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(Dallas News)   Interesting: Ted Cruz's 21-hour overnight filibuster effective in swinging the vote. Obvious: by persuading 27 of his fellow Republican senators to not give a fark about whatever he's going on about   (dallasnews.com) divider line 113
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2013-09-28 08:49:49 AM
Hey, you don't have to be a Republican Senator to think Cruz is an idiotic, pretentious, bloviating attention whore.
 
2013-09-28 08:56:43 AM
""I am hopeful that the filibuster on the Senate floor had a positive impact framing the issue for the American people," he said, "and mobilizing and energizing those who are hurting under Obamacare to speak out and have their voices heard in Washington."

No, Ted. All it did was make it screamingly obvious that you have even less of a chance of being President than Rand Paul.

Actually, it's interesting; prior to this I'd have put Paul's chances at zero, but then you came along and bumped them up to 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001%.

Fark you for that, too.
 
2013-09-28 09:10:25 AM
"Filibuster."
 
2013-09-28 09:39:40 AM
I put his chances for president at just under potato.

/vapid twunt
 
2013-09-28 09:45:33 AM
Hey, Republicans. That collective face palm you're doing? Remember this. Make a note of this feeling. That sigh, the shake of your head, and the hand across your face to hide your embarrassment at sharing a species with that guy.

Remember that. How you feel today, is how the rest of the civilized world feels when it looks at you. Every. Day. Of the year.
 
2013-09-28 09:48:47 AM
This was about attention whoring not getting senate votes.

On the upside he has driven a wedge in the GOP that may never heal.
 
2013-09-28 09:49:45 AM
So 27 republicans refused to board the crazy train,I guess that's a start.They have a long walk back to sanity though.
 
2013-09-28 09:50:24 AM
Cruz/Nugent 20potatoe
 
2013-09-28 09:53:25 AM
This seems an insightful view on what Cruz is actually up to:

Let's suppose Cruz sees something (or is betting on something) that his opponents in the Republican Party don't see. Then his actions make a lot more sense. He is not a terrorist or a bomb thrower. He is a Leninist. He wants to sow discord among his erstwhile allies so that he can seize control.
...
Cruz wants to take over the Republican Party. He could try to organize the Tea Party as a third party, but that is a risky proposition, and it could easily fail.
...
So the prudent move is to take over the existing GOP's operations and transform it in the image of the Tea Party, with the goal of becoming the dominant party once again. That is why Cruz is attacking his fellow Republicans for being weak-kneed and insufficiently devoted to the conservative cause, rather than doing what you would think a hard-right politician should be doing -- attacking liberals and Democrats. He is deliberately fracturing the Republican Party so he can take hold of the largest piece of it.


Additionally, there is very little downside for Ted Cruz. If moderate Republicans leave the party, that's fine with him. If moderate Republican voters either stop voting for the GOP or just stop voting at all, that's also fine for Ted.

Of course the Republican party, and the whole country might be farked by his course of action - but Ted don't care.
 
2013-09-28 09:56:07 AM
The GOP cultivated the tea party, demonized affordable health care and painted themselves into an uncomfortable corner.  Again.

Moderate republicans have little choice but to side with democrats to get a budget passed.
 
2013-09-28 10:01:37 AM
I'm eating some green eggs right now, and know what? Turns out once I tried them I like 'em!
 
2013-09-28 10:02:31 AM

whatsupchuck: The GOP cultivated the tea party, demonized affordable health care and painted themselves into an uncomfortable corner.  Again.

Moderate republicans have little choice but to side with democrats to get a budget passed.


Unfortunately, that presupposes that Boehner actually has enough balls to tell the teabaggers to get farked and side with the Democrats to create a non-insane budget.
 
2013-09-28 10:09:41 AM
I admit, with lowered head, to going to "freeperville" with some regularity

It's been interesting to watch the "RINO" posts, and those attacking the Speaker - there seems to be no GOP member they will not fall upon with sharp keyboards.

This week? They ADORE Ted Cruz - i'd have re-posted but understand that is a "no-no" - suffice to say, I've come to think that the not-stupid Cruz is trying to woo the Tea Party who will only remember he fillibstered the bill (not that it didnt work) about the time both their perception of rates "increase" and the mid-terms roll around.

I'd like to think he's an idiot but he isn't really - and there are a number of people out there who would vote for him for POTUS this afternoon because he is a "real conservative" - scary stuff!
 
2013-09-28 10:16:06 AM
Is "Ted Cruz" over yet?
 
