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2013-09-28 08:06:55 AM  
Massholes?
 
2013-09-28 08:49:19 AM  
Quebecois are NOT from the southern waters...
 
2013-09-28 09:06:30 AM  
You Rang?

cdn.history.com
 
2013-09-28 09:20:18 AM  
The oceans have changed by just a small fraction. It seems the glaringly obvious answer is that that area has a lack of competition due to heavy fishing. They're following the food. If it really is due to warming than ocean fish are far more willing to change their patterns than we give them credit for.
 
2013-09-28 09:49:57 AM  

LaChanz: Massholes?


*snort*
 
2013-09-28 09:55:00 AM  
Don't complain about tilefish...them be good eatin.
 
2013-09-28 09:58:56 AM  

John Buck 41: LaChanz: Massholes?

*snort*


They're seasonal, and stick to the major mapped routes.  It's really easy to avoid them if you know the backroads and what signs to look for to indicate the start and finish of tourist season.

Also, one has to learn to avoid their blind spots.  They are dangerous predators if you sneak up on them.  Accelerating through the blind spot so they can see your parking lights with their very limited peripheral vision is a must in successfully navigating another season without injury.
 
2013-09-28 10:07:11 AM  
These fish are part of the global warming scam!
 
2013-09-28 10:14:43 AM  

LaChanz: Massholes?


They aren't nearly as bad as the snowbirds.
 
2013-09-28 10:19:55 AM  
Bummer, I was seriously considering moving to Derry.
 
2013-09-28 10:35:48 AM  

Albinoman: The oceans have changed by just a small fraction. It seems the glaringly obvious answer is that that area has a lack of competition due to heavy fishing. They're following the food. If it really is due to warming than ocean fish are far more willing to change their patterns than we give them credit for.


If fish are known for one thing, it's stubborness. Last fish I talked to told me he'd rather die than swim to waters that have changed to an environment where he and his prey had evolved to thrive in. He'd rather stay and weather his changing environment, that's for sure.
 
2013-09-28 10:46:37 AM  
Interglacial warming, how work it? (And that link is extensively peer reviewed, weenies)

Look.
The fish are doing what stupid humans are too busy arguing about who will pay for prevention to do.
They are adapting. The fish aren't sitting around arguing about what's causing the warming, they're actually doing something about it and voting with their ... fins.
Kind of awful when fish make humans look stupid, innit.
 
2013-09-28 10:48:34 AM  

LaChanz: Massholes?


I be a Mainuh by birth and on my only visit back since infant days was warmly welcomed. I got all the briefings on the annual infestation.

/might move back eventully
 
2013-09-28 10:52:44 AM  

Go Fornicate Without a Partner: John Buck 41: LaChanz: Massholes?

*snort*

They're seasonal, and stick to the major mapped routes.  It's really easy to avoid them if you know the backroads and what signs to look for to indicate the start and finish of tourist season.

Also, one has to learn to avoid their blind spots.  They are dangerous predators if you sneak up on them.  Accelerating through the blind spot so they can see your parking lights with their very limited peripheral vision is a must in successfully navigating another season without injury.


They actually don't bother me much. We have a camp 15 minutes from home and as a rule avoid Bar Harbor between mid-June (or earlier) and Columbus Day weekend. It's still rather busy there then but Wifey and I go to hit the end of season sales. Her for whatever and me for knife bargains at Jekyll and Hyde.
 
2013-09-28 10:58:56 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Interglacial warming, how work it? (And that link is extensively peer reviewed, weenies)

Look.
The fish are doing what stupid humans are too busy arguing about who will pay for prevention to do.
They are adapting. The fish aren't sitting around arguing about what's causing the warming, they're actually doing something about it and voting with their ... fins.
Kind of awful when fish make humans look stupid, innit.


This is what prehistoric hunter gatherers did. Move on when the neighborhood gets crummy.
 
2013-09-28 10:59:45 AM  
Cajuns?
 
