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Pud [TotalFark]
2013-09-28 08:33:10 AM
Hmmm, I thought that was an Atlanta ....thing
 
2013-09-28 09:07:33 AM
What's wrong with that? Stupid rules that slave childrens' futures to porkbarrel tests produced by political supporters of the people who require the tests were made to be broken.

ALL good teachers should be helping kids cheat on these things and using the time saved no cramming for BS tests on actually teaching the kids.
 
2013-09-28 10:45:17 AM

doglover: What's wrong with that? Stupid rules that slave childrens' futures to porkbarrel tests produced by political supporters of the people who require the tests were made to be broken.

ALL good teachers should be helping kids cheat on these things and using the time saved no cramming for BS tests on actually teaching the kids.


You are correct, there is not a need for education when the government can and will support you cradle to grave. Just teach the children to fill out forms and send em on there way.
 
2013-09-28 10:45:29 AM

Pud: Hmmm, I thought that was an Atlanta ....thing


Nope. Atlanata was just dumb enough to get caught at it. That's all.

Schools don't "teach" anymore. They're just SAT score factories designed to fill kids' heads with crap just long enough for them to fill in the right ovals.

At the risk of a Godwin, Hitler once said that the education of the "subdued races" should be just enough to know how to read road signs and written orders from their Masters, and that's it. Apparently that sort of process is being implemented today.
 
2013-09-28 10:45:54 AM
The federal Department of Education needs to be eliminated. Education should be managed at the state and local level.
 
2013-09-28 10:46:33 AM

doglover: What's wrong with that? Stupid rules that slave childrens' futures to porkbarrel tests produced by political supporters of the people who require the tests were made to be broken.

ALL good teachers should be helping kids cheat on these things and using the time saved no cramming for BS tests on actually teaching the kids.


I'm going to give you an 8/10 on that one.  I came close to biting.  I know mouth breathers who hold that kind of position.  They can't access more than facebook or pinterest though
 
2013-09-28 10:47:45 AM
Huh.

It's almost as if giving 2nd graders standardized tests is kind of silly to begin with.
 
2013-09-28 10:49:00 AM
And leave my preposition-ending sentences out of this.
 
2013-09-28 10:51:40 AM

adm_crunch: The federal Department of Education needs to be eliminated. Education should be managed at the state and local level.


*BAM*!

This wins on all counts
 
2013-09-28 10:54:14 AM

adm_crunch: The federal Department of Education needs to be eliminated. Education should be managed at the state and local level.


Just like insurance, because that's working out so well for everyone.
 
2013-09-28 10:58:11 AM
Dumbass?  More like Hero.  Standardized tests only check to see if kids are good at taking standardized tests.
 
2013-09-28 10:58:21 AM

adm_crunch: The federal Department of Education needs to be eliminated. Education should be managed at the state and local level.


It is not managed at the state and local level now? That was a state test for state guidelines. Even the new Common Core standards came from the state governors not the feds.

I am not an expert at the federal Dept of Ed. I do know the title one money is to make sure districts have cash for special needs and at risk students. The guy I knew who worked for the feds did research to make sure teaching methods actually worked and published findings so the states would not have to do the same thing 50x.
 
2013-09-28 11:03:11 AM

Yakk: adm_crunch: The federal Department of Education needs to be eliminated. Education should be managed at the state and local level.

It is not managed at the state and local level now? That was a state test for state guidelines. Even the new Common Core standards came from the state governors not the feds.

I am not an expert at the federal Dept of Ed. I do know the title one money is to make sure districts have cash for special needs and at risk students. The guy I knew who worked for the feds did research to make sure teaching methods actually worked and published findings so the states would not have to do the same thing 50x.


The states do some things themselves, technically, but a lot of them are directives from the Feds under threat of having their federal funding yanked. It's basically legal blackmail.

Stop collecting the federal funding in the first place and let the states collect it themselves.
 
2013-09-28 11:05:15 AM

doglover: What's wrong with that? Stupid rules that slave childrens' futures to porkbarrel tests produced by political supporters of the people who require the tests were made to be broken.

ALL good teachers should be helping kids cheat on these things and using the time saved no cramming for BS tests on actually teaching the kids.


Don't these tests focus on the most basic elements, in the different subjects?  If these basics haven't been mastered by the students, what then, are the teachers planning to move on to.  Suzy can't read. Oh well, next stop, Tolstoy.  Or will it be, "critical thinking"!  There is nothing more valuable, than a "critical thinker", who doesn't know what they're "thinking" about.
 
2013-09-28 11:05:25 AM
Teachers unable to keep kids up to standards when the kid has only been in the system for 2 years?

Obviously professionals like these need raises.
 
2013-09-28 11:13:25 AM
Give a child the answers and they will cheat for a day. Teach a child to cheat and they will cheat for a lifetime.
 
2013-09-28 11:14:48 AM

megarian: And leave my preposition-ending sentences out of this.


This is the sort of nonsense up with which I will not put.
 
2013-09-28 11:16:10 AM
Horace Mann and Frederick Kelly have a lot to answer for.

I started college after coming to the US in my mid twenties, and found that the majority of the students coming straight from high school could not explain their reasoning without resorting to logical fallacy or straw men, and many could not formulate a complex written sentence. They measured their intellectual ability on the recitation of facts, scores on tests, and their grades at the end of the class. I think the US has spent a century and a half deliberately eradicating individual thought, and that has denied the development of those that could possibly solve such problems, and enhance the quality of life, at the world, national, and local levels. I am, to a certain degree, talking about creativity, but creativity gave us the personal computer, smart phones, airplanes, space travel, Fark.com, the modern Olympic games, Kickstarter, the electric guitar, ballpoint pens, standardized traffic signs, the Kindle reader, modern psychology, the mapping of the genome, and the bikini.

