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(ABC)   Inconvenient: 737 pilot suffers in-flight heart attack that ultimately proves fatal. Convenient: co-pilot gets help landing from a passenger who just happens to train 737 pilots for a living   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 25
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2013-09-28 04:41:39 AM  
2 votes:

HisBoyLeroy: Doesn't look like they used the AED which should have been available. CPR is great, but getting your heart zapped will increase your survival by a whole bunch more.


 Contrary to what you might learn by watching ER and House while staying at a Holiday Inn Express, you can't just willy-nilly try to jumpstart a patient if they don't have a pulse.  That's why the AED only fires if it detects a rhythm it can countershock against (ventricular tachycardia or ventricular fibrillation).  Otherwise it'll just tell you to continue CPR.
2013-09-28 03:13:51 AM  
2 votes:
The article linked in the story mentions a passenger who was on board helping the copilot. http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Seattle-bound-flight-lands-in-Bois e -after-pilot-suffers-heart-attack-225453132.html
2013-09-28 12:30:30 AM  
2 votes:

dbirchall: My wife said it seems like there's always one passenger on the plane who's a pilot and can help fly.

I suggested that yeah, people in the industry fly for cheap or free, so it's not uncommon for them to be taking a flight to work or whatever.

She didn't accept that answer, and thinks it's deliberate, kind of like the Federal Air Marshals, and that they actually plan it so every flight has a pilot aboard as a passenger.  Yay, I married a conspiracy theorist. :)


There IS always a passenger who's a pilot and land the plane... they call him the co-pilot. I don't know how much things have changed in the industry over the past decade or so, but it used to be that the co-pilots, once they got enough seniority to fly the good routes, would take a pass on the promotion to 'full' pilot because that would mean going back to commuter runs and other puddle jumping crap.
2013-09-28 12:26:37 AM  
2 votes:
My wife said it seems like there's always one passenger on the plane who's a pilot and can help fly.

I suggested that yeah, people in the industry fly for cheap or free, so it's not uncommon for them to be taking a flight to work or whatever.

She didn't accept that answer, and thinks it's deliberate, kind of like the Federal Air Marshals, and that they actually plan it so every flight has a pilot aboard as a passenger.  Yay, I married a conspiracy theorist. :)
2013-09-28 10:25:32 AM  
1 votes:

PainfulItching: And to clarify:Captain=First Officer=Pilot. Same designation. The man who has final word on the plane leaving the gate and pointing it skyward.Co-captain=second officer=copilot. Is capable of making the same calls as the captain, may not have enough seniority to sit in the chair, but is fully capable to operate the aircraft in nearly any condition


Nope. Captain /= First Officer. What you call the Co-pilot is the First Officer. Second Officer is the term that applies to the third guy in the cockpit who used to monitor the engines and such. He got replaced by a computer in new designs about 1980.

Nobody ever refers to the captain as "the pilot" because the plane has two pilots. One of the pilots is the captain, the other is the FO.
2013-09-28 09:59:29 AM  
1 votes:
Pilot shouldnt have had the fish.
2013-09-28 09:20:54 AM  
1 votes:

melopene: they call him the co-pilot


Actual  they call him the "pilot not flying" because pilots alternate flying each leg. I know folks love to think the copilot is a half level above student pilot but when I was flying it wasn't uncommon to have more experience than some of the captains I flew with.
2013-09-28 08:59:24 AM  
1 votes:

GungFu: Erm , why didn't the passenger who trains 737 pilots for a living just fly the farking plane? Instead, he 'helps' the co-pilot?

What? Is he Jewish and it was a Sunday or some shiat? He could verbally assist but couldn't touch the controls? He had no arms or legs?

Headline makes no sense.


Co-pilot was in charge of the ship when the pilot went down. FAA regs. That's the assignments. Had the co-pilot asked for him (the instructor) to take over, no doubt he would have. Some people work in strange ways. Some are complete professionals. When he landed, he probably went straight to the bar, but he got everyone on the ground safe. He did his job. I think under the situation, major kudos all around to all involved, from the instructor to didn't go John Wayne when he realized the co-pilot was in control, so he took over the job of second, the the FA's who kept the passengers calm. And from all reports, the medical personnel who were passengers on board were doing their level best, and could not be faulted in any way.

A rotten situation, but could have been so much worse. There was an extra pilot and medical personnel on board. You can't ask for more at 37.000 feet..
2013-09-28 08:54:00 AM  
1 votes:
Obviously the first officer *could* land alone, but especially after the captain bought the farm I'm not surprised that another pilot's services were much appreciated.  Planes are complicated, and the FO had to be stressed out given the circumstances.  It's safer and more comfortable for everyone if there are two pilots on the flight deck, especially with the navigation and communication tasks associated with an emergency landing.

I recall reading that the FAA once ran the numbers and the probability is fairly good that at least one passenger on a given flight is a commercial pilot - and in fact, that he or she probably has the correct type rating to fly either the same plane or very similar for a living.  This would be especially likely with the Boeing 737, which is the most popular airline plane ever.
2013-09-28 03:41:43 AM  
1 votes:
They had to get him to a Hospital...
2013-09-28 03:34:06 AM  
1 votes:
I'm guessing that subby read the detail about the pilot trainer in some other article and attempted to submit that. When it was refused as a previously submitted (and not listed) article, he just went and Googled the flight number and submitted the first article that turned up instead without even reading it.

