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2013-09-27 02:41:27 PM  
Know who else compared his critics to Hitler?   Hitler.

"Nazi Germany? Why, that's my least favorite kind of Germany!"
 
2013-09-27 02:43:58 PM  
Did he eat the elephant?
No, he is no "hunter".


I don't get these guys who kill things for fun. What are you trying to prove? You are the top of the food chain? In my mind you are no better than the geeky kid in his mom's basement circumventing anti-cheat code so he can be superior in a FPS game, just so he can say, "I killed that".

It's one thing to use the meat for you and your family. In the US, it's an alternative to high food prices. It's also a necessity in some places. But for the most part, hunting is a pussy sport. Your technology wins the kill, not you. You want to hunt for real sport? How about going after a deer with a spear?

I really hope this guy hunts with Dick Cheney.
 
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2013-09-27 02:45:02 PM  
So Hitler was against killing things?  Let's slaughter some elephants!
 
2013-09-27 02:50:35 PM  
"I'm a hunter!  I shoot anything that moves!"
 
2013-09-27 02:50:55 PM  
There's something wrong with this person. Maybe a mental illness worming around in his brain.
 
2013-09-27 03:46:52 PM  
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Never forget
 
2013-09-27 03:49:56 PM  
Trophy hunters are down there with competitive eaters and health insurance company CEOs on the Scum of the Universe scale.
 
2013-09-27 03:55:38 PM  
i42.tinypic.com

"It's coming right for us!!!"
 
2013-09-27 04:29:42 PM  
I really wish sane hunters and shooters would dump the NRA and join a group for non-lunatic enthusiasts.
 
2013-09-27 04:32:15 PM  
Yeah, that's the NRA.
 
2013-09-27 04:40:38 PM  
Some people have been in mono-thinking cultures for so long that they really are completely shocked to find out there are alternate, valid points of view.
 
2013-09-27 04:42:33 PM  
"And they said, 'but [elephants are] so big and special and they're smarter,'" Makris recalled of a recent discussion with a detractor. "And I went, 'you know, Hitler would have said the same thing.'"

I'm trying to decide what's dumber .... this guy's statement, or the NBC Network exec who thought it would be a good idea to show him shooting Dumbo in the face on their airwaves (just don't show a woman's nipple, whatever you do).
 
2013-09-27 04:46:47 PM  
I was under the impression that hunters hunted for the game, and actually put some of the carcass to use.
And I was under the impression that sportsman utilized their weapons to hone their skills with said weapon, on targets and pigeons and the like.

Not sure how shooting an elephant in the face qualifies the man as either.
 
2013-09-27 04:47:27 PM  

JohnAnnArbor: Some people have been in mono-thinking cultures for so long that they really are completely shocked to find out there are alternate, valid points of view.


Perhaps. But I also don't believe all points of view are equally valid, just because it's an alternative point of view.
 
2013-09-27 04:49:22 PM  
"I hunt all things". Yeah okay, Dexter.
 
2013-09-27 04:50:16 PM  
Maybe the problem is  they're farking endangered. Goddammit.
 
2013-09-27 04:50:34 PM  

Calmamity: Trophy hunters are down there with competitive eaters and health insurance company CEOs on the Scum of the Universe scale.


Competitive eaters?  Like the tall, skinny guy that ate the 5lb burrito in less than a minute on Man vs Food?
 
2013-09-27 04:50:48 PM  
I'm from New Hampshire, and grew up poor. I have no problem with hunting- but if you don't eat what you kill, you're just spree killing for shiats and grins. You're not a hunter- you're a douchebag with a gun.
 
2013-09-27 04:50:50 PM  
Didn't pay too much attention to the original story, but did he at least donate the meat to a tribe or something that could make use of it?  If he just took out Dumbo for the sake of saying he took down an elephant then he's a cock.

I have no problem with hunting if it's being done, at least partly, for food.  For bragging rights I can't support it.
 
2013-09-27 04:53:08 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: "I hunt all things". Yeah okay, Dexter.


I'm okay with hunting. I'm not okay with using hunting as some psychosexual affirmation of your prowess as a BIG ALPHA MALE WHO DOESN'T TAKE CRAP FROM ANYONE AND ALWAYS GETS THE BIGGEST PIECE OF MEAT AT THE TABLE OF HIS 1950S NUCLEAR FAMILY ENRICHED BY 1980S PSEUDO-SUN TSU BUSINESS PSYCHOBABBLE HOOOOOAGH!
 
2013-09-27 04:58:12 PM  

Bonkthat_Again: Did he eat the elephant?
No, he is no "hunter".


