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2013-09-28 08:30:53 PM  
Well after 30 years the only way you are gonna get em is if the dumbass is dumb enough to brag about it.
 
2013-09-28 08:36:03 PM  
They must have Sgt. Peterson on the case...
 
2013-09-28 08:36:06 PM  
This is giving me a headache. I need a....
 
2013-09-28 08:36:39 PM  
You know, I swear that those murders were the catalyst for the fear society we live in today. It was like we as a nation suddenly realized that really bad stuff can happen to us completely by chance, and we all freaked out.

/Next time you unwrap a plastic bag that has been sealed in another plastic bag "for your protection", be sure to pop an ibuprofen in the tamperer's memory
 
2013-09-28 08:37:02 PM  
Hmmm, hang the guy, but before he goes thank him for modern product safety!
 
2013-09-28 08:39:18 PM  
And back then, they didn't automatically try to connect it to terrorism. Ah the days of reason. Now if that happened, every Federal alphabet government department would be involved and would try to tie it to Al-Quaida, and would try to stir up a frenzy.
 
2013-09-28 08:40:23 PM  

Darkrover2: Hmmm, hang the guy, but before he goes thank him for modern product safety!


They should hang him for the fact that you now have to open a sealed box, an imprinted shrink wrap plastic seal, and a layer of foil that GODDAMMIT WHY DON'T THEY AT LEAST PUT A FARKING LIFT TAB ON THIS just to get into a bottle of Ibuprofen to take care of that pounding Saturday morning headache.
 
2013-09-28 08:43:57 PM  

buzzcut73: Darkrover2: Hmmm, hang the guy, but before he goes thank him for modern product safety!

They should hang him for the fact that you now have to open a sealed box, an imprinted shrink wrap plastic seal, and a layer of foil that GODDAMMIT WHY DON'T THEY AT LEAST PUT A FARKING LIFT TAB ON THIS just to get into a bottle of Ibuprofen to take care of that pounding Saturday morning headache.


Sarcasm, friend....relax
 
2013-09-28 08:45:28 PM  
I'm not saying it was this guy.

1960 - U.S. Patent (# 2,937,481) is awarded to Jack Palmer, in which his concept and process of Induction Sealing is made public.
 
2013-09-28 08:47:14 PM  

twomutts: You know, I swear that those murders were the catalyst for the fear society we live in today. It was like we as a nation suddenly realized that really bad stuff can happen to us completely by chance, and we all freaked out.

/Next time you unwrap a plastic bag that has been sealed in another plastic bag "for your protection", be sure to pop an ibuprofen in the tamperer's memory


Yeah, I think it really was the start of the "safety at any cost" mentality that is so pervasive today.

It's had a huge negative impact on all of us.
 
2013-09-28 08:49:00 PM  
I grew up in Arlington Heights. I still remember being in Junior High and there was an announcement on the intercom system that anyone that had Tylonol in their locker had to bring it to the office immediately.
 
2013-09-28 08:49:11 PM  

skinink: And back then, they didn't automatically try to connect it to terrorism. Ah the days of reason. Now if that happened, every Federal alphabet government department would be involved and would try to tie it to Al-Quaida, and would try to stir up a frenzy.


Well the odds are terrorist acts are done by radical Muslims.
Like it or not.
 
2013-09-28 08:49:30 PM  

buzzcut73: Darkrover2: Hmmm, hang the guy, but before he goes thank him for modern product safety!

They should hang him for the fact that you now have to open a sealed box, an imprinted shrink wrap plastic seal, and a layer of foil that GODDAMMIT WHY DON'T THEY AT LEAST PUT A FARKING LIFT TAB ON THIS just to get into a bottle of Ibuprofen to take care of that pounding Saturday morning headache.


perhaps don't drink as much on Friday night and you will not have to deal with the headache on Saturday?
 
2013-09-28 08:49:47 PM  
Is this the guy off Something Awful who's grandpa claimed to have done it? Because that was really, really interesting.
 
2013-09-28 08:54:31 PM  

twomutts: You know, I swear that those murders were the catalyst for the fear society we live in today. It was like we as a nation suddenly realized that really bad stuff can happen to us completely by chance, and we all freaked out.

