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(The Raw Story)   Christian groups sue to keep Kansas schools from teaching science as if it's true   (rawstory.com) divider line 247
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2013-09-27 12:22:55 PM
These people are embarrassingly stupid and weirdly proud of it.
 
2013-09-27 12:26:41 PM

Weaver95: These people are embarrassingly stupid and weirdly proud of it.


And also really non-self-aware: FTFA:

"The statement went on to say that "teaching the materialistic/atheistic ideas to primary school children whose minds are susceptible to blindly accepting them as true" is unconstitutional and dangerous, and therefore the new science standards must be stopped. "

And yet apparently teaching primary school children about religion is not dangerous at all.
 
2013-09-27 12:30:51 PM
Everyone knows that Atun masturbated onto the ground creating the other gods.

Why won't the Kansas school board teach this?

DAMMIT WEENER!
 
2013-09-27 12:32:19 PM
My level of tolerance for these people is quickly dwindling .
 
2013-09-27 12:32:41 PM
The world needs ditch diggers too.
 
2013-09-27 12:33:30 PM
Next up: renaming Liberal
 
2013-09-27 12:33:51 PM

Weaver95: These people are embarrassingly stupid and weirdly proud of it.


Yes. Yes they are.
 
2013-09-27 12:33:56 PM
Here, I'll list all of the medical achievements made through an analysis of the bible:
 
2013-09-27 12:35:21 PM
That's one of the greatest accompanying photos I've ever seen with an article like this.
 
2013-09-27 12:36:12 PM
FTFA: The suit alleges that the new standards will "promote religious beliefs that are inconsistent with the theistic religious beliefs of plaintiffs, thereby depriving them of the right to be free from government that favors one religious view over another."

On the contrary, teaching based on the science will not promote any religious beliefs at all.  Teaching creationism, on the other hand, would favor one religious view over others, as different religions have different creation stories.

Science class should be based on science.  If you want to teach creation stories, do it in Sunday School, or push for a comparative religions class where students can learn the history and beliefs of multiple faiths and how they've shaped society.
 
2013-09-27 12:36:14 PM
I hope a teacher starts telling students about the Hindu view of creation.
 
2013-09-27 12:36:30 PM
What's science ever done for us?

*clicks add comment*
 
2013-09-27 12:37:56 PM

Blues_X: I hope a teacher starts telling students about the Hindu view of creation.


I hope so too, because it's important to study the major religions of the world in order to understand how they have shaped the world, and how the world has shaped them.  As a computer science major, my absolute favorite non-major course in college was an objective, historic factual study of just that.  BRB I am going to become death, destroyer of worlds.
 
2013-09-27 12:38:35 PM
And most of them will continue to home-school their kids anyway. Or send them to private Christian schools.

Oh, and starve the public schools of funding too. Forgot about that one.

How Jesus-y of them.
 
2013-09-27 12:40:28 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Next up: renaming Liberal


That town has always confused me. It's my mother's hometown and I've been there more times than I can count (I grew up in eastern KS). I remember at a young age asking my mom, "But WHY is it called 'Liberal?'"
 
2013-09-27 12:41:37 PM

Blues_X: I hope a teacher starts telling students about the Hindu view of creation.


I can't wait for pagans getting to lead morning prayers...
 
2013-09-27 12:44:13 PM

TwistedIvory: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Next up: renaming Liberal

That town has always confused me. It's my mother's hometown and I've been there more times than I can count (I grew up in eastern KS). I remember at a young age asking my mom, "But WHY is it called 'Liberal?'"


Having been there myself, I'm going to guess "comic relief"
 
2013-09-27 12:49:49 PM
Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more.

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If you want to teach kids about your personal religious beliefs, do it in church. That way, everyone who wants to hear about your god can do so, and everyone who wants to hear about some other god can go to some other church.

I assure you, you don't want to require me to teach your kids about your creation myths; you would not like the results.  Let your priests and ministers do their jobs and let me do mine.
 
2013-09-27 12:50:23 PM
truly frightening the quotes in tfa

reads like - my faith and parenting are weak - therefore, you may not expose my child to anything scientific I may have to explain - or anybody else's child because Jesus

also science fair projects invite the Devil's fire right up to the kitchen table - why else would so many of them feature Volcanos?
 
2013-09-27 12:53:31 PM
Why in the world do judges even hear these bullshiat cases?
 
2013-09-27 12:55:10 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Weaver95: These people are embarrassingly stupid and weirdly proud of it.

And also really non-self-aware: FTFA:

"The statement went on to say that "teaching the materialistic/atheistic ideas to primary school children whose minds are susceptible to blindly accepting them as true" is unconstitutional and dangerous, and therefore the new science standards must be stopped. "

And yet apparently teaching primary school children about religion is not dangerous at all.


My brain wanted to climb back into the primordial soup when I read that.
 
2013-09-27 12:55:43 PM
We need to start treating Christians just like their ululating wacko babby raping worshiper counterparts that squat in the desert.
They are 100% the same kind of ignorant philistine schizospiritual terrorists andthey havenothing to offer society or civilizationexcept for patented fear and prejudice.
There is no place for them on this earth but an insaneasylum.
And whenarmed, they are a clear and present danger to all around.
Period.
 
2013-09-27 12:58:09 PM

parasol: truly frightening the quotes in tfa

reads like - my faith and parenting are weak - therefore, you may not expose my child to anything scientific I may have to explain - or anybody else's child because Jesus

also science fair projects invite the Devil's fire right up to the kitchen table - why else would so many of them feature Volcanos?


Not having to explain things you don't understand to your kids is like 99% of conservative social policy.
 
