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2013-09-28 02:06:46 PM  
What do you mean probably?
 
2013-09-28 02:11:08 PM  
Friend here in town bought an old tube system with a record player on it. She's 27. She has a huge record collection and wanted something "vintage".
 
2013-09-28 02:37:19 PM  
I really dislike headphones, but I don't have a dedicated audio system anymore either.  I do most of my music listening at the computer or in the car, and I did buy a nice set of speakers for the computer as well as opt for the upgraded audio system in the car.

I still have the 5.1 system for movie and TV watching, but I rarely listen to music on that one.
 
2013-09-28 03:12:45 PM  
Bose 501 Series 4.
Pioneer SX-450
Pioneer dual cassette deck
Pioneer LD/5CD changer
 
2013-09-28 03:51:16 PM  
Define Component... I have a Yamaha receiver with three different Blu/Red/DVD-ray players an LG 47"and an AppleTV connected to it. But like TuteTibiImperes: No music comes from it.

For audio... my source is usually my Mac (AIFF and Lossless only) going through
This preamp

www.macmeisters.com

then this amp

www.macmeisters.com

then to these speakers

www.macmeisters.com
 
2013-09-28 03:54:17 PM  
Or you actually care about the quality of the sound coming from your system.
 
2013-09-28 03:56:44 PM  

mediablitz: Friend here in town bought an old tube system with a record player on it. She's 27. She has a huge record collection and wanted something "vintage".


Until you've actually heard that rich analog sound through a good system on a good lp or R to R,  you just don't understand.
 
2013-09-28 04:47:23 PM  

basemetal: Until you've actually heard that rich analog sound through a good system on a good lp or R to R, you just don't understand.

90%+ of consumers today don't have a clue and have never heard quality sound.  Convenience over quality.  Neil Young has been involved in creating a system that can give higher quality, but it's no where near commercial production yet. And I, too, am a victim of the system.  I still have the amp, turntable and speakers from my system, but rarely use it.  Probably because I grew up listening on FM and had a limited budget for buying vinyl, and although good, FM wasn't the same as the records, and the more music I could listen to, the happier I was, quality not the issue. I used to tape off FM just to have the music.
 
2013-09-28 04:48:30 PM  
P.S.  Yes, I am nearing 70, so I guess I'm old.
 
2013-09-28 04:51:18 PM  

oldernell: Convenience over quality. Neil Young has been involved in creating a system that can give higher quality, but it's no where near commercial production yet. And I, too, am a victim of the system. I still have the amp, turntable and speakers from my system, but rarely use it.


Yep, me too.
 
2013-09-28 04:53:30 PM  

Majick Thise: Define Component... I have a Yamaha receiver with three different Blu/Red/DVD-ray players an LG 47"and an AppleTV connected to it. But like TuteTibiImperes: No music comes from it.

For audio... my source is usually my Mac (AIFF and Lossless only) going through
This preamp

[www.macmeisters.com image 222x197]

then this amp

[www.macmeisters.com image 250x205]

then to these speakers

[www.macmeisters.com image 800x598]


Did you build those speakers yourself?  Why have such a huge cabinet for a single driver?  Is there a larger woofer in that lower black section?
 
433 [TotalFark]
2013-09-28 04:54:54 PM  

basemetal: mediablitz: Friend here in town bought an old tube system with a record player on it. She's 27. She has a huge record collection and wanted something "vintage".

Until you've actually heard that rich analog sound through a good system on a good lp or R to R,  you just don't understand.


"Buy a new record - record it immediately to reel.  Put the record away.  Listen only to the reel.  When the reel's done, retrieve the record, record to a new reel. Put the record away."

I'm too young to have done this, but it's how several friends of mine have said they listened.
Critical listeners listen critically.
 
2013-09-28 05:15:50 PM  
love the audio components here -  also the few thousand vinyl (and yes, wax) records - 78s included - reel-to-reel? you bet

i also own a victrola, although that was a gift and played on the rare rainy sunday morning
 
2013-09-28 05:24:24 PM  
4.bp.blogspot.com
Old!?  THIS IS HI FIDELITY!
 