/Next time you unwrap a plastic bag that has been sealed in another plastic bag "for your protection", be sure to pop an ibuprofen in the tamperer's memory


There was a pin prick in a double foiled rubber I used .
I probably shouldn't have used it more than once...but times were tough.


Both went to college.

/Sons, daddy loves you
 
2013-09-28 08:56:45 PM  

wichitaleaf: skinink: And back then, they didn't automatically try to connect it to terrorism. Ah the days of reason. Now if that happened, every Federal alphabet government department would be involved and would try to tie it to Al-Quaida, and would try to stir up a frenzy.

Well the odds are terrorist acts are done by radical Muslims.
Like it or not.


when it comes to terrorist acts, the most likely culprits are more likely going to be some lone loony wackadoodle than any religous or political conspiracy. and that is more often how it has played out..

but thanks for playing the irrational fear game.
 
2013-09-28 08:57:47 PM  

Randal2477: They must have Sgt. Peterson on the case...

Does he have Abe Froman as a suspect?
 
2013-09-28 09:01:12 PM  

trotsky: Is this the guy off Something Awful who's grandpa claimed to have done it? Because that was really, really interesting.


No... link?
 
2013-09-28 09:03:41 PM  

Oldiron_79: Well after 30 years the only way you are gonna get em is if the dumbass is dumb enough to brag about it.


Seeing as the article said they took fingerprint and DNA samples from three suspects I'm guessing they have evidence of both of those in the case. Of course by now the chances of this persons DNA/prints getting put into the system are slim, but it could still happen.
 
2013-09-28 09:05:59 PM  
Endive Wombat:
perhaps don't drink as much on Friday night and you will not have to deal with the headache on Saturday?

NEVER. You may end up with a mob, complete with torches and pitchforks on your doorstep for suggesting such a thing on Fark.
 
2013-09-28 09:06:46 PM  

Cerebral Knievel: wichitaleaf: skinink: And back then, they didn't automatically try to connect it to terrorism. Ah the days of reason. Now if that happened, every Federal alphabet government department would be involved and would try to tie it to Al-Quaida, and would try to stir up a frenzy.

Well the odds are terrorist acts are done by radical Muslims.
Like it or not.

when it comes to terrorist acts, the most likely culprits are more likely going to be some lone loony wackadoodle than any religous or political conspiracy. and that is more often how it has played out..

but thanks for playing the irrational fear game.


Your incorrect sir.
You should really pay more attention to other sources than libfark.com
 
2013-09-28 09:12:22 PM  

yukichigai: trotsky: Is this the guy off Something Awful who's grandpa claimed to have done it? Because that was really, really interesting.

No... link?


Nevermind, found a link to a thread from this August where it was mentioned.  Apparently the poster has some RL drama going but has a friend who's father is former FBI helping him figure out how to handle this.  This being "I think my grandfather is the Tylenol murders poisoner".
 
2013-09-28 09:21:09 PM  

yukichigai: yukichigai: trotsky: Is this the guy off Something Awful who's grandpa claimed to have done it? Because that was really, really interesting.

No... link?

Nevermind, found a link to a thread from this August where it was mentioned.  Apparently the poster has some RL drama going but has a friend who's father is former FBI helping him figure out how to handle this.  This being "I think my grandfather is the Tylenol murders poisoner".


....and no further information. I assume this headline could be the follow-up
 
2013-09-28 09:22:47 PM  
I haven't done a scientific survey or anything, but I'm guessing that food tampering used to be a much more popular crime than it is now. I remember reading through the archives of a paper from October-December 1922 for a research project, and noticing about four news items about people who were made ill or (in one case) killed by tampered food. The two I remember specifically are a guy who was poisoned by an arsenical slice of wedding cake sent through the mail -- it was common to do that in those days, but apparently there was no real wedding and the cake had arsenic -- and a woman who decided to get back at her former friend for something or other by sending her a box of chocolates which had had something nasty injected into them. The guy who got the cake died, the woman who got the chocolates lived, but in the pre-shrinkwrap it sounds like it was a comparatively common method of farking with people. What made the Tylenol guy unusual was that he didn't seem to be targeting anyone in particular.

