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(Vice)   Contrary to popular belief, punk rock was not born in Berkeley, California in 1987 with the formation of Green Day, but rather almost 20 years before that...in Peru   (noisey.vice.com) divider line 93
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2013-09-27 12:16:53 PM
Who the hell believes punk rock started in 87 with green day??
 
2013-09-27 12:20:20 PM
Who the hell believes punk rock started in 87 with green day??

Better yet. Who believes Green Day is Punk Rock??
 
2013-09-27 12:21:45 PM
It stared even earlier than that.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-09-27 12:23:35 PM
Punk rock started in 1982 in Napanee Ontario.
 
2013-09-27 12:27:47 PM
The Wipers. 1980

I'm not serious but they are awesome.
 
2013-09-27 12:28:31 PM
images2.wikia.nocookie.net
Saving the world from La Muerte Peluda is so punk rock.
 
2013-09-27 12:29:06 PM
And here, folks, is why hipsterism is ruining popular music.
 
2013-09-27 12:29:36 PM
Death.
 
2013-09-27 12:30:54 PM
New York Dolls. That is all.
 
2013-09-27 12:32:31 PM
MC5
 
2013-09-27 12:32:52 PM
Oh good god.
 
2013-09-27 12:35:02 PM
Velvet Underground.  Most, non-"mainstream" rock started with them.
 
2013-09-27 12:39:12 PM
MC5

Velvet Underground

The Stooges
 
2013-09-27 12:39:45 PM
924 Gilman was pretty cool, though.
 
2013-09-27 12:41:31 PM

wiseolddude: MC5

Velvet Underground

The Stooges


The Ramones

X

The Plasmatics

The Runaways
 
2013-09-27 12:42:09 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MC5">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MC5

1964
 
2013-09-27 12:42:31 PM
The best thing to come out of Gilman Street:

encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
 
2013-09-27 12:48:34 PM
"Punk" is just a marketing tool, guys with guitars and a drum kit playing 3 chords fast and loud has been around since the 1950's.
 
2013-09-27 12:49:09 PM
I am looking at this thread while listening to The Clash
 
2013-09-27 12:50:47 PM

i253.photobucket.com

They year was 1956.Proto-punk Greta "Taffy" McMillan grabs a beat up cigar box, some construction paper, rubber bands and glue making the world's first festive craft lute.With bouncy strings and a dream she went on write two of punk rock's seminal songs the proto-Bowiean freakout "Pretty Pretty Kitty City" and the nihilistic anthem "Don't Read My Diary, Brad."Too punk to actually record said genius, she quickly became bored with the artform. After the legendary "Show and Tell" performance, which was called punk rock's Woodstock. Shefamously tossed her ax into a trash can saying simply, "ICK! This thing is sticky." This simple act of defiance of course led to the tradition of rock groups smashing their instruments in anarchic protest. Pete Townsend once gave direct credit to her stating that Greta was "quite possibly a real perosn."
 
2013-09-27 12:55:30 PM
i171.photobucket.com

Nice work, subby.
 
2013-09-27 12:56:42 PM
Oddly enough Los Saicos song Come On was in english and sounded like a guy with an accent trying to be a spic version of Eric Burdon.
 
2013-09-27 12:58:25 PM
 
2013-09-27 12:58:50 PM
I thought Good Charlotte invented punk rock in 2001 or so? Honorable mention to Sum 41. This was all set in motion by the influences of alt-rock pioneers Blink 182.
 
2013-09-27 12:59:33 PM
theseconddisc.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-09-27 01:04:39 PM
userserve-ak.last.fm
 
2013-09-27 01:05:38 PM
www.furious.com
 
2013-09-27 01:08:13 PM
userserve-ak.last.fm
 
2013-09-27 01:12:40 PM
Link F**king Wray.  "Rumble".  1958.
 
2013-09-27 01:14:23 PM

Pants full of macaroni!!: Link F**king Wray.  "Rumble".  1958.


THIS.
 
2013-09-27 01:29:03 PM

Pants full of macaroni!!: Link F**king Wray.  "Rumble".  1958.


yep was coming to post this
 
2013-09-27 01:34:48 PM
i1.ytimg.com
 
2013-09-27 01:47:55 PM
The Seeds.
 
