstract slogans, with absolutely no belief in the means of getting it done. And I don't mean they don't know HOW to get it done, I mean they don't believe in getting it done. They are people who say "cut the budget in half", but when you ask them if they want to reduce spending on X, Y and Z specifically by half, they say no to everything. Nothing so perfectly encapsulated this idea than when the very members of the House who voted for Paul Ryan's budget then went to their appropriations committee to actually appropriate funds based on that budget, they failed to get the bill out of committee because these same people refused to vote for it.


As I said, they don't care. They're government nihilists. They don't believe in the modern federal government.
 
2013-09-28 09:39:34 PM

Rincewind53: As I said, they don't care. They're government nihilists. They don't believe in the modern federal government.


In the abstract. Not in the specifics. This is why as I said they are not best understood as a function of their relationship to a particular perspective on government, but a revanchist social movement.
 
2013-09-28 09:41:20 PM

DamnYankees: Rincewind53: As I said, they don't care. They're government nihilists. They don't believe in the modern federal government.

In the abstract. Not in the specifics. This is why as I said they are not best understood as a function of their relationship to a particular perspective on government, but a revanchist social movement.


Oh yes, I agree entirely. And like many social movements, surprisingly effective at coming out of left field, taking control of the discourse, and then having no clue where to go from there.
 
2013-09-28 09:50:47 PM

Rincewind53: MurphyMurphy: Bullshiat.

Not the stand strong against those who would hurt the nation part. Bullshiat to them actually believing this shiat.

The only people that actually believe that crap is the useful idiot and the puppets they prop up in the elections.

The power players of these movements want a strong government. A strong government they own that serves them directly. One more tool in the "more for me and less for everyone else" tool shed. One that gets them more property, more taxpayer money, more contracts, more tax cuts, more more more.

The only people that believe the "small government" b.s. are those with small minds.

Want proof?
Look at any point in the last 33 years when the "small government" people got to be in charge of the government.

As I said in the other thread, dismissing them as useful idiots and puppets is dangerous. It makes the movement into one that's entirely rational, one that can be bargained with as a result. This government shutdown and debt ceiling debate are great examples of the fact that it isn't the monied interests that are in charge right now. If the U.S. defaults, that would be  really bad for the economy. Wall Street would take a huge hit, Treasury Securities would suddenly lose value, and the monied interests would feel the hurt in their pockets.

The Tea Party is not a conspiracy theory. It's a reality, and it is filled with true believers. Sure, there are those who go along solely due to political expediency, like John Boehner, but if you insist that it's nothing but money at stake, they will do a lot more harm before you realize that their belief is their true danger.


No, that's not what I mean. Though I will say the ones with the money might be a modicum more rational than their base constituency (only because they have so much more to lose if we all lose completely)


The big money interests have harnessed the power of the irrational to grind the gears down as slow as they can get them to spin. This doesn't mean they want small or non-functioning government. They just want as little government action as possible that is outside their realm of control.

If the monied interests weren't in control you'd have your shutdown already a year ago. There are a few louder cooks that may be outside of the sphere of control, but they are most certainly useful idiots even if they are. Because that party line vote WILL fracture before it hurts the pockets of their owners too severely. That is where you'll see the truly insane break with the bought and paid for.

Until then the theater of the insane, whether they are truly insane or not can only serve those who wish to stop actions like the ACA.

I agree there are some real nuts. But their numbers are not nearly enough to be an actual majority in the house (thank god) and I don't think they'll ever be allowed to be that numerous.

They don't control the party. They'd sure like to, and they are throwing their weight around and they may be the loudest and try to control the tone... but they are not all of that. (not yet anyways)  And they are very much being used by those that are happy at even an outside chance of killing the ACA.
 
2013-09-28 10:24:41 PM
I yelled at the TV when I heard about the GOP's latest efforts to delay Obamacare by a year due to their sudden interest in making sure the program works.

Biggest bunch of phonies in DC.

/Feel bad for the TV, it gets yelled at a lot when I watch sports/news
 
2013-09-28 10:25:29 PM
And... we're off!
 
2013-09-28 10:27:08 PM
The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can't pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies.

Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that 'the buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.
 
2013-09-28 10:29:35 PM
So it can't possibly be Obama's fault because the problems didn't happen before Obama became president?
 
2013-09-28 10:30:18 PM

Aristocles: mediablitz: Repubs had the house, senate and presidency for 5 years (nearly 6) under Bush.

Remember how spending was cut? Remember how Democrats blocked everything?