(For the record, I don't remember the time before everything was double-sealed For Your Protection. I was a toddler living in Chicago when the Tylenol thing happened, but too young to know it was happening. My parents were pretty freaked out by it, though, as I found out later).
 
2013-09-28 09:25:16 PM  
I was looking for Tylenol today at my grandma's place.

Found paregoric. From 2012.

Have a nice night.
 
2013-09-28 09:44:53 PM  
I grew up in Arlington Heights and remember being at football practice at the Luthren Home field, freshman year Arlington, Go Cards,and a car with a loud speaker came around warning everyone not to take Tylenol. One year later they closed our school. Coincidence?

-Bob Cockhill
 
2013-09-28 09:45:59 PM  
I could have sworn they were solved.  I thought there was someone who wanted to murder their spouse, so they contaminated others to make the spouse look like one of the random victims.  Am I crazy?
 
2013-09-28 09:48:14 PM  

wichitaleaf: Cerebral Knievel: wichitaleaf: skinink: And back then, they didn't automatically try to connect it to terrorism. Ah the days of reason. Now if that happened, every Federal alphabet government department would be involved and would try to tie it to Al-Quaida, and would try to stir up a frenzy.

Well the odds are terrorist acts are done by radical Muslims.
Like it or not.

when it comes to terrorist acts, the most likely culprits are more likely going to be some lone loony wackadoodle than any religous or political conspiracy. and that is more often how it has played out..

but thanks for playing the irrational fear game.

your you're incorrect sir.
You should really pay more attention to other sources than libfark.com


ftfy

have fun!
 
2013-09-28 09:49:34 PM  

Earguy: I could have sworn they were solved.  I thought there was someone who wanted to murder their spouse, so they contaminated others to make the spouse look like one of the random victims.  Am I crazy?


no ... that's what happened... lone whackadoodle
 
2013-09-28 10:03:47 PM  
Looks like a good allocation of resources considering Chicago was murder capitol of the US in 2011.

/I'm guessing this might be why it is murder capitol of today, they'd rather work on 3 year old cases.
 
2013-09-28 10:11:14 PM  

Earguy: I could have sworn they were solved.  I thought there was someone who wanted to murder their spouse, so they contaminated others to make the spouse look like one of the random victims.  Am I crazy?


It was a first season episode of Law & Order: Criminal Intent.
 
2013-09-28 10:21:16 PM  

megarian: I was looking for Tylenol today at my grandma's place.

Found paregoric. From 2012.

Have a nice night.


I figure there are a lot more unsettling things you could find in Grandma's medicine cabinet.
 
2013-09-28 10:21:42 PM  
Interesting how this comes up right after the This American Life episode on the dangers of acetaminophen.
 
2013-09-28 10:27:53 PM  

chrylis: megarian: I was looking for Tylenol today at my grandma's place.

Found paregoric. From 2012.

Have a nice night.

I figure there are a lot more unsettling things you could find in Grandma's medicine cabinet.


Exactly.

Could have been a hysteria-cure-machine.

I win?
 
2013-09-28 10:40:26 PM  

DarkVader: twomutts: You know, I swear that those murders were the catalyst for the fear society we live in today. It was like we as a nation suddenly realized that really bad stuff can happen to us completely by chance, and we all freaked out.

/Next time you unwrap a plastic bag that has been sealed in another plastic bag "for your protection", be sure to pop an ibuprofen in the tamperer's memory

Yeah, I think it really was the start of the "safety at any cost" mentality that is so pervasive today.

It's had a huge negative impact on all of us.


Well, yes and no.

It was the start, for sure; but otoh, in my humble opinion,  having bags of food that any fool could open and rummage through readily available on the shelves was probably not a good idea. If it hadn't been the Tylenol killer, it would have been someone else, or some random  poisoning for some other reason. Some of us can recall when it was possible to use tubes of toothpaste or whatever right in the store--and if that's not disgusting enough to make you glad they seal cartons, then probably nothing is. (Yes, it was done) And a lot of the ultraresistant packaging is done as much for anti-theft purposes as it is for health purposes, so it's not all "safety at any cost".