2013-09-28 11:07:16 AM  
Read it as "Mars has to deal with a ever growing population that just doesn't belong there"

wpbiro.globat.com
 
2013-09-28 11:14:31 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Interglacial warming, how work it? (And that link is extensively peer reviewed, weenies)
Look.
The fish are doing what stupid humans are too busy arguing about who will pay for prevention to do.
They are adapting. The fish aren't sitting around arguing about what's causing the warming, they're actually doing something about it and voting with their ... fins.
Kind of awful when fish make humans look stupid, innit.


Fish, birds, other animals that can move won't be as affected. But since we've now put most of our animals into defined "reserves" to "save" them, a lot of them won't be able to move either.

Trees, vegetation, water bodies, farmlands can't move as easily. And we don't want you goddamn exotic humans moving into OUR territory either. Go drown or starve to death or something.
 
2013-09-28 11:24:47 AM  

cryinoutloud: Fish, birds, other animals that can move won't be as affected. But since we've now put most of our animals into defined "reserves" to "save" them, a lot of them won't be able to move either.


The human analog is the mortgage.
 
2013-09-28 11:35:52 AM  

Fano: HotIgneous Intruder: Interglacial warming, how work it? (And that link is extensively peer reviewed, weenies)

Look.
The fish are doing what stupid humans are too busy arguing about who will pay for prevention to do.
They are adapting. The fish aren't sitting around arguing about what's causing the warming, they're actually doing something about it and voting with their ... fins.
Kind of awful when fish make humans look stupid, innit.

This is what prehistoric hunter gatherers did. Move on when the neighborhood gets crummy.


I live in Maine.  60 days from now, it'll be 35 degrees.  In 90 days, it'll be 20 degrees average.  In 120 days, we're talking 10 degrees.  It'll cost me $2000-$3000 to prevent my family from freezing to death.  I will have to choose between giving up a day's pay or risking my life driving in a treacherous snow storm.

It's getting warmer on earth you say?  Awwwwww.. I has a sad.

If you live in an overpopulated, over-polluted environment that has an artificial smog-like cloud cover that traps the unnatural heat signatures from your millions of combustion engines and whatnot, and you are butthurt that you're running out of water, and the heat is unsafe.. I have just the thing for you:

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-09-28 11:43:32 AM  
After reading all those Stephen King novels, no way am I moving to Maine.
 
2013-09-28 11:44:45 AM  

Go Fornicate Without a Partner: I will have to choose between giving up a day's pay or risking my life driving in a treacherous snow storm.


Hint: If your environment is so dangerous and treacherous, why not move?
Be like the fish!
 
2013-09-28 11:47:50 AM  

Go Fornicate Without a Partner: Fano: HotIgneous Intruder: Interglacial warming, how work it? (And that link is extensively peer reviewed, weenies)

Look.
The fish are doing what stupid humans are too busy arguing about who will pay for prevention to do.
They are adapting. The fish aren't sitting around arguing about what's causing the warming, they're actually doing something about it and voting with their ... fins.
Kind of awful when fish make humans look stupid, innit.

This is what prehistoric hunter gatherers did. Move on when the neighborhood gets crummy.

I live in Maine.  60 days from now, it'll be 35 degrees.  In 90 days, it'll be 20 degrees average.  In 120 days, we're talking 10 degrees.  It'll cost me $2000-$3000 to prevent my family from freezing to death.  I will have to choose between giving up a day's pay or risking my life driving in a treacherous snow storm.

It's getting warmer on earth you say?  Awwwwww.. I has a sad.

If you live in an overpopulated, over-polluted environment that has an artificial smog-like cloud cover that traps the unnatural heat signatures from your millions of combustion engines and whatnot, and you are butthurt that you're running out of water, and the heat is unsafe.. I have just the thing for you:


I wish I had a moonbase too, so I don't have to be affected by climate change.
 
2013-09-28 12:02:33 PM  
Before humans moved into Earth, they should have checked the climate history.
Buyer beware.
 
2013-09-28 12:33:14 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Before humans moved into Earth, they should have checked the climate history.
Buyer beware.


