Nurglitch: FloydA: Nurglitch: What if they just teach it as "mostly, contingently, and as far as we knew, kinda true," rather than TRUTH?What if they each religious beliefs in church, and science in science classes?Evolution happens. Evolution has happened. Evolution will continue to happen as long as there are organisms that reproduce. If the creationists can't deal with that simple fact, that's their problem.Well, we think it happens, and it kinda looks like it happened, and it's a really good, useful explanation for things happening, but calling it a 'fact' is kind of antithetical to the point of science.
parasol: truly frightening the quotes in tfareads like - my faith and parenting are weak - therefore, you may not expose my child to anything scientific I may have to explain - or anybody else's child because Jesusalso science fair projects invite the Devil's fire right up to the kitchen table - why else would so many of them feature Volcanos?
Weaver95: These people are embarrassingly stupid and weirdly proud of it.
super_grass: Luckily for them, the hard core post-modernists are also starting to reject empiricism because of "privilege" and "social constructs".Looks like all derp converges at the top.
Nurglitch: What if they just teach it as "mostly, contingently, and as far as we knew, kinda true," rather than TRUTH?
SkinnyHead: "It has been the error of the schools to teach astronomy, and all the other sciences and subjects of natural philosophy, as accomplishments only; whereas they should be taught theologically, or with reference to the Being who is the author of them: for all the principles of science are of divine origin. Man cannot make, or invent, or contrive principles. He can only discover them; and he ought to look through the discovery to the Author." ~ Thomas Paine.
vudukungfu: We need to start treating Christians just like their ululating wacko babby raping worshiper counterparts that squat in the desert.They are 100% the same kind of ignorant philistine schizospiritual terrorists andthey havenothing to offer society or civilizationexcept for patented fear and prejudice.There is no place for them on this earth but an insaneasylum.And whenarmed, they are a clear and present danger to all around.Period.
Nurglitch: See, what you're not getting is that scientists and lay-people use the term "fact" differently, and that some people take the notion of fact as Fact, as in something universal and absolute. In other words, literally, you're talking about different things using the same words and although it looks like you're having a conversation (hence the appearance of disagreement), you're actually not talking about the same thing at all.
EWreckedSean: Off the subject, but saying science is true is a bit of a misnomer too. Scientific theories, which are the strongest of scientific facts, are often shown to be not 100% accurate (e.g. special relativity to general relativity).
boue67: Can someone explain to me how these peoples are that different from the Talibans?
busy chillin': This is stupid. But it seems you let the teacher teach science, and then sometime during the year the teachers says "Also, Christians believe God created the universe and all living creatures. There is no proof of this. A pastor and the church of your choice can expand upon these ideas. Now, onto ionic bonding."
Schools are like polling places. And religion is like a penis. It's OK to have one. It's OK to be proud of it.It is NOT OK to wave it around in public.
Blues_X: I hope a teacher starts telling students about the Hindu view of creation.
SkinnyHead: rinosaurus: I also don't think Paine would have gone along with Christian creationism being taught in the first place.No, but Paine would have supported the scientific theory of Intelligent Design. And he certainly would not approve of efforts to prohibit students from learning about Intelligent Design in schools. He and Jefferson would insist that students should at least have the opportunity to learn of the controversy and of the differing views, so that they should be permitted to think and decide for themselves. Most reasonable people think so too.
EWreckedSean: FloydA: EWreckedSean: mgshamster: EWreckedSean: Off the subject, but saying science is true is a bit of a misnomer too. Scientific theories, which are the strongest of scientific facts, are often shown to be not 100% accurate (e.g. special relativity to general relativity).The bold is blatantly false. Theories are explanations of facts, they are not just "stronger facts."I would suggest you google scientific fact...mgshamster is right. A theory is not a fact and never can be. A theory is (minimally) a set of postulates that are logically consistent and are intended to explain the cause and effect relationships between observations. Since theories are ideas, they cannot be directly observed or measured, so they do not fit the definition of "facts" as it is usually understood.You are correct that scientific theories are believable, and we can generally be pretty confident that they are correct, but they are neither a "superior" nor an "inferior" kind of knowledge than facts are. Facts are the "stuff" that we want to explain, and theories are the explanations that we use to make sense of the stuff.You are confusing a theory with a scientific theory. They are not interchangeable.
unexplained bacon: [www.creationism.org image 720x375][www.creationism.org image 720x375]such wit simply could not have evolved from apes
super_grass: Oh shiat, I forgot about this gem of a webcomic:[www.answersingenesis.org image 291x324]
mgshamster: Theories are explanations of facts, they are not just "stronger facts."
Benchmark SC.3.N.3.1: Recognize that words in science can have different or more specific meanings than their use in everyday language; for example, energy, cell, heat/cold, and evidence. Benchmark SC.6.N.3.1: Recognize and explain that a scientific theory is a well-supported and widely accepted explanation of nature and is not simply a claim posed by an individual. Thus, the use of the term theory in science is very different than how it is used in everyday life. Benchmark SC.912.N.3.1: Explain that a scientific theory is the culmination of many scientific investigations drawing together all the current evidence concerning a substantial range of phenomena; thus, a scientific theory represents the most powerful explanation scientists have to offer.
Lord_Baull: How strong is your faith if science creates a hostile environment? More importantly, how great is your God if you are incapable of using the brain he gave you?
dletter: Speaker2Animals: Brad Dachus of Pacific Justice complained that is a violation of a child's rights to teach them that Creationism isn't the truth.Which f*cking religion are you talking about, moran? I went to a Catholic high school and learned about evolution in freshman biology, and was taught the creation story in Genesis was allegory.Evangelicals.... Catholics are practically athiests compared to them.
HotWingConspiracy: There are religious schools you can send your fat children to, bootstrap that shiat.
vudukungfu: Schools are like polling places. And religion is like a penis. It's OK to have one. It's OK to be proud of it.It is NOT OK to wave it around in public.
vudukungfu: qorkfiend: Question. Is there a judicial test to determine what does and does not qualify as a religion?Is it based on peer reviewed science or an invisible friend?
qorkfiend: Question. Is there a judicial test to determine what does and does not qualify as a religion?
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