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(College Football Talk)   Spiffy: EA Sports settles suit against its NCAA Football video game for $40 million, which means 200-300K current and former football players may be entitled to upwards of $200 apiece   (collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com) divider line 58
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2013-09-27 07:27:41 PM
How on earth are there 200,000 to 300,000 football players included in those games? I know they've been publishing these games for 20 years, but that's still 10,000 - 15,000 football players per year. Surely these games didn't have anywhere close to that number of players included. Is that for all NCAA players during that time period?
 
2013-09-27 07:43:36 PM
And lose their eligibility if they accept
 
2013-09-27 07:44:44 PM
To make math easy, say 125 teams, 16 years, 70 per team. Wait, I think that's 140,000, and old rosters were smaller, and players appeared multiple times. I'm stumped unless FCS or legends are involved.
 
2013-09-27 07:51:18 PM

Dawg47: To make math easy, say 125 teams, 16 years, 70 per team. Wait, I think that's 140,000, and old rosters were smaller, and players appeared multiple times. I'm stumped unless FCS or legends are involved.


FCS was involved for several years, and FBS has 85 scholarships
 
2013-09-27 08:04:04 PM
After the lawyers get their cut, it'll probably be about 20 bucks a person.
 
2013-09-27 08:24:53 PM

The Madd Mann: After the lawyers get their cut, it'll probably be about 20 bucks a person.


And totally worth the extinction of the better half of the EA football titles.
 
2013-09-27 08:26:03 PM
The numbers aren't nearly as important as the precedent. This is a big NCAA partner "admitting" wrongdoing by settling w/o going to trial. Granted, it's a big giant leap to go from video games to TV contracts, but it's not impossible now.
 
2013-09-27 08:29:44 PM
EA Settlement... it's in their game.
 
2013-09-27 08:36:15 PM
fark everyone for their greed that resulted in this...except for the athletes - they genuinely deserve some form of compensation.

In a sane and intelligent system, the college athlete's players' association would negotiate a reasonable rate and each player would get their ~$25 check.
 
2013-09-27 08:38:16 PM
I'd just like to say

Fark EA

Not specifically for this, but just in general.
 
2013-09-27 08:39:38 PM

Lost Thought 00: And lose their eligibility if they accept


Only applies to current players and I'm sure some lawyer wrote a clause into the settlement that current player will get paid after they leave school.
 
2013-09-27 08:54:34 PM

degenerate-afro: I'd just like to say

Fark EA

Not specifically for this, but just in general.


I 2nd this.

imageshack.us

/ For the love all that is holy take what is left Command and Conquer out back and blow it brains out like Kane did to Seth.
// RIP Desert Combat
 
2013-09-27 08:54:43 PM

UNC_Samurai: fark everyone for their greed that resulted in this...except for the athletes - they genuinely deserve some form of compensation.

In a sane and intelligent system, the college athlete's players' association would negotiate a reasonable rate and each player would get their ~$25 check.


I agree.  I don't think that players should be paid by the school, but they should be able to (openly) make money off of their talent.  Every player could get a fee from video games, and the best players could get money from jersey sales and endorsements.  They could sell autographs or trade memorabilia for tattoos if they wanted to.  If a non-athlete became famous for being great at what they were majoring in, no one would criticize the student for making money while still in school.

It's not a coincidence that the Virginia Tech jersey I own has a number 4 on it... Eddie Royal should have gotten something out of it.
 
2013-09-27 08:56:54 PM

baorao: The Madd Mann: After the lawyers get their cut, it'll probably be about 20 bucks a person.

And totally worth the extinction of the better half of the EA football titles.


This could have been avoided easily if the NCAA didn't view the players as property and obtained the same release every B girl in the porn industry signs daily.
 
2013-09-27 09:00:38 PM
Well I got a check for like $25 from the record industry's collision lawsuit. Didn't have to play football for 4 years to get it.
 
2013-09-27 09:03:02 PM
The NCAA in its current form is a sinking ship and EA is getting off while it still can.
 
2013-09-27 09:13:32 PM

AliceBToklasLives: Well I got a check for like $25 from the record industry's collision lawsuit. Didn't have to play football for 4 years to get it.


I think you mean collusion, unless a record exec ran into you.
 
2013-09-27 09:27:13 PM

MFAWG: baorao: The Madd Mann: After the lawyers get their cut, it'll probably be about 20 bucks a person.

