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2013-09-27 09:13:10 AM  
I don't think the article was much of an attack on BB (they admitted they love the show, it is one of the Top 5 ever)... I think it was more to raise the profile and remind people of how good The Shield was, which arguably did not get it's fair due at the time it was going off the air.  The finale was watched by 3.6 million, which will probably be less than half of what BB gets on Sunday's finale.
 
2013-09-27 09:28:04 AM  
The Shield was a great show and to me was the birthplace of our golden age of TV we see ourselves in now. It put dramas on the cable map and showed cable TV that original programming was where it was at, and that you could take risks. It had great character arcs, and damn good acting by everyone around including Chiklis was great at the role he was in.

However, that said the show slowed as it aged and started to revisit old themes and arcs as get older. They were wise to put it down when they did and it was a good closure. Breaking Bad however has seen such a transformation that looking back on it, this entire arc was planned and knowing where it was going before hand has allowed the actors to really shine in their roles and play something amazing. Season 5ep14 was the culmination of years of writing, acting, and knowing these characters that in moments where Anna falls to the streets mouth agape as her child is abducted we feel her terror more than anything any other show has done, and when Bryan is in the changing room and his child calls for mamamamama the look on his face you just know he dug deep because that was a soul crushing moment.

No other show in history so far has captured the tragedy of human emotions and sins as good as BB.

But for all its worth, BB wouldn't have existed had The Shield not broken that ground.
 
2013-09-27 09:43:16 AM  
Someone from Slate writing an article to tell everyone they liked it before it was famous?

I'm shocked.
 
2013-09-27 10:05:23 AM  
Vic and Walt are both bald, both murders, and both lost their families due to their chosen path. My god it IS the same show.
 
2013-09-27 10:13:20 AM  
Did you like The Shield?

I preferred it when it was I Love Lucy: Special Victims Unit.
 
2013-09-27 10:45:13 AM  
The what now?

/Breaking Bad marathon on AMC right now, S3E9, ftw.
 
2013-09-27 10:45:23 AM  

Tom_Slick: Vic and Walt are both bald, both murders, and both lost their families due to their chosen path. My god it IS the same show.


When you consider the male protagonists are both dying near the end of the show, it's EXACTLY like "Babylon 5".
 
2013-09-27 10:46:27 AM  

Tom_Slick: Vic and Walt are both bald, both murders, and both lost their families due to their chosen path. My god it IS the same show.


And Shane!  And Jesse!  Yokel and meth dealer!  Same thing!
 
2013-09-27 10:46:50 AM  
He's right and I can't argue with the article that they are very similar.  I think it was a better show all around than BB too.  I do still like BB but it's no where near as good as the internet hypes it up to be.
 
Bf+
2013-09-27 10:47:35 AM  
FTFA: From start to finish, Breaking Bad has echoed the uncannily similar-and equally good-cop show The Shield.

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2013-09-27 10:48:25 AM  
I liked the lead actor from The Shield, when he wasn't fat and he was Bruce Willis.
 
2013-09-27 10:49:19 AM  
I liked The Shield, back when it was originally called The Commish.

Who the hell started writing the later seasons?  Talk about NOT funny.
 
2013-09-27 10:49:35 AM  
Vic Mackey > Walter White
 
2013-09-27 10:50:07 AM  
The Shield can't hold a candle to Low Winter Sun.
 
2013-09-27 10:53:15 AM  
I loved The Shield, but I think there was about 20% too much filler in the series as a whole.    It definitely had some of the greatest all time "Holy Shiat!!!" moments of television, though.

Also a pretty good amount of all time "DaFuq?"  scenes.  As in "Did he just kill a cat?"
 
2013-09-27 10:54:41 AM  

IdBeCrazyIf: Breaking Bad however has seen such a transformation that looking back on it, this entire arc was planned and knowing where it was going before hand has allowed the actors to really shine in their roles and play something amazing.


According to Vince Gilligan himself on the Nerdist Podcast, there was never an intended "end."  He knew it was going to be about a guy changing from a boring schmuck to a bad guy, and the consequences along the way.  His words were something along the idea that "if you think you have every move planned out ahead of time, you either are lying, deluding yourself, or are so rigid in your structure that you're final product is going to be stale."

Hell, Jessie was supposed to die in the first season.  Hank was supposed to be a one-note douchebag that was just there to be a foil for Walter.  

Link to the podcast in question.
 
