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2013-09-27 12:22:42 PM
You're old enough and mature enough to choose to give the military 5 years of your life, but you can't order a beer?


Really the only argument you need.
 
2013-09-27 12:32:21 PM
Well whoever that person is is right. The reason we have a bad drinking culture is that we try to restrict it. If you restrict days and times you can drink it leads to people drinking as much as they can in those hours, rather than enjoying a relaxing drink. If you restrict it by age then people don't learn quick enough how to handle alcohol, and their tolerance levels. They also see it as something cool and edgy they need to do to fit in. If you don't drink you are perceived as effeminate, and it's required that people express their love of drinking a lot. Anything else is suspect, and it's all rooted in restrictions on drinking and the effect it's had on our cultures.
 
2013-09-27 01:11:11 PM
Our drinking age is one of the highest in the world, it's worth looking at changing it.
 
2013-09-27 01:13:19 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Our drinking age is one of the highest in the world


One of? It IS the highest. Every other country has a lower drinking age or just bans alcohol.
 
2013-09-27 01:27:51 PM
Lower the drinking age and the legal BAC level.

It's what Yurp does.
 
2013-09-27 01:28:08 PM
In before "Dangit if I can go to war and fight and die for my country, then why can't I drink a beer?"
 
2013-09-27 01:28:44 PM
goddamnit
 
2013-09-27 01:29:39 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: You're old enough and mature enough to choose to give the military 5 years of your life, but you can't order a beer?


Really the only argument you need.


Don't forget that getting caught with booze can get you kicked out of high school; regardless of where the incident took place.
 
2013-09-27 01:30:23 PM

doglover: TuteTibiImperes: Our drinking age is one of the highest in the world

One of? It IS the highest. Every other country has a lower drinking age or just bans alcohol.


Well then, technically, the highest drinking age is infinity...
 
2013-09-27 01:30:40 PM
Just steal at random from your parents medicine cabinet like most kids do these days. Or just drink a gallon of Robitussin. Anything but alcohol.
 
2013-09-27 01:30:46 PM
Shut up and go die in the sand.
 
2013-09-27 01:31:38 PM
I was worried he wouldn't cough up that tired old die for your country argument, but he pulled it out there in the end.
 
2013-09-27 01:31:57 PM
As someone who has lapped the drinking age, I say the current age is bullshiat. If you are in every other way a legal adult you should be able to drink.
 
2013-09-27 01:33:00 PM

Wellon Dowd: As someone who has lapped the drinking age, I say the current age is bullshiat. If you are in every other way a legal adult you should be able to drink.


It really sucks trying to hook up with 18 years olds without legally getting them drunk.
 
2013-09-27 01:35:55 PM
I support de-criminalizing all illegal behavior that comes down to self control.
 
2013-09-27 01:38:19 PM
I stopped caring about the drinking age the moment I turned 21.
 
2013-09-27 01:38:32 PM
I think the drinking age should be 18, but maybe have higher penalities for buying underage kids beer.  When I was 16, I knew way more 18 year olds who would be willing to get you beer than 21 year olds (but I did know enough).
 
2013-09-27 01:40:05 PM

Honest Bender: I stopped caring about the drinking age the moment I turned 21.


I doubt most cared even when they were under 21.
 
2013-09-27 01:44:14 PM
Want to lower the drinking age?  Start a better system for dealing with drinking.  European countries have lower drinking age laws because they introduce booze to their kids earlier and teach them how to be responsible about drinking.  By the time they get to college, drinking is no big deal.  Our country wants to shelter our precious snowflakes from it.  Then when they hit college, they explode into a frenzy of binge drinking, and some of them die from alcohol poisoning or alcohol-related accidents.  Parents are surprised with their little snowflakes turn into such wild animals.

It all starts with teaching responsibility.  The same can be said about guns, cars, and dating.
 
