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(The New York Times)   Harry Reid responds to the latest GOP plan: "Today's vote by House Republicans is pointless. The American people will not be extorted by Tea Party anarchists"   (nytimes.com) divider line 256
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2013-09-28 07:58:16 PM
I do enjoy it when Reid gets pissed off.
 
2013-09-28 08:26:38 PM
Heh... bet that will light up Freeperville tonight
 
2013-09-28 08:28:47 PM
Jesus, guys - The legislative branch has become an absolute three-ring circus.  WTF is going on down there?
 
2013-09-28 08:39:14 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: WTF is going on down there?


The tea party elected the internet equivalent of a bunch of trolls.
 
2013-09-28 08:40:39 PM
I'm utterly pissed because the hiring program I'm going through right now for a federal job is likely to be put on hold.

It's the kind of anger that barely even expresses itself in angry outbursts because it is  that deep.
 
2013-09-28 08:42:16 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Jesus, guys - The legislative branch has become an absolute three-ring circus.  WTF is going on down there?


By way of metaphor, a man in a suicide bomber vest just walked into the halls of Congress and demanded that he be declared the King of America, and is screaming about how "The Democrats made me do this, and if you don't make me King of America, I'll blow up this bomb  and it will be your fault!"
 
2013-09-28 09:04:57 PM

Rincewind53: I'm utterly pissed because the hiring program I'm going through right now for a federal job is likely to be put on hold.

It's the kind of anger that barely even expresses itself in angry outbursts because it is  that deep.


:(

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2013-09-28 09:10:42 PM

Rincewind53: Benevolent Misanthrope: Jesus, guys - The legislative branch has become an absolute three-ring circus.  WTF is going on down there?

By way of metaphor, a man in a suicide bomber vest just walked into the halls of Congress and demanded that he be declared the King of America, and is screaming about how "The Democrats made me do this, and if you don't make me King of America, I'll blow up this bomb  and it will be your fault!"


And my question is, How the fark did he get into the halls of Congress in the first place?  Where were the police?

This is why the Whips exist.  Poor Kevin McCarthy has to be praying for farking death by now.  And being Majority Whip was supposed to be such a good gig, a real setup for more power later...

But yeah - we know the GOP is out of hand, and especially the Tea Party is out of hand.  But the question is, how the hell did this get so out of hand?
 
2013-09-28 09:12:42 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Rincewind53: Benevolent Misanthrope: Jesus, guys - The legislative branch has become an absolute three-ring circus.  WTF is going on down there?

By way of metaphor, a man in a suicide bomber vest just walked into the halls of Congress and demanded that he be declared the King of America, and is screaming about how "The Democrats made me do this, and if you don't make me King of America, I'll blow up this bomb  and it will be your fault!"

And my question is, How the fark did he get into the halls of Congress in the first place?  Where were the police?

This is why the Whips exist.  Poor Kevin McCarthy has to be praying for farking death by now.  And being Majority Whip was supposed to be such a good gig, a real setup for more power later...

But yeah - we know the GOP is out of hand, and especially the Tea Party is out of hand.  But the question is, how the hell did this get so out of hand?


Lawyers, guns, and money
 
2013-09-28 09:18:02 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: And my question is, How the fark did he get into the halls of Congress in the first place?  Where were the police?

This is why the Whips exist.  Poor Kevin McCarthy has to be praying for farking death by now.  And being Majority Whip was supposed to be such a good gig, a real setup for more power later...

But yeah - we know the GOP is out of hand, and especially the Tea Party is out of hand.  But the question is, how the hell did this get so out of hand?


Three things:

1.) Fox News and the right-wing media-o-sphere. As David Frum said "Republicans originally thought that Fox worked for us and now we're discovering we work for Fox."
2.) The candidates that win primaries are those that can drag the most voters to the polls in a time when almost no-one votes for primary candidates. The type of person elected under the Tea Party banner typically draws fanatical support from the 20-30% of the Republican party that truly believes Obama is a socialist fascist. As a result, moderate candidates lose even when 70% of their party supports them, because the 70% doesn't show up.
3.) Gerrymandered districts. There was a great article linked on Fark a little while ago showing that the Tea Party folks who signed a letter demanding Obama repeal the ACA represented districts where Romney won by an average of 23%. Therefore, in their little enclaves of right-wing America,  this is all totally acceptable, and they see themselves as the vanguard of  the normal people.

Kittypie070: :(

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Yesplz.
 
2013-09-28 09:20:50 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Rincewind53: Benevolent Misanthrope: Jesus, guys - The legislative branch has become an absolute three-ring circus.  WTF is going on down there?

