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2013-09-27 09:43:37 PM
3 votes:
Keep believing that giving these kids iPads and laptops will somehow turn them into techno-savvy geniuses.   It actually meant something in 1987 when a kid knew how to use a computer.  They were devices of production that had a steep learning curve, specialized skills knowledge, and basic understanding of the underlying technology.  Today, most people are using these devices for consumption purposes and a grandma can learn to use it in a day.  No understanding of the underlying technology is required to use it.    Folks, there are certain things that need to be learned in tangible, physical ways if one wants to understand inner-workings and inter-relationships.    You know, just because we can do something doesn't mean we should, and more is not better.   The fact that most kids latch strongly onto these learning tools is something we should question rather than accept as proof of legitimacy.  Even if the intended lesson is learned more quickly, what underlying lessons are lost by removing the physical environment including books, pencils, paper.
2013-09-27 09:22:13 PM
3 votes:
OMG! Unapproved, unauthorized use of curiosity/intelligence by students to solve problems? THANK GAWD that these administrators were able to discover this in time to thoroughly stamp out that type of behavior.
2013-09-27 08:10:42 PM
3 votes:
What a bunch of dumbasses at the school district.
2013-09-27 07:57:06 PM
3 votes:
All they had to do was delete their personal profile. That's hardly a hack.
2013-09-28 12:35:25 AM
2 votes:

Benevolent Misanthrope: What a bunch of dumbasses at the school district.


This.

Hi there-- I'm the network administrator for a school district. I didn't read the article, but I don't need to. A neighboring school district caved in to teachers screaming for iPads for the students. It's been two years and they're pulling them back and starting from scratch. Why? Because they don't know how to use them properly, they don't know how to manage them, and student grades over the two year span, overall, have dropped. Apple was using them as a model district but, well, they kinda don't talk about them any longer. It's not Apple's fault, though. But hey-- it certainly doesn't help them sell, right? (I like Apple for the most part... that's not the issue here).

We love to provide new technology to our faculty and students. But we like to do two things before we do it. First, we ask "why?"  If we don't get a good answer, we don't do it. Ask any teacher screaming for an iPad  "why" and you'll get a blank stare. Maybe they'll say something along the lines of "B..b..b..but TECHNOLOGY in the classroom!"  It's all horseshiat. But if they do give us a sound reason they want something (Google Apps for Education is a good example) we'll jump to it. The second this we do is make sure the infrastructure, security, and management is in place before anyone gets anything. The district wants BYOD to start as soon as possible. So this past summer we got all the budget money we could and we outfitted the entire district with a high-end, centrally-controlled wireless network with separate student and staff networks.

The real issue is competent folks are hard to come by when working in a municipality. A different neighboring town came to meet with us to see how we run our department because they have a total mess on their hands right now. The town IT department and the school IT department are two unique groups. The town IT director owns all the switches used at the schools because the town's WAN goes through them as well. So he has locked the school's IT group out of the switches and BILLS their department if he has to upgrade the firmware or make a settings change. Think about how ridiculous that is.

Bottom line? It's  a mess in here. We run a tight ship, but the people at the helm (Superintendent, Teacher's Union) do everything they can to steer us into the rocks simply because they don't know what they're doing when it comes to technology, and they insist that they're the ones with the final say on how the money gets spent. It is FAR, far worse than the corporate world, which I am going back to very shortly. It has its drawbacks too, I know, but salary ain't one of them.
2013-09-28 12:20:38 AM
2 votes:

OgreMagi: Saul T. Balzac: Fade2black: 80% of teachers are usually left-leaning liberals.

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In higher education, that claim is pretty much true.  http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2012/10/24/survey-finds-professors - already-liberal-have-moved-further-left


Sounds about right. Spend 30+ years accusing a profession of being liberal, attack their unions, slash funding, push them to teach Creationism, monitor their curriculum for 'bias', refer to students pursuing higher education as "snobs", second guess climate science, and throw a raging fit whenever a holiday is renamed something all-inclusive... and the members just might crystallize their political opposition to a party.

Seems like a bad idea to make enemies with the people whom next generation's voter base are required by law to listen to for thirty hours per week. Of course it's only a theory -- if it were true the Republicans would be facing some kind of electoral losing streak....

