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2013-09-28 12:30:56 PM
Good Omens is one of those that is really hard to adapt because so much of what makes it awesome are the little asides in the descriptions of the scenes, like where a motorway was shaped into an occult symbol of suffering by Crowley, or Famine was responsible for Nouvelle Cuisine. Unless you had a narrator adding these little details, it's challenging to work those kinds of details into the script naturally. It could be done, but you'd end a damn good writer to keep a lot of the flavor.
 
2013-09-28 12:44:03 PM

Mad_Radhu: Good Omens is one of those that is really hard to adapt because so much of what makes it awesome are the little asides in the descriptions of the scenes, like where a motorway was shaped into an occult symbol of suffering by Crowley, or Famine was responsible for Nouvelle Cuisine. Unless you had a narrator adding these little details, it's challenging to work those kinds of details into the script naturally. It could be done, but you'd end a damn good writer to keep a lot of the flavor.


It's too long. More HBO miniseries material, like American Gods.
 
2013-09-28 12:55:07 PM

simplicimus: Mad_Radhu: Good Omens is one of those that is really hard to adapt because so much of what makes it awesome are the little asides in the descriptions of the scenes, like where a motorway was shaped into an occult symbol of suffering by Crowley, or Famine was responsible for Nouvelle Cuisine. Unless you had a narrator adding these little details, it's challenging to work those kinds of details into the script naturally. It could be done, but you'd end a damn good writer to keep a lot of the flavor.

It's too long. More HBO miniseries material, like American Gods.


When you have the Hobbit being turned into three 3-hour movies and the last Hunger Games being split into two parts, It seems like "too long" is not really an issue with Hollywood. Granted, these are established franchises, but I wouldn't be shocked if they start splitting more book adaptations up if they can get the price right. Sure you run the risk of the first part tanking, and then having to release the other parts, but at the same time it doubles or triples the upside for an adaptation of a long book that does well. It seems like we're in an era where the idea that everything has to fit in 120 minutes is waning, and we're starting to see a return to longer and more serialized movies, which is in some ways a callback to the old days of cinema.
 
2013-09-28 01:00:51 PM
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New film that I'm told is very good and faithful to the book. Rudolfo Anaya's original book is amazing.
 
2013-09-28 01:04:28 PM

Mad_Radhu: simplicimus: Mad_Radhu: Good Omens is one of those that is really hard to adapt because so much of what makes it awesome are the little asides in the descriptions of the scenes, like where a motorway was shaped into an occult symbol of suffering by Crowley, or Famine was responsible for Nouvelle Cuisine. Unless you had a narrator adding these little details, it's challenging to work those kinds of details into the script naturally. It could be done, but you'd end a damn good writer to keep a lot of the flavor.

It's too long. More HBO miniseries material, like American Gods.

When you have the Hobbit being turned into three 3-hour movies and the last Hunger Games being split into two parts, It seems like "too long" is not really an issue with Hollywood. Granted, these are established franchises, but I wouldn't be shocked if they start splitting more book adaptations up if they can get the price right. Sure you run the risk of the first part tanking, and then having to release the other parts, but at the same time it doubles or triples the upside for an adaptation of a long book that does well. It seems like we're in an era where the idea that everything has to fit in 120 minutes is waning, and we're starting to see a return to longer and more serialized movies, which is in some ways a callback to the old days of cinema.


I can see the advantages of the Peter Jackson approach: keep the same actors for all three parts (saves the re-signing for sequels hassles) and pretty much the same locations. I know Good Omens and American Gods have a dedicated fan base, but is it large enough to convince a studio to make a large commitment?
 
2013-09-28 01:10:20 PM
what this article and most people fail to understand, most novels would do better as a miniseries, and most series would do better as a series. stop ruining good books with terrible movies.

and pretty much BBC, showtime, hbo or AMC should be the only stations allowed to make these series.