2013-09-27 12:58:15 PM
proudtobeafilthyliberalscum.com
 
2013-09-27 12:59:42 PM
What if they just teach it as "mostly, contingently, and as far as we knew, kinda true," rather than TRUTH?
 
2013-09-27 12:59:44 PM
Religion and people like this turn people off from religion.
 
2013-09-27 12:59:48 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Why in the world do judges even hear these bullshiat cases?


At this point, the judge should be allowed to just skip ahead to the penalty phase.
 
2013-09-27 12:59:56 PM
They've lost the battle to raise religion up to the level of science, so now they're trying to drag science down to the level of religion. Fascinating.
 
2013-09-27 01:00:16 PM
Luckily for them, the hard core post-modernists are also starting to reject empiricism because of "privilege" and "social constructs".

Looks like all derp converges at the top.
 
2013-09-27 01:00:43 PM
Question. Is there a judicial test to determine what does and does not qualify as a religion?
 
2013-09-27 01:00:50 PM

Schools are like polling places. And religion is like a penis. It's OK to have one. It's OK to be proud of it.It is NOT OK to wave it around in public.

 
2013-09-27 01:01:25 PM

dletter: [proudtobeafilthyliberalscum.com image 440x260]


Just like Jesus

/is how the dense, defeat that point
 
2013-09-27 01:01:48 PM

qorkfiend: Question. Is there a judicial test to determine what does and does not qualify as a religion?


Is it based on peer reviewed science or an invisible friend?
 
2013-09-27 01:02:11 PM

Nurglitch: What if they just teach it as "mostly, contingently, and as far as we knew, kinda true," rather than TRUTH?


What if they each religious beliefs in church, and science in science classes?

Evolution happens.  Evolution has happened.  Evolution will continue to happen as long as there are organisms that reproduce.  If the creationists can't deal with that simple fact, that's their problem.
 
2013-09-27 01:03:34 PM

vudukungfu: qorkfiend: Question. Is there a judicial test to determine what does and does not qualify as a religion?

Is it based on peer reviewed science or an invisible friend?


I mean, I know most people have one, but is there an accepted standard for the courts? There must be, otherwise you could classify almost any action as "religious".
 
2013-09-27 01:04:12 PM

qorkfiend: so now they're trying to drag science down to the level of religion.


Maybe I should sue to make sure that they also teach "Jesus Math" where 2 + 2 = 5.  I mean, how dare they teach that secular 2 + 2 = 4 shiat?!!
 
2013-09-27 01:04:28 PM
There is a thing called mental constipation.  The subject can not release a belief no matter how hard they try.  They keep pushing, and pushing, but nothing comes out.  Calling science a religion is a good example of this.  Trying, 42 times, to defeat a law, which was already upheld by the Supreme Court is another example.  These people are stuck and cannot move.  Time simply passes them by.
 
2013-09-27 01:05:02 PM

super_grass: Luckily for them, the hard core post-modernists are also starting to reject empiricism because of "privilege" and "social constructs".

Looks like all derp converges at the top.


The po-mo epidemic peaked in 1996 and has been receding ever since.  The virus will always be endemic because actually understanding things is harder than bulls**ting, but the epidemic is past.
 
2013-09-27 01:05:12 PM
Brad Dachus of Pacific Justice complained that is a violation of a child's rights to teach them that Creationism isn't the truth.

Which f*cking religion are you talking about, moran? I went to a Catholic high school and learned about evolution in freshman biology, and was taught the creation story in Genesis was allegory.
 
2013-09-27 01:06:48 PM
how do you no evulushon, you wurnt even thar!

/BIBLE!
 
2013-09-27 01:07:04 PM
There are religious schools you can send your fat children to, bootstrap that shiat.
 
2013-09-27 01:07:16 PM
Just call it Sharia law. Get a Muslim to speak on behalf of the anti-science point of view. Watch support disappear.
 
2013-09-27 01:08:04 PM

vudukungfu: Schools are like polling places. And religion is like a penis. It's OK to have one. It's OK to be proud of it.It is NOT OK to wave it around in public.



...or to ram it down childrens' throats.
 
2013-09-27 01:08:37 PM

give me doughnuts: vudukungfu: Schools are like polling places. And religion is like a penis. It's OK to have one. It's OK to be proud of it.It is NOT OK to wave it around in public.


...or to ram it down childrens' throats.


zing!
 
2013-09-27 01:08:38 PM

FloydA: Benevolent Misanthrope: Why in the world do judges even hear these bullshiat cases?

At this point, the judge should be allowed to just skip ahead to the penalty phase.


I'd happily support the death penalty for morans like these.
 
2013-09-27 01:09:09 PM

nekom: What's science ever done for us?

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The Aqueduct?
 
2013-09-27 01:09:33 PM

give me doughnuts: ...or to ram it down childrens' throats.


BINGO.
 
2013-09-27 01:10:09 PM

HotWingConspiracy: There are religious schools you can send your fat children to, bootstrap that shiat.


They can't do that until they get vouchers so the taxpayers can pay for their instilled ignorance
 
2013-09-27 01:10:44 PM

Speaker2Animals: Brad Dachus of Pacific Justice complained that is a violation of a child's rights to teach them that Creationism isn't the truth.

Which f*cking religion are you talking about, moran? I went to a Catholic high school and learned about evolution in freshman biology, and was taught the creation story in Genesis was allegory.


Evangelicals.... Catholics are practically athiests compared to them.
 
2013-09-27 01:10:49 PM
Speaker2Animals -
   me too - no conflict between faith and science -
   my mother, however, once quipped "The Jesuits taught us that Jesus discovered America"

   some religious orders, however, make exceptional teachers - including in the field of science
   pretty sure none of them are currently housed and working in Kansas
 
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