As for school iPads, LAUSD got them for the same reason any parent with toddlers buys one: to shut that little monster up so you can enjoy your alone time. Nevermind next year half will have cracked screens and graffiti carved in the back.
2013-09-27 11:45:27 PM
2 votes:
saturn badger - I see your post and call. Lay down your cards.

I dunno about a citation, but at the school where I worked, they always gave the 8 graders (the seniors of this K-8 school) laptops. This particular year (after the advent of Myspace and Facebook), several of them started talking about how this one boy was a flaming f****t and so on, because he was a champion figure skater. When his parents (both attorneys) found out, they blamed...... THE SCHOOL! Because we were supposed to be able to control what the kids did with them while they were at home. As I understand it, the lawsuit is still on the table two years later.

So yeah, you can be held liable for stuff the kids do on anything the school gives them to use... even when they are nowhere near the darn school...
2013-09-27 09:59:39 PM
2 votes:

baorao: Having deployed enterprise ipads I am not surprised. Apple will let third party mdm solutions *monitor* a lot, but they wont let you *block* jack shiat.


Yup.  What Apple MDM vendors say they can do: "We can make sure users are only using the specific applications you want them to!" What Apple MDM vendors actually mean: "We will let users download and use whatever they want, but we'll send them a mean message and threaten to wipe their phones if they don't remove the offending applications within four hours!" Yeah, thanks guys.  That's some tight securitah.
2013-09-27 09:20:58 PM
2 votes:
This is insane. When I was in school they didn't even give us pens or paper. We had to get our own, and our parents had to pay out of pocket for it.

Other class-required things we paid for:

Uniforms
Swimsuits
Calculators
Padlocks
Lab Kits
Typing Paper
Correction Fluid
Pencils

And yet kids today get free iPads, and they take them for granted enough to fark with them.

Ungrateful little snots.
2013-09-27 08:47:45 PM
2 votes:
A high school friend of mine made counterfeit hall passes. The only difference is that he used apostrophes correctly where the original did not.
2013-09-27 08:31:54 PM
2 votes:
On one side you have a handful of overworked, underpaid, inexperienced techies setting the security on these things.

On the other side you every teenage boy in Los Angeles wanting porn.

Guess who will always win?

Hell, I'm extremely experienced and highly confident of my skills.  I don't think I would win this little war.
2013-09-27 08:29:29 PM
2 votes:
Pretty ingenious idea.  All joking aside, many argue that indoctrination starts in the schools...80% of teachers are usually left-leaning liberals, and they preach that in some form or another to their students.  Now I'm not trying to start a flamewar, but I bring up my primary point:  Very smart of Apple to get them going on ipads so early.  It brainwashes them into wanting those in the future, as opposed to the myriad of other options out there.  Clever!

/not a fanboi, but I do have an iphone.
//just an observation
2013-09-27 08:28:16 PM
2 votes:

Big Merl: What took them so long?


Must be an exceptionally dumb class. Either that or it took a week for the teachers to notice.
2013-09-27 08:28:13 PM
2 votes:
Having deployed enterprise ipads I am not surprised. Apple will let third party mdm solutions *monitor* a lot, but they wont let you *block* jack shiat.
2013-09-27 08:18:40 PM
2 votes:
What took them so long?
2013-09-27 08:12:57 PM
2 votes:
One of my eighth-graders got me past the school's firewall when I needed to check my Facebook messages. God bless those kids. Then he says, "Hey Mr. ecmoRandomNumbers, can I check mine when you're done?"

"Sure."
2013-09-27 11:57:55 PM
1 votes:
As someone who supports software on the iPad for LAUSD I'm getting a kick...

/fark you iPad for making me learn to live with Puffin.
2013-09-27 11:52:03 PM
1 votes:
80% of teachers are usually left-leaning liberals


95% of idiotic statements are usually written by right-leaning right-whingers.
2013-09-27 11:42:30 PM
1 votes:

James10952001: I hacked the school Macs back in highschool. This was back in the 90s so security was a joke. I knew more about the computers than the "expert" teachers who administered them. Anyone else remember Foolproof on the System 7 Macs? Boot floppy would bypass it completely, or load ResEdit and delete the Foolproof extension.