2013-09-28 10:18:36 AM
"This is an ongoing process, and we'll see how it concludes at the end of the process," Cruz said, playing down the defeat. "It's unfortunate that Senate Republicans were not united this time around.

Except it was 25 to 19 within the Republican party, sounds to me like it was the minority that wouldn't unite.

Cruz insisted that his round-the-clock efforts this week weren't in vain, even if most GOP senators shunned his plan.

It would only not be in vain if his final purpose was just to prevent funding to the Affordable Care Act, but I'm sure the strategy here is to grandstand for future elections and secure the fringe extremist votes.
 
2013-09-28 10:19:23 AM
"It's unfortunate that Senate Republicans were not united this time around."

It's like raping someone and then saying "It's unfortunate that you chose not to enjoy it this time around."
 
2013-09-28 10:20:05 AM
The Snake Worshipers went too far that day, and threw green poo at the sun worshipers. The Sun Worshipers, accustomed to ordinary red poo, used this as proof that the Snake god was a false god.
 
2013-09-28 10:21:19 AM

parasol: I admit, with lowered head, to going to "freeperville" with some regularity

It's been interesting to watch the "RINO" posts, and those attacking the Speaker - there seems to be no GOP member they will not fall upon with sharp keyboards.

This week? They ADORE Ted Cruz - i'd have re-posted but understand that is a "no-no" - suffice to say, I've come to think that the not-stupid Cruz is trying to woo the Tea Party who will only remember he fillibstered the bill (not that it didnt work) about the time both their perception of rates "increase" and the mid-terms roll around.


See I don't get the point of that. All you need to woo the Tea Party is some jangly Red White and Blue keys. Ted shouldn't have to woo very hard, he's already got the derp vote in the bag. It should be clear after last election that you just Can't Win with the Tea Party alone. So why is he trying so hard to convert the choir?

I'd like to think he's an idiot but he isn't really - and there are a number of people out there who would vote for him for POTUS this afternoon because he is a "real conservative" - scary stuff!

Romney got 47%. A lot of people felt he was "real conservative" (until after the election that is). And then there are those who will vote simply because Ted has an R next to his name.
 
2013-09-28 10:22:13 AM
Pharque-it:
Is "Ted Cruz" over yet?

Doubt it - it seems he may be splitting the "conservatives" into "ineffective GOP members ie RINOS" and courting Tea Party/"real conservatives" - No doubt SarahPAC has already called him on the red phone.

This frightens me - if it works, the mid-terms may usher in new people who not only don't know how to govern (or don't care) but have a terrible agenda.

Plus? He looks like the grown-up version of Damien from "Omen" so I can imagine him in unflattering light. Just getting ready for Halloween, really.
 
2013-09-28 10:24:39 AM
The Derping of the American Electorate.
 
2013-09-28 10:26:30 AM
Whatever... I'm not buying the "moderate Republican" bullshiat anymore.

These assholes supported and encouraged the Teabaggers when it suited them and now that Frankenstein's monster is becoming uncontrollable , they want me to believe they're all about compromise and pragmatism? Right.

The GOP can go fark themselves as far as I'm concerned. No Republican gets a vote from me ever. They don't deserve my vote and I'll actively vote against every Republican I'm able to. If that means voting for democrats for the rest of my life, so be it. I'm further left than most democrats including Obama, but at least the democrats aren't actively trying to fark my family over to push a regressive, farked-up ideology.
 
2013-09-28 10:26:54 AM
There has to be a way to turn this into a drinking game
 
2013-09-28 10:27:26 AM
Except it wasn't a filibuster.
 
2013-09-28 10:31:48 AM

keylock71: Whatever... I'm not buying the "moderate Republican" bullshiat anymore.


Moderate Republicans are easy to identify.  They call themselves "Democrats".
 
2013-09-28 10:34:10 AM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: keylock71: Whatever... I'm not buying the "moderate Republican" bullshiat anymore.

Moderate Republicans are easy to identify.  They call themselves "Democrats".



Pretty much...
 
2013-09-28 10:34:12 AM
The janitorial staff perform an equally meaningful filibuster every night in the House and it doesn't get national coverage.
 
2013-09-28 10:34:16 AM

bwilson27: The Snake Worshipers went too far that day, and threw green poo at the sun worshipers. The Sun Worshipers, accustomed to ordinary red poo, used this as proof that the Snake god was a false god.


The flipper birds, that's you, eat the fish.
The flying birds, that's me, eat the flipper bird and the fish.
And lately, there ain't a lot of fish.
 