By way of metaphor, a man in a suicide bomber vest just walked into the halls of Congress and demanded that he be declared the King of America, and is screaming about how "The Democrats made me do this, and if you don't make me King of America, I'll blow up this bomb  and it will be your fault!"

And my question is, How the fark did he get into the halls of Congress in the first place?  Where were the police?

This is why the Whips exist.  Poor Kevin McCarthy has to be praying for farking death by now.  And being Majority Whip was supposed to be such a good gig, a real setup for more power later...

But yeah - we know the GOP is out of hand, and especially the Tea Party is out of hand.  But the question is, how the hell did this get so out of hand?


Money.

Lots and lots and lots of money.

There is a direct correlation between the distribution of wealth and the leverage of monied interests in controlling the democratic processes that are supposed to govern us all.

This is what a rigged game looks like.

This is the insistence of those who refuse to compromise. To them, compromise doesn't pay. They have nothing to lose by grinding the system to a halt because they are on top. No matter what happens, they are best placed to benefit from it. Hell, they can even hedge against a loss they cause.

It's the silent fear of those who know they will be organized against if they attempt to bring rational discussion back to the table.

It's about delaying progress. It's about stopping a shift back towards the corrupt but organized "sanity" we used to enjoy in our legislatures. It's never been so good for the 1% and they will be damned if they ever have to give an inch back to this society.

Money. The answer is always money.
 
2013-09-28 09:24:01 PM

MurphyMurphy: Money. The answer is always money.


It's a good answer, but it's too simple. The true believers who come from rural districts aren't in this for money. You can dismiss them as simply patsies and useful puppets, but I think that's dangerously ignoring the reality of their beliefs.
 
2013-09-28 09:41:54 PM

Rincewind53: MurphyMurphy: Money. The answer is always money.

It's a good answer, but it's too simple. The true believers who come from rural districts aren't in this for money. You can dismiss them as simply patsies and useful puppets, but I think that's dangerously ignoring the reality of their beliefs.


Who is ignoring the reality of their beliefs?

What do you think most of that money is being spent cementing?

The only people ignoring those people's "rural beliefs" (for lack of a better term) is the party that has spent so much money pandering to those beliefs.
 
2013-09-28 09:47:30 PM

Rincewind53: MurphyMurphy: Money. The answer is always money.

It's a good answer, but it's too simple. The true believers who come from rural districts aren't in this for money. You can dismiss them as simply patsies and useful puppets, but I think that's dangerously ignoring the reality of their beliefs.


Some of them believe it, but I honestly think most of them are simply pandering to the terrified white demographic.  They're Tucker Max Goes to Washington.  They're that asshole you knew in college who would be obnoxious while people around them were trying to study, just to watch them get upset.  The asshole who wold just grin and double down when you asked him to knock it the fark off.

They're having the time of their lives - attention, power, and some really great Scotch.  But I'm still puzzled how the GOP leadership allowed it to get to this point.
 
2013-09-28 09:59:48 PM
[plants self firmly in Rincewind53's lap]
 
2013-09-28 10:21:17 PM
The American people will not be extorted by Tea Party anarchists

True, more likely they will be scammed by Liberal bank robbers.
 
2013-09-28 10:23:51 PM
I don't think I've ever been this depressed by politics.  Even in the worst moments of the Bush Administration, the neocons in their own weird way at least thought what they were doing was in the best interests of America.  Their ideology may have been stupid and ill-advised, but at least there was a logic to it.  The Tea Party just doesn't give a shiat.  They think their fellow Americans are the enemy.  They seem only to want to punish the rest of us for not conforming to their ideal.  I've been watching this stuff for going on 40 years and I still don't fully understand how the country got to this point.
 
2013-09-28 10:23:59 PM
The reason Harry Reid used the word "anarchists" instead of "douchebags" is because he didn't want Summers' Eve suing him for slander for comparing their product to a Teabagger.
 
2013-09-28 10:26:01 PM

Mentat: I don't think I've ever been this depressed by politics.  Even in the worst moments of the Bush Administration, the neocons in their own weird way at least thought what they were doing was in the best interests of America.  Their ideology may have been stupid and ill-advised, but at least there was a logic to it.  The Tea Party just doesn't give a shiat.  They think their fellow Americans are the enemy.  They seem only to want to punish the rest of us for not conforming to their ideal.  I've been watching this stuff for going on 40 years and I still don't fully understand how the country got to this point.


I disagree with this. Neocons are far more craven and care way less. At least the tea party has a self conception on populism.
 
