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(Mother Jones)   Let's hope the President can hold the red line he's drawn this time   (m.motherjones.com) divider line 89
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2013-09-27 08:52:51 AM  
Of course, subby means "again."
 
2013-09-27 08:53:13 AM  
The only good republicans are dead republicans
 
2013-09-27 08:56:08 AM  
I seriously hope Obama doesn't blink. Let Republicans try and spin everything as someone else's fault while Rome burns. Destroy your party shiatheads. Do it... Do it.
 
2013-09-27 08:57:22 AM  

Slappy McLongstockings: The only good republican politicians are dead unemployed republican politicians.



better
 
2013-09-27 09:01:41 AM  

unexplained bacon: Slappy McLongstockings: The only good republican politicians are dead unemployed republican politicians.


better


incarcerated republican politicians also works.
 
2013-09-27 09:03:02 AM  
14th Amendment, baby
 
2013-09-27 09:04:43 AM  

crab66: I seriously hope Obama doesn't blink. Let Republicans try and spin everything as someone else's fault while Rome burns. Destroy your party shiatheads. Do it... Do it.


GOP: "We refuse to borrow money to pay for the stuff we bought! And no, we absolutely will not increase revenue to pay for our own spending!"
 
2013-09-27 09:05:48 AM  

hiker9999: unexplained bacon: Slappy McLongstockings: The only good republican politicians are dead unemployed republican politicians.


better

incarcerated republican politicians also works.


not bad at all
 
2013-09-27 09:09:37 AM  
Unfortunately, Obama's entire history of dealing with the GOP says he'll buckle.  I'd like him to stand up for me, but I don't think he's capable.  As much as I advocated for Obama over Hillary during the 08 primaries, I really think we need Hillary as president right now.  I don't see her folding under pressure from the right the way Obama does.
 
2013-09-27 09:10:33 AM  

clkeagle: crab66: I seriously hope Obama doesn't blink. Let Republicans try and spin everything as someone else's fault while Rome burns. Destroy your party shiatheads. Do it... Do it.

GOP: "We refuse to borrow money to pay for the stuff we bought! And no, we absolutely will not increase revenue to pay for our own spending!"


They are already trying to spin things as the debt being money Obama spent, even when someone on CNN reminded them they hold the power of the purse, not Obama.  The shrill Rep persisted in trying to deflect blame from the congress and the GOP though.
 
2013-09-27 09:12:23 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Of course, subby means "again."


Well, whatever Obama does we can at least rest assured that it is absolutely wrong because he did it.
 
2013-09-27 09:12:58 AM  

Aristocles: So BOB is willing to drive the country off a cliff... remember this, voters. We'll see how the dems fare in the next elections.


I won't be voting for Obama again, that's for sure.

I didn't know Bob Dole was running again.  Besides, he's a Republican.
 
2013-09-27 09:13:02 AM  

Aristocles: So BOB is willing to drive the country off a cliff... remember this, voters. We'll see how the dems fare in the next elections.


Far better than your knuckle headed Republican masters will. Oh, and you seem to have it backwards, it's the Teatards driving the country off the cliff. But you know that.

Does being a shill for scumbags pay well, or do you just like being associated with pathological liars and morons willing to let the country burn because the President is a Black Democrat?
 
2013-09-27 09:13:08 AM  

Antimatter: They are already trying to spin things as the debt being money Obama spent, even when someone on CNN reminded them they hold the power of the purse, not Obama.  The shrill Rep persisted in trying to deflect blame from the congress and the GOP though.


Of course they are. Just like a cat with a wet face and paws tries to say someone else is responsible for the missing goldfish.
 
2013-09-27 09:13:24 AM  

Aristocles: So BOB is willing to drive the country off a cliff... remember this, voters. We'll see how the dems fare in the next elections.


Is "BOB" writing, passing, and signing his own bills now? Someone ought to put a stop to this!
 
2013-09-27 09:14:10 AM  

crab66: Destroy your party shiatheads. Do it... Do it.


How do you think this will destroy their party?  I would love to see it but I don't see anything piercing the bubble at this point.
 
