If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(KSPR Springfield)   Hysterically screaming at an EMT to save your daughter? That's a pepper spraying and arrest   (kspr.com) divider line 148
    More: Asinine, EMT, Joplin, daughter died  
•       •       •

7470 clicks; posted to Main » on 28 Sep 2013 at 5:57 AM (1 year ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



148 Comments   (+0 »)
   
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | » | Last | Show all
 
2013-09-28 12:19:48 AM  
When police aren't scared they do whatever the fark they want

Nothing will happen to the officer that did this
 
2013-09-28 12:26:55 AM  
The side of the EMT and the officer isn't being told here.  If the father and son were obstructing their efforts, they deserve the charges.  If not, the investigation will reveal that.
 
2013-09-28 12:28:15 AM  
He claims the situation escalated when he says the EMT turned away from Brooke to him to ask what had happened. He says, had the EMT been turned toward Brooke, he would have seen her fall off the gurney.

Seems like "Keeping Unconscious Patients on a Gurney" would be EMT 101.
 
2013-09-28 12:47:30 AM  

fusillade762: He claims the situation escalated when he says the EMT turned away from Brooke to him to ask what had happened. He says, had the EMT been turned toward Brooke, he would have seen her fall off the gurney.

Seems like "Keeping Unconscious Patients on a Gurney" would be EMT 101.


It would be, if Dad didn't have you by the shirt collar.
 
2013-09-28 02:53:13 AM  

fusillade762: Seems like "Keeping Unconscious

dead Patients on a Gurney" would be EMT 101.
 
2013-09-28 03:10:43 AM  

cman: When police aren't scared they do whatever the fark they want

Nothing will happen to the officer that did this


"He says the incident was immediately reviewed and the officer involved has not been reprimanded or corrected in any way."

How convenient.
 
2013-09-28 03:17:16 AM  

mediablitz: "He says the incident was immediately reviewed and the officer involved has not been reprimanded or corrected in any way."

How convenient.


convenient? Just based on this article, and no other evidence, I'd most likely come to the same conclusion. The cop probably didn't do anything wrong.
 
2013-09-28 03:19:29 AM  

log_jammin: mediablitz: "He says the incident was immediately reviewed and the officer involved has not been reprimanded or corrected in any way."

How convenient.

convenient? Just based on this article, and no other evidence, I'd most likely come to the same conclusion. The cop probably didn't do anything wrong.


PROBABLY. It's interesting that they were able to IMMEDIATELY decide that without even questioning the dad and son.

Probably, likely, just based on this article. Well that sounds convincing as well!
 
2013-09-28 03:22:57 AM  
Screaming hysterical people are not likely to help any given situation, and should be tased repeatedly in the scrotal regions until reason prevails.
 
2013-09-28 03:28:27 AM  

mediablitz:  It's interesting that they were able to IMMEDIATELY decide that without even questioning the dad and son.


heh. yes. you need to question everyone before you know there is a disturbance taking place. of course.


you find that interesting. what I find interesting is that the body "just fell" off the gurney. and it was before the police showed up.

so yeah...the guy was "just screaming". uh huh.
 
2013-09-28 03:32:25 AM  
I think cops should be pepper-sprayed and tased once a month just so they remember how it feels. And shot once a year in a non-critical body part. Like the head.
 
2013-09-28 03:38:06 AM  
same guy a few years earlier wrestling with an accused car thief and he managed to not get sprayed or tased.
 
2013-09-28 05:59:28 AM  
I'm sure all those who have such a hatred for police have forever foresworn 911 and police intervention.


/and I bet they farking love the government
//their side, anyhow
 
2013-09-28 05:59:30 AM  
Woooooo! Cop hate thread.
 
2013-09-28 06:08:07 AM  

From a comment on the article: "Why on earth would a prosecutor not dismiss the charges once both sides of the story were fleshed out?"


Because the father could sue if the charges and/or the officers actions were unreasonable. The prosecutor will use the certainty of a ruinously expensive trial and the possibility of a wrongful conviction in an attempt to extort a plea. Duh...

 
2013-09-28 06:08:54 AM  

robohobo: I'm sure all those who have such a hatred for police have forever foresworn 911 and police intervention.


/and I bet they farking love the government
//their side, anyhow


When I need someone to show up in a while and fill out a report, I call the police. They have their uses.
 
2013-09-28 06:09:10 AM  

crab66: Woooooo! Cop hate thread.


