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(Richmond Times-Dispatch)   Feds raid HQ of Rush Limbaugh sponsor Lumber Liquidators for a "Gibson Guitar problem"-this is surely all a giant coincidence   (timesdispatch.com) divider line 72
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2013-09-27 06:52:17 PM
FALSE FLAG!!!

/derp
 
2013-09-27 07:14:06 PM
I doubt it's a coincidence at all that Rush Limbaugh would choose to do business with companies who play it fast and loose with environmental regulations.
 
2013-09-27 07:25:01 PM

TuteTibiImperes: I doubt it's a coincidence at all that Rush Limbaugh would choose to do business with companies who play it fast and loose with environmental regulations.


I think he would choose to do business with anybody willing to pay for commercial time on his radio program. Now, Lumber Liquidators is another story. If they advertise with him because of his views on Enviro-Wackos (or whatever he calls them), then you might not be surprised by this.
 
2013-09-27 07:25:37 PM
Well considering Gibson was entirely in the wrong, and fark them in the ass too, by the way.

OMG SHADY BUSINESS PRACTICES GET YOU INVESTIGATED! NEWS FLASH!.
 
2013-09-27 07:26:37 PM
Rush blames Obama in 3... 2...
 
2013-09-27 07:28:39 PM
I'm all for anything that makes Rush Limbaugh hurt, but Lumber Liquidators also sponsors NPR programming and frankly there are a shiat ton of evil corporations that could stand to have a raid by a regulatory agency.
 
2013-09-27 07:30:04 PM
In the words of Quentin Tarantino, "Oak's nice."
 
2013-09-27 07:31:07 PM
Lumber Liquidators is a hardwood floor company.
Gibson Guitar is a musical instrument company.
Rush Limbaugh is an overweight white man who spends too much time with island boys.

What is the coincidence? That they are all poor substitutes for a writing desk?
 
2013-09-27 07:36:18 PM

Cletus C.: TuteTibiImperes: I doubt it's a coincidence at all that Rush Limbaugh would choose to do business with companies who play it fast and loose with environmental regulations.

I think he would choose to do business with anybody willing to pay for commercial time on his radio program. Now, Lumber Liquidators is another story. If they advertise with him because of his views on Enviro-Wackos (or whatever he calls them), then you might not be surprised by this.


They also advertised in This Old House magazine.
 
2013-09-27 07:39:19 PM
They're still doing this shiat? Hasn't Gibson learned its lesson?
 
2013-09-27 07:42:14 PM

Delay: What is the coincidence? That they are all poor substitutes for a writing desk?


How is a raven like a writing desk?
 
2013-09-27 07:45:47 PM
*wtfisthisshiat.jpg*
 
2013-09-27 07:46:42 PM
Lumber Liquidators also sponsors NPR, subby. Just sayin'.

I hear them mentioned every time I listen to Wait Wait.
 
2013-09-27 07:48:53 PM
Gibson Guitar, Lumber Liquidators...  What will they raid next, Red Robin?  Maker's Mark?
 
2013-09-27 07:52:17 PM

wxboy: Gibson Guitar, Lumber Liquidators...  What will they raid next, Red Robin?  Maker's Mark?




Possibly Krispy Kreme. Or Dunkin Donuts.
 
2013-09-27 07:56:36 PM

Fjornir: How is a raven like a writing desk?


Both are something written on by Edgar Allen Poe.
 
2013-09-27 07:57:14 PM
 
2013-09-27 07:58:36 PM
They should have given the DNC a bigger contribution and not sponsored Rush Limbaugh.
 
2013-09-27 08:03:37 PM

Fjornir: Delay: What is the coincidence? That they are all poor substitutes for a writing desk?

How is a raven like a writing desk?


She's stark raven mad!!!
 
2013-09-27 08:04:53 PM
i.qkme.me
 
2013-09-27 08:16:38 PM

Fjornir: Delay: What is the coincidence? That they are all poor substitutes for a writing desk?

How is a raven like a writing desk?


I like Fark.
 
2013-09-27 08:21:53 PM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Fjornir: How is a raven like a writing desk?

Both are something written on by Edgar Allen Poe.

No, Lewis Carroll wrote on a writing desk. Poe's Raven quoth "Nevermore" and shunned a writing desk. Here is a link:

Link
 
2013-09-27 08:31:11 PM
So, is this the second time in three years now?
 
2013-09-27 08:36:24 PM
neongoats:
Well considering Gibson was entirely in the wrong,

...except for the part where they weren't.

From GIbson:
"We felt compelled to settle as the costs of proving our case at trial would have cost millions of dollars and taken a very long time to resolve. This allows us to get back to the business of making guitars. An important part of the settlement is that we are getting back the materials seized in a second armed raid on our factories and we have formal acknowledgement that we can continue to source rosewood and ebony fingerboards from India, as we have done for many decades."