2013-09-27 09:14:26 AM  
Stop responding to Aristocles
 
2013-09-27 09:15:03 AM  
yeah, yeah Obama sure you won't cave, I believe in you!
 
2013-09-27 09:16:15 AM  

GoldSpider: Is "BOB" writing, passing, and signing his own bills now? Someone ought to put a stop to this!


I have been told time and time again that he is a ruthless micromanaging dictator who is personally socializing us into poverty with every action he takes. And that all he does is take golfing vacations.
 
2013-09-27 09:17:08 AM  

CPennypacker: Stop responding to Aristocles


CPennypacker: Stop responding to Aristocles


CPennypacker: Stop responding to Aristocles


CPennypacker: Stop responding to Aristocles


CPennypacker: Stop responding to Aristocles

 
2013-09-27 09:19:32 AM  

clkeagle: GoldSpider: Is "BOB" writing, passing, and signing his own bills now? Someone ought to put a stop to this!

I have been told time and time again that he is a ruthless micromanaging dictator who is personally socializing us into poverty with every action he takes. And that all he does is take golfing vacations.


To India. On a special aircraft that's fueled by aborted citizens and the gold that used to sustain a noble backed currency.
 
2013-09-27 09:22:26 AM  

CPennypacker: Stop responding to Aristocles


Okay :(
 
2013-09-27 09:22:56 AM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: CPennypacker: Stop responding to Aristocles

 
2013-09-27 09:23:03 AM  

Aristocles: LittleSmitty: Aristocles: So BOB is willing to drive the country off a cliff... remember this, voters. We'll see how the dems fare in the next elections.

Far better than your knuckle headed Republican masters will. Oh, and you seem to have it backwards, it's the Teatards driving the country off the cliff. But you know that.

Does being a shill for scumbags pay well, or do you just like being associated with pathological liars and morons willing to let the country burn because the President is a Black Democrat?

I'm not a repub... I once had faith in the Teabagger movement, but they've let me down... I suspect (since it looks like the repubs will cave to BOB), that another movement of even more Patriotic, Constitutional Conservatives will come in to sweep out the dusty, old GOP and so-called "teabaggers." Then maybe we can begin to recover from the damage done by BOB, the dems, and to a certain extent the GOP.


Not a repub, but "had" faith in Tebaggers. So what are you exactly, besides a conservative shill? "Libertarian" that votes straight ticket GOP?
 
2013-09-27 09:23:43 AM  

Notabunny: 14th Amendment, baby


Or a trillion-dollar coin.  I can see either happening, and whether either does happen is entirely in the GOP's court. I would be just about anything that 1) Obama IS serious about not negotiating the debt cieling, and 2) he won't let the country default.
 
2013-09-27 09:23:48 AM  

CPennypacker: Stop responding to Aristocles


Seconded
 
2013-09-27 09:24:01 AM  

sprawl15: To India. On a special aircraft that's fueled by aborted citizens and the gold that used to sustain a noble backed currency.


That's right - on a trip that costs hard-working Christian taxpayers no less than $250,000/hr.
 
2013-09-27 09:24:56 AM  

CPennypacker: Stop responding to Aristocles


I'm fairly conservative and disagree with the current administration on numerous issues...

...and he's now on my ignore list, which is a bit of a rare distinction as I hate using ignore.  Being a troll is one thing.  Being boring, tiresome, and generally worthless is another altogether.

/debt ceiling fight is stupid
//most of the modern GOP also
///GOP primaries are farking depressing
 
2013-09-27 09:25:41 AM  

Smoking GNU: Seconded


And we can stop mentioning him as well.
 
2013-09-27 09:26:03 AM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Unfortunately, Obama's entire history of dealing with the GOP says he'll buckle.  I'd like him to stand up for me, but I don't think he's capable.


i dunno... i think this is part of his vaunted "long game." i think he's been spoiling for this fight for a while, knowing that the GOP couldn't resist taking the bait. and now he's got the double-whammy of the shutdown AND default, which shows that the GOP is completely willing to burn the US economy to the ground because it didn't get its way.

this sets the dems up for a sweep in '14 and '16 (and beyond, if the GOP doesn't purge the teabaggers from its midst).
 
2013-09-27 09:26:24 AM  

LittleSmitty: So what are you exactly, besides a conservative shill? "Libertarian" that votes straight ticket GOP?