2013-09-27 01:45:02 PM
As a bartender, having to deal with 21 year olds is bad enough. I'd slit my wrists if I had to deal with teenagers drinking in my bar.
 
2013-09-27 01:45:29 PM
Bah, typo in that sentence.  "Parents are surprised that their little snowflakes turn into such wild animals."
 
2013-09-27 01:46:10 PM
They may not be able to battle Mothers Against Drunk Driving singlehandedly, but it is certainly a beginning.

Oh, he MADD.
 
2013-09-27 01:46:19 PM

super_grass: Honest Bender: I stopped caring about the drinking age the moment I turned 21.

I doubt most cared even when they were under 21.


Bartles & Jaymes' sales are driven by that crucial 16-20 year olds market niche
 
2013-09-27 01:55:50 PM

FatherChaos: Want to lower the drinking age?  Start a better system for dealing with drinking.  European countries have lower drinking age laws because they introduce booze to their kids earlier and teach them how to be responsible about drinking.  By the time they get to college, drinking is no big deal.  Our country wants to shelter our precious snowflakes from it.  Then when they hit college, they explode into a frenzy of binge drinking, and some of them die from alcohol poisoning or alcohol-related accidents.  Parents are surprised with their little snowflakes turn into such wild animals.

It all starts with teaching responsibility.  The same can be said about guns, cars, and dating.


The problem with your argument is that grown ups in Europe still get trashed, act irresponsibly, and abuse alcohol.  Everyone's just less shocked by it.
 
2013-09-27 02:00:01 PM
It really should be handled like the current driving laws for minors.

15 - 16, light usage under parental supervision, like adding one or two as a dinner beverage on a sometimes basis.
17 buying a six pack, ok, but consumption at home or social event.
18 You're an adult now, don't screw up.

All the laws stay in place, for irresponsible usage, public displays of overindulgence, MIP's, Open Containers etc.
Full consequences for DUI/DWI etc.

I don't drink, but think others should be allowed to make up their own minds, and use personal responsibility.
Please don't drink and drive as that has the capacity to hurt others in potentially many ways, and not just yourself.
 
2013-09-27 02:00:52 PM
CSB:

I "studied" abroad at UNSW in Australia, where the drinking age is 18. I knew I was in for a helluva time when various drinking games were a part of our orientation, as in, no bullshiat, they split us up into teams and had a boat race IN THE SCHOOL'S AUDITORIUM. This was followed by a massive school-sponsored Sydney pub crawl later that same day. Needless to say I enjoyed my stay.
 
2013-09-27 02:03:43 PM
Meh, I was able to buy beer when I was 18, and then I turned 21 when it changed.  Having been to both 18 and 21 year old bars, way more stupidity, fights happen with that 18 and drinking crowd.  The 18 year olds are their own worse spokespeople when it comes to their behavior and drinking.
 
2013-09-27 02:09:25 PM
16 for beer/wine, 18 for liquor.

If you can join the army, you should be allowed in a bar.
 
2013-09-27 02:19:10 PM

Eshy: As a bartender, having to deal with 21 year olds is bad enough. I'd slit my wrists if I had to deal with teenagers drinking in my bar.


It's possible that if we didn't treat alcohol like it was a thing that you were doing something bad with, the culture of 21-year-olds getting shiathammered and acting like retards would start to go away.  In my (admittedly limited) experience, the teenagers in UK pubs, in general, haven't acted like maniacs when they've come in.

Instead of teaching responsibility, we treat it like it doesn't exist and expect kids to figure it out on their own.  This is stupid.
 
2013-09-27 02:20:25 PM

Eshy: As a bartender, having to deal with 21 year olds is bad enough. I'd slit my wrists if I had to deal with teenagers drinking in my bar.


You sound like a really nice bar tender.
 
2013-09-27 02:30:45 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: You're old enough and mature enough to choose to give the military 5 years of your life, but you can't order a beer?


Really the only argument you need.


You can actually join the military at 16 with parental consent.