Gibson settled with the government in order to be able to keep their business going.

If Gibson was "entirely in the wrong," why did they get that wood back after the settlement?

There were no criminal charges filed against Gibson, by the way... which is weird, since the whole thing was kicked off by a SWAT raid. The whole thing was basically a second-rate paperwork violation, which was completely overblown by some government bureaucrats.
 
2013-09-27 08:37:41 PM
If you deal in exotic hardwoods, the laws are pretty tight. Therefore, it would be in your best interest to keep your documentation on the up-and-up. After what happened at Gibson, you would think that would send a red flag up the pole to all other companies to get their shiat in order right quick.

The industry I'm in deals with government inspections ALL the time - probably more than any other industry in the country. You know what we do?

FOLLOW. THE. FARKING. RULES.

It really doesn't matter if you think the laws are unjust. The time to protest an unjust regulation is not after you get caught doing something illegal; you follow the rules, and in the meantime, petition your lawmakers to change the laws (though I'm sure a big bag of cash is involved in many cases).

That's just the reality we live in. You don't get to stomp your feet like a petulant child and whine about how it's not fair that you got caught doing something you should have known full well would get you in trouble.

I especially don't feel sorry for Gibson knowing that their highest profit-margin products are $10,000 Guitars chock-full of exotic woods that usually get sold to people with more money than talent. They make lots of money off this stuff. They should make sure every T is crossed and every I is dotted when so much profit depends on the sale of these materials.

I'm not a tree-hugger by any means, but man... how hard is it to make sure your documentation is in order? If you have any qualms about who is supplying you, then you don't do business with them because it's not worth the risk. Plain and simple.

/Like Ernie Ball products, myself
//handmade, with maple and basswood... species that are grown in the U.S. - that's the kind of company I want to do business with.
 
2013-09-27 08:43:06 PM

cirby: neongoats:
Well considering Gibson was entirely in the wrong,

...except for the part where they weren't.

From GIbson:
"We felt compelled to settle as the costs of proving our case at trial would have cost millions of dollars and taken a very long time to resolve. This allows us to get back to the business of making guitars. An important part of the settlement is that we are getting back the materials seized in a second armed raid on our factories and we have formal acknowledgement that we can continue to source rosewood and ebony fingerboards from India, as we have done for many decades."

Gibson settled with the government in order to be able to keep their business going.

If Gibson was "entirely in the wrong," why did they get that wood back after the settlement?

There were no criminal charges filed against Gibson, by the way... which is weird, since the whole thing was kicked off by a SWAT raid. The whole thing was basically a second-rate paperwork violation, which was completely overblown by some government bureaucrats.


Apparently you don't really know the entire story. But good on you for pretending.

Hint: a consortium of American guitar manufacturers including all the biggies BUT Gibson refused to buy their exotic hardwoods from X supplier. Because they thought they looked shady and were not harvesting within the law. Gibson said "fark it" and did it anyway, did shady paperwork, imported shady wood, got caught and tried to turn it into a "OH LOOK OBAMAS GETTIN US WHITE SOUTHERN BOYS!". They settled and got their wood back, good on them, but they earned the scrutiny they found themselves under by being dicks.

/bought an SG standard recently, returned it. Was shoddier than a chinese knock off.
 
2013-09-27 08:46:52 PM
It's no surprise that the Obama regime would go after yet another job creator. And you all wonder why we're boycotting this "economy".
 
2013-09-27 08:49:55 PM

cirby: neongoats:

Gibson settled with the government in order to be able to keep their business going.

If Gibson was "entirely in the wrong," why did they get that wood back after the settlement?


Yes, because a settlement is historically synonymous with complete innocence and lack of wrongdoing.
 
2013-09-27 09:05:27 PM

Fjornir: Delay: What is the coincidence? That they are all poor substitutes for a writing desk?

How is a raven like a writing desk?


They both have inky quills.
 
2013-09-27 09:06:50 PM
This sort of thing has been going on for years, I'm sorry to say. Hostess used to advertise during "Dragnet," which starred well-known conservative and loyal American (but I repeat myself) Jack Webb. Shortly thereafter, Hostess was harassed by the federal government on trumped up charges of making false statements in their advertisements - which they did, but that's not relevant. Years later, Hostess went bankrupt. Coincidence? Sure - you keep telling yourself that, if it makes you feel better.
 
2013-09-27 09:19:29 PM

Tyrone Slothrop: They're still doing this shiat? Hasn't Gibson learned its lesson?


i1.ytimg.com
HOW MANY TIMES MUST WE TEACH YOU THIS LESSON, OLD MAN??
 
2013-09-27 09:22:43 PM

themindiswatching: It's no surprise that the Obama regime would go after yet another job creator. And you all wonder why we're boycotting this "economy". Mommy I filled my diaper come quick!


