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2013-09-27 05:48:41 PM
I'm surprised Texas law makes it illegal to marry your cousin. That would certainly improve the Lone Star State's gene pool.
 
2013-09-27 05:54:32 PM
Can I marry my computer?

She is my lover
 
2013-09-27 06:49:21 PM

cman: Can I marry my computer?

She is my lover


This is that slippery slope i heard about.
 
2013-09-27 06:50:37 PM
So, I wonder how many states will allow me to gay marry my cousin.
 
2013-09-27 06:51:16 PM
What about marrying your gay cousin?
 
2013-09-27 06:51:54 PM

MrHappyRotter: So, I wonder how many states will allow me to gay marry my cousin.


Dammit. 1 second. You win.
 
2013-09-27 06:52:19 PM

lockers: cman: Can I marry my computer?

She is my lover

This is that slippery slope i heard about.


She is my beautiful black princess
 
2013-09-27 06:56:19 PM
It's not immediately clear when marriages could begin or whether the state government will appeal to a higher-level state court.
 
Gov. Chris Christie is opposed to gay marriage, and his administration is expected to appeal.


... which incidentally marks the first time Christie has been linked to anything appealing.
 
2013-09-27 06:59:12 PM

lockers: cman: Can I marry my computer?

She is my lover

This is that slippery slope i heard about.


That slippery slope is the monitor. Don't ask why it's slippery. I told you it was my lover.
 
2013-09-27 07:00:36 PM
The church missed a golden opportunity to welcome gays into their fold.
 
2013-09-27 07:03:57 PM
i40.tinypic.com
 
2013-09-27 07:12:33 PM
I wish people would stop using the "Marriage equality" misnomer.

It isn't making all possible types of marriage equal - it is expanding the definition of legal marriage to include another subset. Since there are still so many possible combinations that are illegal, using "marriage equality" is a little disingenuous. At the very least, people should say "same sex marriage equality" - since there isn't any inclusion of other marriage options such as polygamy.

/pet peeve

//yes, I know the term is probably used intentionally to make it seem like those against it are 'against equality'
 
2013-09-27 07:21:27 PM

AirForceVet: I'm surprised Texas law makes it illegal to marry your cousin. That would certainly improve the Lone Star State's gene pool.


I know your mama reproducing with her daddy didn't work out to well. Need to separate the shiat a little more down the family line.
 
2013-09-27 07:24:34 PM
ISO15693

I wish people would stop using the "Marriage equality" misnomer.

I wish bigots and church-simpletons would hurry up and die out already.
 
2013-09-27 07:28:12 PM

studebaker hoch: ISO15693

I wish people would stop using the "Marriage equality" misnomer.

I wish bigots and church-simpletons would hurry up and die out already.


I wish idiots like you would stop pushing an agenda since the late 1980's, saying it's a "civil right."   I can find many former homosexuals, but you cannot find a former black person.  Is is NOT a "civil right."
 
2013-09-27 07:31:39 PM

MBrady: studebaker hoch: ISO15693

I wish people would stop using the "Marriage equality" misnomer.

I wish bigots and church-simpletons would hurry up and die out already.

I wish idiots like you would stop pushing an agenda since the late 1980's, saying it's a "civil right."   I can find many former homosexuals, but you cannot find a former black person.  Is is NOT a "civil right."


Here's a guy who doesn't know shiat about sexuality. Former gays, eh?
 
2013-09-27 07:38:36 PM

AirForceVet: I'm surprised Texas law makes it illegal to marry your cousin. That would certainly improve the Lone Star State's gene pool.


West Virginia apparently prohibits cousin-cousin* marriage, too. When did that happen?

/Assuming "cousin" means "first cousin"
//Fourth is pretty freaking distant
///Kissin' slashies
 
2013-09-27 07:39:03 PM

ISO15693: I wish people would stop using the "Marriage equality" misnomer.