I don't get these guys who kill things for fun. What are you trying to prove? You are the top of the food chain? In my mind you are no better than the geeky kid in his mom's basement circumventing anti-cheat code so he can be superior in a FPS game, just so he can say, "I killed that".

It's one thing to use the meat for you and your family. In the US, it's an alternative to high food prices. It's also a necessity in some places. But for the most part, hunting is a pussy sport. Your technology wins the kill, not you. You want to hunt for real sport? How about going after a deer with a spear?

I really hope this guy hunts with Dick Cheney.


CSB: My grandfather served in World War II and became a very skilled marksman.  A few years after he came home, a few of his friends took him on a hunting trip.  They came across a small herd of deer, and by his own account he could have easily shot and killed every single deer in the herd, but he didn't fire a single shot because the whole situation, in his words, "just didn't seem fair."

In his later years, he fell into the "Religious Right" movement, but never became obsessed with hoarding guns and ammo like so many modern right-wingers.
 
2013-09-27 04:59:46 PM  

Bonkthat_Again: Did he eat the elephant?
No, he is no "hunter".


I don't get these guys who kill things for fun. What are you trying to prove? You are the top of the food chain? In my mind you are no better than the geeky kid in his mom's basement circumventing anti-cheat code so he can be superior in a FPS game, just so he can say, "I killed that".

It's one thing to use the meat for you and your family. In the US, it's an alternative to high food prices. It's also a necessity in some places. But for the most part, hunting is a pussy sport. Your technology wins the kill, not you. You want to hunt for real sport? How about going after a deer with a spear?

I really hope this guy hunts with Dick Cheney.


ill see you this guy
and raise you "european deer farms"
 
2013-09-27 05:00:35 PM  
What hacks people off is these guys doing the goddam sack-dance and acting like the pretty girl they just screwed wasn't a hooker.  It's the complete and utter classlessness and some degree of empathy that you've just taken a sentient beings life, even if for the very best of reasons.  People know where their hamburger comes from - they just resent clowns like this and their "in your face, hippies!" bullshiate.  This guys not a "hunter", he's a narcissistic borderline sociopath.
 
2013-09-27 05:00:52 PM  
"The short answer is because hungry people eat them and because I'm a hunter,"   So yeah it sounds like he donated the meat.  He made a good argument and a snarky quote about Hitler that was actually funny.

Oh but my butt hurts I want to be angry!!!
 
2013-09-27 05:01:54 PM  

Bloody William: A Dark Evil Omen: "I hunt all things". Yeah okay, Dexter.

I'm okay with hunting. I'm not okay with using hunting as some psychosexual affirmation of your prowess as a BIG ALPHA MALE WHO DOESN'T TAKE CRAP FROM ANYONE AND ALWAYS GETS THE BIGGEST PIECE OF MEAT AT THE TABLE OF HIS 1950S NUCLEAR FAMILY ENRICHED BY 1980S PSEUDO-SUN TSU BUSINESS PSYCHOBABBLE HOOOOOAGH!


I'm fine with hunting too! I grew up hunting. I learned to clean and butcher a moose at age 12. I'm out of practice but I used to be a pretty good shot. This guy? This guy is... well, all that stuff you said, and also someone I wouldn't trust around me with a gun because his attitude is wholly irresponsible.
 
2013-09-27 05:08:09 PM  

bestie1: "The short answer is because hungry people eat them and because I'm a hunter,"   So yeah it sounds like he donated the meat.  He made a good argument and a snarky quote about Hitler that was actually funny.

Oh but my butt hurts I want to be angry!!!


Most of the people that go on these exotic hunts are complete douchebags, but spending exorbitant sums for the privilege of shooting an animal pumps a lot of money into local economies in developing regions, and the locals almost always end up with the meat. They're still douchebags, but at least someone benefits from it. And on the plus side, it's less dangerous for the tour guides than, say, getting a dentist that has never had crampons on before up to the summit of Mt. Everest
 
2013-09-27 05:08:30 PM  
i.huffpost.com
 He has a point, let's go hunt some elephants.
 
2013-09-27 05:10:20 PM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: bestie1: "The short answer is because hungry people eat them and because I'm a hunter,"   So yeah it sounds like he donated the meat.  He made a good argument and a snarky quote about Hitler that was actually funny.

Oh but my butt hurts I want to be angry!!!