And there's two points. One you can legally vote and help decide the fate of the nation, and, two, you can be arrested and tried as an adult and in some states sentenced to death.

I personally believe that the drinking age should be lowered to 19, and the voting, cigarette, and adult status up to 19 as well

/side note, once you're in the military and have a military ID, almost anywhere will serve you, my buddy has been drinking in bars since he was 17. He signed up at 16.
 
2013-09-27 02:39:04 PM
That's not a 'very reasoned case'.

The guy blames the drinking age for why university students drink to excess, which as anyone who's been to a Canadian university where the drinking age is 18 will tell you is nonsense. Then he closes talking about an 'inherent contradiction' like he's already established one, but he hasn't.
 
2013-09-27 02:45:52 PM
I support keeping alcohol away from kids as long as possible.

If your age includes a "teen" then you are a kid.

I was once a teen that drank.  It helped NOTHING.  There is NO responsible drinking for a teen.

But can we stop pretending that teens can't get alcohol because the legal age is 21?
 
2013-09-27 02:53:35 PM

Kommissar: I support de-criminalizing all illegal behavior that comes down to self control.


Umm... technically all illegal behavior comes down to self control.  Not murdering people who say idiotic things on Fark, for instance, tests my self control almost daily!

/not really
//weekly at best
 
2013-09-27 03:09:21 PM

Slaxl: Well whoever that person is is right. The reason we have a bad drinking culture is that we try to restrict it. If you restrict days and times you can drink it leads to people drinking as much as they can in those hours, rather than enjoying a relaxing drink. If you restrict it by age then people don't learn quick enough how to handle alcohol, and their tolerance levels. They also see it as something cool and edgy they need to do to fit in. If you don't drink you are perceived as effeminate, and it's required that people express their love of drinking a lot. Anything else is suspect, and it's all rooted in restrictions on drinking and the effect it's had on our cultures.


So 21-year old college students don't binge drink?  I'm in favor of a lower drinking age, but that's terrible, unsupported reason.
 
2013-09-27 03:17:33 PM

rugman11: I'm in favor of a lower drinking age


why?

give me one good reason that isn't "army, war, blah"
 
2013-09-27 03:27:55 PM
It was 18 back in the day, but we were more mature.
 
2013-09-27 03:28:08 PM
Yes, just like the sober, chaste Englishmen.
 
2013-09-27 03:45:28 PM

Deep Contact: It was 18 back in the day, but we were more mature.


no you weren't.

it is the main reason it was raised to begin with.
 
2013-09-27 03:52:31 PM

frepnog: rugman11: I'm in favor of a lower drinking age

why?

give me one good reason that isn't "army, war, blah"


If you're 18, you're an adult.  Full stop.  At that point you're legally able to do anything.  You can smoke, you can vote, yes, you can join the army.  Why is it that purchasing alcohol is the one right we restrict of 18, 19, and 20 year olds?
 
2013-09-27 03:52:55 PM
When I lived in Michigan, 1966-1976, there was a election issue to reduce the drinking age to 18.
The then gov, who thought this was a good idea, came out with this.
"the only reason that 21 was the age when you became an adult was in the middle ages they thought that at age 21 you could
both wear your armor and ride a your horse at the SAME time."
The vote did in fact lower the age 10 18.
 
2013-09-27 03:54:12 PM

farkingismybusiness: Just steal at random from your parents medicine cabinet like most kids do these days. Or just drink a gallon of Robitussin. Anything but alcohol.


Wish I could remember the name, but one Farker said he used to get his buzz on by drinking vanilla extract. That stuff's got an alcohol content of 35%, and what store is going to stop a kid from buying baking supplies? As a bonus, his breath probably smelled like cookies.
 