No? BECAUSE IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

That's because the GOP was actually willing to work with the dems. Unlike the current situation where BOB and the dems think that they can just trample on the the GOP and the AMerican people.


In summation:

Duuurrrrrrrrr.

Did you parents have any children they were proud of?
 
2013-09-28 10:31:12 PM
Mrbogey: The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can't pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies.

Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that 'the buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.
I have no idea what the debt ceiling actually is.


FTFY
 
2013-09-28 10:32:56 PM
We have even warning the GOP to excercise with caution when the extremist first came to the scene. Now these economic terrorists have hijacked the party and toying with the American economy all because Obama had the audacity to win re-election.

This is nothing but utter contempt for America.

I just hope Obama sticks to his guns. This isn't the time to give into the hijacker's demands.
 
2013-09-28 10:33:01 PM

Meliorist: So it can't possibly be Obama's fault because the problems didn't happen before Obama became president?


President Obama is absolutely not at fault for Republicans deciding to act like petulant douchebags. Republicans are responsible for how Republicans have acted.
 
2013-09-28 10:33:03 PM

Mrtraveler01: Mrbogey: The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can't pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies.

Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that 'the buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.I have no idea what the debt ceiling actually is.

FTFY


He's quoting Obama, who said that in 2006 when the dems were in the minority.
 
2013-09-28 10:35:04 PM

mediablitz: Repubs had the house, senate and presidency for 5 years (nearly 6) under Bush.

Remember how spending was cut? Remember how Democrats blocked everything?


That's sorta the point. Republicans worked with Dems to keep spending tons of money and that kept the Dems happy. You think the Dems were going to block AIDS drugs for Africa? It annoyed the base when Bush kept compromising and working with Dems but he kept doing it. Now the roles are flipped and Democrats reject the idea of compromise. Fundamentally, it's hard to negotiate with Democrats when they start off demanding 100% of their demands and aren't accepting anything less.
 
2013-09-28 10:35:31 PM
Why do they want the country to burn?  Can anyone explain this to me?
 
2013-09-28 10:35:56 PM

Aristocles: That's because the GOP was actually willing to work with the dems.


Lay off the crack pipe. That's not how it went.

They got tax cuts for the rich on a vote by Dick Cheney. That's some great negotiating.
 
2013-09-28 10:36:17 PM
There are enough votes in the House to pass a clean CR bill (all Dems plus a few pro-biz GOPers), but Boehner won't let that vote happen. Or shall we say, Grand Vizier Cantor won't let it happen, because he's too busy pandering to a handful of teahadists.
 
2013-09-28 10:36:56 PM

Mrbogey: Americans deserve better.


Says who?

Who do you think chose these fine people on the c-span cameras?

Mrbogey: Leadership means that 'the buck stops here.


Yeah, but if you are trying to translate "the buck stops here" as "the debt stops here" then I have this unfortunate thing called 'reality' that's going to put a damper on your fiscal ideals.

You better start looking for a magic wand, as apparently that is precisely the "leadership" you're looking for.
 
2013-09-28 10:36:58 PM

Mrtraveler01: Mrbogey: The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can't pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies.

Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that 'the buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.I have no idea what the debt ceiling actually is.

FTFY


Haha... yea, Obama is not retarded but certainly of mediocre intelligene however he knows what the debt ceiling is, most certainly.
 
2013-09-28 10:37:19 PM
Fine. Let it all crash and burn. You GOTP f*cks will burn along with it. I don't give a sh*t any longer.
 
2013-09-28 10:37:54 PM

Mrtraveler01: Mrbogey: The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can't pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies.

Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that 'the buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.I have no idea what the debt ceiling actually is.

FTFY


He is quoting Obama's statement on his no vote when he was a senator. Something he later said he regretted.

Of course them the people voting no knew it would pass anyway and were doing it as symbolic gesture and they did not make a list of demands.
 
2013-09-28 10:38:34 PM

DamnYankees: He's quoting Obama, who said that in 2006 when the dems were in the minority.


Anyone ever tell you how you can tell when a politician is lying?
 
2013-09-28 10:39:11 PM

Mrbogey: mediablitz: Repubs had the house, senate and presidency for 5 years (nearly 6) under Bush.

Remember how spending was cut? Remember how Democrats blocked everything?

That's sorta the point. Republicans worked with Dems to keep spending tons of money and that kept the Dems happy. You think the Dems were going to block AIDS drugs for Africa? It annoyed the base when Bush kept compromising and working with Dems but he kept doing it. Now the roles are flipped and Democrats reject the idea of compromise. Fundamentally, it's hard to negotiate with Democrats when they start off demanding 100% of their demands and aren't accepting anything less.