An admitted troll whose login rhymes with "herpes" and is just as resilient and apparently incurable.
 
2013-09-27 09:26:54 AM  
"This time."

I'm sorry, what about the Syria thing didn't you like? They're being disarmed of their chemical weapons and we didn't have to fire a shot, and thanks to the dick-waving and Russia taking advantage of the situation, we even saved face. It could have gone a lot worse, like the last decade. What are you unsatisfied about how it turned out, and do you really value some weird sense of looking good in the eyes of the international community over sending our soldiers to die in a morally murky war?
 
2013-09-27 09:28:14 AM  

CPennypacker: Stop responding to Aristocles


^THIS

And BOB is not a politician.  This is BOB:
plancksconstant.org
 
2013-09-27 09:28:51 AM  

Aristocles: So Obama is willing to drive the country off a cliff... remember this, voters. We'll see how the dems fare in the next elections.


No Obama is simply not willing to negotiate with terrorist, foreign or domestic.
 
2013-09-27 09:29:15 AM  

Bloody William: "This time."

I'm sorry, what about the Syria thing didn't you like? They're being disarmed of their chemical weapons and we didn't have to fire a shot, and thanks to the dick-waving and Russia taking advantage of the situation, we even saved face. It could have gone a lot worse, like the last decade. What are you unsatisfied about how it turned out, and do you really value some weird sense of looking good in the eyes of the international community over sending our soldiers to die in a morally murky war?


THIS

and anyone who thinks that kerry's "gaffe" of offering the syrians an out by giving up chemical weapons was an accident is fooling themselves. that was deliberate for sure. and it worked.
 
2013-09-27 09:29:31 AM  

PoweredByIrony: CPennypacker: Stop responding to Aristocles

^THIS

And BOB is not a politician.  This is BOB:
[plancksconstant.org image 270x267]


Stop trying to make BOB happen. BOB is never going to happen.
 
2013-09-27 09:31:27 AM  

MindStalker: Aristocles: So Obama is willing to drive the country off a cliff... remember this, voters. We'll see how the dems fare in the next elections.

No Obama is simply not willing to negotiate with terrorist, foreign or domestic.


FYI: you're responding to a well-known troll who popped up here a couple of months ago. if you put him on ignore, you'll be better off.

i38.tinypic.com
 
2013-09-27 09:31:27 AM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Unfortunately, Obama's entire history of dealing with the GOP says he'll buckle.  I'd like him to stand up for me, but I don't think he's capable.  As much as I advocated for Obama over Hillary during the 08 primaries, I really think we need Hillary as president right now.  I don't see her folding under pressure from the right the way Obama does.


That may explain Republican's fear of Hillary. There's a more overt aggressiveness there. We knew Obama was going to approach the presidency as a team builder, but he's stuck with that failed idea for too long. I don't think Hillary would take 5 minutes to re-learn that lesson.
 
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2013-09-27 09:38:58 AM  

Aristocles: Right leaning libertarian according to those "political compass" tests. Sometimes further right/down than others, I've taken it several times over the years.


You know who else was to the right of tea baggers?
 
2013-09-27 09:39:15 AM  
President America! The GOP won't raise the debt ceiling!

Shut
DOWN
EVERYTHING
 
2013-09-27 09:41:16 AM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Unfortunately, Obama's entire history of dealing with the GOP says he'll buckle.  I'd like him to stand up for me, but I don't think he's capable.  As much as I advocated for Obama over Hillary during the 08 primaries, I really think we need Hillary as president right now.  I don't see her folding under pressure from the right the way Obama does.


That's the primary (and maybe only) reason I supported Hillary in '08.  I remembered the GOP's antics during the Clinton administration, and thought it could be just as bad this time around (little did I know how bad it would be).   One of the things I admired about Bill Clinton at the time was his general refusal to put up with republican BS, a rarity among democrats at the time (and still today, unfortunately).
 
2013-09-27 09:44:04 AM  

doyner: Notabunny: 14th Amendment, baby

Or a trillion-dollar coin.  I can see either happening, and whether either does happen is entirely in the GOP's court. I would be just about anything that 1) Obama IS serious about not negotiating the debt cieling, and 2) he won't let the country default.