Hey, you got in before anyone asked how many dogs they killed.
 
2013-09-28 06:13:10 AM  
Prosecutors offered Russell a deal: plead guilty to assault and take anger management classes, but he says that would be admitting he did something wrong, and he insists all he did was scream.

Was he screaming when they offered the deal?
 
2013-09-28 06:15:15 AM  
EMT's really can't do a very good job when they are being assaulted.

/just sayin.
 
2013-09-28 06:17:22 AM  
Prosecutors offered Russell a deal: plead guilty to assault and take anger management classes, but he says that would be admitting he did something wrong, and he insists all he did was scream.

Guy was offered an easy way out and he didnt take it, but the cop apologist pile on in this thread right from the start.  This guy is farked, his family is farked.  Hell his other kid is going to prison probably along with him.

Once again its pretty obvious.  There is no loving god, there is no karmic balance.  This is just a shiat covered mudball spinning through a chaotic universe of pain and suffering, while we wait for the sweet release of death.

crab66: Woooooo! Cop hate thread.


I suppose it is appropriate for you to cheer and scream when your side will always win.
 
2013-09-28 06:18:14 AM  
The family found Brooke in a park near their house, unconscious from a single gunshot wound to the head.

EMT's also cannot put grey matter back together inside a skull when it has been turned into giblets by a hollow point round or buckshot.
 
2013-09-28 06:18:29 AM  
You mean a cop had a reason to pepper spray someone this time?  What a world we live in!
 
2013-09-28 06:22:12 AM  

robohobo: I'm sure all those who have such a hatred for police have forever foresworn 911 and police intervention.


/and I bet they farking love the government
//their side, anyhow


Do you spend a lot of time imagining what the "bad people" think?
That's unwholesome thinking, you know.
 
2013-09-28 06:24:43 AM  

mediablitz: log_jammin: mediablitz: "He says the incident was immediately reviewed and the officer involved has not been reprimanded or corrected in any way."

How convenient.

convenient? Just based on this article, and no other evidence, I'd most likely come to the same conclusion. The cop probably didn't do anything wrong.

PROBABLY. It's interesting that they were able to IMMEDIATELY decide that without even questioning the dad and son.

Probably, likely, just based on this article. Well that sounds convincing as well!


Oh, I bet you'd be fun at the IPCC...
 
2013-09-28 06:25:17 AM  

orclover: Hell his other kid is going to prison probably along with him.


how did you come to that conclusion?
 
2013-09-28 06:33:07 AM  

orclover: Prosecutors offered Russell a deal: plead guilty to assault and take anger management classes, but he says that would be admitting he did something wrong, and he insists all he did was scream.

Guy was offered an easy way out and he didnt take it, but the cop apologist pile on in this thread right from the start.  This guy is farked, his family is farked.  Hell his other kid is going to prison probably along with him.

Once again its pretty obvious.  There is no loving god, there is no karmic balance.  This is just a shiat covered mudball spinning through a chaotic universe of pain and suffering, while we wait for the sweet release of death.

crab66: Woooooo! Cop hate thread.

I suppose it is appropriate for you to cheer and scream when your side will always win.


Are you available for children's parties?
 
2013-09-28 06:33:16 AM  

IlGreven: Oh, I bet you'd be fun at the IPCC...


The daughter shot herself in the head with a gun. There is no possible way she was aware of the universe even existing milliseconds after pulling that trigger. She was dead when the family found her She was dead when EMT's arrived, she was dead when the family assaulted the EMT, she was dead when she fell off the gurney.

Sit the fark down and let emergency workers do their job.

/she was probably molested by her father or brother anyways leading to the suicide to begin with.
//Life is horrible. welcome to it.
 
2013-09-28 06:37:39 AM  
There isn't enough independent information in this crappy excuse for an article to form any kind of opinion except that the author is a lazy coont.
 
2013-09-28 06:43:34 AM  
It would have been so much classier if the EMTs pulled the girl by her hair and dragged her to the curb.
 
2013-09-28 06:45:14 AM  

red5ish: There isn't enough independent information in this crappy excuse for an article to form any kind of opinion except that the author is a lazy coont.


It's not that the writer is necessarily lazy, it's just that without a police report there is only his side to go on, and apart for "we put her in the ambulance...then backed away" he doesn't give any real details.