2013-09-28 10:39:48 PM
Why doesn't Mr. Reid call a presser every frickin day and just state the facts.
 
2013-09-28 10:50:37 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: The American people will not be extorted by Tea Party anarchists

True, more likely they will be scammed by Liberal bank robbers.


Now hold on. I thought it was a good thing for banks to pull sleazy shenanigans on people. Now you accuse the Holy Banks, Blessed Be They of being liberals!?
 
2013-09-28 10:51:56 PM

Rincewind53: and it will be your fault!


"I don't mean to hurt you America," said the Tea Party. "It's just that I love you- I love you  so much.C'mon baby, let's not have any sort of centralized health care system, and I promise I won't hit you again, baby."
 
2013-09-28 11:07:26 PM
As damaging as a shutdown will be, Reid makes a good point. If the GOP got [insert current demands as of... 10:04:16 PM CDT], they would immediately come up with a new objection, because if they don't, they go home and get primaried by someone who tosses out just a little bit more red meat.

We get it. They object to the federal government, in every form and in every manner, apparently based on the assumption that everyone else is on the take to the same degree as them, just the same way they're virulently anti-gay, right up until the exact second their own kid comes out of the closet.
 
2013-09-28 11:21:48 PM
The moderate Republicans that are left should all switch parties to Dem. If the d!ckhead Teahadists are going to primary them with a Teabagger for being reasonable, they might as well switch to Dem and face their Teaparty challenger in the general election where they stand a better chance, rather than in a primary.
 
2013-09-28 11:26:25 PM
Well, if Lord Harry Reid rejects the government funding bill and the government doesn't get funded, then Lord Harry Reid is responsible for the shutdown.  It's as simple as that.
 
2013-09-28 11:27:32 PM
What many Democrats may not have considered is that Republicans may be actively eager to shoot their hostage.
What many Republicans may not have considered is that their opposition to gun control leaves the American people equipped to shoot the Republicans in turn.
 
2013-09-28 11:30:53 PM

SkinnyHead: Well, if Lord Harry Reid rejects the government funding bill and the government doesn't get funded, then Lord Harry Reid is responsible for the shutdown.  It's as simple as that.


LOGIC
 
2013-09-28 11:31:45 PM
Well, if Lord Harry Reid rejects the government funding bill and the government doesn't get funded, then Lord Harry Reid is responsible for the shutdown.  Potato.

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2013-09-28 11:35:41 PM

SkinnyHead: Well, if Lord Harry Reid rejects the government funding bill and the government doesn't get funded, then Lord Harry Reid is responsible for the shutdown.  It's as simple as that.


LHR corrected the flawed bill the House sent him and sent it back for them to accept. They rejected it and then messed it up again. It's as simple as that.
 
2013-09-28 11:40:36 PM

shower_in_my_socks: The moderate Republicans that are left should all switch parties to Dem. If the d!ckhead Teahadists are going to primary them with a Teabagger for being reasonable, they might as well switch to Dem and face their Teaparty challenger in the general election where they stand a better chance, rather than in a primary.


Except, of course, that the idea that the Democrats would welcome their local Republicans with open arms and farking RUN THEM is a somewhat unusual and quite possibly LSD-fueled pipe dream.
 
2013-09-28 11:42:40 PM

SkinnyHead: Well, if Lord Harry Reid rejects the government funding bill and the government doesn't get funded, then Lord Harry Reid is responsible for the shutdown.  It's as simple as that.


There you go, Republicans are the wife beaters of the political world. "She made me hit her by not doing what I wanted! She shouldn't make me so mad, it's her fault that I hit her". I can just hear them now.
 
2013-09-28 11:53:20 PM
Why do you people quote NarrowCranium?  Leave it to die, for pity's sake.
 
2013-09-28 11:55:56 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: shower_in_my_socks: The moderate Republicans that are left should all switch parties to Dem. If the d!ckhead Teahadists are going to primary them with a Teabagger for being reasonable, they might as well switch to Dem and face their Teaparty challenger in the general election where they stand a better chance, rather than in a primary.

Except, of course, that the idea that the Democrats would welcome their local Republicans with open arms and farking RUN THEM is a somewhat unusual and quite possibly LSD-fueled pipe dream.



1. Any Republican who switches parties to Dem, ESPECIALLY in this climate, will be treated as a farking HERO by Democrats.

2. If you're in a moderately conservative congressman in a center-right region, who would you rather primary against? A Democrat, or a Tea Party nut?