It isn't making all possible types of marriage equal - it is expanding the definition of legal marriage to include another subset. Since there are still so many possible combinations that are illegal, using "marriage equality" is a little disingenuous. At the very least, people should say "same sex marriage equality" - since there isn't any inclusion of other marriage options such as polygamy.

/pet peeve

//yes, I know the term is probably used intentionally to make it seem like those against it are 'against equality'


to be fair, there's not really a reason to involve polygamy at all.  it's a separate issue.  at that point it's a question of whether you can legally be married to more than one person, not who the people getting married ARE.  i think it'd be farking HILARIOUS if utah recognized gay marriage and some BYU frat turned around and got married.  en masse.  wanna join the frat? great, we'll marry you.  yeah, all of us...

i think i'd LITERALLY split my sides from laughing so hard.
/never happen but i'm still giggling about the idea...
 
2013-09-27 07:45:42 PM

MBrady: I can find many former homosexuals


No you can't.  You're finding bisexuals and/or people currently or previously in denial.
 
2013-09-27 07:47:05 PM

Canton: AirForceVet: I'm surprised Texas law makes it illegal to marry your cousin. That would certainly improve the Lone Star State's gene pool.

West Virginia apparently prohibits cousin-cousin* marriage, too. When did that happen?

/Assuming "cousin" means "first cousin"
//Fourth is pretty freaking distant
///Kissin' slashies


yeah, the inbreeding thing is a weird category.  i think a lot of places are like that... if your great-great-grandfathers were siblings, it's entirely possible that you never knew you were related until you met each other's families.  awkward, but depending on how far back you go to find a common ancestor, it gets a LITTLE less strange.  depends on how far you believe the "everyone's 1/1000th related to genghis khan" thing, i guess.
 
2013-09-27 07:48:44 PM

MBrady:   I can find many former homosexuals, but you cannot find a former black person.


2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-09-27 07:50:02 PM

MBrady: studebaker hoch: ISO15693

I wish people would stop using the "Marriage equality" misnomer.

I wish bigots and church-simpletons would hurry up and die out already.

I wish idiots like you would stop pushing an agenda since the late 1980's, saying it's a "civil right."   I can find many former homosexuals, but you cannot find a former black person.  Is is NOT a "civil right."


You can find 'many' of them? Really. Unless you work in the 'conversion' industry, how is that even possible? Do people that you meet casually just mention it in passing? "I used to love dick, but I'm strictly into poon now." You know, I've spent five decades on this planet, and no one ever said anything like that to me.
 
2013-09-27 07:57:36 PM
In Rhode Island a man can marry his niece if they're Orthodox Jews. We'll never have equality in RI until Orthodox Jewish men can marry their nephews. Or Orthodox Jewish women their nephews, or their nieces. (Halakha shmalakha.)

For that matter in the other 49 states marrying one of your sibling's children of either sex should be legal too except for Orthodox Jews. Who said life had to be entirely fair everywhere? Since Rhode Island insists on being exceptional let them continue to carry that distinction. Then once we have a federal law that every state has to recognize every other states' marriages, even if they're not legal there, RI can build a tourist industry centering around gay and/or incestuous marriages for Orthodox Jews. What else is there to do in Rhode Island, especially for Orthodox Jews?

By the way, rum-spiked lemonade and Andre Cold Duck are wonderful libations. I heartily recommend them. Even if you're not an anti-Semitic old coot.


P.S. If you think I'm drunkenly trolling incestophobic anti-anti-Semites you might not be totally wrong, though I do believe & think what I post. Is there any rule that a troll can't be sincere?