My son and I placed my daughter in the ambulance and backed away.

we ran her over to the parked ambulance. We put her on the gurney that was halfway out of the ambulance, and I screamed that my daughter had shot herself
...
At this point, I backed away because I thought they would put her in the ambulance and drive away


My feeling is that he did not "back away" as he says he did.
 
2013-09-28 06:59:19 AM  
 

fluffy2097: IlGreven: Oh, I bet you'd be fun at the IPCC...

The daughter shot herself in the head with a gun. There is no possible way she was aware of the universe even existing milliseconds after pulling that trigger. She was dead when the family found her She was dead when EMT's arrived, she was dead when the family assaulted the EMT, she was dead when she fell off the gurney.

Sit the fark down and let emergency workers do their job.

/she was probably molested by her father or brother anyways leading to the suicide to begin with.
//Life is horrible. welcome to it.


And so, since she was dead, they pepper-sprayed a grieving hysterical father  - for what? Interfering with their treatment of a dead girl? Nothing else would have sufficed, huh? No sympathy for the guy? No hugs, two guys don't just grab him and neutralize him, nothing would do except a pepper spraying? Well, I guess it's better than the lethal beatings cops hand out sometimes for people screaming, or looking at them wrong.
 
2013-09-28 06:59:21 AM  
Guy's lucky he's white. If he were black the pigs would have massacred the whole family, and their pitbull.
 
2013-09-28 06:59:48 AM  
I was an EMT for 6 years...and I have been in a similar situation...gsw to the head...when you show up to a scene like that you just know there isn't anything you can do. Its very sad for us responding because we know its a lost cause 99% of the time.
You see the horror and shock in the families eyes....the hope and desperation you are going to make her ok, and you feel that pit in your stomach in knowing its not going to end that way. But you fall on your experience and training and do what you can.
However...the families are the biggest obstruction. They are scared and hysterical and sometimes do scream at you to do something. And in this state they do exactly everything you expect a greiving human to do....and get right in the way and impede the people trying to help.
Its always a huge clusterfark of emotion.
I imagine the EMT tried to get them out of the way and did what they could.
 
2013-09-28 07:07:24 AM  

cman: When police aren't scared they do whatever the fark they want

Nothing will happen to the officer that did this


Anyone who interferes with any government employee ought to be punished to the fullest extent of the law, and the penalty should be harsh. Our civil servants should be beyond reproach. There's no need for an investigation. If the EMT and officer say it happened like that, well, that's what happened. End of story. Nothing to see here. Move along.
 
2013-09-28 07:10:51 AM  

fluffy2097: /she was probably molested by her father or brother anyways leading to the suicide to begin with.
//Life is horrible. welcome to it.


log_jammin: My feeling is that he did not "back away" as he says he did.


farkers always know exactly how any how any incident occured...too bad they aren't rolling in money since they are prescient
 
2013-09-28 07:12:24 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: I think cops should be pepper-sprayed and tased once a month just so they remember how it feels. And shot once a year in a non-critical body part. Like the head.


There is a thought, if a cop pepper sprays someone he gets taken out behind the station and pepper sprayed. Just to make sure that cop has the right priorities.

Either way the idea pepper spray is an alternative to a gun is a lie.  The reality is it's an alternative to a night stick or a good talking to, depending on the cop and who his police chief is.

My gut says, 80% chance cops filed charges because they used excessive force and they know it. Lot of places they'd would have been taken down to the station, their eyes washed out, booted out to the curb, and the arrest wouldn't make it into the computer.
 
2013-09-28 07:23:24 AM  

cajunns: fluffy2097: /she was probably molested by her father or brother anyways leading to the suicide to begin with.
//Life is horrible. welcome to it.

log_jammin: My feeling is that he did not "back away" as he says he did.

farkers always know exactly how any how any incident occured...too bad they aren't rolling in money since they are prescient


I never said I knew what I happened. I said "My feeling is". can you read?
 
2013-09-28 07:24:52 AM  

ghare: And so, since she was dead, they pepper-sprayed a grieving hysterical father - for what? Interfering with their treatment of a dead girl? Nothing else would have sufficed, huh? No sympathy for the guy? No hugs, two guys don't just grab him and neutralize him, nothing would do except a pepper spraying? Well, I guess it's better than the lethal beatings cops hand out sometimes for people screaming, or looking at them wrong.


You've never dealt with a hysterical person who want's to kill an EMT because their daughter is dead and there is nothing the EMT can do.