2013-09-27 04:01:33 PM

rugman11: frepnog: rugman11: I'm in favor of a lower drinking age

why?

give me one good reason that isn't "army, war, blah"

If you're 18, you're an adult.  Full stop.  At that point you're legally able to do anything.  You can smoke, you can vote, yes, you can join the army.  Why is it that purchasing alcohol is the one right we restrict of 18, 19, and 20 year olds?


because 18, 19 and 20 year olds are farking stupid and drive drunk far more than most and it is just a really bad idea?
 
2013-09-27 04:09:10 PM
Keep it at 21, with exceptions for anyone serving in the military.

/my 2 cents
 
2013-09-27 04:13:08 PM
When I was 18, I was legal.  The change to 19, and then to 21, happened after I had already been drinking.  I had friends that got caught in the changes.  (ie, was legal to drink, then the law went to 21 and they were no longer legal.)

I think the move from 18 to older was the wrong move.  We should be moving the drinking age lower.

With it at 21, you have high-school and college kids who want to drink, and who will find ways to drink, but they can't drink around anyone who would qualify as "responsible adult" because the responsible adult would risk getting arrested.  That doesn't stop them from drinking, it just means they do it in private.  And if things go wrong, it means they are all illegal, and thus less likely to call the cops or the ambulance if needed.

In other countries, peoples first exposure to alcohol isn't at a party with no adults around.  It's usually at home, with their parents.  When they are young and getting drunk, there are adults around to say "Hey, you've had enough, cut it out".  It just makes for a more reasonable path of learning.

Yes, I know all the religious nutbags would like to make it illegal for anyone under 500 years old to drink, but I really don't care about them because they don't have a handle on basic reality.
 
2013-09-27 04:13:43 PM

frepnog: rugman11: frepnog: rugman11: I'm in favor of a lower drinking age

why?

give me one good reason that isn't "army, war, blah"

If you're 18, you're an adult.  Full stop.  At that point you're legally able to do anything.  You can smoke, you can vote, yes, you can join the army.  Why is it that purchasing alcohol is the one right we restrict of 18, 19, and 20 year olds?

because 18, 19 and 20 year olds are farking stupid and drive drunk far more than most and it is just a really bad idea?


The accident rates for 18-20 year olds and 21-24 year olds are almost identical (31 deaths/100,000 vs 28 deaths/100,000).  We don't see significant decreases in traffic fatalities until the age of 25.  And 21-24 year olds are responsible for more than one-third of alcohol-related motor vehicle fatalities.  So why not raise the drinking age to 25?

You also ignore the fact that drunk driving fatalities have declined among all age groups since the 1980s.

And it seems to me that the problem isn't the drinking, it's the driving.  18-20 year olds are twice as likely to die or cause a death with a car as somebody who's over 25, alcohol or no, so why aren't we raising the driving age to 25, too?
 
2013-09-27 06:29:51 PM

JuggleGeek: When I was 18, I was legal.  The change to 19, and then to 21, happened after I had already been drinking.  I had friends that got caught in the changes.  (ie, was legal to drink, then the law went to 21 and they were no longer legal.)

Maybe we're about the same age--I started college at 18, could legally drink, then the law changed to 19, 20, 21, each year. I kept right on being legal to drink.

It was fricking fantastic for me, already a seasoned alcoholic at 18.

 
2013-09-27 06:52:57 PM
Dear College Student,


Sorry, Nobody over the age of 21 cares.

Love, Old Fogey.
 
2013-09-27 07:32:01 PM
Let it wait a while, son. I knew a kid in High School who dropped out within 90 days of graduation BC it interfered with his partying. One college instructor told me he had a student who drank beer in the back row and "he didn't last". The sooner you start in earnest, the worse middle age may become- a poor imitation of your former (and happier) self.
Stick to reefer.
/alcoholic
//cirrhosis
 
2013-09-27 09:52:23 PM

frepnog: Deep Contact: It was 18 back in the day, but we were more mature.

no you weren't.

it is the main reason it was raised to begin with.


I think your on to something. I'm on fark.
 
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