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(NPR)   Students hack into school-issued iPads and start accessing not-educational programs and websites within a week   (npr.org) divider line 150
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2013-09-27 07:57:06 PM
All they had to do was delete their personal profile. That's hardly a hack.
 
2013-09-27 08:10:42 PM
What a bunch of dumbasses at the school district.
 
2013-09-27 08:12:57 PM
One of my eighth-graders got me past the school's firewall when I needed to check my Facebook messages. God bless those kids. Then he says, "Hey Mr. ecmoRandomNumbers, can I check mine when you're done?"

"Sure."
 
2013-09-27 08:18:40 PM
What took them so long?
 
2013-09-27 08:19:29 PM
Who says you can't learn nothing in school?
 
2013-09-27 08:21:56 PM
"They told me Friday, 'I would do it for you because you're my friend,' " she says. "They told me that!"
If you weren't a friend, the hack would cost $2


$2.00 really, I bet they could easily charge $5, fire that school's Economics teacher.
 
2013-09-27 08:25:21 PM
FTA: The students are getting around software that lets school district officials know where the iPads are, and what the students are doing with them at all times.

So when is the FBI gonna check out all the nude pics of students, just like in Pennsylvania.

http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Security/School-District-Settles-Webcam-Spy in g-Litigation-802291/

/Chicken shiat FBI didn't want to set precedence so they walked away.
 
2013-09-27 08:28:13 PM
Having deployed enterprise ipads I am not surprised. Apple will let third party mdm solutions *monitor* a lot, but they wont let you *block* jack shiat.
 
2013-09-27 08:28:16 PM

Big Merl: What took them so long?


Must be an exceptionally dumb class. Either that or it took a week for the teachers to notice.
 
2013-09-27 08:29:29 PM
Pretty ingenious idea.  All joking aside, many argue that indoctrination starts in the schools...80% of teachers are usually left-leaning liberals, and they preach that in some form or another to their students.  Now I'm not trying to start a flamewar, but I bring up my primary point:  Very smart of Apple to get them going on ipads so early.  It brainwashes them into wanting those in the future, as opposed to the myriad of other options out there.  Clever!

/not a fanboi, but I do have an iphone.
//just an observation
 
2013-09-27 08:30:47 PM
My school had the network nanny on the computers in the library. 7th grade year, I figured out how to turn it off (logging into safe mode and uninstalling it worked too). My reason: Neopets. I wanted to play games during lunch.
 
2013-09-27 08:31:34 PM
The system needs to have a full OS that is locked out if they want full control of how the device is used. If it's software locked, someone will crack it
 
2013-09-27 08:31:48 PM

Fade2black: Very smart of Apple to get them going on ipads so early. It brainwashes them into wanting those in the future, as opposed to the myriad of other options out there.


Apple's been doing this for years in the mid-90s I could buy an apple desktop loaded with all kinds of great software through my college bookstore for less than the software would cost for a Windows machine.
 
2013-09-27 08:31:54 PM
On one side you have a handful of overworked, underpaid, inexperienced techies setting the security on these things.

On the other side you every teenage boy in Los Angeles wanting porn.

Guess who will always win?

Hell, I'm extremely experienced and highly confident of my skills.  I don't think I would win this little war.
 
2013-09-27 08:32:48 PM

Tom_Slick: "They told me Friday, 'I would do it for you because you're my friend,' " she says. "They told me that!"
If you weren't a friend, the hack would cost $2

$2.00 really, I bet they could easily charge $5, fire that school's Economics teacher.


No shiat... was getting $5 for a nicely written excuse slip 20 years ago!

/now I feel old... make me a cup of tea, put some lemon in it.
 
2013-09-27 08:34:47 PM
I wonder who will be responsible if they are lost or stolen? They are going to have bigger problem.
 
2013-09-27 08:37:51 PM

baorao: Having deployed enterprise ipads I am not surprised. Apple will let third party mdm solutions *monitor* a lot, but they wont let you *block* jack shiat.


Awesome! If I ever end up working for a megacorp, I'm going to insist on Apple products instead of the locked-down garbage they usually try to stick you with.
 
2013-09-27 08:41:54 PM

bojon: I wonder who will be responsible if they are lost or stolen? They are going to have bigger problem.


According to the article the kids can no longer take them home, hundreds of unattended iPads in an empty school building over a school holiday.  The area Pawn Shops better have some extra cash on hand on Black Friday.
 
2013-09-27 08:42:25 PM
My school district had a Novell network of dubious quality. I discovered that you could use Qbasic to drop down to a command prompt that allowed me to access all the files after dir / r command. I could see the files all the teachers had, but I couldn't modify them. I then discovered I could access printer across the whole school district. There was a panic when random printers would go mad, since I was feeding them random ASCII commands from something I'd made that looked like a screen saver that I'd run while at lunch. Remember, there's line feed and beep commands in there.