Dresden novels? made into a terrible tv series
Sword of Truth? made into a terrible tv series

Sandman, taltos, dresden, sword of truth, beserker, elric: all of these would make great BBC/HBO type series. 3-10 episodes a season and none of the bullshiat worthless filler episodes that hollywood is so addicted to. Galactic Center, Culture novels, hell even Monster Hunter, would all make good to great short series on cable and be TERRIBLE 20 episode network shows.

The list goes on and on. And only the BBC or HBO type would ever give it the amount of time needed to get it right.

/good omens is one of my favorite books and it would be impossible to bring to the big screen and boring on the small screen. But it would take 4-10 hours to tell correctly.
 
2013-09-28 01:13:30 PM
ooo julian may -  Galactic Milieu Series -Saga of Pliocene Exile Cycle
 
2013-09-28 01:18:21 PM
Movie making isn't an art nay more, it's a business. Rebooting proven money makers is almost guaranteed to make money, which is the ultimate goal of people who finance these ventures.
 
2013-09-28 01:35:15 PM

namatad: what this article and most people fail to understand, most novels would do better as a miniseries, and most series would do better as a series. stop ruining good books with terrible movies.

and pretty much BBC, showtime, hbo or AMC should be the only stations allowed to make these series.

Dresden novels? made into a terrible tv series
Sword of Truth? made into a terrible tv series

Sandman, taltos, dresden, sword of truth, beserker, elric: all of these would make great BBC/HBO type series. 3-10 episodes a season and none of the bullshiat worthless filler episodes that hollywood is so addicted to. Galactic Center, Culture novels, hell even Monster Hunter, would all make good to great short series on cable and be TERRIBLE 20 episode network shows.

The list goes on and on. And only the BBC or HBO type would ever give it the amount of time needed to get it right.

/good omens is one of my favorite books and it would be impossible to bring to the big screen and boring on the small screen. But it would take 4-10 hours to tell correctly.


I liked the Dresden Files TV show, but I've never read the books.  From what I understand it was a big departure from the novels, and the fans of the books weren't happy with the treatment, but as a stand-alone entity, I thought it was solid.
 
2013-09-28 01:35:32 PM
[Followup] Hollywood adaptation of beloved novel is terrible, thousands die of rage
 
2013-09-28 01:38:32 PM

Ambivalence: Movie making isn't an art nay more, it's a business


When exactly was movie making not a business?
 
2013-09-28 01:38:42 PM

simplicimus: Mad_Radhu: simplicimus: Mad_Radhu: Good Omens is one of those that is really hard to adapt because so much of what makes it awesome are the little asides in the descriptions of the scenes, like where a motorway was shaped into an occult symbol of suffering by Crowley, or Famine was responsible for Nouvelle Cuisine. Unless you had a narrator adding these little details, it's challenging to work those kinds of details into the script naturally. It could be done, but you'd end a damn good writer to keep a lot of the flavor.

It's too long. More HBO miniseries material, like American Gods.

When you have the Hobbit being turned into three 3-hour movies and the last Hunger Games being split into two parts, It seems like "too long" is not really an issue with Hollywood. Granted, these are established franchises, but I wouldn't be shocked if they start splitting more book adaptations up if they can get the price right. Sure you run the risk of the first part tanking, and then having to release the other parts, but at the same time it doubles or triples the upside for an adaptation of a long book that does well. It seems like we're in an era where the idea that everything has to fit in 120 minutes is waning, and we're starting to see a return to longer and more serialized movies, which is in some ways a callback to the old days of cinema.

I can see the advantages of the Peter Jackson approach: keep the same actors for all three parts (saves the re-signing for sequels hassles) and pretty much the same locations. I know Good Omens and American Gods have a dedicated fan base, but is it large enough to convince a studio to make a large commitment?