2013-09-28 05:41:44 PM  
My system has tubes and a nice turntable (VPI Traveler), and an external DAT. Speakers are ProAc Tablette Anniversaries, plus a powered SVS sub. I'm not *that* old but I do enjoy the sweet spot, the speakers just disappear and sometimes you swear there's a center speaker.
 
FNG [TotalFark]
2013-09-28 06:11:31 PM  
Onkyo tuner
Sony 5-disc CD player
Panasonic DVD
Twin Cerwin-Vega D-2s
TV audio through the stereo

I haven't had to replace anything for very long time.

Yes I have iPod and its great for what it is. I however do not live alone or in my mom's basement, so there are other people to consider.
 
2013-09-28 06:11:49 PM  
Component systems are the only way to go.

Onkyo.  Yamaha.  Klipsch.  Oh my.
 
2013-09-28 06:12:49 PM  
Own? I lease with an option to buy.
 
2013-09-28 06:13:10 PM  

basemetal: Until you've actually heard that rich analog sound through a good system on a good lp or R to R,  you just don't understand.


The thread should be closed right here. Those kids have no idea what they're missing.

Doesn't  thump      thump      thump     thump      thump      thump      thump      bazizzzzzzzzzz       thump        thump...  get old?
 
2013-09-28 06:27:06 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Majick Thise: Define Component... I have a Yamaha receiver with three different Blu/Red/DVD-ray players an LG 47"and an AppleTV connected to it. But like TuteTibiImperes: No music comes from it.

For audio... my source is usually my Mac (AIFF and Lossless only) going through


Did you build those speakers yourself?  Why have such a huge cabinet for a single driver?  Is there a larger woofer in that lower black section?



I did build them because I couldn't afford them from the guy who designed them. He is kind enough to sell plans so you CAN build them yourself and he even complemented me on mine. Here are his. No there is no woofer in that cabinet, it is a resonance chamber only and the upper part is open baffle. For many kinds of music they provide outstanding sound but for classic rock they can sometimes need the assistance of a small sub. The designer even says so. The cabinet is so big because that is what he designed and I followed the plans. They may not be quite as big as they look in that pic but they aren't small and they are heavy. Here's another for scale

www.macmeisters.com
 
2013-09-28 06:40:07 PM  

Majick Thise: TuteTibiImperes: Majick Thise: Define Component... I have a Yamaha receiver with three different Blu/Red/DVD-ray players an LG 47"and an AppleTV connected to it. But like TuteTibiImperes: No music comes from it.

For audio... my source is usually my Mac (AIFF and Lossless only) going through


Did you build those speakers yourself?  Why have such a huge cabinet for a single driver?  Is there a larger woofer in that lower black section?


I did build them because I couldn't afford them from the guy who designed them. He is kind enough to sell plans so you CAN build them yourself and he even complemented me on mine. Here are his. No there is no woofer in that cabinet, it is a resonance chamber only and the upper part is open baffle. For many kinds of music they provide outstanding sound but for classic rock they can sometimes need the assistance of a small sub. The designer even says so. The cabinet is so big because that is what he designed and I followed the plans. They may not be quite as big as they look in that pic but they aren't small and they are heavy. Here's another for scale

[www.macmeisters.com image 850x634]


Is your computer desk an old piano?
 
2013-09-28 07:00:39 PM  
Am I old?  Yeah I guess.  Slightly old anyway.  I suppose I have somewhat of a hybrid component system.  Yamaha receiver, Blu-Ray player, HTPC, and 2 Yamaha tower speakers (dual 6.5"'s, mid, and a tweet).  HTPC is hooked up to the receiver via HDMI.  It's flippin awesome.  I'm on my desktop PC most of the time with a low-end, old, 5.1 Altec Lansing speaker system and a Soundblaster Audigy 2 ZS card.  That sounds pretty sweet too, but when I want to listen to really great FLAC music or a movie in glorious sound, I'll play it on my component system.  I hear shiat through that Yamaha setup that I don't hear on my 5.1 (severely lacking mid-range) or my fairly crappy headphones.  Besides, headphones make my ears hot and get uncomfortable after a while.
 
2013-09-28 07:02:19 PM  
Watching movies and playing video games on a 7.1 sound system is awesome. Of course people who have them are older. They have the money and space for 8 farking speakers and a big tv.
 