Hey, I tried to warn them coming down from the trees was a mistake. Unless they wanted to do the "screw this living on land thing, I'm moving back to ocean" like the smarter mammals did.
 
2013-09-28 12:50:35 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Interglacial warming, how work it? (And that link is extensively peer reviewed, weenies)

Look.
The fish are doing what stupid humans are too busy arguing about who will pay for prevention to do.
They are adapting. The fish aren't sitting around arguing about what's causing the warming, they're actually doing something about it and voting with their ... fins.
Kind of awful when fish make humans look stupid, innit.


You might not think you're smarter than a fish, but probably you really are. Well, maybe. But to me this sounds more like a self esteem issue than an intelligence gap. What I'm saying is that you might not be as dumb as you think you are, so don't be too hard on yourself.

Go out and eat a fish sandwich or some sushi, and revel in your apex predator status. You know, show those stupid fish who's boss.
 
2013-09-28 12:55:11 PM  

Albinoman: The oceans have changed by just a small fraction. It seems the glaringly obvious answer is that that area has a lack of competition due to heavy fishing. They're following the food. If it really is due to warming than ocean fish are far more willing to change their patterns than we give them credit for.


derp
 
2013-09-28 01:06:19 PM  
Shakin_Haitian: I wish I had a moonbase too, so I don't have to be affected by climate change.

Sure, it's all great until the nuclear waste stored there explodes and sends the moon careening around the galaxy.
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-09-28 01:08:45 PM  

Wasilla Hillbilly: Bummer, I was seriously considering moving to Derry.


There's something special about the smell of Derry air.
 
2013-09-28 01:52:46 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-09-28 02:47:50 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Go Fornicate Without a Partner: I will have to choose between giving up a day's pay or risking my life driving in a treacherous snow storm.

Hint: If your environment is so dangerous and treacherous, why not move?
Be like the fish!


I can't speak for GFWAP but I stay 'cos our late springs, all of our summers, and early falls kick huge ass and make up for our crappy winters.
 
2013-09-28 03:24:59 PM  

Shakin_Haitian: Go Fornicate Without a Partner: Fano: HotIgneous Intruder: Interglacial warming, how work it? (And that link is extensively peer reviewed, weenies)

Look.
The fish are doing what stupid humans are too busy arguing about who will pay for prevention to do.
They are adapting. The fish aren't sitting around arguing about what's causing the warming, they're actually doing something about it and voting with their ... fins.
Kind of awful when fish make humans look stupid, innit.

This is what prehistoric hunter gatherers did. Move on when the neighborhood gets crummy.

I live in Maine.  60 days from now, it'll be 35 degrees.  In 90 days, it'll be 20 degrees average.  In 120 days, we're talking 10 degrees.  It'll cost me $2000-$3000 to prevent my family from freezing to death.  I will have to choose between giving up a day's pay or risking my life driving in a treacherous snow storm.

It's getting warmer on earth you say?  Awwwwww.. I has a sad.

If you live in an overpopulated, over-polluted environment that has an artificial smog-like cloud cover that traps the unnatural heat signatures from your millions of combustion engines and whatnot, and you are butthurt that you're running out of water, and the heat is unsafe.. I have just the thing for you:

I wish I had a moonbase too, so I don't have to be affected by climate change.


uh.. what?  I like climate change.  I want climate change.  I EMBRACE climate change.  No moonbase needed.  Cook this motherfarker.  Millions of big city a$$holes will die, and then the world will move on.  My home region will go from being deadly cold 6 months out of the year, to being hospitable.  Whats not to like about any of that?

BRB, I'm going to go drive 200 miles while spraying aerosol cans into the atmosphere...
 
2013-09-28 03:31:35 PM  

Go Fornicate Without a Partner: Shakin_Haitian: Go Fornicate Without a Partner: Fano: HotIgneous Intruder: Interglacial warming, how work it? (And that link is extensively peer reviewed, weenies)

Look.
The fish are doing what stupid humans are too busy arguing about who will pay for prevention to do.
They are adapting. The fish aren't sitting around arguing about what's causing the warming, they're actually doing something about it and voting with their ... fins.
Kind of awful when fish make humans look stupid, innit.