They'd have to be smart about it, and not throw $100 million at it, but I could see it working if you did the contracts right and got a lot of relatively unknown actors for most if the roles outside some of the key ones. Also, the shorter home video cycles could help if you put out part one at the beginning of the year before blockbuster season, did a quick home video/Netflix release in the summer, then got part two out in the fall/pre-holiday season. That way you could theoretically have a larger audience for part 2 if you catch some people who were on the fence via Netflix (similar to how easy access on Netflix has given Breaking Bad it's best ratings at the end). You could even play around with it a bit an slide the conclusion into a holiday slot if part 1 does well enough. I think the split movies are becoming successful enough where SOMEONE is going to take a gamble on a new IP at some point.
 
2013-09-28 01:42:03 PM

Ambivalence: Movie making isn't an art nay more, it's a business. Rebooting proven money makers is almost guaranteed to make money, which is the ultimate goal of people who finance these ventures.


You have to work some new IPs in there somewhere, but books and comics are very attractive because they've had a chance to prove themselves on a smaller scale. It is worrisome that some new properties like Pacific Rim have had a lukewarm response from moviegoers, which is going to make studios hesitant to pursue something really original.
 
2013-09-28 02:19:37 PM
Good Omens should not be made into a movie, because it would be impossible to do well.
Grimjack should not be made into a movie because too much of the story is interior monologue.
The Mummy, or Ramses the Damned should not be made into a movie because, like everything else by Anne Rice except for the first two vampire books, it sucked ass.
 
2013-09-28 03:08:15 PM
To Say Nothing of the Dog would be a terrific movie, but I doubt that the typical movie goer could keep up.
 
2013-09-28 03:32:43 PM

TuteTibiImperes: I liked the Dresden Files TV show, but I've never read the books.  From what I understand it was a big departure from the novels, and the fans of the books weren't happy with the treatment, but as a stand-alone entity, I thought it was solid.


parts of the series were very well done. I enjoyed it. the books, esp the later books, are a billion times better. if you read the books, skip the first couple and come back to them if you like book 3 4 or 5.
The last 3 books, the last book, Cold Days, is one of my all time favorites.

The Alera Codex is amazing too. And would make for a pretty awesome TV series.
 
2013-09-28 04:07:47 PM
Only if Crowley and Azriphale are played by Hugh Laurie and Stephen Fry.
 
2013-09-28 04:14:59 PM
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2013-09-28 04:19:51 PM
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2013-09-28 04:20:52 PM

Mad_Radhu: Good Omens is one of those that is really hard to adapt because so much of what makes it awesome are the little asides in the descriptions of the scenes, like where a motorway was shaped into an occult symbol of suffering by Crowley, or Famine was responsible for Nouvelle Cuisine. Unless you had a narrator adding these little details, it's challenging to work those kinds of details into the script naturally. It could be done, but you'd end a damn good writer to keep a lot of the flavor.


No way.  Imagine Kevin Klien and John Clese as the Demon and the Angel.

Then that shiat writes itself.
 
2013-09-28 04:37:43 PM

simplicimus: It's too long. More HBO miniseries material, like American Gods.


When is that happening, anyway? I'm starting to think, at best, it will be summer 2015, a replacement for "True Blood", if it even happens.

And I agree - my first thought on "Good Omens" was "HBO."  And not Showtime. They don't know how to end a goddamned show properly.
 
2013-09-28 04:50:42 PM
I liked Monster, but I can see it being botched in many, many ways
 
2013-09-28 04:58:45 PM
Not a classic but I'd like to see Blood Meridian done. Possibly by Paul Thomas Anderson. ..
 
2013-09-28 05:02:43 PM
Since all this sword and sorcery shiat seems to be back in vogue, how about a TV series of:

upload.wikimedia.orgOR the adventures of these dudes:upload.wikimedia.org

 
2013-09-28 05:07:34 PM
"On Basilisk Station by David Weber.
"The Difference Engine" by William Gibson and Bruce Sterling
"Lucifer's Hammer" by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle. Don't spend too much time on the disaster itself, let say 30 minutes on before the meteor hits, just enough time on the hit to show the repercussions, and the rest of the movies on how the survivors cope, good guys and bad guys.
"The Moon is a harsh mistress" by Robert A Heinlein

I'd love to see a TV series based on the Domination of the Drakas. The last story is the only one that could be made in a movie though as it's the only one where the good guys win.
 
