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(Salon)   The sense of entitlement Millennials feel is a myth   (salon.com) divider line 142
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2013-09-28 12:28:21 PM
Agreed, it's the sense of entitlement the baby boomers feel that bothers me.
 
2013-09-28 12:32:27 PM
Me no like kids today, Thrag. They so lazy, and entitled. When me was young caveman, me killed deer with rocks. These kids use spears, not understand rocks. They kill more deer, with less effort. They so lazy, and not understand the value of rocks. Me no like what this mean for future.

Possibly the earliest conversation about how the youth are terrible.
 
2013-09-28 12:44:08 PM
This is the 3rd article in the last few weeks defending Millenials.  I just wish they'd get off my lawn.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-09-28 01:07:46 PM
Every generation is the most entitled and laziest ever.
 
2013-09-28 01:25:38 PM
Article written by a millennial.

Their biggest problem is their horrid decision making skills. They're not so much entitled as they think things ought to be different based upon their decisions.
 
2013-09-28 01:35:14 PM
#1 What is the connection between "New Girl" and this story?

#2 Did anybody see the latest New Girl? It's a funny show but I have a really hard time believing that Zoey Deschanel has ever had a problem fitting in in her life.
 
2013-09-28 01:46:29 PM

Mrbogey: Their biggest problem is their horrid decision making skills. They're not so much entitled as they think things ought to be different based upon their decisions.


It's almost as though they're young and inexperienced. They are surely the first age cohort to exhibit this trait.
 
2013-09-28 01:50:45 PM

vpb: Every generation is the most entitled and laziest ever.


And we are done.
 
2013-09-28 01:59:03 PM
So we can sum that whole article regarding what older people think of millenials as...

www.misfitopia.com
 
2013-09-28 01:59:14 PM
I blame the parents.
 
2013-09-28 01:59:37 PM
The millennials I work with are realistic and generally pessimistic on their chances for promotion, good pay, buying a house, or actually retiring some day. Calls those entitlements if you wish but we used to call it the American Dream.
 
2013-09-28 01:59:40 PM
No it is not. They want free stuff, and don't think they need to work for it. This message board is a perfect example of those people.
 
2013-09-28 02:00:39 PM
pixel.nymag.com
 
2013-09-28 02:02:38 PM
The sense of entitlement Millennials feel is a myth

SO MUCH THIS.

If one were to acknowledge the entitlement mentality of them, they would also have to fully acknowledge the entitlement mentality of businesses that want perfect people now.
 
2013-09-28 02:04:45 PM

Thunderpipes: No it is not. They want free stuff, and don't think they need to work for it. This message board is a perfect example of those people.


I pay a monthly fee to this site in order to subsidize your apparent Asperger's therapy. As someone who's paying for something you're taking, I'm going to ask for you to take a drug test and post the results here.
 
2013-09-28 02:07:32 PM

edmo: The millennials I work with are realistic and generally pessimistic on their chances for promotion, good pay, buying a house, or actually retiring some day. Calls those entitlements if you wish but we used to call it the American Dream.


The problem is, we already gave our kids everything that you just listed. The only thing left to acquire is experience and they think that comes from video gaming and interacting with their peers. That's a zero addition to zero. No wonder they aren't waking up until 25. We let them sleep off the first 24 years.
 
2013-09-28 02:08:12 PM

t3knomanser: Me no like kids today, Thrag. They so lazy, and entitled. When me was young caveman, me killed deer with rocks. These kids use spears, not understand rocks. They kill more deer, with less effort. They so lazy, and not understand the value of rocks. Me no like what this mean for future.

Possibly the earliest conversation about how the youth are terrible.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_APoSfCYwU

Biggest rock is best rock.
 
2013-09-28 02:08:49 PM
"Unlikely," subby?  F/ck you.
 
2013-09-28 02:09:43 PM

Thunderpipes: No it is not. They want free stuff, and don't think they need to work for it. This message board is a perfect example of those people.