2013-09-28 07:04:02 PM  
Kef Reference speakers, Marantz receiver, Emotiva 3 channel amp for my front speakers.


I spent a lot of money on my setup and I don't regret a penny of it.
 
2013-09-28 07:05:11 PM  
People who use these tinny players and sh*tty headphones are used to sub-par sound, just as people who stream movies over the internet and watch on sh*tty tablet or phone screens are used to sub-par video.

If I'm paying for it, I want more than just "getting the job done". That means good equipment and good media to play on it.
 
2013-09-28 07:08:01 PM  
I've been using a small venue pa system as my home stereo for years. Love it.
 
2013-09-28 07:09:27 PM  

rewind2846: watch on sh*tty tablet or phone screens


My tablet and computer monitor have a much higher resolution than my television. After watching video at 2560 x 1600  on my tablet going back to 1920 x1080 television is a step back. We really need 4k content and tvs to hurry up to the market.
 
2013-09-28 07:10:27 PM  

basemetal: Until you've actually heard that rich analog sound through a good system on a good lp

...

...you don't know the glorious sound of dust and scratches.

/ Old
// I have an LP collection
 
2013-09-28 07:11:13 PM  
I have ESM speakers from 1986 and my receiver is NAD from the same time period.

Audiophiles would never buy Bose.
 
2013-09-28 07:11:23 PM  
About this time last year I got motivated to update my 10 year old system.  I wanted a way to play mp3s.  I was willing to plug my phone in to stream, fill a thumb drive and plug it in, or stream from my laptop (not a good solution, but acceptable).

To my surprise the home audio market is essentially dead.  Stereos now are meant to plug into TVs.  Many don't have FM tuners.  And outside of a few that had iPhone docks, if they played MP3 they were in the $1,000 on up range.

I ended up buying a sound bar for the TV and putting the stereo in the closet.  For music I plug my wireless headphones into my phone, which is a pain as it means my phone is over by the TV instead of in my pocket, where it belongs.
 
2013-09-28 07:12:09 PM  

basemetal: mediablitz: Friend here in town bought an old tube system with a record player on it. She's 27. She has a huge record collection and wanted something "vintage".

Until you've actually heard that rich analog sound through a good system on a good lp or R to R,  you just don't understand.


i363.photobucket.com

www.elektor.fr

www.elektor.fr

I wish...
 
2013-09-28 07:12:13 PM  

Carth: rewind2846: watch on sh*tty tablet or phone screens

My tablet and computer monitor have a much higher resolution than my television. After watching video at 2560 x 1600  on my tablet going back to 1920 x1080 television is a step back. We really need 4k content and tvs to hurry up to the market.


And what content supports your tablets resolution?
 
2013-09-28 07:14:14 PM  

Carth: After watching video at 2560 x 1600 on my tablet going back to 1920 x1080 television is a step back.


Yes, step back.

At a realistic viewing distance, 720p is fine.

If you disagree, enjoy your $500 AC and $1,000 HDMI cables.
 
2013-09-28 07:18:05 PM  

theflatline: Carth: rewind2846: watch on sh*tty tablet or phone screens

My tablet and computer monitor have a much higher resolution than my television. After watching video at 2560 x 1600  on my tablet going back to 1920 x1080 television is a step back. We really need 4k content and tvs to hurry up to the market.

And what content supports your tablets resolution?


Other than video games? Sony has a 4k store and youtube has 4k video. Netflix will start offering 4k in 2014 and 4k bluray's come out in 2014 as well.
 
2013-09-28 07:20:50 PM  

Carth: Sony has a 4k store and youtube has 4k video. Netflix will start offering 4k in 2014 and 4k bluray's come out in 2014 as well.


And how do we (meaning just about everybody on Earth) suffer without the ability to view 4k?
 
2013-09-28 07:22:17 PM  

jaytkay: Carth: After watching video at 2560 x 1600 on my tablet going back to 1920 x1080 television is a step back.

Yes, step back.

At a realistic viewing distance, 720p is fine.

If you disagree, enjoy your $500 AC and $1,000 HDMI cables.