They had Foolproof on the Windows machines we used, and that kind of shiat worked for a while until they wised up to it. Nothing a little format and reinstall wouldn't fix tho
2013-09-27 11:27:45 PM
1 votes:

sheep snorter: FTA: The students are getting around software that lets school district officials know where the iPads are, and what the students are doing with them at all times.

So when is the FBI gonna check out all the nude pics of students, just like in Pennsylvania.

http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Security/School-District-Settles-Webcam-Spy in g-Litigation-802291/

/Chicken shiat FBI didn't want to set precedence so they walked away.


Which is why the first day my step-daughter brought home her school-issued laptop, I disabled all remote access and disabled the webcam, and hooked it up to my desktop to look for back-door and spyware programs.
2013-09-27 11:05:40 PM
1 votes:

Saul T. Balzac: Fade2black: 80% of teachers are usually left-leaning liberals.

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In higher education, that claim is pretty much true.  http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2012/10/24/survey-finds-professors - already-liberal-have-moved-further-left

From what I've read on the politics of elementary school teachers, their politics closely matches the general population, so the above claim is not true for them.
2013-09-27 10:32:56 PM
1 votes:

skullkrusher: TuteTibiImperes: What's the big deal how they use them at home?  Trying to block sites on the device level seems like a misguided approach.  Just set up the WiFi connection at school to block the unwanted sites so that the kids can't play around in class, and let them use them for whatever reason at home.

maybe next year's students won't appreciate the previous years' students' splooge making the home button stick?


(iPads don't have buttons)
2013-09-27 10:22:30 PM
1 votes:

PrYgMMa: That's why when I was a network admin in a 9-12 charter school, I managed all filtering on the network level. All traffic was routed through a proxy via pfSense. There was MAC based authentication to allow or disallow access to any port or address. If it was on the white list it was allowed; if was disallowed they'd see a picture of  "billie the manatee" and the word 'PWN'D'.

God, they hated me... but my network was always up and the kids never saw a minute of porn. They'd say stuff like "Can't you just turn Facebook on for a little while, in the morning or at lunch?" or "All of my friends use SSL proxies, why don't those work here?"...



Right?  There are apparently three people on the entire planet that know how to filter and protect a network.  It's rediculous.
2013-09-27 10:15:11 PM
1 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: What's the big deal how they use them at home?  Trying to block sites on the device level seems like a misguided approach.  Just set up the WiFi connection at school to block the unwanted sites so that the kids can't play around in class, and let them use them for whatever reason at home.


Because if you give someone a device and they use it to do something bad like distribution of child porn, you are liable.
2013-09-27 10:12:39 PM
1 votes:
In the MacLCIII lab in my school, i was able to get around the "always-on-top" software screen and get into the real OS and play SimCity by simply rebooting and holding down the safe-mode keys or whatever and turing off that interface package, then boot back into the main OS.

The teacher asked me to teach him how to do it.
2013-09-27 09:54:23 PM
1 votes:

Tom_Slick: Fade2black: Very smart of Apple to get them going on ipads so early. It brainwashes them into wanting those in the future, as opposed to the myriad of other options out there.

Apple's been doing this for years in the mid-90s I could buy an apple desktop loaded with all kinds of great software through my college bookstore for less than the software would cost for a Windows machine.


Yeah. We had nothing but Apple 2Es in my high school computer lab and that was 1985.
2013-09-27 09:34:12 PM
1 votes:
That's why when I was a network admin in a 9-12 charter school, I managed all filtering on the network level. All traffic was routed through a proxy via pfSense. There was MAC based authentication to allow or disallow access to any port or address. If it was on the white list it was allowed; if was disallowed they'd see a picture of  "billie the manatee" and the word 'PWN'D'.

God, they hated me... but my network was always up and the kids never saw a minute of porn. They'd say stuff like "Can't you just turn Facebook on for a little while, in the morning or at lunch?" or "All of my friends use SSL proxies, why don't those work here?"...
2013-09-27 09:13:54 PM
1 votes:

sheep snorter: FTA: The students are getting around software that lets school district officials know where the iPads are, and what the students are doing with them at all times.