And totally worth the extinction of the better half of the EA football titles.

This could have been avoided easily if the NCAA didn't view the players as property and obtained the same release every B girl in the porn industry signs daily.


But that would require them to give at least 1/4th of a rat's ass for the "student-athletes" that ensure them a continuing paycheck, which will never happen.
 
2013-09-27 09:49:23 PM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: AliceBToklasLives: Well I got a check for like $25 from the record industry's collision lawsuit. Didn't have to play football for 4 years to get it.

I think you mean collusion, unless a record exec ran into you.


Right. Collusion is also a good word to describe the actions of NCAA members.
 
2013-09-27 09:56:05 PM
The money isn't the point.  It's the idea.  Stop enslaving kids to make money for your school.

See: South Park's episode on the Crack Baby Association
 
2013-09-27 10:21:26 PM

Fubini: How on earth are there 200,000 to 300,000 football players included in those games? I know they've been publishing these games for 20 years, but that's still 10,000 - 15,000 football players per year. Surely these games didn't have anywhere close to that number of players included. Is that for all NCAA players during that time period?


I don't know if the article mentioned it, but I'm pretty sure it included basketball players during the years EA had that game (1998-2010).  If it does, that 200,000-300,000 sounds accurate.
 
2013-09-27 10:31:11 PM

ClavellBCMI: MFAWG: baorao: The Madd Mann: After the lawyers get their cut, it'll probably be about 20 bucks a person.

And totally worth the extinction of the better half of the EA football titles.

This could have been avoided easily if the NCAA didn't view the players as property and obtained the same release every B girl in the porn industry signs daily.

But that would require them to give at least 1/4th of a rat's ass for the "student-athletes" that ensure them a continuing paycheck, which will never happen.


Like somebody upthread said: it's not really the money, it's the arrogance. And don't get me wrong, EA has some ownership, They have to be more than passingly familiar with the legal issues at hand. Did they just take the NCAA's word that they 'don't need no stinkin' releeces'?
 
2013-09-27 10:31:47 PM

Argyle82: The money isn't the point.  It's the idea.  Stop enslaving kids to make money for your school.

See: South Park's episode on the Crack Baby Association


It's not slavery, it's not even close, and you're a f*cking idiot for saying that.
 
2013-09-27 10:40:23 PM

kwame: Argyle82: The money isn't the point.  It's the idea.  Stop enslaving kids to make money for your school.

See: South Park's episode on the Crack Baby Association

It's not slavery, it's not even close, and you're a f*cking idiot for saying that.


Making money from other people's work, while not compensating them (as a former athlete on scholarship I can call BS that a scholarship is payment.  I was having trouble making rent and doing basic life things like, you know, eating food) is slavery.

noun
historical

noun: slave;plural noun: slaves
1
.
a person who is the legal property of another and is forced to obey them
verb
verb: slave;3rd person present: slaves;past tense: slaved;past participle: slaved;gerund or present participle: slaving
1
.
work excessively hard.

Both the noun and verb usage of the word is appropriate in this situation.
 
2013-09-27 10:41:23 PM

kwame: Argyle82: The money isn't the point.  It's the idea.  Stop enslaving kids to make money for your school.

See: South Park's episode on the Crack Baby Association

It's not slavery, it's not even close, and you're a f*cking idiot for saying that.


It's pretty close, especially in 'OMGFOOOOOOTBALLLLL!!!!'.
 
2013-09-27 10:54:17 PM

Argyle82: kwame: Argyle82: The money isn't the point.  It's the idea.  Stop enslaving kids to make money for your school.

See: South Park's episode on the Crack Baby Association

It's not slavery, it's not even close, and you're a f*cking idiot for saying that.

Making money from other people's work, while not compensating them (as a former athlete on scholarship I can call BS that a scholarship is payment.  I was having trouble making rent and doing basic life things like, you know, eating food) is slavery.

noun
historical
noun: slave;plural noun: slaves
1.
a person who is the legal property of another and is forced to obey them
verb
verb: slave;3rd person present: slaves;past tense: slaved;past participle: slaved;gerund or present participle: slaving
1.
work excessively hard.