2013-09-27 01:49:44 PM
Was it Miley or Bieber that said they were punk this week?
I was just ten but I remember well when the Sex Pistols were making the evening news for AWing the Queen's Silver Jubilee and not having their presence at No 1 in the singles chart acknowledged. Nothing shocking about that today, but in comparison I don't know if Miley or Bieber are just as confrontational, just as dumb to the moms and dads, and just as 'right place, right time' as the Pistols were.
So maybe Miley and Bieber are punks?
 
2013-09-27 01:54:28 PM
Bollocks, the lot of you.
 
2013-09-27 02:01:13 PM

YoOjo: Was it Miley or Bieber that said they were punk this week?
I was just ten but I remember well when the Sex Pistols were making the evening news for AWing the Queen's Silver Jubilee and not having their presence at No 1 in the singles chart acknowledged. Nothing shocking about that today, but in comparison I don't know if Miley or Bieber are just as confrontational, just as dumb to the moms and dads, and just as 'right place, right time' as the Pistols were.
So maybe Miley and Bieber are punks?


Actually, you could argue that Miley and Bieber are MORE punk than the Sex Pistols: they do what they want without thinking "Oh...if I wear this or do this, will it be 'Punk?' What will everyone think??? Ohh I hope I shock them with my messy appearance!!" constantly.

Thrash Metal > Punk
Thrash Metal = Punk by people who know how to play.
 
2013-09-27 02:01:40 PM
Sewer Trout and Stikky also brought a lot of fun to Gilman St...
 
2013-09-27 02:09:34 PM
Nobody "birthed" punk rock.  It has its origins in the early 60s, and in fact even in a lot of gutbucket blues before that.  It's always been a part of rock and roll and even when the terms were first used they were intended to indicate a "retro" movement.

However, if anyone HAS to have that title, Death Whipser is correct, it is The Stooges.
 
2013-09-27 02:11:41 PM
 
2013-09-27 02:34:58 PM

verbaltoxin: Pants full of macaroni!!: Link F**king Wray.  "Rumble".  1958.

THIS.


Rumble may have birthed the power chord and reverb leading directly to hard rock/metal, but punk rock? Nah. That was a little further down the road.
 
2013-09-27 02:41:28 PM
Punk rock was rock 'n' rolls retarded step brother. It was for people who were ugly and with no talent.
It was a reaction to creative good looking talented people who dominated rock for the twenty years prior.

It does have energy, it did have a statement, but who cares?
 
2013-09-27 02:41:43 PM

Kuta: verbaltoxin: Pants full of macaroni!!: Link F**king Wray.  "Rumble".  1958.

THIS.

Rumble may have birthed the power chord and reverb leading directly to hard rock/metal, but punk rock? Nah. That was a little further down the road.


I think you need to go learn more about Link Wray if you don't think he lived the punk ethos, or that "Rumble," didn't spawn punk 20 years after its release.
 
2013-09-27 02:45:48 PM
I think we can all agree that Avril Lavigne is the most punk of all.

I mean look at the leather spiked bracelet she wore that one time.
 
2013-09-27 03:07:19 PM
Subby = master troll.  Awesome headline.
 
2013-09-27 03:09:28 PM
Berkeley had some awesome Punk shows down at the Gillman back in the day.
I know that AFI is a local band to their too, while their later stuff is just rock the early like Shut your mouth and open your eyes is def punk.
 
2013-09-27 03:19:38 PM

RoyFokker'sGhost: wiseolddude: MC5

Velvet Underground

The Stooges

The Ramones

X

The Plasmatics

The Runaways


This Heat
Pere Ubu
Outsiders
Nation of Ulysses
Mars
The Trojans
The Black Dice
Todd Terry
The Germs
Section 25
Althea and Donna
Sexual Harrassment
a-ha
Pere Ubu
Dorothy Ashby
PIL
The Fania All-Stars
The Bar-Kays
The Human League
The Normal
Lou Reed
Scott Walker
Monks
Niagra
Joy Division
Lower 48
the Association
Sun Ra
Scientists
Royal Trux
10cc
Eric B. and Rakim
Index
Basic Channel
Soulsonic Force ("just hit me"!)
Juan Atkins
David Axelrod
Electric Prunes
Gil! Scott! Heron!
The Slits
Faust
Mantronix
Pharaoh Sanders and the Fire Engines
The Swans
The Soft Cell
The Sonics

The Sonics

The Sonics

The Sonics
 
2013-09-27 03:20:04 PM

AlHarris31: I think we can all agree that Avril Lavigne is the most punk of all.