So when is the FBI gonna check out all the nude pics of students, just like in Pennsylvania.

http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Security/School-District-Settles-Webcam-Spy in g-Litigation-802291/

/Chicken shiat FBI didn't want to set precedence so they walked away.


I don't recall that being the FBI so much as Some Administrator, but regardless, you had video cameras always on accessible by someone else, what did you think was going to happen?!

I'd be hacking these iPads to turn off the tracking "features" ASAP, too. Good job, kids. Too bad you did it so you can access Facebook, though, way to stick it to the man there.... >.<
2013-09-27 09:07:42 PM
1 votes:
Our high school locked us out of out own school's website for the entire first week of spring semester.
2013-09-27 09:06:28 PM
1 votes:

Aristocles: Los Angeles Unified School District started issuing iPads to its students this school year, as part of a $30 million deal with Apple

Money well spent, CA. Money, well spent.


That is just phase 1. As it says in the article the LAUSD student population is huge and would be more than a lot of major cities.


Although I think it is way too early too judge.
2013-09-27 08:57:40 PM
1 votes:
Far more impressed by the kids in Africa who were messing with Android within 5 months of their first exposure with a computer:


http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/11/01/kids_learn_hacking_android/
2013-09-27 08:55:44 PM
1 votes:
Put Untangle or something on the gateway and by default it blocks porn sites.  Blocks a ton of crap, actually.  Put in the AUP that if they bring a mobile hotspot to bypass it, 3 day suspension.

Problem solved.
2013-09-27 08:49:04 PM
1 votes:
i18.photobucket.com
2013-09-27 08:44:46 PM
1 votes:
Should have used Surfaces. Not only is the EFI really locked down (because I have heard no stories of anyone dual booting them with Android), but there aren't that many unapproved apps to worry about.
2013-09-27 08:42:25 PM
1 votes:
My school district had a Novell network of dubious quality. I discovered that you could use Qbasic to drop down to a command prompt that allowed me to access all the files after dir / r command. I could see the files all the teachers had, but I couldn't modify them. I then discovered I could access printer across the whole school district. There was a panic when random printers would go mad, since I was feeding them random ASCII commands from something I'd made that looked like a screen saver that I'd run while at lunch. Remember, there's line feed and beep commands in there.

I didn't get verification until the next year when I was talking about the exploit amongst students from the other high school.
2013-09-27 08:34:47 PM
1 votes:
I wonder who will be responsible if they are lost or stolen? They are going to have bigger problem.
2013-09-27 08:31:48 PM
1 votes:

Fade2black: Very smart of Apple to get them going on ipads so early. It brainwashes them into wanting those in the future, as opposed to the myriad of other options out there.


Apple's been doing this for years in the mid-90s I could buy an apple desktop loaded with all kinds of great software through my college bookstore for less than the software would cost for a Windows machine.
2013-09-27 08:31:34 PM
1 votes:
The system needs to have a full OS that is locked out if they want full control of how the device is used. If it's software locked, someone will crack it
2013-09-27 08:30:47 PM
1 votes:
My school had the network nanny on the computers in the library. 7th grade year, I figured out how to turn it off (logging into safe mode and uninstalling it worked too). My reason: Neopets. I wanted to play games during lunch.
2013-09-27 08:25:21 PM
1 votes:
FTA: The students are getting around software that lets school district officials know where the iPads are, and what the students are doing with them at all times.

So when is the FBI gonna check out all the nude pics of students, just like in Pennsylvania.

http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Security/School-District-Settles-Webcam-Spy in g-Litigation-802291/

/Chicken shiat FBI didn't want to set precedence so they walked away.
2013-09-27 08:21:56 PM
1 votes:
"They told me Friday, 'I would do it for you because you're my friend,' " she says. "They told me that!"
If you weren't a friend, the hack would cost $2


$2.00 really, I bet they could easily charge $5, fire that school's Economics teacher.
2013-09-27 08:19:29 PM
1 votes:
Who says you can't learn nothing in school?
 
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