/grief is like PCP. People get hard to stop on it.
 
2013-09-28 07:25:46 AM  

gibbon1: Lot of places they'd would have been taken down to the station, their eyes washed out, booted out to the curb, and the arrest wouldn't make it into the computer.


I get the feeling this is what should have happened...even if he was interfering, the guy was looking at his dead daughter, and lost his mind temporarily. No need for an actual arrest.

However, the arrest was probably a CYA move to protect against the guy suing later on, saying "I wasn't doing anything wrong, they obviously didn't arrest me or anything, so gimme a million dollars".
 
2013-09-28 07:30:25 AM  
Anyone who reads this article and comes away thinking they have enough information to form a strong opinion about what probably happened is a moron.
 
2013-09-28 07:31:07 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: please point to the place in the article where it says he touched anyone. thanks.


the part were he says he was arrested for assault.
 
2013-09-28 07:34:10 AM  
They found her in a park, so what about the firearm that she used?  EMTs don't just accept bodies with gunshot wounds then turn around and rush to the hospital, they do need to know something about what happened.   Impeding an EMT in the line of duty, especially in a threatening manner is a felony.

Basically, the EMTs and cops are concerned about the person who has been shot, but especially the cops aren't going to just blindly accept the story that she shot herself. So two hysterical men dump a girl with a gunshot wound to the head on a cot, yeah, precautions are going to be taken, and it's likely that when the PD does finally release its official side of events, it'll include acting in the interest of the safety of the EMTs and officers on scene.  Maybe the fate of the gun will also be disclosed.

/grabs some popcorn
 
2013-09-28 07:35:49 AM  

log_jammin: HindiDiscoMonster: please point to the place in the article where it says he touched anyone. thanks.

the part were he says he was arrested for assault.


Once physical contact is made, it's considered battery.
 
2013-09-28 07:38:34 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: The side of the EMT and the officer isn't being told here.  If the father and son were obstructing their efforts, they deserve the charges.  If not, the investigation will reveal that.


unamused: fusillade762: He claims the situation escalated when he says the EMT turned away from Brooke to him to ask what had happened. He says, had the EMT been turned toward Brooke, he would have seen her fall off the gurney.

Seems like "Keeping Unconscious Patients on a Gurney" would be EMT 101.

It would be, if Dad didn't have you by the shirt collar.


From how little the article goes into detail regarding the police/EMT side of the story I will withhold my outrage.

Sounds to me that IF there had been a chance to save the girl, the Father and Son screwed it up with their hysterics.
 
2013-09-28 07:42:17 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: aaaah, so your supposition is that police are always honest and never fudge the facts... good luck with that.


Not at all.

But your supposition seems to be that persons accused of a crime are always honest and never fudge the facts.

Semantic Warrior: Once physical contact is made, it's considered battery.


in my state assault is "Assault is intentionally placing another person in reasonable apprehension of immediate bodily harm."

they don't have to drop one charge for the other.
 
2013-09-28 07:43:03 AM  

log_jammin: HindiDiscoMonster: please point to the place in the article where it says he touched anyone. thanks.

the part were he says he was arrested for assault.


assault doesn't always mean touched. that's battery. in the missouri statute it also includes " attempted to" in the actual assault definition.
 
2013-09-28 07:45:22 AM  

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: assault doesn't always mean touched. that's battery. in the missouri statute it also includes " attempted to" in the actual assault definition.


I understand this.
 
2013-09-28 07:59:01 AM  
Well I hope their dead daughter is happy. Not only did she kill herself, but she also got her father and brother arrested. Selfish biatch.
 
2013-09-28 08:00:04 AM  
 
"What I'll tell you is that the conduct that's alleged is directly contradictory to our values, our mission statement, our code of ethics," the chief said.


And therein lies the problem, you fark.
Of course a cop acting like an asshole is contradictory to what he is *supposed* to be doing. Sure doesn't stop it from happening though.
 
2013-09-28 08:10:03 AM  
Say it with me boys & girls:


jury nullification
 
Displayed 50 of 148 comments

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | » | Last | Show all

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »
On Twitter





In Other Media


  1. Links are submitted by members of the Fark community.

  2. When community members submit a link, they also write a custom headline for the story.

  3. Other Farkers comment on the links. This is the number of comments. Click here to read them.

  4. Click here to submit a link.

Report