This is what prehistoric hunter gatherers did. Move on when the neighborhood gets crummy.

I live in Maine.  60 days from now, it'll be 35 degrees.  In 90 days, it'll be 20 degrees average.  In 120 days, we're talking 10 degrees.  It'll cost me $2000-$3000 to prevent my family from freezing to death.  I will have to choose between giving up a day's pay or risking my life driving in a treacherous snow storm.

It's getting warmer on earth you say?  Awwwwww.. I has a sad.

If you live in an overpopulated, over-polluted environment that has an artificial smog-like cloud cover that traps the unnatural heat signatures from your millions of combustion engines and whatnot, and you are butthurt that you're running out of water, and the heat is unsafe.. I have just the thing for you:

I wish I had a moonbase too, so I don't have to be affected by climate change.

uh.. what?  I like climate change.  I want climate change.  I EMBRACE climate change.  No moonbase needed.  Cook this motherfarker.  Millions of big city a$$holes will die, and then the world will move on.  My home region will go from being deadly cold 6 months out of the year, to being hospitable.  Whats not to like about any of that?

BRB, I'm going to go drive 200 miles while spraying aerosol cans into the atmosphere...


More likely that millions of big city assholes will move to your neck of the woods. Good luck with that.
 
2013-09-28 04:01:54 PM  

HighZoolander: More likely that millions of big city assholes will move to your neck of the woods. Good luck with that.


They'll fall by the wayside, one way or another. Trust me.
 
2013-09-28 04:33:23 PM  
I have the highest regard for the hard-working down-to-earth folks of Maine, but I ain't never seen someone tuck a sharp knife into his hat brim like that. Sorry, that just looks dangerous and stupid.
 
2013-09-28 05:50:49 PM  

clambam: I have the highest regard for the hard-working down-to-earth folks of Maine, but I ain't never seen someone tuck a sharp knife into his hat brim like that. Sorry, that just looks dangerous and stupid.


I caught that too. Was hoping it was just a nail file. Still...
 
2013-09-28 07:16:00 PM  
What warmer?

www.woodfortrees.org
 
2013-09-28 07:29:26 PM  

SevenizGud: What warmer?

[www.woodfortrees.org image 640x480]


The one that gets repeatedly demonstrated to you, and you continue to hide from.
 
2013-09-28 07:43:50 PM  
"I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully." - George W. Bush
 
2013-09-28 07:46:45 PM  

SevenizGud: What warmer?

[www.woodfortrees.org image 640x480]


Yeah, because that's the right timescale.
 
2013-09-28 07:47:01 PM  

SevenizGud: What warmer?


You bore me.

www.skepticalscience.com
Feel free to man up and address the prior demolishing of your simplistic assertions that Damnhippyfreak linked to.  You won't, and all we'll get is more foot-stomping and deflection, but I'm just putting that option out there.
 
2013-09-28 08:01:20 PM  

Albinoman: The oceans have changed by just a small fraction. It seems the glaringly obvious answer is that that area has a lack of competition due to heavy fishing. They're following the food. If it really is due to warming than ocean fish are far more willing to change their patterns than we give them credit for.


Fish are sensitive and vulnerable to small changes in salinity and temperature. Every aquarist knows this.

Many species of fish (and crustaceans, and shellfish) are turning up further North in European waters, where the codfish were fished out on a different time scale. For example, blue crabs that are fished in Chesapeake Bay have been turning up in New England. Their European cousins have been turning up in Scotland.

Many species of fish are turning up in the North Pacific, while Northern fish are moving northward as well. British Columbia's salmon went missing at sea one year and showed up millions short for the mating run. They are believed to have moved to different waters since they made a come-back in the next season.