P.P.S. I don't think I hate the Jewish people, nor do I hate any individual because s/he is a Jew, nor do I see heaping as much scorn on the religion of Judaism as on any other religion the equivalent of wanting to shove every Jew into the ovens. In fact one of the worst things about Lexington KY, or any part of Kentucky, is there are so few Jews and fewer that stand out as "obvious" Jews, and that not just because I always loved kosher delis and think Jewish chicks are tres hawt. But if your life is so dull and/or sad that calling me an anti-Semite brightens your day then go ahead: it costs me nothing and it takes no additional effort on my part. In fact y'all can feel free to call me anything you want, especially if your aim is to make me feel sorry for you, as I generally feel sorry for people whose lives suck so badly they have to make a special point of noticing me. However if you want me to pity and like you it'd be better to send me money and/or to show up in Lexington KY and offer me a free BJ (which would be my first beej in about 15 years, if it helps you to blow me to feel sorry for me; it's easier to panhandle for some reason). Okay? Okay.

P.P.P.S. I'm glad Andre Cold Duck is well within my budget and that it's always in stock at the Rite Aid down the street so I can drink more of this bottle with a clear conscience. "Coma?" What is that?
 
2013-09-27 07:57:38 PM

cynicalminion: Canton: AirForceVet: I'm surprised Texas law makes it illegal to marry your cousin. That would certainly improve the Lone Star State's gene pool.

West Virginia apparently prohibits cousin-cousin* marriage, too. When did that happen?

/Assuming "cousin" means "first cousin"
//Fourth is pretty freaking distant
///Kissin' slashies

yeah, the inbreeding thing is a weird category.  i think a lot of places are like that... if your great-great-grandfathers were siblings, it's entirely possible that you never knew you were related until you met each other's families.  awkward, but depending on how far back you go to find a common ancestor, it gets a LITTLE less strange.  depends on how far you believe the "everyone's 1/1000th related to genghis khan" thing, i guess.


It is. Heck, my grandma and her boyfriend (same age, okay?) are fourth cousins. They had no idea, until fairly recently, and they've known each other since they were children. And my grandma is a genealogy enthusiast. Can't remember who exactly figured it out.

Even if they weren't in their late 80s, inbreeding probably wouldn't be an issue at that point, genetically speaking.

/Small towns, man...
 
2013-09-27 08:00:14 PM

MBrady: I can find many former homosexuals...


...at the gay bar.
 
2013-09-27 08:04:53 PM
Nothing against marriage equality. But there's nothing wrong with cousins marrying, either. It's a common but mistaken belief that it heightens the risk of genetic diseases.
 
2013-09-27 08:17:25 PM

Mentalpatient87: MBrady: studebaker hoch: ISO15693

I wish people would stop using the "Marriage equality" misnomer.

I wish bigots and church-simpletons would hurry up and die out already.

I wish idiots like you would stop pushing an agenda since the late 1980's, saying it's a "civil right."   I can find many former homosexuals, but you cannot find a former black person.  Is is NOT a "civil right."

Here's a guy who doesn't know shiat about sexuality. Former gays, eh?


It's been at least 25 years since I had sexual contact with another guy -- mainly because after my troubled youth I'm pickier with guys than I know how to be with chicks -- but I'd still suck a cute guy's dick if he asked me politely. I might even ask him if I can, politely. So what kind of "former gays" are we talking about, the kind who just haven't met the right guy in a long time or the kind who's sworn it off like I quit cigarettes? And do I get any points for getting so old, fat & ugly that few guys I'd want to blow would want me to blow them anyway?

As for "civil rights," since people can get sex changes and dye their hair does that mean it's okay to hire only cute young blonds of a particular sex with great legs with good oral skills? Shouldn't civil rights apply to every member of society? (Well not every member: I don't think every convicted child rapist who's admitted to being a pedophile has a civil right to supervise children, though I don't think that should stop him from digging ditches in North Dakota.) Or don't you know that the Plessy of Plessy v. Ferguson was 7/8 white and could easily have passed for all white, who could have moved to another state and been an "ex-Negro?"

If anybody asks me I'll say MBrady's comment sounds like an example of anti-gay bigotry.
 
2013-09-27 08:45:34 PM

AirForceVet: I'm surprised Texas law makes it illegal to marry your cousin. That would certainly improve the Lone Star State's gene pool.


Says the turd from Alabama. No, really, Alabama!
 