These two. Obama made a mistake when he let the clowns get a "deal" on the debt ceiling in 2011. Hell, I hope that he plays the 14th amendment card so butthurt Republicans can file suit, only to have SCOTUS knock down debt ceiling laws as unconstitutional
 
2013-09-27 09:47:58 AM  
If the Democrats controlled 1/2 of 1 of 3 branches of government and they pulled shiat like this, I'm sure the GOP would just roll right over and give them everything that they wanted.

And really, this kind of behavior basically frees the Democrats up to do just that in the future if the GOP does win the majority again.

Which makes you wonder if they really expect to be in that position at all...
 
2013-09-27 09:50:38 AM  

hershy799: Hell, I hope that he plays the 14th amendment card so butthurt Republicans can file suit, only to have SCOTUS knock down debt ceiling laws as unconstitutional


If that's possible without a default actually happening, this is precisely what needs to happen.
 
2013-09-27 09:56:00 AM  

hershy799: Hell, I hope that he plays the 14th amendment card so butthurt Republicans can file suit, only to have SCOTUS knock down debt ceiling laws as unconstitutional


That probably would not play out like you think it would.

Congress is enumerated with the power to borrow money. The debt ceiling laws are Congress deciding to grant borrowing authority (up to a limit and with caveats) to the Executive. If those laws are found unconstitutional, then the situation defaults to Congress needing to specifically authorize all borrowing.
 
2013-09-27 09:56:24 AM  

doyner: Smoking GNU: Seconded

And we can stop mentioning him as well.


QFT.
 
2013-09-27 09:56:50 AM  

hershy799: doyner: Notabunny: 14th Amendment, baby

Or a trillion-dollar coin.  I can see either happening, and whether either does happen is entirely in the GOP's court. I would be just about anything that 1) Obama IS serious about not negotiating the debt cieling, and 2) he won't let the country default.

These two. Obama made a mistake when he let the clowns get a "deal" on the debt ceiling in 2011. Hell, I hope that he plays the 14th amendment card so butthurt Republicans can file suit, only to have SCOTUS knock down debt ceiling laws as unconstitutional


I'm sure the teabaggers are eager to show where the debt ceiling is mentioned in the Constitution.
 
2013-09-27 09:58:25 AM  

Craptastic: doyner: Smoking GNU: Seconded

And we can stop mentioning him as well.

QFT.


Seconded.
 
2013-09-27 10:00:32 AM  

Notabunny: LouDobbsAwaaaay: Unfortunately, Obama's entire history of dealing with the GOP says he'll buckle.  I'd like him to stand up for me, but I don't think he's capable.  As much as I advocated for Obama over Hillary during the 08 primaries, I really think we need Hillary as president right now.  I don't see her folding under pressure from the right the way Obama does.

That may explain Republican's fear of Hillary. There's a more overt aggressiveness there. We knew Obama was going to approach the presidency as a team builder, but he's stuck with that failed idea for too long. I don't think Hillary would take 5 minutes to re-learn that lesson.


And I think that's a lesson people have learned.- I think her reputation as being too aggressive will actually be an asset in 2016 instead of a liability. She's well positioned right now.
 
2013-09-27 10:02:13 AM  

mcnguyen: LouDobbsAwaaaay: Unfortunately, Obama's entire history of dealing with the GOP says he'll buckle.  I'd like him to stand up for me, but I don't think he's capable.  As much as I advocated for Obama over Hillary during the 08 primaries, I really think we need Hillary as president right now.  I don't see her folding under pressure from the right the way Obama does.

That's the primary (and maybe only) reason I supported Hillary in '08.  I remembered the GOP's antics during the Clinton administration, and thought it could be just as bad this time around (little did I know how bad it would be).   One of the things I admired about Bill Clinton at the time was his general refusal to put up with republican BS, a rarity among democrats at the time (and still today, unfortunately).


Yeah his total refusal to work with the GOP like welfare reform or repealing a bunch of financial reforms. Clinton worked with the GOP on a lot of things, and a lot of bad things. Like DOMA and DADT. Don't go all Saint Reagan.
 
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