I mean look at the leather spiked bracelet she wore that one time.


She is no Miley Cyrus though.
 
2013-09-27 03:27:23 PM
Link Wray was blues rock.
 
2013-09-27 03:31:32 PM
ih0.redbubble.net

We are all doomed I tell you....DOOMED!!!
 
2013-09-27 03:31:33 PM

Combustion: Actually, you could argue that Miley and Bieber are MORE punk than the Sex Pistols: they do what they want without thinking "Oh...if I wear this or do this, will it be 'Punk?' What will everyone think??? Ohh I hope I shock them with my messy appearance!!" constantly.


So, you're not wrong about the Sex Pistols at all, but if you really think that Miley and Bieber *don't* operate that way, then you're swallowing everything the RIAA is feeding you, man...
 
2013-09-27 03:34:48 PM

JerkyMeat: It does have energy, it did have a statement, but who cares?


izquotes.com
 
2013-09-27 03:39:31 PM
userserve-ak.last.fm
Featuring their smash-hit 'Gidget Goes to Hell'

ooooooOOOOOOGIDGETGOESTOHELL!!

i was their roady many moons ago, standing outside Madam Wongs in LA at 2PM, telling bums to go pee elsewhere, goodtimes
 
2013-09-27 03:43:50 PM

AlHarris31: I think we can all agree that Avril Lavigne is the most punk of all.

I mean look at the leather spiked bracelet she wore that one time.


And her mean face!  Don't forget her mean face!
 
2013-09-27 03:46:08 PM
People get so geeked about "the birth of ________ music" -- but there's no birth, it's a permeable osmosis.  And labels of style are retroactively applied.  It's just critics jerking off.
 
2013-09-27 03:47:19 PM
Where/Whenever it spawned, it peaked with Bad Brains
 
2013-09-27 04:01:53 PM
Some people in this thread are in denial.  I definitely heard quite a few folks declare Green Day 'true punk' back in the day.  There are some absolute dumbfarks in all subgenres of music.
 
2013-09-27 04:02:46 PM
The only thing less punk than arguing about who and who isn't punk is arguing about who started it


/I'm pretty sure someone relatively well known said something like that first but I can't be bothered to find out.
 
2013-09-27 04:03:03 PM

CoonAce: People get so geeked about "the species of ________ ant" -- but there's no species, it's a permeable osmosis.  And scientific classification are retroactively applied.  It's just entymologists jerking off.

 
2013-09-27 04:06:33 PM
files.doobybrain.com

awesomenator.com
 
2013-09-27 04:10:44 PM

LewDux: [files.doobybrain.com image 600x400]

[awesomenator.com image 640x426]


This didn't really happen, did it?!?!?!?
 
2013-09-27 04:12:35 PM
alntvmusic.files.wordpress.com

Jerry Lee Lewis set his piano on fire. How punk can you get?
 
2013-09-27 04:13:52 PM
Hey daddy-o

I don't wanna go

Down to the basement.

/there's something down there...
 
2013-09-27 04:16:55 PM

R.A.Danny: LewDux: [files.doobybrain.com image 600x400]

[awesomenator.com image 640x426]

This didn't really happen, did it?!?!?!?


My War 2.0
 
2013-09-27 04:18:04 PM
The whole ball of wax pretty goddamn much started here:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gbfnh1oVTk0

Although it kicked into permanent overdrive with this
 
2013-09-27 04:25:05 PM
the first track they're playing, the riff is a knockoff of Kick Out the Jams. plus good lord. the seeds, the sonics, ? and the mysterians, and all that. this is just a spanish version of american 'garage punk,' search 'cambodian rocks.' they actually rip it off much better.
 