Both the noun and verb usage of the word is appropriate in this situation.


but no one is being forced to play football. it's a personal choice you go into knowing there's no compensation.

as far as the game goes, this is mostly stupid. the only real likenesses are the jersey numbers (which are sometimes shared amongst multiple players anyhow) and attributes. if I create a player's likeness, do I owe that player compensation?
 
2013-09-27 10:54:57 PM

kwame: Argyle82: The money isn't the point.  It's the idea.  Stop enslaving kids to make money for your school.

See: South Park's episode on the Crack Baby Association

It's not slavery, it's not even close, and you're a f*cking idiot for saying that.



Calling it slavery is a bit much but it comes damm close to an Indentured servant.
 
2013-09-27 11:01:44 PM
This "pay the players" nonsense is crap, in my opinion.  Sure, 80% of the athletes in college football and basketball don't give a rat's arse about getting a free education, free meals, free gear, etc, etc.  It's not the NCAA, or the individual school's fault if their athletes don't appreciate that they're walking away from a 4 year career with a shiat load of free schooling and lots of cool shiat.

Nevermind if said school goes to a bowl game, and the gifts the players receive at those.

As for games, EA could have easily avoided this entire thing by not making the players in the game match up as closely as they do.  Just randomize it every time you start a season so that when you start a new season, the roster is completely randomized with names, numbers, height, weight, etc all different every time.  If a user wants to spend the time to go through and change all the names, height, weight, etc to the real thing, that's fine, it's not EA that's responsible then.
 
2013-09-27 11:20:30 PM

Argyle82: kwame: Argyle82: The money isn't the point.  It's the idea.  Stop enslaving kids to make money for your school.

See: South Park's episode on the Crack Baby Association

It's not slavery, it's not even close, and you're a f*cking idiot for saying that.

Making money from other people's work, while not compensating them (as a former athlete on scholarship I can call BS that a scholarship is payment.  I was having trouble making rent and doing basic life things like, you know, eating food) is slavery.

noun
historical
noun: slave;plural noun: slaves
1.
a person who is the legal property of another and is forced to obey them
verb
verb: slave;3rd person present: slaves;past tense: slaved;past participle: slaved;gerund or present participle: slaving
1.
work excessively hard.

Both the noun and verb usage of the word is appropriate in this situation.


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Really?  And at what point has any player ever been forced to play?

Collegiate players are not slaves.  Slaves were herded like animals from their homeland and forced to work without being given any say in the matter.  Players choose their sport, they choose their school and, most importantly, they choose to play.  You played, so you know this better than most.  If all that still matches your definition of slavery, then you're just as foolish as the imbeciles who originally made this terrible analogy.

I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt.
 
2013-09-27 11:33:14 PM

tacchimonster: Argyle82: kwame: Argyle82: The money isn't the point.  It's the idea.  Stop enslaving kids to make money for your school.

See: South Park's episode on the Crack Baby Association

It's not slavery, it's not even close, and you're a f*cking idiot for saying that.

Making money from other people's work, while not compensating them (as a former athlete on scholarship I can call BS that a scholarship is payment.  I was having trouble making rent and doing basic life things like, you know, eating food) is slavery.

noun
historical
noun: slave;plural noun: slaves
1.
a person who is the legal property of another and is forced to obey them
verb
verb: slave;3rd person present: slaves;past tense: slaved;past participle: slaved;gerund or present participle: slaving
1.
work excessively hard.

Both the noun and verb usage of the word is appropriate in this situation.

---

Really?  And at what point has any player ever been forced to play?

Collegiate players are not slaves.  Slaves were herded like animals from their homeland and forced to work without being given any say in the matter.  Players choose their sport, they choose their school and, most importantly, they choose to play.  You played, so you know this better than most.  If all that still matches your definition of slavery, then you're just as foolish as the imbeciles who originally made this terrible analogy.

I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt.


Wow, thanks for the benefit of the doubt, Gandhi.

Your confusing the historical usage of the words slave, slaves, slavery, with the actual meaning of the word.  Someone who owns you (you must do what they say) and/or working extremely hard (slaving over a stove).

So, are colleges enslaving kids?  Yes.  They make them sign contracts and then they own them.  They profit from the work the kids do.  Are there guns to the kids' heads?  No.

Yes, I chose to sign the contract year after year, but after that, they owned me.  I could have gotten out after every year, but their offer was better than anything else on the table, so go with the best offer, right?  But yes, after you sign, they own your ass, and they make you work your ass off.  You are enslaved for many hours a week and many weeks a year.