You mean the same "free stuff" their parents, grandparents, great-grandparents and Great 2nd grandparents were allowed as a matter of course? Such horrible, communist-inspired things like a decent education, good job market, relatively peaceful streets, and a socioeconomic structure that didn't require the older generations to devour their own young to break even?
 
2013-09-28 02:11:53 PM
The 80's never ended, we've been in the "me" decade ever since.
 
2013-09-28 02:12:22 PM
Simple fact is every generation is more lazy and less mature than the previous due to technology. Think, WALL-E.
 
2013-09-28 02:12:37 PM
anyone complaining/talking about hardships or how unfair things are, should read through http://www.mrmoneymustache.com, take notes, self evaluate and actually put into practice instead of being a little whiny biatch (or complainy pants) ... then maybe get to say life is a little unfair.  Until then, you have a sense of entitlement and are an insufferable complainy pants regardless what age bracket you fall under.
 
2013-09-28 02:13:32 PM
 
2013-09-28 02:15:05 PM
I blame "Reality TV".
 
2013-09-28 02:15:35 PM

Deathfrogg: Thunderpipes: No it is not. They want free stuff, and don't think they need to work for it. This message board is a perfect example of those people.

You mean the same "free stuff" their parents, grandparents, great-grandparents and Great 2nd grandparents were allowed as a matter of course? Such horrible, communist-inspired things like a decent education, good job market, relatively peaceful streets, and a socioeconomic structure that didn't require the older generations to devour their own young to break even?


Sush...Thunder is delusional, he doesn't understand that things are different today, that just getting a decent job is an ordeal.  Every generation of Americans since WWII has had it worse in terms of work/reward.  After the war, Europe was destroyed, American goods were in huge demand, labor unions were strong as hell, and one person could work one job and maintain a very nice house and family.  And companies were clamoring to hire people.  Then the 70s slapped everything to pieces for a decade and more and more women had to enter the workplace to maintain the same family lifestyle.  These days being a stay-at-home mother is almost not an option, one salary usually isn't enough.
 
2013-09-28 02:19:09 PM
To be fair, millennials did get hit with a lot of the "Self-Esteem" movement in the school system.  Got used to being rewarded for mediocre work (and as a result didn't learn to put effort into anything), while being told that we were all special and important (and as a result are disappointed by "regular" jobs, and think that we're too important to do anything where we might get hurt - that's for "other people who aren't as smart as me!")  Add in technology, millennials being some of the first "digital natives," and most think that the maxiumum effort required for anything can still be done sitting down.

Thank goodness I had the tough Mom, who seemed mean at the time but really just wanted me to actually try, and do the best I could do - and only praised or rewarded THOSE efforts.  We also spent a lot of time out in the woods (my parents were wildlife researchers) and I learned that a lot of life was physical.

There are exceptions to the ego tendencies, and a lot do well in business and other white-collar jobs...  but there are a lot of industries that will suffer.  One that I'm familiar with - firefighting, at least at the smaller/volunteer level - is having a very hard time finding people who want to put in that kind of effort, are willing to risk themselves for others, and understand that YOU have to go do hard things instead of making a computer do it for you.
 
2013-09-28 02:19:49 PM

itsaidwhat: edmo: The millennials I work with are realistic and generally pessimistic on their chances for promotion, good pay, buying a house, or actually retiring some day. Calls those entitlements if you wish but we used to call it the American Dream.

The problem is, we already gave our kids everything that you just listed. The only thing left to acquire is experience and they think that comes from video gaming and interacting with their peers. That's a zero addition to zero. No wonder they aren't waking up until 25. We let them sleep off the first 24 years.


I wouldn't say they were asleep as much as institutionalized.  Schools train kids to sit in rooms while absorbing information, most of which they will forget after the test and never use, and when they finally get out into the real world there are no jobs for people to sit in rooms absorbing information they will never use.

The kids need to learn what it is really like to work at a job, and they only way they do that is through apprenticeship programs and job shadowing.  We need to get them out of the classroom and into the real world.
 
2013-09-28 02:21:44 PM
Wait until the common core education standards students grow up. Then we will really have something to complain about.
 