2013-09-28 05:08:11 PM

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2013-09-28 05:08:53 PM
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It always stuns me when this book is never mentioned in lists o Sci Fi that needs a film adaptation.
 
2013-09-28 05:09:14 PM
And Night of the Living Dead isn't being remade.
It's in the Public Domain so any Tom, Dick or Harry can make a movie and call it Night of the Living Dead.
There's a (bad) comic out now called Night of the Living Dead.
Sid Haig already made a crap 3D movie called Night of the Living Dead.
 
2013-09-28 05:13:03 PM

23FPB23: Since all this sword and sorcery shiat seems to be back in vogue, how about a TV series of:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 314x475]OR the adventures of these dudes:[upload.wikimedia.org image 238x349]


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I have been thinking about rereading the book of the new sun. (I really hated the next 300 books)

Strange that Heinlein Future History was left out.
Toss in stranger in a strange land.

talkertopc: "The Moon is a harsh mistress" by Robert A Heinlein

one of my all time favorite books. but. it almost feels like liberal masturbation at this point. making fun of the totalitarian conservatives still trying to be the moral police. feels like most of the people who like it or agree have already GOTTEN IT and dont need to be sold on that future.

 
2013-09-28 05:13:39 PM

floor: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 300x500]

It always stuns me when this book is never mentioned in lists o Sci Fi that needs a film adaptation.


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2013-09-28 05:13:39 PM

floor: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 300x500] It always stuns me when this book is never mentioned in lists o Sci Fi that needs a film adaptation.

Awesome book, one of my favorites. Still scarily relevant today.  IMDB shows it underway.  Supposedly by Ridley Scott:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1307468/
 
2013-09-28 05:14:50 PM
snow crash and diamond age would be wonderful if done by the BBC/HBO types.
once again, way too much in the story to be made into a movie
 
2013-09-28 05:15:09 PM

buntz: And Night of the Living Dead isn't being remade.
It's in the Public Domain so any Tom, Dick or Harry can make a movie and call it Night of the Living Dead.
There's a (bad) comic out now called Night of the Living Dead.
Sid Haig already made a crap 3D movie called Night of the Living Dead.




Plus, you can just use the actual movie itself.
 
2013-09-28 05:17:05 PM
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2013-09-28 05:18:48 PM

HempHead: floor: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 300x500] It always stuns me when this book is never mentioned in lists o Sci Fi that needs a film adaptation.
Awesome book, one of my favorites. Still scarily relevant today.  IMDB shows it underway.  Supposedly by Ridley Scott:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1307468/


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Forever_War#Film

five farking years later
sigh
here is hoping the ridley doesnt give up on getting it right!!

Imagine the UPROAR from the right?! OMG the military and all of humanity turns gay?!!
OMFG now humanity becomes borg?!!
 
2013-09-28 05:19:03 PM

namatad: 23FPB23: Since all this sword and sorcery shiat seems to be back in vogue, how about a TV series of:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 314x475]OR the adventures of these dudes:[upload.wikimedia.org image 238x349]

FRAKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
I have been thinking about rereading the book of the new sun. (I really hated the next 300 books)

Strange that Heinlein Future History was left out.
Toss in stranger in a strange land.

talkertopc: "The Moon is a harsh mistress" by Robert A Heinlein
one of my all time favorite books. but. it almost feels like liberal masturbation at this point. making fun of the totalitarian conservatives still trying to be the moral police. feels like most of the people who like it or agree have already GOTTEN IT and dont need to be sold on that future.


Yeah I could get into any of the "serious" Heinlein stuff.  There are a couple of established Sci-Fi "universes" that I would like to see on some screen or another.  Heinlein and Niven, especially.
 