Troll like typing detected. Avoid additional correspondence.
 
2013-09-28 10:39:33 PM

Thrag: Mrtraveler01: Mrbogey: The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can't pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies.

Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that 'the buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.I have no idea what the debt ceiling actually is.

FTFY

He is quoting Obama's statement on his no vote when he was a senator. Something he later said he regretted.

Of course them the people voting no knew it would pass anyway and were doing it as symbolic gesture and they did not make a list of demands.


Yeah, it's pretty clear that when Obama said that, he also had no idea what the debt ceiling was.
 
2013-09-28 10:39:33 PM

Kittypie070: Fine. Let it all crash and burn. You GOTP f*cks will burn along with it. I don't give a sh*t any longer.


Why are you willing to destroy this country? That's pretty horrid that you'd do that just to "win" an argument you wouldn't actually win.

Since you don't care any more then, can you support a CR that strips Obamacare funding? Since you don't care anymore.
 
2013-09-28 10:40:17 PM

Kittypie070: Fine. Let it all crash and burn. You GOTP f*cks will burn along with it. I don't give a sh*t any longer.


well sure, you would say that. you have kitty litter to put your fire out

all I have is this stack of student loan bills.

wait.....
 
2013-09-28 10:41:37 PM

Mrbogey: Kittypie070: Fine. Let it all crash and burn. You GOTP f*cks will burn along with it. I don't give a sh*t any longer.

Why are you willing to destroy this country? That's pretty horrid that you'd do that just to "win" an argument you wouldn't actually win.

Since you don't care any more then, can you support a CR that strips Obamacare funding? Since you don't care anymore.


Can you answer this question for me:

Why are the GOP such sore losers when it comes to Obamacare?
 
2013-09-28 10:42:07 PM

DynoFARKjr: Why do they want the country to burn?  Can anyone explain this to me?


The president is blah.
 
2013-09-28 10:42:20 PM

Mrtraveler01: Why are the GOP such sore losers when it comes to Obamacare? everything in the history of goddamn everything?

 
2013-09-28 10:42:51 PM

Mrtraveler01: Why are the GOP such sore losers when it comes to Obamacare?


Why didn't Democrats give up after Hillarycare failed to take off. Bunch of sore losers.

The fight doesn't end only when you win.
 
2013-09-28 10:43:15 PM

Mrbogey: mediablitz: Repubs had the house, senate and presidency for 5 years (nearly 6) under Bush.

Remember how spending was cut? Remember how Democrats blocked everything?

That's sorta the point. Republicans worked with Dems to keep spending tons of money and that kept the Dems happy. You think the Dems were going to block AIDS drugs for Africa? It annoyed the base when Bush kept compromising and working with Dems but he kept doing it. Now the roles are flipped and Democrats reject the idea of compromise. Fundamentally, it's hard to negotiate with Democrats when they start off demanding 100% of their demands and aren't accepting anything less.



ICEMAN TO BASE BOGEY SITED, SHOULD WE ENGAGE?

NEGATIVE ICEMAN, THAT'S A NEGATIVE. STAY ABOVE THE DECK!
 
2013-09-28 10:43:47 PM

T-Servo: There are enough votes in the House to pass a clean CR bill (all Dems plus a few pro-biz GOPers), but Boehner won't let that vote happen. Or shall we say, Grand Vizier Cantor won't let it happen, because he's too busy pandering to a handful of teahadists.


Because like it or not (I don't), those "teahadists" are running the party at the moment.

I'm just waiting for the inevitable moment when the GOP finally hits rock bottom and ditches the Tea Party (or at least the lunatic fringe of it).

I just hope it doesn't cause too much damage to the country when they do.
 
2013-09-28 10:45:46 PM
For many this is being driven by a visceral hatred of Obama.  It's also being driven because the Republicans are afraid that once Obamacare gets a toehold the public will accept it and like it and more important credit the Democrats for it.  The truth is we could have already had some form of healthcare reform and the Republicans could have taken credit.  Romney showed in Massachusetts that a Republican could institute healthcare reform and the Democrats would have bought in.  From many articles I've read Romneycare isn't much different than Obamacare and I'm convinced that Bush could have made Romneycare the model for nationwide healthcare reform.  Only the Bush Administration wasn't interested in healthcare.  A pointless and fruitless war in Iraq was deemed more important.  So the Republicans have no one to blame but themselves.
 