Get over the colloquialism of the word slave and take the racial connotations out of your mind.  Look at the definition of the word.
 
2013-09-28 12:14:10 AM
Rich Lawyers = Justice! hooray
 
2013-09-28 12:25:34 AM
only ~$577,800 for the average texas player.  thank god the ncaa protects the "student-athlete" from receive outside sources of money such as endorsements and gifts.

static6.businessinsider.com
 
2013-09-28 12:27:02 AM

A Fark Handle: only ~$577,800 for the average texas player

to go.

/ftfmda
 
2013-09-28 01:10:39 AM
Lost in the whole pay the players debate is that the NBA/NFL are largely responsible for the current situation because they are too cheap to have their own minor leagues.  Why make the kids who never plan to graduate go to college for 1 or 3 years before they can get paid?  Let them get drafted and then decide if you want a college program to develop them or a minor league team.  Let those who are so highly rated cash in on a signing bonus before they potentially have a career ending injury playing in college.  Let the players have the choice of going to school for 3 years or going to a minor league team  and earning a salary.  It seems to work pretty well for the MLB and NHL.

And to everyone screaming "They get a free education, they should take it and be happy and shut up" the amount of money flowing into college football is obscene.  Athletic departments are bringing in over $100 million a year, that's about 2/3s of what NFL teams bring in.  And the players are just supposed to say "thanks for the $60,000, enjoy the rest of the $60 million you earned from our work"?  These players put in full time jobs for their sports in addition to their school work.  While the NCAA limits practice time, if players want to see the field they have to put in a ton of time without the coaches around.  Even taking a light course load, with 40 hours dedicated to sports a week it doesn't leave you much free time if you actually expect these kids to try to take advantage of this "free education" they are getting.
 
2013-09-28 01:37:22 AM

Farnn: Lost in the whole pay the players debate is that the NBA/NFL are largely responsible for the current situation because they are too cheap to have their own minor leagues.  Why make the kids who never plan to graduate go to college for 1 or 3 years before they can get paid?  Let them get drafted and then decide if you want a college program to develop them or a minor league team.  Let those who are so highly rated cash in on a signing bonus before they potentially have a career ending injury playing in college.  Let the players have the choice of going to school for 3 years or going to a minor league team  and earning a salary.  It seems to work pretty well for the MLB and NHL.


True but no one can make the NBA/NFL change with the NCAA still standing. It is best to go after one target than two.

Most of the blame falls on the NFL. To play in the NFL the player must be at least three years removed from the end of high school, or that he must have completed at least three years of college. These three years of college delivers polished players to the NFL at $0.

For the NBA it is only one year out of high school. The NBA dose have a development league but I know jack sheet about it.
 
2013-09-28 01:40:35 AM

Trocadero: The numbers aren't nearly as important as the precedent. This is a big NCAA partner "admitting" wrongdoing by settling w/o going to trial. Granted, it's a big giant leap to go from video games to TV contracts, but it's not impossible now.


Settling out of court doesn't set legal precedent.
 
2013-09-28 01:45:07 AM
UNC_Samurai: fark everyone for their greed that resulted in this...except for the athletes - they genuinely deserve some form of compensation.

They already get a scholarship, free clothes, free travel, health insurance, etc., and a cash salary (called a "housing allotment") equivalent to what AA baseball players or NBDL players and more than what major-junior hockey players make.  It's a minor league and they're compensated like minor league ballplayers PLUS they get a free education.
 
2013-09-28 01:46:47 AM

M AGRIPPA L F COS TERTIVM SCRIBIT: UNC_Samurai: fark everyone for their greed that resulted in this...except for the athletes - they genuinely deserve some form of compensation.

In a sane and intelligent system, the college athlete's players' association would negotiate a reasonable rate and each player would get their ~$25 check.

I agree.  I don't think that players should be paid by the school, but they should be able to (openly) make money off of their talent.  Every player could get a fee from video games, and the best players could get money from jersey sales and endorsements.  They could sell autographs or trade memorabilia for tattoos if they wanted to.  If a non-athlete became famous for being great at what they were majoring in, no one would criticize the student for making money while still in school.

It's not a coincidence that the Virginia Tech jersey I own has a number 4 on it... Eddie Royal should have gotten something out of it.