2013-09-28 10:35:32 AM
keylock71

with some small edits your post could mirror those at freeperville

they are mad at the GOP - which leaves, what?

Cruz may not be an idiot but what he is fermenting is an evil, stupid, destructive following

We may miss the old GOP before too long - who was it that bowed out early? Olympia Snow?
 
2013-09-28 10:36:14 AM

parasol: This frightens me - if it works, the mid-terms may usher in new people who not only don't know how to govern (or don't care) but have a terrible agenda.


In my opinion, the legislators you worry about are already there. The "debate" as represented by 10-month Senator Mr. Cruz is not about policy it's partisan warfare. Obamacare is largely a creation of the Heritage Foundation, a Republican think-tank. A realistic GOP should be happy their policy is moving ahead. They are not.

The Republicans are out of power in the Senate and the White House. The only thing that directs their interests (cash) is partisan warfare. Most of the freshmen class in the House did not get there by realistic viewpoints on governance and policy, they were elected because they could herp louder than their primary opponent. The districts themselves are structured to guarantee a GOP victory.

It has been said before, Congress is broken. In a parliamentary form of Congress a government shutdown would result in immediate dissolution of the Congress and new elections. The system itself needs change. It's not Mr. Cruz. There will always be ambitious politicians who seek only personal power and have no actual policy in mind.
 
2013-09-28 10:37:14 AM
The train wreck that is the Republican Party has at least a couple more election cycles to go.

If the Dems moved ever so slightly to the middle here in Texas, the switch would be epic.
Sadly, the last time I went to a Tx Dem Party function, the far left was still running the bus.
There's a LOT of folks in the middle that want sanity brought back, but I'm not sure which party really wants the middle anymore.

Meanwhile, it's been a real hoot watching Cruz attention whore his way to the front of the TPCT (Tea Party Crazy Train)
 
2013-09-28 10:37:53 AM
His attempt to diss Texas Senator Wendy Davis' real filibuster, which was ruled over by saying her speech was no longer germane, since she mentioned the previous year's anti-abortion bill, was part of his motivation.

That he could quote Dr.Seuss, have a stand-in, rent the hall for very little since the scheduled vote wasn't for a few hours later, and was actually allowed to lean on furniture is no filibuster. It just indicates the obsessed drive normally associated with serial killers or Austrian psychopaths of the last Reich century.
 
2013-09-28 10:41:40 AM
So he "fillubustered" a bill that would have defunded Obamacare.
Clever.

Like super reverse psychology.
Leave it to an Ivy Leaguer to go full retard.
 
2013-09-28 10:42:11 AM

SVenus: Sadly, the last time I went to a Tx Dem Party function, the far left was still running the bus.


Ah yes, "the far left".  As hilariously misapplied as this label has become, I'm sure it's even more hilarious when used in Texas.  Is "the far left" anyone who doesn't exclusively listen to country music?
 
2013-09-28 10:44:08 AM
Delay -

   Your opinion is one I agree with -
   Lets go further? Your statement "The Republicans are out of Power int he Senate and White House" - they are also falling out of favor with the more reactionary pillar of their base (which, granted, they worked to have under the tent).  Given Gerry's drawing of electoral maps, I can see more herpers coming in the mid-term, shoring up Cruz et al and doing major damage.
    Yes, the system needs change - and relegating the old guard GOP members into obscurity by labeling them "RINO" is no fix for anyone who still longs for reasoned, experienced debate. I say that as a ( D ).
 
2013-09-28 10:44:49 AM
All I hear from my Ultra Conservative co-workers and relatives is how Ted is a hero for his brave filibuster to stop Obama care...
 
2013-09-28 10:46:20 AM
I still think it's some long-form Kaufman-esque performance art.
 
2013-09-28 10:48:07 AM

Lackofname: It should be clear after last election that you just Can't Win with the Tea Party alone.


The GOP wasn't conservative enough in the last election.

So why is he trying so hard to convert the choir?

A fool and his money soon go separate ways.  The Teaparty is consists of a lot of fools.  Palin got rich from campaign donations from mouth breathing Teabaggers.
 
2013-09-28 10:48:21 AM

SVenus: The train wreck that is the Republican Party has at least a couple more election cycles to go.

If the Dems moved ever so slightly to the middle here in Texas, the switch would be epic.
Sadly, the last time I went to a Tx Dem Party function, the far left was still running the bus.
There's a LOT of folks in the middle that want sanity brought back, but I'm not sure which party really wants the middle anymore.