2013-09-28 10:46:10 PM
Mrbogey: Why are you AM I willing to destroy this country? That's pretty horrid that you'd I'D do that just to "win" an argument you I wouldn't actually win.

Since you don't care any more then, can you support a CR that strips Obamacare funding? Since you don't care anymore. babbling strawman irrelevancy

FTFY, you acephalous tea bagger.
 
2013-09-28 10:46:25 PM

Mrbogey: Mrtraveler01: Why are the GOP such sore losers when it comes to Obamacare?

Why didn't Democrats give up after Hillarycare failed to take off. Bunch of sore losers.

The fight doesn't end only when you win.


How is that an equal comparison?

Hillarycare failed and as a result, the Dems modified Hilarycare based on ideas from the Heritage Foundation and the like to help cater to the more conservative members of the Democrats and possibly a few Republicans.

What has the GOP offered that compares to that?

Why can't you admit that the GOP is sore that it lost the Obamacare fight in the Supreme Court and this is their last ditch attempt to derail it before it goes online?
 
2013-09-28 10:46:41 PM
 
2013-09-28 10:48:02 PM

DamnYankees: Mrtraveler01: Mrbogey: The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can't pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies.

Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that 'the buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.I have no idea what the debt ceiling actually is.

FTFY

He's quoting Obama, who said that in 2006 when the dems were in the minority.


also before the market crash and the loss of jobs. when Bush was cutting taxes, starting wars and hiding the price tag for it off the books. Obama offered to cut the deficit by 4 trillion and the GOP walked away years ago. Remember that?
 
2013-09-28 10:48:39 PM

DynoFARKjr: Why do they want the country to burn?  Can anyone explain this to me?


they're going to blame it on the black guy
 
2013-09-28 10:50:46 PM
Meanwhile stuff like this is why I find it hard to believe the GOP is negotiating in good faith:

http://www.ajc.com/weblogs/jay-bookman/2013/aug/29/ga-insurance-chie f- brags-about-sabotage-obamacare/
 
2013-09-28 10:52:11 PM

DynoFARKjr: Why do they want the country to burn?  Can anyone explain this to me?


So they can win in 2014 and 2016.  That's literally the only thing they care about.

A bunch of sociopaths.
 
2013-09-28 10:54:48 PM

runwiz: For many this is being driven by a visceral hatred of Obama.  It's also being driven because the Republicans are afraid that once Obamacare gets a toehold the public will accept it and like it and more important credit the Democrats for it.  The truth is we could have already had some form of healthcare reform and the Republicans could have taken credit.  Romney showed in Massachusetts that a Republican could institute healthcare reform and the Democrats would have bought in.  From many articles I've read Romneycare isn't much different than Obamacare and I'm convinced that Bush could have made Romneycare the model for nationwide healthcare reform.  Only the Bush Administration wasn't interested in healthcare.  A pointless and fruitless war in Iraq was deemed more important.  So the Republicans have no one to blame but themselves.


It's actually more than that.

Let's accept for the moment that the establishment GOP are not retarded.  Let's assume that beneath the bluster and arrogance and astounding hypocrisy lies a group of men and (a few) women who can read polls and understand racial voting shifts and can read the writing on the wall.

Let's assume for the moment that the unseen and unremarkable group of people who control the GOP realize that their day is waning and their chances at ever reclaiming the White House is dimming ever more with every election and they lack even the ability to find a candidate that doesn't terrify a majority of America.

Well, they're not going to give up on power, you can forget that.  So, what do you do when you can't win within the system?  You either go outside of the system or you change the system to your advantage.

Going outside the system is Revolution and they lack the numbers for that, so they're stuck with trying to fundamentally change the system.

Voter repression, Voter ID laws are just the first step in this.

The most blatant step was discovered within their last attempt to defund Obamacare.

They insisted that any and every Executive expenditure of 100 million or more would have to approved by the Congress first before it could be enacted.

Their game, I believe, is to drain the power from the Executive Branch and give it to the Congress, of which, they can still win, at least to some small degree.

In short, if they can no longer win the Presidency, they'll make it an irrelevant branch of the government.
 
2013-09-28 10:55:08 PM

mediablitz: Repubs had the house, senate and presidency for 5 years (nearly 6) under Bush.

Remember how spending was cut? Remember how Democrats blocked everything?

No? BECAUSE IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. Republicans have proven beyond any doubt they are pathetic, childish f*ckwads who don't give a flying f*ck about America.

Anyone that can look back even 13 years should know that. Unfortunately, willful ignorance is part the entirety of the "conservative" brand...


FTFY.
 
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