All took inventive conceptual thinking, and that inventiveness is systematically stripped from children from the moment they entered the so-called hallowed halls or their school. Colleges do occasionally squirt out someone who could change the world, but what they take in as a student body has long since rendered them into glorified trade schools.
 
2013-09-28 11:19:17 AM
Why is "second graders" = "Fark" ?
I guess to get the greenlight on an otherwise mundane article.
 
2013-09-28 11:32:40 AM

This is what happens when you make teachers accountable for the progress of their students.

 
2013-09-28 11:34:22 AM
I actually would have no problem with a large school corporation giving the proverbial middle finger and making sure that every student passes the test with a 100%.

Schools exist to teach; they are failing at that and remain daycares with number 2 pencils.
 
2013-09-28 11:46:17 AM

adm_crunch: Yakk: adm_crunch: The federal Department of Education needs to be eliminated. Education should be managed at the state and local level.

It is not managed at the state and local level now? That was a state test for state guidelines. Even the new Common Core standards came from the state governors not the feds.

I am not an expert at the federal Dept of Ed. I do know the title one money is to make sure districts have cash for special needs and at risk students. The guy I knew who worked for the feds did research to make sure teaching methods actually worked and published findings so the states would not have to do the same thing 50x.

The states do some things themselves, technically, but a lot of them are directives from the Feds under threat of having their federal funding yanked. It's basically legal blackmail.

Stop collecting the federal funding in the first place and let the states collect it themselves.


No. Wrong.  Incorrect.

Federal funding makes up less than 15% of school budgets nationwide, and even that number is wonky because the feds are heavily invested in failing schools and not at all in good schools.  Most schools are managed at the state and local level.  Always have been.

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What's alarming to me are the lies liberals tell themselves and others in order to pretend that there isn't a problem with our education system.
 
2013-09-28 11:53:31 AM
No sex between the teacher and student?  Well, isn't this boring.

Seriously though, we really ought to be privatizing more schools. In EVERY industry, competition has been found to breed innovation, higher quality, and lower prices.
 
2013-09-28 11:59:30 AM
Misguided compassion?
Or misguided self-interest?
You be the judge.
 
2013-09-28 12:13:00 PM

TheWhoppah: This is what happens when you make teachers [solely] accountable for the progress of their students.


There, fixed it for you.

Let's not have any accountability for the parents who let their kids stay up till 11pm playing XBox, send them to school with a pop tart for breakfast, and have no involvement with the education of their kids at all, outside of drop-off and pick-up. School is not a day care center.
 
2013-09-28 12:22:11 PM

Resident Muslim: Misguided compassion?
Or misguided self-interest?
You be the judge.


Of course, she did it for the children.  You dare question the motives of a teacher!

I picked the wrong profession.  Who wouldn't want one, where you claim every success, but, if there's failure, you blame the parents.  I guess the bumper sticker that read, "If you can read this, thank a teacher", was completely wrong.
 
2013-09-28 12:31:42 PM

TheWhoppah: This is what happens poor teachers do when you make teachers accountable for the progress of their students.


Fixed that for you.
 
2013-09-28 12:33:51 PM

doglover: What's wrong with that? Stupid rules that slave childrens' futures to porkbarrel tests produced by political supporters of the people who require the tests were made to be broken.

ALL good teachers should be helping kids cheat on these things and using the time saved no cramming for BS tests on actually teaching the kids.


I agree, I think. Not really sure, you're kinda all over the place.
 
2013-09-28 01:21:18 PM
This is a serious problem. You can't base teacher evaluations on the results of testing and expect that they won't at a minimum just teach to the test, much less outright cheat. This only eliminates the best teachers. The worst teachers just cheat. That does no one any good.
 
2013-09-28 01:27:31 PM

adm_crunch: The federal Department of Education needs to be eliminated. Education should be managed at the state and local level.


In our state (AK) we use a rating system of 1-5 stars for schools. This system is based, not only on standardized test scores, but on attendance and improvement from last year (grades K-8) plus ACT/SAT/Work Keys scores and graduation rates for high schools. Failing schools get help not penalties. The help consists of mentors for the teachers and principal and the development of an improvement plan using an online analysis program that helps you identify what you are doing wrong in 77 different areas.

We got permission to use this instead of No Child Left Behind from the department of Education. If schools in your area are not managed at the state level, it is because your state department of education is to lazy to develop another system. In that case, these are NOT the people you want managing.
 
2013-09-28 01:38:45 PM
The same thing happened here in DC after Michelle Rhee took over as school administrator.  Parents were saw right through it.  One claimed:  "How can my kid score in the top 1 percent on the standardized math test and yet can't even add and subtract when he's at home".

Funny thing is, it was the high test scores of the Charter schools that she managed that got her the job in the first place.
 
2013-09-28 03:06:52 PM
"A D turns into a B so easily! You just got greedy."
 
2013-09-28 10:47:43 PM

Brick-House: No sex between the teacher and student?  Well, isn't this boring.

Seriously though, we really ought to be privatizing more schools. In EVERY industry, competition has been found to breed innovation, higher quality, and lower prices.


As long as you work it so the schools are still "free" (in that they are paid for collectively by the community instead of by the individual parent). 

 Because if you make people pay tuition for their child to go to school, a whole lot of kids won't be going. And it's not beneficial for the nation to have an uneducated populace... I mean, things are bad enough with that now in our current system with it's flaws.
 
2013-09-28 10:49:55 PM
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/since no one else has posted it yet...
 
2013-09-28 11:24:16 PM
This is the consequence of making the damn tests so important not just for students, but for teachers and administrators keeping their jobs and getting raises. Once the test scores became political, everybody lost.
 
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