Most of the people that go on these exotic hunts are complete douchebags, but spending exorbitant sums for the privilege of shooting an animal pumps a lot of money into local economies in developing regions, and the locals almost always end up with the meat. They're still douchebags, but at least someone benefits from it. And on the plus side, it's less dangerous for the tour guides than, say, getting a dentist that has never had crampons on before up to the summit of Mt. Everest


At least the dentist has skin in the game
 
2013-09-27 05:10:32 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: Bloody William: A Dark Evil Omen: "I hunt all things". Yeah okay, Dexter.

I'm okay with hunting. I'm not okay with using hunting as some psychosexual affirmation of your prowess as a BIG ALPHA MALE WHO DOESN'T TAKE CRAP FROM ANYONE AND ALWAYS GETS THE BIGGEST PIECE OF MEAT AT THE TABLE OF HIS 1950S NUCLEAR FAMILY ENRICHED BY 1980S PSEUDO-SUN TSU BUSINESS PSYCHOBABBLE HOOOOOAGH!

I'm fine with hunting too! I grew up hunting. I learned to clean and butcher a moose at age 12. I'm out of practice but I used to be a pretty good shot. This guy? This guy is... well, all that stuff you said, and also someone I wouldn't trust around me with a gun because his attitude is wholly irresponsible.


"Hunting" elephants? Really? There is little of the traditional skill-set of hunting involved in "hunting" elephants. The only reason to "hunt" elephants is to attempt to compensate for something you seem to be missing from between your legs. Go hunt a Cape buffalo. With a knife. Now *there* is a challenge.
 
2013-09-27 05:12:56 PM  
Are there any NRA lobbyists who aren't batshait crazy assholes?
 
2013-09-27 05:15:00 PM  
I swear I thought this type of trophy hunting ended 100 years ago
 
2013-09-27 05:15:00 PM  

Cinaed: I was under the impression that hunters hunted for the game, and actually put some of the carcass to use.
And I was under the impression that sportsman utilized their weapons to hone their skills with said weapon, on targets and pigeons and the like.

Not sure how shooting an elephant in the face qualifies the man as either.


Well he killed the elephant with a gun and donated the meat. He said as much in the article. I hunt, but I also eat what I hunt and give some to family. I can't say I'd go out to do trophy hunting, but it's legal, a boost to the local economies, and hopefully kept in check by the local conservation agency. The last part is really the only sticking point with me for trophy hunting. That plus poaching can keep numbers of endangered, not necessarily locally, down.
 
2013-09-27 05:16:57 PM  

Bonkthat_Again: Did he eat the elephant?
No, he is no "hunter".


I don't get these guys who kill things for fun. What are you trying to prove? You are the top of the food chain? In my mind you are no better than the geeky kid in his mom's basement circumventing anti-cheat code so he can be superior in a FPS game, just so he can say, "I killed that".

It's one thing to use the meat for you and your family. In the US, it's an alternative to high food prices. It's also a necessity in some places. But for the most part, hunting is a pussy sport. Your technology wins the kill, not you. You want to hunt for real sport? How about going after a deer with a spear?

I really hope this guy hunts with Dick Cheney.


I came here to say all of that...

FTFA: "The short answer is because hungry people eat them and because I'm a hunter," he said. "You know, I'm not an elephant hunter. I'm a hunter. I hunt all things."

So.... did you allow the brown people to come and eat the elephant, Mr Smallcock?

/Not a hunter, but have allowed my cats to try to hunt rabbits - they've been very close to catching.
/Using one introduced pest species that has damaged the Australian environment to hunt another...
 
2013-09-27 05:24:20 PM  

calufrax: So.... did you allow the brown people to come and eat the elephant, Mr Smallcock?


I keep thinking of this scene for some reason.
 
2013-09-27 05:24:24 PM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: bestie1: "The short answer is because hungry people eat them and because I'm a hunter,"   So yeah it sounds like he donated the meat.  He made a good argument and a snarky quote about Hitler that was actually funny.

Oh but my butt hurts I want to be angry!!!

Most of the people that go on these exotic hunts are complete douchebags, but spending exorbitant sums for the privilege of shooting an animal pumps a lot of money into local economies in developing regions, and the locals almost always end up with the meat. They're still douchebags, but at least someone benefits from it. And on the plus side, it's less dangerous for the tour guides than, say, getting a dentist that has never had crampons on before up to the summit of Mt. Everest


Whatever dollars the locals make., it's short sighted.  Only a very, very small percentage of their tourism dollars come from big game hunters.     The vast, vast, vast majority of their tourist money comes from traditional safaris and wildlife viewing.    Kenya almost decimated their tourism industry by letting big game hunters nearly wipe out their elephant populations in the 70s.
 
2013-09-27 05:25:34 PM  

bearded clamorer: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 300x400]

Never forget


Rudyard Kipling's bookplate? Who forgets?
 