I didn't get verification until the next year when I was talking about the exploit amongst students from the other high school.
 
2013-09-27 08:43:16 PM
This is a perfect opportunity to teach personal responsibility.

Sadly, this opportunity will almost certainly be wasted.
 
2013-09-27 08:43:16 PM

Trocadero: Who says you can't learn nothing in school?


I don't think anyone with a brain with argue about learning exactly "nothing" in America's current liberal educational system.
 
2013-09-27 08:44:46 PM
Should have used Surfaces. Not only is the EFI really locked down (because I have heard no stories of anyone dual booting them with Android), but there aren't that many unapproved apps to worry about.
 
2013-09-27 08:47:34 PM

TheMega: Tom_Slick: "They told me Friday, 'I would do it for you because you're my friend,' " she says. "They told me that!"
If you weren't a friend, the hack would cost $2

$2.00 really, I bet they could easily charge $5, fire that school's Economics teacher.

No shiat... was getting $5 for a nicely written excuse slip 20 years ago!

/now I feel old... make me a cup of tea, put some lemon in it.


If $2 is the market rate, then hacking is not the cash cow I thought it was. Oh well. I was done with DOS commands anyway. So there.
 
2013-09-27 08:47:45 PM
A high school friend of mine made counterfeit hall passes. The only difference is that he used apostrophes correctly where the original did not.
 
2013-09-27 08:49:04 PM
i18.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-27 08:55:44 PM
Put Untangle or something on the gateway and by default it blocks porn sites.  Blocks a ton of crap, actually.  Put in the AUP that if they bring a mobile hotspot to bypass it, 3 day suspension.

Problem solved.
 
2013-09-27 08:57:40 PM
Far more impressed by the kids in Africa who were messing with Android within 5 months of their first exposure with a computer:


http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/11/01/kids_learn_hacking_android/
 
2013-09-27 08:57:57 PM
Maybe there is hope for today's youth after all...
 
2013-09-27 09:01:23 PM

ka1axy: Maybe there is hope for today's youth after all...


Just don't ask what they were doing with it. Might ruin that hope.

/I do kinda dig iTunesU though.
 
2013-09-27 09:06:28 PM

Aristocles: Los Angeles Unified School District started issuing iPads to its students this school year, as part of a $30 million deal with Apple

Money well spent, CA. Money, well spent.


That is just phase 1. As it says in the article the LAUSD student population is huge and would be more than a lot of major cities.


Although I think it is way too early too judge.
 
2013-09-27 09:07:42 PM
Our high school locked us out of out own school's website for the entire first week of spring semester.
 
2013-09-27 09:08:41 PM
When I was a kid computers were easy to hack because they were just a hollow rock with a bird in it that pecked out crude symbols on slabs of rock.
 
2013-09-27 09:13:54 PM

sheep snorter: FTA: The students are getting around software that lets school district officials know where the iPads are, and what the students are doing with them at all times.

So when is the FBI gonna check out all the nude pics of students, just like in Pennsylvania.

http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Security/School-District-Settles-Webcam-Spy in g-Litigation-802291/

/Chicken shiat FBI didn't want to set precedence so they walked away.


I don't recall that being the FBI so much as Some Administrator, but regardless, you had video cameras always on accessible by someone else, what did you think was going to happen?!

I'd be hacking these iPads to turn off the tracking "features" ASAP, too. Good job, kids. Too bad you did it so you can access Facebook, though, way to stick it to the man there.... >.<
 
2013-09-27 09:14:06 PM

bojon: I wonder who will be responsible if they are lost or stolen? They are going to have bigger problem.


In Orange County (Florida) parents have to buy insurance for their kid to get an iPad. It's like $20/yr.

/used to work there in IT dept
//glad I don't anymore
 
2013-09-27 09:16:07 PM

Fade2black: 80% of teachers are usually left-leaning liberals.


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-09-27 09:20:13 PM

Tom_Slick: Fade2black: Very smart of Apple to get them going on ipads so early. It brainwashes them into wanting those in the future, as opposed to the myriad of other options out there.

Apple's been doing this for years in the mid-90s I could buy an apple desktop loaded with all kinds of great software through my college bookstore for less than the software would cost for a Windows machine.


That was the deal Apple had with /your/ college, maybe, but most places had deals with PC companies, either instead or in addition. When I was in college in the late 90s, Mac laptops were by no means cheaper than comparable PCs at the college bookstore.
 
2013-09-27 09:20:58 PM
This is insane. When I was in school they didn't even give us pens or paper. We had to get our own, and our parents had to pay out of pocket for it.

Other class-required things we paid for:

Uniforms
Swimsuits
Calculators
Padlocks
Lab Kits
Typing Paper
Correction Fluid
Pencils

And yet kids today get free iPads, and they take them for granted enough to fark with them.