Why do you want to take money out of their pockets?  The money they get paid by the schools isn't much -- about the same as minor league players in baseball or hockey -- so why do you want to take that away?
 
2013-09-28 01:48:19 AM

Argyle82: kwame: Argyle82: The money isn't the point.  It's the idea.  Stop enslaving kids to make money for your school.

See: South Park's episode on the Crack Baby Association

It's not slavery, it's not even close, and you're a f*cking idiot for saying that.

Making money from other people's work, while not compensating them (as a former athlete on scholarship I can call BS that a scholarship is payment.  I was having trouble making rent and doing basic life things like, you know, eating food) is slavery.


I'm sorry that you thought that the cash money they paid you wasn't sufficient compensation for your work but you could always have quit and gotten a different job.
 
2013-09-28 01:50:31 AM

Argyle82: tacchimonster: Argyle82: kwame: Argyle82: The money isn't the point.  It's the idea.  Stop enslaving kids to make money for your school.

See: South Park's episode on the Crack Baby Association

It's not slavery, it's not even close, and you're a f*cking idiot for saying that.

Making money from other people's work, while not compensating them (as a former athlete on scholarship I can call BS that a scholarship is payment.  I was having trouble making rent and doing basic life things like, you know, eating food) is slavery.

noun
historical
noun: slave;plural noun: slaves
1.
a person who is the legal property of another and is forced to obey them
verb
verb: slave;3rd person present: slaves;past tense: slaved;past participle: slaved;gerund or present participle: slaving
1.
work excessively hard.

Both the noun and verb usage of the word is appropriate in this situation.

---

Really?  And at what point has any player ever been forced to play?

Collegiate players are not slaves.  Slaves were herded like animals from their homeland and forced to work without being given any say in the matter.  Players choose their sport, they choose their school and, most importantly, they choose to play.  You played, so you know this better than most.  If all that still matches your definition of slavery, then you're just as foolish as the imbeciles who originally made this terrible analogy.

I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt.

Wow, thanks for the benefit of the doubt, Gandhi.

Your confusing the historical usage of the words slave, slaves, slavery, with the actual meaning of the word.  Someone who owns you (you must do what they say) and/or working extremely hard (slaving over a stove).

So, are colleges enslaving kids?  Yes.  They make them sign contracts and then they own them.  They profit from the work the kids do.  Are there guns to the kids' heads?  No.

Yes, I chose to sign the contract year after year, but after that, they owned me.  I could have gotten out after every ...


You don't know what a slave is.  Honestly, that came across as majorly racist.
 
2013-09-28 01:52:49 AM
i.imgur.com

I'm old enough to remember this EA.

/How far they have fallen.
//And what do you benefit if you gain the whole world but lose your own soul? Apparently a shiatload of money and an army of lawyers.
 
2013-09-28 02:42:41 AM

meanmutton: UNC_Samurai: fark everyone for their greed that resulted in this...except for the athletes - they genuinely deserve some form of compensation.

They already get a scholarship, free clothes, free travel, health insurance, etc., and a cash salary (called a "housing allotment") equivalent to what AA baseball players or NBDL players and more than what major-junior hockey players make.  It's a minor league and they're compensated like minor league ballplayers PLUS they get a free education.


I lol'd.

4/10.
 
2013-09-28 02:56:16 AM

meanmutton: UNC_Samurai: fark everyone for their greed that resulted in this...except for the athletes - they genuinely deserve some form of compensation.

They already get a scholarship, free clothes, free travel, health insurance, etc., and a cash salary (called a "housing allotment") equivalent to what AA baseball players or NBDL players and more than what major-junior hockey players make.  It's a minor league and they're compensated like minor league ballplayers PLUS they get a free education.


No, no they don't.  End of story.
 
2013-09-28 03:59:20 AM

meanmutton: UNC_Samurai: fark everyone for their greed that resulted in this...except for the athletes - they genuinely deserve some form of compensation.

They already get a scholarship, free clothes, free travel, health insurance, etc., and a cash salary (called a "housing allotment") equivalent to what AA baseball players or NBDL players and more than what major-junior hockey players make.  It's a minor league and they're compensated like minor league ballplayers PLUS they get a free education.


So does this make it right for a third party to use their likeness to profit off of them? You already receive compensation from your job, so if EA wanted to make a game about accountants, does that give them the right to use your likeness in that game without compensating you?
 