2013-09-27 04:35:38 PM

Combustion: YoOjo: Was it Miley or Bieber that said they were punk this week?
I was just ten but I remember well when the Sex Pistols were making the evening news for AWing the Queen's Silver Jubilee and not having their presence at No 1 in the singles chart acknowledged. Nothing shocking about that today, but in comparison I don't know if Miley or Bieber are just as confrontational, just as dumb to the moms and dads, and just as 'right place, right time' as the Pistols were.
So maybe Miley and Bieber are punks?

Actually, you could argue that Miley and Bieber are MORE punk than the Sex Pistols: they do what they want without thinking "Oh...if I wear this or do this, will it be 'Punk?' What will everyone think??? Ohh I hope I shock them with my messy appearance!!" constantly.

Thrash Metal > Punk
Thrash Metal = Punk by people who know how to play.


I still listen to both DRI and GBH, so getting a kick...

Fark all the labels though.
 
2013-09-27 04:39:16 PM
oi40.tinypic.com
 
2013-09-27 04:48:24 PM

YoOjo: Was it Miley or Bieber that said they were punk this week?
I was just ten but I remember well when the Sex Pistols were making the evening news for AWing the Queen's Silver Jubilee and not having their presence at No 1 in the singles chart acknowledged. Nothing shocking about that today, but in comparison I don't know if Miley or Bieber are just as confrontational, just as dumb to the moms and dads, and just as 'right place, right time' as the Pistols were.
So maybe Miley and Bieber are punks?


The Sex Pistols were as manufactured as Miley or Bieber.  Or the Monkees for that matter.

Unlike Miley or Bieber, though, John Lydon was smart enough to eventually rebel against his creator
Malcolm McClaren.
 
2013-09-27 05:10:02 PM
oi39.tinypic.com
 
2013-09-27 05:12:27 PM

DjangoStonereaver: Unlike Miley or Bieber, though, John Lydon was smart enough to eventually rebel against his creator


This is the deal. You can't be punk until you bite the hand that feeds you.
 
2013-09-27 05:24:09 PM
This is more punk that Beiber. And Green Day. Combined.
www.got-one.com
 
2013-09-27 06:09:36 PM
What is it about punk threads that get people arguing about what is an isn't punk?
 
2013-09-27 06:12:20 PM

DjangoStonereaver: YoOjo: Was it Miley or Bieber that said they were punk this week?
I was just ten but I remember well when the Sex Pistols were making the evening news for AWing the Queen's Silver Jubilee and not having their presence at No 1 in the singles chart acknowledged. Nothing shocking about that today, but in comparison I don't know if Miley or Bieber are just as confrontational, just as dumb to the moms and dads, and just as 'right place, right time' as the Pistols were.
So maybe Miley and Bieber are punks?

The Sex Pistols were as manufactured as Miley or Bieber.  Or the Monkees for that matter.


The Monkees weren't about music. They were about rebellion, about political and social upheaval!

Bieber certainly is a a punk though, I'll say that.
 
2013-09-27 06:31:40 PM

phed: What is it about punk threads that get people arguing about what is an isn't punk?


In my experience, most punk fans are humorless and have nothing better to do.
 
2013-09-27 06:40:06 PM
The Monkees weren't about music. They were about rebellion, about political and social upheaval!

There were created to make money for NBC.
 
2013-09-27 07:30:45 PM

CoonAce: People get so geeked about "the birth of ________ music" -- but there's no birth, it's a permeable osmosis.  And labels of style are retroactively applied.  It's just critics jerking off.


Are they circle jerking?
 
2013-09-27 07:52:47 PM

skinink: Death.


How is it only one person in this whole thread got this as the answer?
 
2013-09-27 07:54:01 PM

DjangoStonereaver: The Sex Pistols were as manufactured as Miley or Bieber.  Or the Monkees for that matter.


No no no Django, we have been through this before and I have shown you this statement is total bullshiat.  Have you forgotten?

MrEricSir: n my experience, most punk fans are humorless and have nothing better to do.


What is your point? ;-)
 
2013-09-27 08:06:15 PM

LewDux: CoonAce: People get so geeked about "the species of ________ ant" -- but there's no species, it's a permeable osmosis.  And scientific classification are retroactively applied.  It's just entymologists jerking off.