Goddamn can't you farking READ THE POST RIGHT ABOVE YOURS!!??

Hint: a consortium of American guitar manufacturers including all the biggies BUT Gibson refused to buy their exotic hardwoods from X supplier. Because they thought they looked shady and were not harvesting within the law. Gibson said "fark it" and did it anyway, did shady paperwork, imported shady wood, got caught and tried to turn it into a "OH LOOK OBAMAS GETTIN US WHITE SOUTHERN BOYS!". They settled and got their wood back, good on them, but they earned the scrutiny they found themselves under by being dicks.
 
2013-09-27 09:24:18 PM

Fjornir: Delay: What is the coincidence? That they are all poor substitutes for a writing desk?

How is a raven like a writing desk?


I'll have to think about it....


Because the both have quills?
 
2013-09-27 09:25:11 PM
dammit I think my sarc meter is on the fritz
 
2013-09-27 09:29:42 PM
sucks for the tigers but I bet the smaller animals appreciate the fact that they are no longer being tempted to try those sweet, delicious acorns at the risk of death
 
2013-09-27 09:31:52 PM

neongoats: Well considering Gibson was entirely in the wrong, and fark them in the ass too, by the way.


You know who else got farked up the pewper for associating with Pillbaugh?
 
2013-09-27 09:37:34 PM
Politics tab? Is this really a thing? And if so, for who?
 
2013-09-27 09:42:54 PM

theknuckler_33: Politics tab? Is this really a thing? And if so, for who?


Conspiracy nuts.
 
2013-09-27 09:44:01 PM
Lumber Liquidators also sponsors This Old House. So I guess Norm and that new schumck are destroying America too, Libs?
 
2013-09-27 10:11:15 PM

skullkrusher: sucks for the tigers but I bet the smaller animals appreciate the fact that they are no longer being tempted to try those sweet, delicious acorns at the risk of death


Because eliminating apex predators from an ecosystem is so likely to have good results...
 
2013-09-27 10:20:01 PM

Fart_Machine: theknuckler_33: Politics tab? Is this really a thing? And if so, for who?

Conspiracy nuts.


"an editorial published at Investor's Business Daily claims. "

Oh, I see.

/where did I put my drink?
 
2013-09-27 10:21:18 PM
Gibsons are overpriced, and Fender seems to be able to stay legal. And, well, everybody else too.

So fark off, Gibson. I need another right-wing company that thinks they should get to violate the law because dammit they're businessmen! like I need another kidney stone. And your QC sucks.
 
2013-09-27 10:26:35 PM

neongoats: Well considering Gibson was entirely in the wrong, and fark them in the ass too, by the way.

OMG SHADY BUSINESS PRACTICES GET YOU INVESTIGATED! NEWS FLASH!.


Laundering drug money on the other hand still acceptable
 
2013-09-27 10:30:02 PM

Delay: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Fjornir: How is a raven like a writing desk?

Both are something written on by Edgar Allen Poe.

No, Lewis Carroll wrote on a writing desk. Poe's Raven quoth "Nevermore" and shunned a writing desk. Here is a link:

Link


I find you can get any writing done on either.
 
2013-09-27 10:31:16 PM

TuteTibiImperes: skullkrusher: sucks for the tigers but I bet the smaller animals appreciate the fact that they are no longer being tempted to try those sweet, delicious acorns at the risk of death

Because eliminating apex predators from an ecosystem is so likely to have good results...


yeah, the tone of that post was super serious...
 
2013-09-27 10:40:22 PM
"Lumber Liquidators"??

Is there a big market for bankrupt sawmills?
 
2013-09-27 11:23:37 PM

Cletus C.: TuteTibiImperes: I doubt it's a coincidence at all that Rush Limbaugh would choose to do business with companies who play it fast and loose with environmental regulations.

I think he would choose to do business with anybody willing to pay for commercial time on his radio program. Now, Lumber Liquidators is another story. If they advertise with him because of his views on Enviro-Wackos (or whatever he calls them), then you might not be surprised by this.


Too bad LL sells all kinds of eco-friendly products. That stupid Rush. He can't even do evil stuff right.
 
2013-09-27 11:25:04 PM
 
2013-09-27 11:33:48 PM

WTF Indeed: Lumber Liquidators also sponsors This Old House. So I guess Norm and that new schumck are destroying America too, Libs?


I always hated that other guy. WTF? He doesn't look like he could string a plumb bob. He looks like the architect who shows up on the job and can't answer basic questions about details he's left out of his drawings.
 
2013-09-27 11:47:02 PM

WTF Indeed: So I guess Norm and that new schumck are destroying America too, Libs?


The only thing that Norm Abram destroys is a case of beer.
 
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