3. You would still benefit from being the incumbent.
 
2013-09-28 11:58:24 PM
And the circle of derp is complete
 
2013-09-29 12:01:11 AM

shower_in_my_socks: Benevolent Misanthrope: shower_in_my_socks: The moderate Republicans that are left should all switch parties to Dem. If the d!ckhead Teahadists are going to primary them with a Teabagger for being reasonable, they might as well switch to Dem and face their Teaparty challenger in the general election where they stand a better chance, rather than in a primary.

Except, of course, that the idea that the Democrats would welcome their local Republicans with open arms and farking RUN THEM is a somewhat unusual and quite possibly LSD-fueled pipe dream.


1. Any Republican who switches parties to Dem, ESPECIALLY in this climate, will be treated as a farking HERO by Democrats.

2. If you're in a moderately conservative congressman in a center-right region, who would you rather primary against? A Democrat, or a Tea Party nut?

3. You would still benefit from being the incumbent.


Bullshiat.  Arlen Specter had the entire state Democratic party behind him and he couldn't pull off a primary after he played traitor from the Republicans.  Everyone sees you as a turncoat.
 
2013-09-29 12:06:22 AM

shower_in_my_socks: Benevolent Misanthrope: shower_in_my_socks: The moderate Republicans that are left should all switch parties to Dem. If the d!ckhead Teahadists are going to primary them with a Teabagger for being reasonable, they might as well switch to Dem and face their Teaparty challenger in the general election where they stand a better chance, rather than in a primary.

Except, of course, that the idea that the Democrats would welcome their local Republicans with open arms and farking RUN THEM is a somewhat unusual and quite possibly LSD-fueled pipe dream.


1. Any Republican who switches parties to Dem, ESPECIALLY in this climate, will be treated as a farking HERO by Democrats.

2. If you're in a moderately conservative congressman in a center-right region, who would you rather primary against? A Democrat, or a Tea Party nut?

3. You would still benefit from being the incumbent.


1.  Have you ever dealt with a political party?  Any Republican who defects will be distrusted by the Democrats.  The smart thing will be to stay GOP and vote Dem for 2 years, and THEN defect.  Then, you might have a chance.  Maybe.

2. If the district is center-right, I prefer the Dem.  If it's far right, then perhaps the people dont; want me to represent them.

3. Maybe yes, maybe no, if the GOP does more gerrymandering.
 
2013-09-29 12:06:52 AM

shower_in_my_socks: Benevolent Misanthrope: shower_in_my_socks: The moderate Republicans that are left should all switch parties to Dem. If the d!ckhead Teahadists are going to primary them with a Teabagger for being reasonable, they might as well switch to Dem and face their Teaparty challenger in the general election where they stand a better chance, rather than in a primary.

Except, of course, that the idea that the Democrats would welcome their local Republicans with open arms and farking RUN THEM is a somewhat unusual and quite possibly LSD-fueled pipe dream.


1. Any Republican who switches parties to Dem, ESPECIALLY in this climate, will be treated as a farking HERO by Democrats.

2. If you're in a moderately conservative congressman in a center-right region, who would you rather primary against? A Democrat, or a Tea Party nut?

3. You would still benefit from being the incumbent.


1. My guess is Democrats don't need more blue dog democrats. Their party has already drifted to the right to fill the power void created when the Republicans got pulled further right by the Tea Party.

2. If you're a Republican who's being threatened by a Tea Party challenger, it's highly likely that you aren't in a moderately conservative district. So playing that game is just wasting time and campaign money.

3. You would be hurt more by being a flip-flopper.
 
2013-09-29 12:08:50 AM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: The American people will not be extorted by Tea Party anarchists

True, more likely they will be scammed by Liberal bank robbers.


What does this even  mean.
 
2013-09-29 12:17:29 AM

Lsherm: 1. Any Republican who switches parties to Dem, ESPECIALLY in this climate, will be treated as a farking HERO by Democrats.

2. If you're in a moderately conservative congressman in a center-right region, who would you rather primary against? A Democrat, or a Tea Party nut?

3. You would still benefit from being the incumbent.

Bullshiat.  Arlen Specter had the entire state Democratic party behind him and he couldn't pull off a primary after he played traitor from the Republicans.  Everyone sees you as a turncoat.


Oh, yes, you're ONE anecdotal example proves my opinion "bullshiat." And it's about a guy who publicly stated that he was switching parties because he was already trailing his primary challenger by double digits. There are a lot of factors involved that are unique to every election, and there aren't enough examples of this at the national level to prove it one way or the other based on historical evidenc.

I will point out, however, that Peter Peyser successfully won both the Dem primary and the election after he switched parties in '77, and congresswoman Carolyn McCarthy switched from Rep to Dem in 1996 when she ran for election for the first time - she won and has been in office ever since. I'm sure I could find other examples if I cared to look it up.
 