That's absurd.  Species are scientifically and objectively verifiable; music is subject to artistic sensibility and taste.  Entomologists and music critics aren't analogous, and entomologists, AFAIK, don't obsess over pinpointing "the birth of the first specimen of _____ insect."
 
2013-09-27 08:07:58 PM

chitownmike: CoonAce: People get so geeked about "the birth of ________ music" -- but there's no birth, it's a permeable osmosis.  And labels of style are retroactively applied.  It's just critics jerking off.

Are they circle jerking?


Well, it's a bunch of red tape & junk mail.
 
2013-09-27 09:25:37 PM

White_Scarf_Syndrome: Wipers


A WIPERS FAN?

in MY fark?
 
2013-09-27 11:17:47 PM
No, it started in 1976 in Japan.

/Obscure?
/I might not have the date right
 
2013-09-27 11:46:30 PM

Wellon Dowd: It stared even earlier than that.

[i.imgur.com image 540x480]


You're trolling, right?
 
2013-09-27 11:51:42 PM
The Night Crawlers: Little Black Egg  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0W0ywTb9GCU
 
2013-09-27 11:53:18 PM
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-09-27 11:53:51 PM
IMO punk music peaked in '98.

Midwestern Songs of the Americas
The Shape of Punk to Come
Broken Star
Hitler Bad, Vandals Good
Apocalypse Dudes
In/Casino/Out
Do or Die
A Fire Inside
 
2013-09-28 02:12:07 AM

NakedReporta: [userserve-ak.last.fm image 343x272]


The Fugs?

Shock rocking hippies, brilliant and terrible at the same time.
 
2013-09-28 04:44:39 AM

The Dynamite Monkey: Nobody "birthed" punk rock.  It has its origins in the early 60s, and in fact even in a lot of gutbucket blues before that.  It's always been a part of rock and roll and even when the terms were first used they were intended to indicate a "retro" movement.

However, if anyone HAS to have that title, Death Whipser is correct, it is The Stooges.


Seems about right (though you might throw the MC5 in there too).  There's nothing in Los Saicos (besides it being in Spanish) that would make it stand out as "punk" when played along side the more garage-sounding stuff from the assorted versions of "Nuggets".  It doesn't sound any more punk than contemporary records by the Seeds, or even the rougher tracks by the Kinks.
 
2013-09-28 06:41:34 AM

CoonAce: LewDux: CoonAce: People get so geeked about "the species of ________ ant" -- but there's no species, it's a permeable osmosis.  And scientific classification are retroactively applied.  It's just entymologists jerking off.

That's absurd.  Species are scientifically and objectively verifiable; music is subject to artistic sensibility and taste.  Entomologists and music critics aren't analogous, and entomologists, AFAIK, don't obsess over pinpointing "the birth of the first specimen of _____ insect."


"The species problem is a mixture of difficult, related questions that often come up when biologists define the word "species"

Why would entomologists be different from primatologists?

Most importantly differences between genres, or sub-genres or umbrellas is about objective characteristics (tempo, instruments, lyrical subject, time signatures, etc etc) and not about being good music or bad music
 
2013-09-28 07:54:06 AM

DanZero: White_Scarf_Syndrome: Wipers

A WIPERS FAN?

in MY fark?


Hehe right?

That settles it, I'm wearing my Wipers t-shirt tonight.
 
2013-09-28 11:38:45 AM

DanZero: White_Scarf_Syndrome: Wipers

A WIPERS FAN?

in MY fark?


There are more of us than you might think.
 
2013-09-28 11:49:43 AM

White_Scarf_Syndrome: Hehe right?


Zulu_as_Kono: DanZero: White_Scarf_Syndrome: Wipers

A WIPERS FAN?

in MY fark?

There are more of us than you might think.


I see that now. The only reason I clicked this thread was because I thought Wipers right away. They may not have been the first, but one of the earliest examples. Awesome stuff.
 
2013-09-28 03:00:38 PM

LawPD: Who the hell believes punk rock started in 87 with green day??

Better yet. Who believes Green Day is Punk Rock??


Alright.  Glad this was taken care of.

/FU subby
 
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