That said, it took a long time to go from sealing packages of drugs to sealing packages of everything; meanwhile, we don't seal things that probably should be--the Rajneeshee cult managed to conduct the largest and to date only successful biowarfare terrorist attack in the US with some spray bottles of salmonella-contaminated water and a salad bar, because nobody was looking THERE. People will freak out over anything, really.
 
2013-09-28 10:40:30 PM  

Earguy: I could have sworn they were solved.  I thought there was someone who wanted to murder their spouse, so they contaminated others to make the spouse look like one of the random victims.  Am I crazy?


Different case. She didn't poison Tylenol either, I think it was ibuprofen. But she did kill her husband with arsenic, I believe. Something with either fish food or algae (something related to a home aquarium) ended up being the catalyst that busted her, if I recall properly.
 
2013-09-28 10:52:23 PM  

Anastacya: Earguy: I could have sworn they were solved.  I thought there was someone who wanted to murder their spouse, so they contaminated others to make the spouse look like one of the random victims.  Am I crazy?

Different case. She didn't poison Tylenol either, I think it was ibuprofen. But she did kill her husband with arsenic, I believe. Something with either fish food or algae (something related to a home aquarium) ended up being the catalyst that busted her, if I recall properly.


Yep. And there was a lot of speculation that the Tylenol case was the same.
 
2013-09-28 11:01:40 PM  
Oh cool -- what better way to deflect attention from the endless murders happening every day in Chicago, then to open a cold case from when Obama was still running around his birthplace, Kenya, with his socialist dad. Cheers!

p.s. moar gun control plox!!!
 
2013-09-28 11:02:25 PM  

ongbok: Anastacya: Earguy: I could have sworn they were solved.  I thought there was someone who wanted to murder their spouse, so they contaminated others to make the spouse look like one of the random victims.  Am I crazy?

Different case. She didn't poison Tylenol either, I think it was ibuprofen. But she did kill her husband with arsenic, I believe. Something with either fish food or algae (something related to a home aquarium) ended up being the catalyst that busted her, if I recall properly.

Yep. And there was a lot of speculation that the Tylenol case was the same.


Oh, I don't doubt it. I was simply saying that the case Earguy is referring to is not the Tylenol murders, but some black widow who wanted a life insurance check.

/I was only 10 months old when that happened
//remember my mom talking about it when I was a kid, and how everyone freaked out
///also remember her talking about the TSS scare with tampons... wheee
 
2013-09-28 11:08:51 PM  
Does anyone remember when they released this picture of the woman at the cash register, buying the bottle of Tylenol that later killed her?  And everyone was looking for the bearded guy in the background, who they thought was possibly the person who poisoned the Tylenol?  I don't think anything came of it, but I sure remember being creeped out by the picture.

i24.servimg.com
 
2013-09-28 11:11:52 PM  

megarian: I was looking for Tylenol today at my grandma's place.

Found paregoric. From 2012.

Have a nice night.


It's just a schedule 2 drug, like fentanyl patches or seconal or even adderall. Scary thought is that your grandmother needs it, cause that's not used as a pain med.

/my grandmother thought she could surprise me with the 'such a high dose' of pain meds she was on
//I laughed and showed her that I was taking double that amount
///post-surgery pain is the worst
 
2013-09-28 11:12:25 PM  
The real mystery is why that chit is still for sale, much less endorsed so heavily.
 
2013-09-28 11:19:54 PM  

snocone: The real mystery is why that chit is still for sale, much less endorsed so heavily.


Because we've banned every other decent non-NSAID pain killer, or hidden them behind layers of prescriptions. Sure, 10mg of tramadol would work better than 500 of tylenol, and 80mg of tram won't kill you the way 4g of APAP/tylenol will, but it's nastier for people with epilepsy or on certain serotonin enhancing drugs. 5mg of codeine really does work better with 300mg of APAP than alone, and is nicely available over the counter in other 1st world countries.

But other than NSAIDs for pain, and remember they reduce swelling pain, not non-distinct pain, what's your choice for OTC? tramadol, codeine, or stronger stuff, that's all that's there.
 
2013-09-28 11:28:23 PM  

ykarie: snocone: The real mystery is why that chit is still for sale, much less endorsed so heavily.