As for the admin who approved it, I dunno... Blame it on the bourbon, maybe?
2013-09-28 03:19:26 AM  
1 votes:
Hero tag for what exactly?
2013-09-28 02:52:40 AM  
1 votes:
Not suprised, my pilot brother uses staff travel as a passenger all the time, even for day trips to visit friends in other cities. There's definitely not going to be a "spare" pilot on every flight, not by a long shot, but there's decent odds.

That said, it's a lucky fact that no non-pilot in the history of air travel has ever needed to take over and land the plane because both pilots had passed out or whatever. So good odds that it'll never happen to you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giixQm2A9Xw
2013-09-28 02:49:22 AM  
1 votes:
Did we read the same article subby?  There was no mention of a passenger who helped land the plane. They asked is anyone was a physician, which if you didn't know is a doctor, not a person who trains 737 pilots, if that's your mistake. But other then that they barely mentioned the passengers other then in statics.

/I even watched the video, still nothing about a passenger flying
//Also a copilot is fully capable of landing by themselves unless the weather conditions are fierce
///not to mention most modern aircraft are computerized to the point where they can land themselves.
2013-09-28 02:46:14 AM  
1 votes:

dbirchall: My wife said it seems like there's always one passenger on the plane who's a pilot and can help fly.

I suggested that yeah, people in the industry fly for cheap or free, so it's not uncommon for them to be taking a flight to work or whatever.

She didn't accept that answer, and thinks it's deliberate, kind of like the Federal Air Marshals, and that they actually plan it so every flight has a pilot aboard as a passenger.  Yay, I married a conspiracy theorist. :)


Your wife is nuts. Between jump-seaters going back & forth to their hubs, dead-heading back home after work, taking cheap flights on vacation, and otherwise doing all the traveling that pilots get to do that us hoipolloi don't, it would be stranger to find a flight that DIDN'T have a few spare pilots onboard than one that did.

My sister the former pilot often said the hardest thing about no longer being a pilot was having to wean herself off all the cheap air travel she used to get.
2013-09-28 02:41:12 AM  
1 votes:

The Southern Dandy: Um....why would a co-pilot need help landing the plane?  That's kinda disturbing.


Not really. The 'substitute' pilot most likely worked the radios while the first officer (Co-pilot) actually flew the plane. Working the radios is really basic stuff.
2013-09-28 02:38:35 AM  
1 votes:

MisterTweak: Linked source in TFA mentions the pilot was 63 years old... I stopped paying attention a while ago, but I thought the FAA limited ATP's to 60 years, did that change, or is my memory just crappy?


It changed to 65 a little over 5 years ago.

Glenn Harmon, an aerospace physiologist who was an airline pilot for nine years before becoming a professor at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University, said allcommercial airline pilots undergo a medical screening every six months to keep their certification with the FAA.

False. Its only all commercial pilots over 40 who go every 6 months. Under 40 is once/year. Glenn is a couple years behind the curve. Aviation Professors are the same as professors in most other industries. They know how it works on paper... (Most, but, not all of them).

/hit 40 before my next medical
//i'm officially old
2013-09-28 02:30:05 AM  
1 votes:
Um....why would a co-pilot need help landing the plane?  That's kinda disturbing.
2013-09-28 02:25:45 AM  
1 votes:
Linked source in TFA mentions the pilot was 63 years old... I stopped paying attention a while ago, but I thought the FAA limited ATP's to 60 years, did that change, or is my memory just crappy?
2013-09-28 02:21:17 AM  
1 votes:

bluorangefyre: Striker?  Striker, Striker, Striker, STRIKER!


[shrugs and punches out nearest secretary]
2013-09-28 02:21:13 AM  
1 votes:
Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue...
2013-09-28 01:45:05 AM  
1 votes:
Striker?  Striker, Striker, Striker, STRIKER!
2013-09-28 01:21:40 AM  
1 votes:

costermonger: melopene: There IS always a passenger who's a pilot and land the plane... they call him the co-pilot. I don't know how much things have changed in the industry over the past decade or so, but it used to be that the co-pilots, once they got enough seniority to fly the good routes, would take a pass on the promotion to 'full' pilot because that would mean going back to commuter runs and other puddle jumping crap.

This kind of stuff is why you don't hear "co-pilot" much in the industry; implies that the other guy is the pilot. There are two 'full' pilots sitting up there, but one of them is in charge.


Yeah, and it's not as if it's a cakewalk to get your commercial license and the associated ratings, either. My dad is a retired IA and CFI - I don't know that he ever actually taught anyone, but I do know that he went through the hoops to get as many ratings as he could. Sadly, he just stopped flying not long after getting the CFI and traded his share in the twin commanche in for a boat... I really do miss having access to a private plane. I never had to fly on commercial airlines until I was in college and if the cost weren't so prohibitive for me right now to get a plane (or a share in one), not to mention my utter fear of having to land a plane, I'd probably go and get my license as well - especially since I travel a decent amount for work nowadays.
2013-09-28 12:56:46 AM  
1 votes:

melopene: There IS always a passenger who's a pilot and land the plane... they call him the co-pilot. I don't know how much things have changed in the industry over the past decade or so, but it used to be that the co-pilots, once they got enough seniority to fly the good routes, would take a pass on the promotion to 'full' pilot because that would mean going back to commuter runs and other puddle jumping crap.


This kind of stuff is why you don't hear "co-pilot" much in the industry; implies that the other guy is the pilot. There are two 'full' pilots sitting up there, but one of them is in charge.
2013-09-27 10:51:34 PM  
1 votes:
Good luck, we're all counting on you.
 
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