2013-09-27 10:54:57 AM  
The Shield can't hold a candle to Low Winter Sun.

Every time I see the ads for Low Winter Sun, I think "Didn't we already do this on the Shield?"
 
2013-09-27 10:57:17 AM  

DMZ DEATH: Vic Mackey > Walter White


Byz Lats > Aryan Nation
 
2013-09-27 10:57:34 AM  
The Shield is my favorite show ever and has one of the best finales I have ever seen.

Breaking Bad, though, is giving it a  serious run for its money. They have a perfect setup; they just have to stick the landing.
 
2013-09-27 10:57:55 AM  
The Shield was an awesome show, one of my absolute favorites.  Then came along Breaking Bad.  Unless BB ends with Walt waking up and this all being a dream, it's the best ever, imo, and everything else is... everything else.
 
2013-09-27 10:58:52 AM  
Author needed to write a Breaking Bad article for SEO purposes, but couldn't think of anything, so wrote a The Shield article masquerading as a Breaking Bad article.
 
2013-09-27 10:58:56 AM  

InmanRoshi: I loved The Shield, but I think there was about 20% too much filler in the series as a whole.    It definitely had some of the greatest all time "Holy Shiat!!!" moments of television, though.

Also a pretty good amount of all time "DaFuq?"  scenes.  As in "Did he just kill a cat?"


I loved how there was never any follow-up to that (more or less).  It was just "Well, Dutch killed a cat.  Now on to something else."
 
2013-09-27 10:59:52 AM  
I liked it better when it was called Scarecrow and Mrs. King
 
2013-09-27 11:01:11 AM  

InmanRoshi: DMZ DEATH: Vic Mackey > Walter White

Byz Lats > Aryan Nation



Spookstreet still gets no love.
 
2013-09-27 11:05:33 AM  
I liked The Shield better when it was NYPD Blue
 
2013-09-27 11:05:45 AM  
I liked The Shield when it was called Life Goes On.

/That Kellie Martin was hawt.
 
2013-09-27 11:07:19 AM  
Because something completely derivative compares to something completely original, and some of the finest storytelling ever on TV? OK.
 
2013-09-27 11:07:42 AM  

CarnySaur: InmanRoshi: I loved The Shield, but I think there was about 20% too much filler in the series as a whole.    It definitely had some of the greatest all time "Holy Shiat!!!" moments of television, though.

Also a pretty good amount of all time "DaFuq?"  scenes.  As in "Did he just kill a cat?"

I loved how there was never any follow-up to that (more or less).  It was just "Well, Dutch killed a cat.  Now on to something else."


There didn't need to be any follow up. He killed the cat to get in the mindset of the serial killer he was trying to nab.

And the similarities between the two shows are incredible, nice find Subby.
 
2013-09-27 11:08:51 AM  
That's not really what TFA said. It was more like "Yeah BB is great but so was the Shield and most people missed it."

I have only watched the final season of Breaking Bad so I can't comment on the entirety of the show (though I am DVRing the marathon and plan to watch them all), but I will say I was instantly engrossed by the first episode I saw. It immediately drew me in even without knowing the history of the characters.

I did watch every episode of the Shield and will argue with anyone that it was an all time great show and one of the best finales ever.

/in other words, no need to troll bait the headline, they are both great shows, if you haven't seen the Shield check it out
 
2013-09-27 11:09:36 AM  

otherginger: The Shield can't hold a candle to Low Winter Sun.

Every time I see the ads for Low Winter Sun, I think "Didn't we already do this on the Shield?"


Every time I see ads for Low Winter Sun, I think "Sweet, Matt Frewer has his own show-awwwww, darn."
 
2013-09-27 11:10:16 AM  
The best episode of the Shield was a Seinfeld episode.

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2013-09-27 11:11:24 AM  

Shadowknight: According to Vince Gilligan himself on the Nerdist Podcast, there was never an intended "end." He knew it was going to be about a guy changing from a boring schmuck to a bad guy, and the consequences along the way. His words were something along the idea that "if you think you have every move planned out ahead of time, you either are lying, deluding yourself, or are so rigid in your structure that you're final product is going to be stale."

Hell, Jessie was supposed to die in the first season. Hank was supposed to be a one-note douchebag that was just there to be a foil for Walter.

Link to the podcast in question.


That may have been during that first season, but something tells me that changed during the second season and they started planning the wider view of the show and where it might land. Even more so after season 3 since it was obvious that Walt had cracked at that point.