2013-09-28 02:22:20 PM
The faster all those born from 1970 and on can die, the happier I'll be.

/STFU & pay yur goddamn taxes, the taxes I won't pay. Stoopid pharkers.
 
2013-09-28 02:25:22 PM
Only entitled millenials I've seen have put in the effort and are just expecting what they deserve. Drop $150k on getting an advanced engineering degree, and can't find a job/career for YEARS? Yeah, that's not entitlement. It used to be that you could find JOBS in this country, and could reasonably expect a decent career if you put in the time/effort to gain the necessary credentials. These days, those credentials are getting bigger and harder to attain, and achieving them doesn't necessarily get you  anything.
 
2013-09-28 02:28:35 PM
Another one of these? I love reading generalizing platitudes from one person's pov without any factual data!

/millennial or y, it doesn't farking matter. We're the same as everyone else
 
2013-09-28 02:28:45 PM

Thunderpipes: No it is not. They want free stuff, and don't think they need to work for it. This message board is a perfect example of those people.


Says one of the people always looking for attention in the form of indignant replies...
 
2013-09-28 02:29:22 PM

Deathfrogg: Thunderpipes: No it is not. They want free stuff, and don't think they need to work for it. This message board is a perfect example of those people.

You mean the same "free stuff" their parents, grandparents, great-grandparents and Great 2nd grandparents were allowed as a matter of course? Such horrible, communist-inspired things like a decent education, good job market, relatively peaceful streets, and a socioeconomic structure that didn't require the older generations to devour their own young to break even?


Boomers get that shiat, then take it away due to their greed, then complain when millennial want it as well.
 
2013-09-28 02:30:21 PM

meat0918: So we can sum that whole article regarding what older people think of millenials as...

[www.misfitopia.com image 320x240]



Classic response that proves the point  #1.

1)  You were too lazy to even bother to read the article or you would have known that the article was written by a millenial.

2) As a millenial you felt entitled, even obligated, to share your opinion, regardless of whether it was right or wrong.

3) And for your last swing, you are too lazy  to try to make your point using words, examples and thoughts. You just linked to a  tired old meme, that wasn't even relevant.

You are out.

Next?
 
2013-09-28 02:31:11 PM
Well how the fark else should you feel when you're paying into a system everyone says won't be around to work for you at age 62, 65, or 80... so give your money to the 401k guys they'll make everything right.
 
2013-09-28 02:36:04 PM
Percentage of duckface selfies taken prior to the Millenials generation: 0
 
2013-09-28 02:37:43 PM

pounddawg: http://www.upworthy.com/the-best-response-for-when-anyone-calls-young - people-lazy-today?g=3&c=ufb1

/Xer


Classic response that proves the point #2

Millennial writer states...

"This is how my brain responds after I read more than a few articles blaming things like "laziness" for young people's debt and employment problems".


and then is too lazy to develop a coherent argument or even a single thought.  Instead he just feels entitled to link to a whinny little self-absorbed video that someone else created.  Clearly these sad little snowflakes operates under the democratic self-delusion that all people are created interesting.
 
2013-09-28 02:38:07 PM
FTA: "My goal here isn't to disparage Harvey's findings or even the strain of Gen Y criticism that they tend to empower; I suspect that some of the (college-educated, mostly white) millennials at the offices he has studied did display a set of tendencies that could be labeled as intensely self-entitled. I'm also not disputing the mass of anecdotal evidence that current 20-somethings can be a little needy, insufferable and delusional about the reality of social forces. "

So basically, though the mass of anecdotal evidence strongly suggests otherwise, it's the other Gen-Y educated white millenials are entitled but not "me".

Good article to base an argument on.  He sounds entitled.
 
2013-09-28 02:38:47 PM
Calling the next generation a 'me' generation is the most efficient and effective way of being able to continue justifying 'me' style behavior one's self
 
2013-09-28 02:44:31 PM
I was going to read the article, but then I realized it had nothing to do with gen X, and I'm too stoned to read all that anyways.
 