2013-09-27 05:26:54 PM  
I just recently re-read Animal Farm so I am getting a kick ...

"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others"
 
2013-09-27 05:29:32 PM  
It's horrible to allow elephant hunting. They're smart, sensitive creatures. Go shoot deer. Got millions of those. And they're dumb as rocks, but tastier. Who the hell eats elephant meat?
 
2013-09-27 05:37:19 PM  
To be fair it is really hard to shoot an elephant, if you're an idiot. So congrats.
 
2013-09-27 05:39:32 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: I really wish sane hunters and shooters would dump the NRA and join a group for non-lunatic enthusiasts.


A lot of them do, especially when they realize that the NRA is a lobbyist for gun manufacturers, not gun owners/hunters/etc.  The NRA just wants its constituents to be able to sell more guns.
 
2013-09-27 05:39:45 PM  
When you cite 'animal racism' and compare your critics with Hitler to justify your shooting an elephant, or think this a perfectly sane argument, it's time to re-evaluate endyour life

FTFY
 
2013-09-27 05:41:24 PM  
ClavellBCMI:

"Hunting" elephants? Really? There is little of the traditional skill-set of hunting involved in "hunting" elephants. The only reason to "hunt" elephants is to attempt to compensate for something you seem to be missing from between your legs. Go hunt a Cape buffalo. With a knife. Now *there* is a challenge.

Preferably one that has been shot at in the past.  Those motherfarkers have looooong memories and hold a grudge.
 
2013-09-27 05:42:12 PM  
I want to take out an entire colony of pamguins wirh an Apache attack helicoptor. You know, for sport. I'll even let Nanook and his buds to pick up some of the pieces so its all for a good cuase. Why are you people getting so pissy?
 
2013-09-27 05:44:16 PM  
I would like to see a show where Africans hunt this guy.
 
2013-09-27 05:46:48 PM  

manbart: I want to take out an entire colony of pamguins wirh an Apache attack helicoptor. You know, for sport. I'll even let Nanook and his buds to pick up some of the pieces so its all for a good cuase. Why are you people getting so pissy?


Pffft, this winter I'm renting a Typhoon class sub from Russia to go and take down some blue whales.  Largest animal on the planet, whatever.  A couple of torpedoes to the face will show them who's tops around here.
 
2013-09-27 05:51:40 PM  
Cinaed:Not sure how shooting an elephant in the face qualifies the man as either.

It turns out that if you don't shoot the elephant in the exact right spot in the face it walks over and stamps you into the ground.  Elephants are very bullet resistant, and don't take very kindly to being shot at.
 
2013-09-27 05:54:49 PM  

Bonkthat_Again: Did he eat the elephant?
No, he is no "hunter".


I don't get these guys who kill things for fun. What are you trying to prove? You are the top of the food chain? In my mind you are no better than the geeky kid in his mom's basement circumventing anti-cheat code so he can be superior in a FPS game, just so he can say, "I killed that".

It's one thing to use the meat for you and your family. In the US, it's an alternative to high food prices. It's also a necessity in some places. But for the most part, hunting is a pussy sport. Your technology wins the kill, not you. You want to hunt for real sport? How about going after a deer with a spear?

I really hope this guy hunts with Dick Cheney.


Are you mad at me for fishing too? I do eat most of the keepers, but I enjoy it beyond simple food collection.

Would hunting a deer with a spear not also be 'technology winning'? If not, why not?
 
2013-09-27 05:56:36 PM  
I have no problem with hunting if you eat it, and use the skin or fur. I do have a problem with faux hunting, namely taking an Uzi and blasting the shiat out of everything.

You want to hunt something big for your trophy room? Fine. Here's a damn hunting knife; that's all you get. Oh, let's be generous, you can have a horse and manual crossbow. Have at it. Don't forget that your potential prey have ways of defending themselves too.
 
2013-09-27 05:57:46 PM  

Learned Hand Job: Lionel Mandrake: I really wish sane hunters and shooters would dump the NRA and join a group for non-lunatic enthusiasts.

A lot of them do, especially when they realize that the NRA is a lobbyist for gun manufacturers, not gun owners/hunters/etc.  The NRA just wants its constituents to be able to sell more guns.


That's why most of the NRAs money comes from manufacturers and not members!
 
2013-09-27 06:04:00 PM  

calufrax: So.... did you allow the brown people to come and eat the elephant, Mr Smallcock?


It is pretty common with these trophy hunts to donate the meat, and he was in Botswana.

Eleanor man's elephant feeds a village
 
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