And if they were winging the shiat out of it the entire time, holy farking hell seriously just give them all lifetime awards at the next Emmys
 
2013-09-27 11:11:33 AM  

js34603: in other words, no need to troll bait the headline, they are both great shows, if you haven't seen the Shield check it out


Absoultely agree.

Just watched The Shield for the first time, over the last couple months. The ending was completely fitting. Great show.
 
2013-09-27 11:12:44 AM  

Big Beef Burrito: js34603: in other words, no need to troll bait the headline, they are both great shows, if you haven't seen the Shield check it out

Absoultely agree.

Just watched The Shield for the first time, over the last couple months. The ending was completely fitting. Great show.



Lem.  We still miss Lem.
 
2013-09-27 11:12:56 AM  

Bloody William: otherginger: The Shield can't hold a candle to Low Winter Sun.

Every time I see the ads for Low Winter Sun, I think "Didn't we already do this on the Shield?"

Every time I see ads for Low Winter Sun, I think "Sweet, Matt Frewer has his own show-awwwww, darn."


I only see Jim Cantore's doppelganger in that one guy.
Can't even watch it. Cop kills cop, must investigate the murder, doh!
What will he DOOOOOOOOOO?
Moral dilemma ensues, blah, blah.

/BB's "Fly" episode is on AMC right now.
 
2013-09-27 11:14:50 AM  
Note to fans of the Shield.  If you have not watched 'Lie to Me' on netlix or wherever, you missed this:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2009/12/02/the-shield-cast-reunion-on-li e- to-me

/Lie to Me was a decent show too
 
2013-09-27 11:18:53 AM  

MayoSlather: Because something completely derivative compares to something completely original, and some of the finest storytelling ever on TV? OK.


Comments like this really grind my gears.

Nothing is completely original, all things are derivative of something in some way. What matters is how derivative is it, and how much innovation the show has to combat it? I think both shows are fairly derivative, yet don't suffer because if it, because they both pushed the boundaries of creativity and what is possible when you have both talented writers and actors invested.
 
2013-09-27 11:19:17 AM  

Shadowknight: IdBeCrazyIf: Breaking Bad however has seen such a transformation that looking back on it, this entire arc was planned and knowing where it was going before hand has allowed the actors to really shine in their roles and play something amazing.

According to Vince Gilligan himself on the Nerdist Podcast, there was never an intended "end."  He knew it was going to be about a guy changing from a boring schmuck to a bad guy, and the consequences along the way.  His words were something along the idea that "if you think you have every move planned out ahead of time, you either are lying, deluding yourself, or are so rigid in your structure that you're final product is going to be stale."

Hell, Jessie was supposed to die in the first season.  Hank was supposed to be a one-note douchebag that was just there to be a foil for Walter.  

Link to the podcast in question.


And Hank was supposed to be closer to form in the pilot, a racist jock-type asshole.  But Gilligan saw Dean Norris building depth to the character and rolled with it.

All things considered, the ending has been good.  It won't be hard to top the series finales of many of the "great" TV shows in this modern era.  Hell, they could combo it up, having Walt become a lumberjack with Journey in the background, then cut to black...and based off the entire last season, it would be worth it.
 
2013-09-27 11:19:22 AM  

BafflerMeal: The best episode of the Shield was a Seinfeld episode.

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I swear it seems like EVERYBODY has been on Seinfeld.
 
2013-09-27 11:20:00 AM  

Cymbal: CarnySaur: InmanRoshi: I loved The Shield, but I think there was about 20% too much filler in the series as a whole.    It definitely had some of the greatest all time "Holy Shiat!!!" moments of television, though.

Also a pretty good amount of all time "DaFuq?"  scenes.  As in "Did he just kill a cat?"

I loved how there was never any follow-up to that (more or less).  It was just "Well, Dutch killed a cat.  Now on to something else."

There didn't need to be any follow up. He killed the cat to get in the mindset of the serial killer he was trying to nab.



No no no.  It was supposed to start an arc where he becomes a serial killer.  Don't you read the internets?
 
2013-09-27 11:20:13 AM  

IdBeCrazyIf: That may have been during that first season, but something tells me that changed during the second season and they started planning the wider view of the show and where it might land. Even more so after season 3 since it was obvious that Walt had cracked at that point.