2013-09-28 02:50:37 PM
Until I was exposed to the various stereotypes of generations I didn't have these impressions. I doubt if I wasn't specifically told over and over that a certain group of people were a certain way I would ever have developed these conclusions. Most WWII types, boomer types, peers, etc. have all seemed about the same as myself. No one is especially lazy or determined outside of the obvious shaping influences.
 
2013-09-28 02:53:04 PM
As someone who is over 30 and tutors them in all kinds of chemistry I can say that, no, it absolutely is not a myth.
 
2013-09-28 02:53:26 PM
The most hilarious thing with Gen Y idiots is when they get a bullshiat college degree like gay studies and think they deserve a job out of it.
 
2013-09-28 02:54:19 PM
Nothing screams a sense of entitlement like having to work for free for months on end in order to get enough entry level experience for employers to even bother looking at you.
 
2013-09-28 02:59:08 PM

topcon: The most hilarious thing with Gen Y idiots is when they get a bullshiat college degree like gay studies and think they deserve a job out of it.


Hardly anyone does that.
 
2013-09-28 02:59:54 PM
They're the "Mop Generation", they get to clean up everyone's mess while getting blamed for making it.
 
2013-09-28 03:01:39 PM

FunkOut: topcon: The most hilarious thing with Gen Y idiots is when they get a bullshiat college degree like gay studies and think they deserve a job out of it.

Hardly anyone does that.


Sure they do, I've seen numerous people here complaining about not being able to get a job with (insert pointless degree here.)
 
2013-09-28 03:07:40 PM
When my parents went to College, they could earn the price of tuition, books and much of their living expenses for the whole school year, working part-time bagging groceries or spending their summers on a road paving crew like my Pop did. Thats all gone. Now, tuition is a weeks gross pay, per quarter, for someone making $21/hr working full time. When the rent on a crappy apartment is pushing 7-10 working days at the same rate, and all the other bills seem to suck up the rest, not a whole lot is left in terms of time and money to go to College these days.

It used to be something to want to seek a higher education. It used to be considered improving oneself. Now, there seem to be huge numbers of people who openly say that Education is somehow subversive, and educated people are somehow unpatriotic and possible dangerous.

Its a really, really weird trend.
 
2013-09-28 03:08:51 PM

topcon: FunkOut: topcon: The most hilarious thing with Gen Y idiots is when they get a bullshiat college degree like gay studies and think they deserve a job out of it.

Hardly anyone does that.

Sure they do, I've seen numerous people here complaining about not being able to get a job with (insert pointless degree here.)


This is true.  It is also true that applying an observation about an entire group based on a subset that is not necessarily representative of the entire group is (while common) a very useless thing to do.  I learned all about this is my statistics class that I took while pursuing a technical, job yielding, degree.

Its entirely possible that there are only "20 Gen-Y idiots" who do this, and every single one of them is a Farker.  If that is the case, then it is such a tiny minority that it does not even warrant mentioning.

Surely this isn't a realistic assessment, but neither is yours.

/born in the 70s, so not really a millennial.
 
2013-09-28 03:11:22 PM
Entitlements isn't a great word for it. It has a lot more to do with responsibility. Someone earlier alluded to it a bit earlier though.

Basically, Millennials feel they should be able to make whatever decisions they like, but also be able to pick the outcome independently from those decisions. To make an absurd analogy for it, they feel they should be able to consume 5000 calories per day, never get up from their desk, and not gain weight. They want to be able to make that decision to take in all those calories, but also be able to not suffer the consequences.

But enough bashing on them for the moment. The real blame goes to the people who made them that way. They've spent their whole life being protected from the consequences of their actions. They've been lauded as "winners" even when their efforts resulted in a clear loss. Those rare instances of acknowledged failure constantly resulted in second and third chances. When you don't allow someone to fail, they never learn how to cope with failure. It's no surprise that they just exhibit outrage, anger, and a feeling of injustice in response to failure, because they never had a chance to figure out how they should react.
 
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