2013-09-27 08:47:20 PM
"In April 2002, the Journal of Genetic Counseling released a report which estimated the average risk of birth defects in a child born of first cousins at 1.7-2.8% over an average base risk for non-cousin couples of 3%, or about the same as that of any woman over age 40.[185] In terms of mortality, a 1994 study found a mean excess pre-reproductive mortality rate of 4.4%,[186] While another study published in 2009 suggests the rate may be closer to 3.5%.[1] Put differently, first-cousin marriage entails a similar increased risk of birth defects and mortality as a woman faces when she gives birth at age 41 rather than at 30.[187] Critics argue that banning first-cousin marriages would make as much sense as trying to ban childbearing by older women."

/'pedia
 
2013-09-27 09:07:50 PM

Huggermugger: MBrady: studebaker hoch: ISO15693

I wish people would stop using the "Marriage equality" misnomer.

I wish bigots and church-simpletons would hurry up and die out already.

I wish idiots like you would stop pushing an agenda since the late 1980's, saying it's a "civil right."   I can find many former homosexuals, but you cannot find a former black person.  Is is NOT a "civil right."

You can find 'many' of them? Really. Unless you work in the 'conversion' industry, how is that even possible? Do people that you meet casually just mention it in passing? "I used to love dick, but I'm strictly into poon now." You know, I've spent five decades on this planet, and no one ever said anything like that to me.


"I used to be all about Microsoft's Windows products. That new ribbon thing in Word is just amazing! But I'm all about Apple now and can't wait to spend my life savings on the next iPhone. Mostly because it's really important that when I communicate with people that they see that 'Sent from my iPhone' message... Oh wait. I'm not kidding anybody, am I?"

/that's about how much sense that argument makes to me. If two people actually want to get MARRIED, then let them marry. Otherwise, just start a tradition of allowing Bridezillas to have a "wedding" without marriage being invoked.
 
2013-09-27 09:21:05 PM

Canton: West Virginia apparently prohibits cousin-cousin* marriage, too. When did that happen?


It was a threat to the dignity of sibling marriage.
 
2013-09-27 09:56:01 PM
I'm guessing we'll be hearing the Christie administration decrying this "activist judge" for usurping the will of the people of New Jersey, despite the fact that the legislature PASSED gay marriage and it was Christie who went against the will of the people by vetoing that measure.
 
2013-09-27 10:21:15 PM
Hashtag of states? WTF is this nonsense, that's not even trending.
 
2013-09-27 10:42:10 PM

MBrady: studebaker hoch: ISO15693

I wish people would stop using the "Marriage equality" misnomer.

I wish bigots and church-simpletons would hurry up and die out already.

I wish idiots like you would stop pushing an agenda since the late 1980's, saying it's a "civil right."   I can find many former homosexuals, but you cannot find a former black person.  Is is NOT a "civil right."


Nonsense - why, I , myself am formerly black.
I stopped being black when I was informed that I could not get a table dance.
 
2013-09-27 11:34:00 PM
Blind people are only allowed to hunt in Texas and Michigan, and Texas requires a sighted guide.
 
2013-09-28 12:28:06 AM
Gay marriage does not run the risk of inbreeding.
Cousin marriage runs the risk of monarchies, idiots, and really uncomfortable thanksgiving dinners.

Seems fairly simple.

// I dont care who marries, as long as it is consensual.
/ gay weddings are awesome
 
2013-09-28 12:41:20 AM

Mentalpatient87: MBrady: studebaker hoch: ISO15693

I wish people would stop using the "Marriage equality" misnomer.

I wish bigots and church-simpletons would hurry up and die out already.

I wish idiots like you would stop pushing an agenda since the late 1980's, saying it's a "civil right."   I can find many former homosexuals, but you cannot find a former black person.  Is is NOT a "civil right."

Here's a guy who doesn't know shiat about sexuality. Former gays, eh?