And if they were winging the shiat out of it the entire time, holy farking hell seriously just give them all lifetime awards at the next Emmys


Give the podcast a listen.  He talks about how they would constantly write themselves into corners and take the better part of a week just trying to figure out how they were going to write them out of it.  Walt and Jessie stuck in the RV while Hank closed in on them was the example he used.  They loved the set up, the tension of it, but couldn't figure out how they were going to get them out.  They spent three days on just that alone, and were afraid that they were going to have to backtrack completely and rewrite whole segments of the season.  He had another example, but I can't think of it at the time.

It doesn't sound like they had a LOT of planning.  They knew it was going to deal with transformation from nothing to criminal, and the fact that Walter was more or less just looking for a reason to go crazy and try to be "significant," and the sacrifices and consequences he has to face because of those actions.  So, yeah, the probably had some monstrous things in mind for him to do, and knew he would end in a very tragic way, but it looks like they went season to season on things.

/didn't actually watch past episode 4 or Season 3
//been busy as hell
 
2013-09-27 11:20:20 AM  
The Shield is great. Breaking Bad is great.

Both are strong arguments for non-premium cable TV delivering some of the best serialized dramas, and there are lots of other good cable dramas (Nikita, Burn Notice, Sons of Anarchy, Rescue Me) that are either still on or which have aired in recent years that are really great shows, but which only have niche audiences for some reason.

The Wire, of course, is also great, but it never could have been done on ad-supported cable because it required too much investment on the part of the viewer. It was one of those shows that could only be done on the premium cable model. The ad-supported version of The Wire was  Homicide, which was also extremely good, but which got less good as the network insisted on getting away from the gritty realism of the first two seasons.
 
2013-09-27 11:21:15 AM  

Benjamin Stone: BafflerMeal: The best episode of the Shield was a Seinfeld episode.

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I swear it seems like EVERYBODY has been on Seinfeld.


If I ever have the opportunity to catch Chiklis at a con again, I will wax poetically about his most sublime performance.  And then have him sign a picture of him drunk on Seinfeld.
 
2013-09-27 11:21:23 AM  

FinFangFark: Hell, they could combo it up, having Walt become a lumberjack with Journey in the background, then cut to black...


As the credits start to roll you could have him taking the last page out of his typewriter
 
2013-09-27 11:22:29 AM  
No one on The Shield ever tossed a pizza onto the roof.

The entire argument is invalid.
 
2013-09-27 11:23:07 AM  

Tom_Slick: FinFangFark: Hell, they could combo it up, having Walt become a lumberjack with Journey in the background, then cut to black...

As the credits start to roll you could have him taking the last page out of his typewriter


shiat...as long as you have that last 3 minute scene of episode 15 in your head...yeah.

That scene was great to me.
 
2013-09-27 11:24:27 AM  

FinFangFark: All things considered, the ending has been good.  It won't be hard to top the series finales of many of the "great" TV shows in this modern era.  Hell, they could combo it up, having Walt become a lumberjack with Journey in the background, then cut to black...and based off the entire last season, it would be worth it.


I'm more worried Walt and Jesse will meet Gus and Hank in a church and they'll all walk out into a white light which zooms out to show Flynn holding a snowglobe.
 
2013-09-27 11:25:08 AM  

Tom_Slick: FinFangFark: Hell, they could combo it up, having Walt become a lumberjack with Journey in the background, then cut to black...

As the credits start to roll you could have him taking the last page out of his typewriter


Then he wanders into the bathroom to find Patrick Duffy in the shower.
 
2013-09-27 11:25:20 AM  

Big Beef Burrito: No one on The Shield ever tossed a pizza onto the roof.

The entire argument is invalid.


DIPPING STICKS

Shadowknight: It doesn't sound like they had a LOT of planning. They knew it was going to deal with transformation from nothing to criminal, and the fact that Walter was more or less just looking for a reason to go crazy and try to be "significant," and the sacrifices and consequences he has to face because of those actions. So, yeah, the probably had some monstrous things in mind for him to do, and knew he would end in a very tragic way, but it looks like they went season to season on things


Blows my mind on how tight they wrote it then. I imagine every single writer on that show now more or less has a blank check to nearly every door in town right now.
 
2013-09-27 11:26:29 AM  

FinFangFark: shiat...as long as you have that last 3 minute scene of episode 15 in your head...yeah.

That scene was great to me.


That was great, but the best so far IMHO has been the domestic abuse and kidnapping. That was a HARD watch but worth it.
 
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