2013-09-28 05:19:28 PM

floor: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 300x500]

It always stuns me when this book is never mentioned in lists o Sci Fi that needs a film adaptation.


This. But it would be hard to adapt all the stuff about how as humanity involves over the thousands of years, heterosexuality is considered an antisocial abomination. Especially since all the heroes of the book are flaming heterosexuals.


Also, Good Omens is a popular book, not a classic. Neuromancer is still waiting for its big adaptation.
 
2013-09-28 05:25:35 PM
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Get on with it, FFS
 
2013-09-28 05:36:46 PM
Reboot Dune
 
2013-09-28 05:50:04 PM
Film Saturn's Children by Charles Stross instead

Just finished the second book in that series (Neptune's Brood) the other night. High finance and investment fraud... in SPAAAAACE! Not sure it would make such a riveting movie, though. The audience might also have a problem with a universe where all the humans are extinct. I'd prefer a Laundry series movie. It would also have the benefit of being cheaper to make.

Film Feed by Mira Grant

I'm OK with this.

Film House of Suns by Alastair Reynolds instead.

I'd take a Revelation Space movie first, thanks.


albuquerquehalsey: [www.kschroeder.com image 263x400]


That would be farking AWESOME. I love the Virga books. Swashbuckling steampunk at it's best. Though a world with atmosphere but no gravity could be expensive to film.
 
2013-09-28 05:53:22 PM

Stile4aly: Get on with it, FFS


Syfy is currently doing both Childhood's End and Ringworld as 4-hour miniseries.
 
2013-09-28 06:01:17 PM
Good Omens should be a mini-series, not a movie.  I don't really think it would benefit from a huge budget as much as the actual time to tell the story and attention to detail it requires.
 
2013-09-28 06:05:40 PM

Mad_Radhu: Stile4aly: Get on with it, FFS

Syfy is currently doing both Childhood's End and Ringworld as 4-hour miniseries.


I came.
 
2013-09-28 06:06:00 PM
So, exactly where if my mother farking Black Company movies?
 
2013-09-28 06:14:16 PM

Stile4aly: [upload.wikimedia.org image 200x301]
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Get on with it, FFS


Morgan Freeman at one time owned rights to the Rama books.  Sadly no development.
 
2013-09-28 06:16:44 PM

Mad_Radhu: Stile4aly: Get on with it, FFS

Syfy is currently doing both Childhood's End and Ringworld as 4-hour miniseries.


sigh .....
here's hoping that someone with 2 brain cells is in charge of it ...


One the other hand, we have been swiftly moving into an age where we can do anything with special effects for less and less money. Now it is all about the writing. I would love to see an HBO/BBC sub channel, where they do nothing but bring SF and Fantasy to life. The stories are already there, just a matter of screen plays, acting, directing, a bit of money for special effects.

The viewers would kill for a premium channel like this.
Look at the success of GofT to see how to do it.
 
2013-09-28 06:19:29 PM
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2013-09-28 06:24:47 PM

silgryphon: Reboot Dune


Please no, not again!  Do we never learn our lesson?
 
2013-09-28 06:27:01 PM
The only thing I've ever read by Alistair Reynolds was Revelation Space and I didn't quite care for it. Do his books get better (being that I only read his debut)?
 
2013-09-28 06:29:07 PM

23FPB23: Since all this sword and sorcery shiat seems to be back in vogue, how about a TV series of:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 314x475]OR the adventures of these dudes:[upload.wikimedia.org image 238x349]


The Book of the New Sun would be hard to pull off. For one thing, it's full of confusing scenes that only make sense later on. It would also be pretty hard to properly portray the fact that everything is alien tech that the main character is too ignorant to understand. Wizard Knight might be a better target for adaptation.

I'd like to see Leviathan by Scott Westerfeld as a movie. WW1 fought with bio-engineered creatures on one side and steam powered mechs on the other.
 
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