I'm a non-practicing queer, so keep amusing me with your wit.

cynicalminion: ISO15693: I wish people would stop using the "Marriage equality" misnomer.

It isn't making all possible types of marriage equal - it is expanding the definition of legal marriage to include another subset. Since there are still so many possible combinations that are illegal, using "marriage equality" is a little disingenuous. At the very least, people should say "same sex marriage equality" - since there isn't any inclusion of other marriage options such as polygamy.

/pet peeve

//yes, I know the term is probably used intentionally to make it seem like those against it are 'against equality'

to be fair, there's not really a reason to involve polygamy at all.  it's a separate issue.  at that point it's a question of whether you can legally be married to more than one person, not who the people getting married ARE.  i think it'd be farking HILARIOUS if utah recognized gay marriage and some BYU frat turned around and got married.  en masse.  wanna join the frat? great, we'll marry you.  yeah, all of us...

i think i'd LITERALLY split my sides from laughing so hard.
/never happen but i'm still giggling about the idea...


I live in Washington State, and I would like to get married into a group of at least 17.

Because we would get state health insurance for $600, and welfare, but we would have to keep our monthly income under $25,000.

Besides, I am The Attention Whore, so there's that.
 
2013-09-28 03:58:21 AM
Ironically enough, the government choosing to deny marriage benefits to civil unions/domestic partnerships is a huge benefit to gay marriage because it destroys any "separate by equal"/"marriage by another name" arguments, as is currently the case in New Jersey, Federal refusal to recognize them means the unions are disadvantaged to marriage and unconstitutional. Yay for terrible government positions actually having a good outcome.
 
2013-09-28 09:18:04 AM

AirForceVet: I'm surprised Texas law makes it illegal to marry your cousin. That would certainly improve the Lone Star State's gene pool.


Nah, in Texas cousins aren't closely related enough.
 
2013-09-28 10:22:47 AM

MrHappyRotter: So, I wonder how many states will allow me to gay marry my cousin.


The govt has no right to tell anyone who they can marry. If you wanna have 3 eyed monkey fish frog babies that's your decision.
 
2013-09-28 12:21:00 PM

bigskank: I'm guessing we'll be hearing the Christie administration decrying this "activist judge" for usurping the will of the people of New Jersey, despite the fact that the legislature PASSED gay marriage and it was Christie who went against the will of the people by vetoing that measure.


This. I'm one of those liberals who defended Christie..at first. But as time goes on, he just shows more and more how much of a partisan hack he is.
 
2013-09-28 01:10:34 PM

ArcadianRefugee: "In April 2002, the Journal of Genetic Counseling released a report which estimated the average risk of birth defects in a child born of first cousins at 1.7-2.8% over an average base risk for non-cousin couples of 3%, or about the same as that of any woman over age 40.[185] In terms of mortality, a 1994 study found a mean excess pre-reproductive mortality rate of 4.4%,[186] While another study published in 2009 suggests the rate may be closer to 3.5%.[1] Put differently, first-cousin marriage entails a similar increased risk of birth defects and mortality as a woman faces when she gives birth at age 41 rather than at 30.[187] Critics argue that banning first-cousin marriages would make as much sense as trying to ban childbearing by older women."

/'pedia


i think part of the inbreeding thing is the recessive genetics, where it's not so much frequency of the defects, but you get two parents transmitting the genes for alot NASTIER stuff...
 
2013-09-28 02:09:00 PM

Gentoolive: MrHappyRotter: So, I wonder how many states will allow me to gay marry my cousin.

The govt has no right to tell anyone who they can marry. If you wanna have 3 eyed monkey fish frog babies that's your decision.


Not if yo're going to turn around and ask the government to support that disaster.
 
2013-09-28 02:51:47 PM

MrHappyRotter: So, I wonder how many states will allow me to gay marry my cousin.


Incest and the solution to incest in one neat little package.
 
2013-09-28 11:31:23 PM
Do you get something special if you marry your gay cousin?

/other than the obvious . . .
 
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