The collapse of the cod fisheries and others has meant a large increase in the population of crabs, sea urchins, and other species which eat fish eggs and young. This is one reason why the cod have been not bouncing back despite lower quotas. Changes in the environment have also stressed fish stocks--these can be measured, you know. Scientists are not just making temperatures up.

If you want to blame over-fishing rather than climate, you should gather evidence for this claim. What do the new species eat? What are the limits of their former range and the limiting factors, besides competition, prey, predators?

Fact is, many species of plant, animal, parasites, diseases and so forth are on the move globally. Overfishing can't explain the new plants I am seeing when I go East for the holidays. They can't explain changes in the start of Spring (15 days in the Yukon for the mating of squirrels, about two weeks for flowering and other Spring events in New England).

There is a heap of biological evidence for global climate change. Unfortunately, migrations are not a smooth and uniform adaptation. Some can adapt, some can not. The birds can arrive earlier, but their food may not.
 
2013-09-28 08:04:25 PM  
On the plus side, fall leafers will eventually move into Quebec and Nova Scotia.

Then the two banes of tourism will cancel each other out.

The Maple Leafers will fight les Canadiens.

I think that was one of the prophecies of Nostradamus.
 
2013-09-28 08:15:29 PM  
Interglacial warming?

The level of CO2 is now at 400 ppm. That's more greenhouse gas than at any time in the last 3,000,000 years, which is to say, during all of the ice ages and interglacials since we went from monkey to man.

The present interglacial period is very long in the tooth. That's why a lot of climate scientists are speculating about it ending sooner rather than later. And also one reason why the last dip in temperatures led some to talk of a coming ice age--although not on a short time scale. A blink of God or Nature's eye is centuries, even millenia. It may be that the Cooling minority will prove right--in a couple of centuries or more. It may be that we will warm the world enough to put off cooling that has been ongoing for quite some time (the Little Ice Age).

Wrong time scale to refute anthropogenic climate change, just like the ten year or 15 year "cooling" graphs that show the hottest decade in a century and a half of instrumental records as "flat" and thus, apparently, non-existent.

All of the straightt lines have been flat. That's what straight lines do--they turn neither to the left nor the right.

The problem is burning massive amouns of fossil carbon. The problem is pumping massive amounts of fossil water. The problem is unsustainability in the economic and environmental sense of the word. Get real and deal with it, or we will join dozens of cultures and civilizations whose cities are now under sand dunes or water.
 
2013-09-28 08:46:06 PM  

SevenizGud: What warmer?

[www.woodfortrees.org image 640x480]


What lack of warming?
 
2013-09-28 09:49:34 PM  

chimp_ninja: SevenizGud: What warmer?

You bore me.

[www.skepticalscience.com image 500x340]
Feel free to man up and address the prior demolishing of your simplistic assertions that Damnhippyfreak linked to.  You won't, and all we'll get is more foot-stomping and deflection, but I'm just putting that option out there.


I can't wait for him to tell us the real time period we should look at starts 13.8 billion years ago with the Big Bang and the trend shows steadily cooling from a peak of infinity degrees.  We really should factor in ALL the natural cycles, folks.
 
2013-09-28 10:19:39 PM  

Baryogenesis: chimp_ninja: SevenizGud: What warmer?

You bore me.

[www.skepticalscience.com image 500x340]
Feel free to man up and address the prior demolishing of your simplistic assertions that Damnhippyfreak linked to.  You won't, and all we'll get is more foot-stomping and deflection, but I'm just putting that option out there.

I can't wait for him to tell us the real time period we should look at starts 13.8 billion years ago with the Big Bang and the trend shows steadily cooling from a peak of infinity degrees.  We really should factor in ALL the natural cycles, folks.


It would be extra good if he started the y-axis at zero degrees kelvin, so we could really see the fall from infinity (and nothing else).
 
2013-09-29 04:16:52 AM  
Meanwhile, record setting lobster hauls. So stfu
 
2013-09-29 12:08:40 PM  

SevenizGud: What warmer?

[www.woodfortrees.org image 640x480]


i1326.photobucket.com
 
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