Because we've banned every other decent non-NSAID pain killer, or hidden them behind layers of prescriptions. Sure, 10mg of tramadol would work better than 500 of tylenol, and 80mg of tram won't kill you the way 4g of APAP/tylenol will, but it's nastier for people with epilepsy or on certain serotonin enhancing drugs. 5mg of codeine really does work better with 300mg of APAP than alone, and is nicely available over the counter in other 1st world countries.

But other than NSAIDs for pain, and remember they reduce swelling pain, not non-distinct pain, what's your choice for OTC? tramadol, codeine, or stronger stuff, that's all that's there.


Uumm, add alcohol or a slight liver impairment and that 4g is toxic.
Last year this country consumed a brazillion gallons of hooch.
Sure glad NONE of it was on board when the APAP was dosed.
Sure glad every pain patient has a swell liver.
Aren't you?

But, I digress we were talking about murder and Tylenol.
I am pretty sure it is not murder to keep dosing people. Sorta.
Still, I have major issues with denying the point is to denature the opiates.
 
2013-09-28 11:35:54 PM  
It's good the Chicago PD is readily available to solve crimes that happened last century because there aren't any, say, murders or anything else happening more deserving of attention in town.
 
2013-09-28 11:36:19 PM  

trotsky: yukichigai: yukichigai: trotsky: Is this the guy off Something Awful who's grandpa claimed to have done it? Because that was really, really interesting.

No... link?

Nevermind, found a link to a thread from this August where it was mentioned.  Apparently the poster has some RL drama going but has a friend who's father is former FBI helping him figure out how to handle this.  This being "I think my grandfather is the Tylenol murders poisoner".

....and no further information. I assume this headline could be the follow-up


Right right, was just recapping for people to lazy to click my link. :P
 
2013-09-28 11:49:49 PM  

snocone: ykarie: snocone: The real mystery is why that chit is still for sale, much less endorsed so heavily.

Because we've banned every other decent non-NSAID pain killer, or hidden them behind layers of prescriptions. Sure, 10mg of tramadol would work better than 500 of tylenol, and 80mg of tram won't kill you the way 4g of APAP/tylenol will, but it's nastier for people with epilepsy or on certain serotonin enhancing drugs. 5mg of codeine really does work better with 300mg of APAP than alone, and is nicely available over the counter in other 1st world countries.

But other than NSAIDs for pain, and remember they reduce swelling pain, not non-distinct pain, what's your choice for OTC? tramadol, codeine, or stronger stuff, that's all that's there.

Uumm, add alcohol or a slight liver impairment and that 4g is toxic.
Last year this country consumed a brazillion gallons of hooch.
Sure glad NONE of it was on board when the APAP was dosed.
Sure glad every pain patient has a swell liver.
Aren't you?

But, I digress we were talking about murder and Tylenol.
I am pretty sure it is not murder to keep dosing people. Sorta.
Still, I have major issues with denying the point is to denature the opiates.


You read me wrong. I know how toxic 4g of APAP is, and I've seen the effects that higher doses have on people with impared liver and/or kidney function. And I find the idea of using APAP in any of the higher end drugs (seriously, why even put APAP with oxy except to kill people) to be a stupid idea. But as a first line for pain, not for pain patients who are seeing a doctor, it just bloody works. Drops fevers good, reduces pain from non-specific causes, and can be useful. Find me something else with a better therapeutic ratio and fewer random side effects. Tramadol would be close, but somewhere between 400 and 800mg it starts to become narcotic enough to suppress the breathing reflex.

But to put APAP with alcohol containing cough medicine should be considered murder. Just to put us back on topic.
 
2013-09-28 11:57:39 PM  
Wow!
Two agreements in one day.
Fark is losing it.
 
2013-09-29 12:05:46 AM  

Cerebral Knievel: Earguy: I could have sworn they were solved.  I thought there was someone who wanted to murder their spouse, so they contaminated others to make the spouse look like one of the random victims.  Am I crazy?

no ... that's what happened... lone whackadoodle


That was a copycat.
 
2013-09-29 12:15:50 AM  
Well, it's pretty clear to everybody that they can't stop all the current crime and that the bad guys out gun them, so they might as well occupy their time somehow.
 
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