Meanwhile, it's been a real hoot watching Cruz attention whore his way to the front of the TPCT (Tea Party Crazy Train)


Funny, when I think of Texas Democrats I think - Lyndon Johnson, Sam Rayburn, Barbara Jordan, Ann Richards, and recently Wendy Davis. I would not consider any of them "far left" maybe you could point one out?
 
2013-09-28 10:49:26 AM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: SVenus: Sadly, the last time I went to a Tx Dem Party function, the far left was still running the bus.

Ah yes, "the far left".  As hilariously misapplied as this label has become, I'm sure it's even more hilarious when used in Texas.  Is "the far left" anyone who doesn't exclusively listen to country music?


I think nowadays the "far left" is anyone who doesn't think poor people should be burned as a clean and abundant energy source.
 
2013-09-28 10:50:19 AM
One side says he's all alone with very few allies, where even Rand Paul and Peter King have given him the Klingon "rite of discommendation".

foothold.webs.com

And then there are tales that Cruz has rallied the once weakened gop into tossing Boehner into a woodchipper and making Cruz Speaker until they can get him elected President of the USA in 2016.


Which is it?????
 
2013-09-28 10:50:50 AM

thornhill: Except it wasn't a filibuster.


Have fun explaining that nuance to a Teabagger.
 
2013-09-28 10:51:26 AM

Yakk: This was about attention whoring not getting senate votes.


Well yeah, but his followers think he's actually doing something.
 
2013-09-28 10:51:30 AM
Moran chairs the National Republican Senatorial Committee, the party's Senate campaign arm, and Portman is vice chairman. Neither is seen as a right-wing ideologue.

It's because they're scared shiatless of a Tea Party primary challenge so they're going along with this meaningless vote in the hope of surveying their next primary cycle.
 
2013-09-28 10:52:07 AM

Muta: thornhill: Except it wasn't a filibuster.

Have fun explaining that nuance to a Teabagger.


It was fillibusteresque.
 
2013-09-28 10:52:26 AM
So Ted is propelled to #1 in the polls .  Sounds like it might have separated him from the pack and worked as desired .
Of course the Big R Republicans want the thing to go through and fall on it's azz as unworkable and too expensive .
But that's the plan to get single payer .
Once in it will need fixes for years to come supplied by a ever growing Federal Burocratcy sucking up even more of the GNP .
Ted is right , fight it now because once in it will eat the private health care so  there is no later .
Like Canada the answer in the end to make it workable will be to outlaw private health care and make it all part of the Government .

Big Corporations want out of the Insurance paying thing that came in during the second World War to attract the few workers left at home and of course as a tool for the Left to control peoples lives  it's great .
So the left wants what Big Business Wants ?  What a change !
 
2013-09-28 10:53:54 AM
this is sorta the end result of any group that uses ideological or religious 'purity' as a bludgeon against their enemies. allies all start looking a little unpure.

it'll only end when the last true conservative kills the last rino. with bootstraps.
 
2013-09-28 10:53:59 AM

Heliovdrake: All I hear from my Ultra Conservative co-workers and relatives is how Ted is a hero for his brave filibuster to stop Obama care...


And the second another scammer who wraps himself in twice as many American flags comes along, they will drop Cruz instantly.All they care about is image, not substance
 
2013-09-28 10:59:46 AM

SVenus: The train wreck that is the Republican Party has at least a couple more election cycles to go.

And then the moderates leave the gop

into doomed political futures as Independents, while the batsh*ts remain and reform themselves as the "American Tea Party of Flags and Crying Eagles", with a new political emblem.

sketchbookclub.com


Where there will be daily calls for the immediate shooting of all poor people wherever they are found (death camps and Zyklon B cost money), women are forced into chastity belts until marriage, the 13th Amendment is abolished, and only the rich are allowed to read & write or to vote, because they're the ones giving the orders.

Oh, and mandatory church services every four hours in order to pray to the giant golden statues of Joe McCarthy and Jesse Helms.
 
2013-09-28 11:00:47 AM

parasol: Plus? He looks like the grown-up version of Damien from "Omen" so I can imagine him in unflattering light. Just getting ready for Halloween, really.


Can you name another politician who was born in one country and then rose to take over the neighboring, much stronger country on a platform of right wing hate and social warfare?
 
2013-09-28 11:01:04 AM

Heliovdrake: All I hear from my Ultra Conservative co-workers and relatives is how Ted is a hero for his brave filibuster to stop Obama care...


Gotta love that "liberal mainstream MSM media" that refuses to acknowledge that this wasn't actually a filibuster.
 
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