If you want the screen to take up the same FOV you get at a movie theater you need around 100-130 inch screen at around 10 feet. At that distance and size 4k is noticeable over 1080p. I guess you could do a 50-60 inch screen and sit 6 feet from it but that would look weird.
 
2013-09-28 07:24:05 PM  

jaytkay: Carth: Sony has a 4k store and youtube has 4k video. Netflix will start offering 4k in 2014 and 4k bluray's come out in 2014 as well.

And how do we (meaning just about everybody on Earth) suffer without the ability to view 4k?


Like going from 480p to HD it is just a more enjoyable experience. Plenty of people don't even care enough to upgrade to a 720p screen if you're happen with your current setup that's great.
 
2013-09-28 07:25:16 PM  

oldernell: Neil Young has been involved in creating a system that can give higher quality,


CD can already give quality equivalent to human hearing limits, so what's the point in going higher? So your dog can have a better listening experience?


CD often doesn't give good quality in practice, but that's due to poor mastering not any limitation of the medium.
 
2013-09-28 07:25:28 PM  

Carth: you need around 100-130 inch screen at around 10 feet.


Gee, that's exactly what your average TV viewer wants and needs and can afford.

Thanks!
 
2013-09-28 07:27:49 PM  

jaytkay: Carth: you need around 100-130 inch screen at around 10 feet.

Gee, that's exactly what your average TV viewer wants and needs and can afford.

Thanks!


The average car driver can't afford a luxury vehicle or sports car. That doesn't mean they shouldn't exist and don't offer benefit over a Honda Civic if you want and can afford one.
 
2013-09-28 07:28:27 PM  
What a startling new development....

ztams.com

/as noted in tfa
 
2013-09-28 07:29:42 PM  
Now if someone would make a home theater receiver than wasn't enormous. They are all the standard component size.
 
2013-09-28 07:30:56 PM  
Have to say... listening to Aqualung on vinyl on a great system is a transformative experience.
 
2013-09-28 07:33:52 PM  
My surround system i.imgur.com
Yes that's a car amp
 
2013-09-28 07:35:47 PM  

Carth: The average car driver can't afford a luxury vehicle or sports car. That doesn't mean they shouldn't exist and don't offer benefit over a Honda Civic if you want and can afford one.


You're writing about the fabulous video quality on your tablet as the standard we all need to attain.

lol
 
433 [TotalFark]
2013-09-28 07:42:46 PM  
i192.photobucket.com
i192.photobucket.com

OK, so you have a great stereo.
Now the problem is the room you're in.  It's all wrong.
Next, we'll tune up your hearing aids.
 
2013-09-28 07:49:12 PM  
if you don't have expensive wood volume knobs, you're missing out on the bestest sound


miss my old R to R
 
2013-09-28 07:56:49 PM  
Yamaha CR-1000
Sansui 9090db
Bose 901 Series IV speakers
Nakamichi Dragon
 
2013-09-28 08:03:03 PM  
Wooooooo.. Audio thread~~~

ATV -> spitfire DAC -> Mcintosh C28 -> Mcintosh MC2015 -> Infinity Kappa Reference 8s

ATV/Thorens TD-280  -> Apt Holman Preamp -> 2 @ Apt 1 Amplifier -> Acoustic Research AR-9s
 
2013-09-28 08:03:53 PM  
Streaming/mp3 absolutely sucks in quality on a good system. So much of the frequency range is missing/squashed out. I have recordings from vinyl using 96khz, encoded the mp3 at 320 and have had ENTIRE INSTRUMENTS disappear from the song.  Then there's the wow/flutter like from a tape deck with a bad capstan.

I'm sorry but today's systems can't even come close to what a high quality component systems can do.

My current system

Harmon Kardon AVR 520 (HT amp with pre outs)
Sherwood 36 watt mono tube amp for center channel (1962) (quad 6BQ5)
Sherwood S5000II ( 32+32) 7591 output for rear channel, also serves as phono pre.
RCA SA1000 100 watt tube theater amps for mains.
Teac A6300S Reel to Reel
Early 80's Pioneer cassette
Technics SL1200 with Signet MR5B cart from the late 80's.

The speakers are all matching Cerwin Vega. They are definitely not audiophile quality but sound good and has full range.
 
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