Ungrateful little snots.
 
2013-09-27 09:22:13 PM
OMG! Unapproved, unauthorized use of curiosity/intelligence by students to solve problems? THANK GAWD that these administrators were able to discover this in time to thoroughly stamp out that type of behavior.
 
2013-09-27 09:28:21 PM
I hacked the school Macs back in highschool. This was back in the 90s so security was a joke. I knew more about the computers than the "expert" teachers who administered them. Anyone else remember Foolproof on the System 7 Macs? Boot floppy would bypass it completely, or load ResEdit and delete the Foolproof extension.
 
2013-09-27 09:34:12 PM
That's why when I was a network admin in a 9-12 charter school, I managed all filtering on the network level. All traffic was routed through a proxy via pfSense. There was MAC based authentication to allow or disallow access to any port or address. If it was on the white list it was allowed; if was disallowed they'd see a picture of  "billie the manatee" and the word 'PWN'D'.

God, they hated me... but my network was always up and the kids never saw a minute of porn. They'd say stuff like "Can't you just turn Facebook on for a little while, in the morning or at lunch?" or "All of my friends use SSL proxies, why don't those work here?"...
 
2013-09-27 09:39:23 PM

Saul T. Balzac: Fade2black: 80% of teachers are usually left-leaning liberals.

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it's twue

content7.flixster.com
 
2013-09-27 09:41:36 PM
well that sounds like a huge waste of money and unnecessary distraction
 
2013-09-27 09:43:37 PM
Keep believing that giving these kids iPads and laptops will somehow turn them into techno-savvy geniuses.   It actually meant something in 1987 when a kid knew how to use a computer.  They were devices of production that had a steep learning curve, specialized skills knowledge, and basic understanding of the underlying technology.  Today, most people are using these devices for consumption purposes and a grandma can learn to use it in a day.  No understanding of the underlying technology is required to use it.    Folks, there are certain things that need to be learned in tangible, physical ways if one wants to understand inner-workings and inter-relationships.    You know, just because we can do something doesn't mean we should, and more is not better.   The fact that most kids latch strongly onto these learning tools is something we should question rather than accept as proof of legitimacy.  Even if the intended lesson is learned more quickly, what underlying lessons are lost by removing the physical environment including books, pencils, paper.
 
2013-09-27 09:47:36 PM
in the 90's we used Deepfreeze on the computers in my school lab

http://www.faronics.com/products/deep-freeze/enterprise/

worked pretty well, kids could do anything to the computer they wanted but on reboot it came back in standard configuration

also a network filter, that worked poorly, to keep "bad" sites off the schools computers

//was the campus IT guy/computer teacher
//retired
//walk on the lawn if you want, it's mostly dead anyway
 
2013-09-27 09:52:31 PM
I made the computer say Fart.
 
2013-09-27 09:53:53 PM

Aristocles: Los Angeles Unified School District started issuing iPads to its students this school year, as part of a $30 million deal with Apple

Money well spent, CA. Money, well spent.


Hey, CA was kicking tax money back to the job creators at Apple, instead of spending it on textbooks or classroom instructional materials. I think conservatives should love this idea. Don't be a hater.
 
2013-09-27 09:54:23 PM

Tom_Slick: Fade2black: Very smart of Apple to get them going on ipads so early. It brainwashes them into wanting those in the future, as opposed to the myriad of other options out there.

Apple's been doing this for years in the mid-90s I could buy an apple desktop loaded with all kinds of great software through my college bookstore for less than the software would cost for a Windows machine.


Yeah. We had nothing but Apple 2Es in my high school computer lab and that was 1985.
 
2013-09-27 09:58:31 PM
FTFA: But less than a week after getting their iPads, almost 200 of the districts' high school students found a way to bypass software blocks on the devices that limit what websites the students can use.

(*sigh*) Hey, at least the kids demonstrated initiative and figured out how to do something. They need those problem solving skills in today's world of fast food restaurants and nail salons..
 
2013-09-27 09:59:39 PM

baorao: Having deployed enterprise ipads I am not surprised. Apple will let third party mdm solutions *monitor* a lot, but they wont let you *block* jack shiat.


Yup.  What Apple MDM vendors say they can do: "We can make sure users are only using the specific applications you want them to!" What Apple MDM vendors actually mean: "We will let users download and use whatever they want, but we'll send them a mean message and threaten to wipe their phones if they don't remove the offending applications within four hours!" Yeah, thanks guys.  That's some tight securitah.
 
2013-09-27 10:09:17 PM
What's the big deal how they use them at home?  Trying to block sites on the device level seems like a misguided approach.  Just set up the WiFi connection at school to block the unwanted sites so that the kids can't play around in class, and let them use them for whatever reason at home.
 
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