2013-09-28 04:34:26 AM

leaf7: as far as the game goes, this is mostly stupid. the only real likenesses are the jersey numbers (which are sometimes shared amongst multiple players anyhow) and attributes. if I create a player's likeness, do I owe that player compensation?


And stats. And facial features. And body shape. And hometown. Not to mention all those files that were getting sold for $5 a pop online that out-and-out inserted the names for you. EA came so close, year after year, skirting the line of what counted as a 'likeness' that a judge finally told them 'close enough, this is not coincidence, you basically just made the players and then filed the names off and therefore pay up'.

And really, the 'free education' is a bullshiat education. They get shoved into BS majors that are easy to pass- some of the players allege being 'forced' into particular majors, often the same ones as their teammates- and then if you're the professor that has half the football team in your classroom and the entire campus is going crazy about the upcoming game and you're finding the players to be dumb as rocks and not giving a shiat... let's just say the instructors placed in that position are the ones deemed too spineless to fail a single one of the players lest an angry mob of football fans show up outside their classroom.
 
2013-09-28 04:42:55 AM
Oh, oh yeah. Even the ones who do actually value their education and can fight off the pressure to take a BS major, and happen to be good enough to go into the NFL... have to answer to the NFL, which doesn't value education in the slightest.

Myron Rolle, remember him? Florida State, Rhodes Scholar? Skipped the 2009 draft to study at Oxford, then entered the 2010 draft. At the 2010 combine, he got grilled by teams doubting his loyalty and motivation, fell to the 6th round, where the Titans never put him on the field, cut him, then the Steelers put him on the practice squad, and then Rhodes said 'fark this shiat' and went back to Oxford.
 
2013-09-28 06:04:30 AM

Allen262: Lost Thought 00: And lose their eligibility if they accept

Only applies to current players and I'm sure some lawyer wrote a clause into the settlement that current player will get paid after they leave school.


I dont think thats right.  If they accept the money after they leave,they put their programs in jeapordy of probation and vacated wins.

Do not underestimate the power of the NCAA to be dickish about stuff.
 
2013-09-28 06:09:55 AM

meanmutton: Argyle82: tacchimonster: Argyle82: kwame: Argyle82: The money isn't the point.  It's the idea.  Stop enslaving kids to make money for your school.

See: South Park's episode on the Crack Baby Association

It's not slavery, it's not even close, and you're a f*cking idiot for saying that.

Making money from other people's work, while not compensating them (as a former athlete on scholarship I can call BS that a scholarship is payment.  I was having trouble making rent and doing basic life things like, you know, eating food) is slavery.

noun
historical
noun: slave;plural noun: slaves
1.
a person who is the legal property of another and is forced to obey them
verb
verb: slave;3rd person present: slaves;past tense: slaved;past participle: slaved;gerund or present participle: slaving
1.
work excessively hard.

Both the noun and verb usage of the word is appropriate in this situation.

---

Really?  And at what point has any player ever been forced to play?

Collegiate players are not slaves.  Slaves were herded like animals from their homeland and forced to work without being given any say in the matter.  Players choose their sport, they choose their school and, most importantly, they choose to play.  You played, so you know this better than most.  If all that still matches your definition of slavery, then you're just as foolish as the imbeciles who originally made this terrible analogy.

I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt.

Wow, thanks for the benefit of the doubt, Gandhi.

Your confusing the historical usage of the words slave, slaves, slavery, with the actual meaning of the word.  Someone who owns you (you must do what they say) and/or working extremely hard (slaving over a stove).

So, are colleges enslaving kids?  Yes.  They make them sign contracts and then they own them.  They profit from the work the kids do.  Are there guns to the kids' heads?  No.

Yes, I chose to sign the contract year after year, but after that, they owned me.  I could have gotten out af ...


Only because you have a very narrow view of slavery in historical context.  Frankly, THAT statement sounded a bit racist, based on your association of the word slave with one race.
 
2013-09-28 06:30:21 AM

leaf7: but no one is being forced to play football. it's a personal choice you go into knowing there's no compensation.


And that, of course, makes it all fine and dandy.
 
2013-09-28 06:31:58 AM

Farnn: Lost in the whole pay the players debate is that the NBA/NFL are largely responsible for the current situation because they are too cheap to have their own minor leagues.


Except the NBA does have a minor league called the D-League.  They just don't let anyone under 19 in it.
 
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