2013-09-29 12:39:51 AM

Coco LaFemme: Why do you people quote NarrowCranium?  Leave it to die, for pity's sake.


we people just don't ignore him and the other obvious trolls, is beyond me.
 
2013-09-29 12:45:14 AM

Lsherm: Bullshiat. Arlen Specter had the entire state Democratic party behind him and he couldn't pull off a primary after he played traitor from the Republicans. Everyone sees you as a turncoat.


That's because everyone knew that Arlen Specter was a mercenary who only switched parties to save his job.  It was a craven political act and the liberals punished him for it.  If a Republican jumped based on conscious something to the effect of "I don't care what they do to me, but I can't let them take down the country", the reception would be a lot different.
 
2013-09-29 01:15:50 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Jesus, guys - The legislative branch has become an absolute three-ring circus.  WTF is going on down there?


Government of the people, by the people, and for the people.
 
2013-09-29 01:19:00 AM

abb3w: What many Democrats may not have considered is that Republicans may be actively eager to shoot their hostage.
What many Republicans may not have considered is that their opposition to gun control leaves the American people equipped to shoot the Republicans in turn.


Don't you mean their support for gun control as a government shutdown means all the gun supporters can NOT get their guns till the shutdown is over?
 
2013-09-29 01:28:41 AM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: The American people will not be extorted by Tea Party anarchists

True, more likely they will be scammed by Liberal bank robbers.


So why isn't the Republican party hijacking the economy to force in banking reform?  Or some new kind of oversight?  Why are they targeting the thing that will most likely be the only thing that makes sure my father will live comfortably for whatever time he has left?

/pancreatitis sucks
 
2013-09-29 01:30:05 AM

Aristocles: Voters will remember how Senate dems forced this shut down and default

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You mean how the republicans acted like petulant children in order to defund a law that was passed through the House, Senate, Supreme Court, and was backed up by a mandate in the 2012 election, and then Harry Reid had to show them that the government is serious when it says that it won't negotiate with terrorists?  Because that's how I will remember it.
 
2013-09-29 01:33:33 AM

Coco LaFemme: Why do you people quote NarrowCranium?  Leave it to die, for pity's sake.

assets.nydailynews.com
 
2013-09-29 01:34:17 AM

Aristocles: BubbaWayne: Aristocles: Voters will remember how Senate dems forced this shut down and default

[dingyharry.com image 280x300]

You mean how the republicans acted like petulant children in order to defund a law that was passed through the House, Senate, Supreme Court, and was backed up by a mandate in the 2012 election, and then Harry Reid had to show them that the government is serious when it says that it won't negotiate with terrorists?  Because that's how I will remember it.

BOB's cronies and other business are exempt from the mandate for a year... why shouldn't the American people be exempt for a year as well?


Who the fark is Bob?
 
2013-09-29 01:34:23 AM

Kittypie070: Rincewind53: I'm utterly pissed because the hiring program I'm going through right now for a federal job is likely to be put on hold.

It's the kind of anger that barely even expresses itself in angry outbursts because it is  that deep.

:(

[encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com image 259x194] ?


I heard you were a troll.
 
2013-09-29 01:35:51 AM

BubbaWayne: Aristocles: BubbaWayne: Aristocles: Voters will remember how Senate dems forced this shut down and default

[dingyharry.com image 280x300]

You mean how the republicans acted like petulant children in order to defund a law that was passed through the House, Senate, Supreme Court, and was backed up by a mandate in the 2012 election, and then Harry Reid had to show them that the government is serious when it says that it won't negotiate with terrorists?  Because that's how I will remember it.

BOB's cronies and other business are exempt from the mandate for a year... why shouldn't the American people be exempt for a year as well?

Who the fark is Bob?


Please stop responding to him. Seriously, please. I refuse to use ignore but his posts are so frequent and he is so prolific at getting responses to obvious trolling that I might have to.
 
2013-09-29 01:38:42 AM
Extortionists? Anarchists? The Tea Party?

Harry Reid said this?

*golf clap*

The judges would have also excepted "Terrorists" there.

Not negotiating with terrorists who have repeatedly done nothing but engage in bad faith negotiations in the past is good policy.

Keep forgetting Reid was a boxer in his youth.

Looks like he's heard the bell and is getting ready for the fight of his life.

Forget the Thrilla from Manilla, this is the Raucous in the Caucus 2013.

Let's get ready to RUUUUMMMBBLLEE!!
 
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