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(Enterprise News)   Massachusetts charges woman $4,000 for emergency response to dropped thermometer   (enterprisenews.com) divider line 63
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2013-09-27 11:45:13 AM
Oh come on.  Mercury isn't that bad.  When I was a kid I once broke a thermometer and played with the mercury for a couple of hours before tossing it out, and I turned out perfectly potato.
 
2013-09-27 11:52:18 AM

mike_d85: blatz514: gja: Good God we are becoming such a society of collective pussies.

Hey, she's a single mom of 4!  Weep for the unfortunate.

/is it too early for a cocktail?

Yes, that's how she eneded up with numbers 3 & 4


Yikes, I don't want kids!

/have you been imbibing already?
 
2013-09-27 11:59:18 AM
FFS. I can remember my mom cleaning this stuff up off the floor when I was a kid. I thought it was cool the way it blobbed together. I'm sure that all went in the trash or down the crapper.

Lady deserves her $4k stupidity fine.
 
2013-09-27 12:00:45 PM

blatz514: mike_d85: blatz514: gja: Good God we are becoming such a society of collective pussies.

Hey, she's a single mom of 4!  Weep for the unfortunate.

/is it too early for a cocktail?

Yes, that's how she eneded up with numbers 3 & 4

Yikes, I don't want kids!

/have you been imbibing already?


don't mock my suspeech impediment
 
2013-09-27 12:12:20 PM
Local government: if you thought your problems were bad, wait until you see their solutions.
 
2013-09-27 12:28:51 PM
A friend of mine has been saving mercury out of thermometers, switches, etc. for years. He has about a pint jar of the stuff, or did last time I visited him. If that thing ever breaks, it's going to be a federally reportable spill.

/Yes, I have told him that. Don't know if he listened.
 
2013-09-27 12:40:56 PM

Mock26: rumpelstiltskin: FriarReb98: I know the article says they're trying to put a loophole in for accidental incidents like this, but I'm guessing that'll be a hard law to push through here in Ma$$a¢hu$€tts.

Why should there be a loophole for accidents? "Waah Waah, I didn't mean to do it. I shouldn't have to pay for it. Rumpelstilstkin down the road should pay for it."
OK, that's a bit harsh. I know why I get to pay for it. Because I can. But because I'm going to pay for it, I should get something out of it, and as much as helping out some oaf warms my heart that just doesn't seem enough. When I was a kid, my parents taught me not to have accidents by making me work in my mother's garden like I was some kind of Mexican until my debt was paid off. We should do something like that here. Make the clumsy kid who broke the thermometer wash all the trucks at the hasmat lot for a couple of years. And I can come by on Saturdays to watch and laugh and throw peanuts at her. That way we all get something out of it.

Scenario:  Woman drops thermometer, it breaks, some mercury is spilled.  She calls 911 and says, "I just broke a mercury thermometer, do I have to worry about it?  Or can I just clean it up."

As the law is now where this woman lived the dispatcher is required to dispatch the hazmat team.  The exception that they are looking for is not to exempt people from having to pay but to allow for the dispatcher to not automatically send out the hazmat team.  She can instead direct the woman to go and get a mercury spill kit or some other course of action that does not require emergency vehicles.


In my city, if you called the non-emergency line with something they consider an emergency, they'll transfer you over without asking. I called to report someone dumping chemicals on the side of the road into a drain one time and that's exactly what they did. So if her city is similar, she may not have even called 911 to begin with.
 
2013-09-27 12:53:26 PM
To avoid getting the mediapass redirect in Firefox:

Firefox --> Tools --> Options --> Advanced --> General Tab. Check "Warn me when websites try to redirect or reload the page."
 
2013-09-27 01:02:53 PM

jshine: captainktainer: The Flynn effect shows that IQs have been increasing steadily. Part of that is because we eliminated lead from gasoline and most paint. Another part is that women are not getting routine mercury poisoning while pregnant

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You may well be right, but that's the kind of claim that really does require a literature citation.


http://www.environment.ucla.edu/reportcard/article.asp?parentid=3772

With links to appropriate resources.

Mercury, effects.

For changes in mercury exposure over time, I'll have to keep looking - I had it on hand for some research I was doing but can't find it right now.
 
2013-09-27 02:39:25 PM
CSB:
As kids we used to play in houses in our military base neighborhood that didn't have occupants, and in the course of that play we broke a few thermostats off the wall and were surprised to find little vials of mercury inside. We didn't even know what to call it, but 'quicksilver' stuck. We broke the vials open and played with the stuff with our bare hands. I put some in a little plastic windowed 1x1 box and carried it all over the world as we moved around. Eventually, after a decade of carting it around I dumped it in the trash.

CSB 2:
As a kid, trying to play hooky from school, I put our mercury thermometer into my moms cup of coffee to warm it up. Apparently that temp quickly melted the end of the thermometer and that stuff went into her cup. I was in the 4th grade, so I wasn't thinking about toxins in any way, but was more concerned that the taste might be off and she might deduce what I had done, and I was also a little worried about the possible glass that was in there. Thankfully I poured it down the drain and lied that I had dropped and broke the thermometer.

As far as i know it's only really dangerous if you were to inhale it as a fine mist, drink it, or if it got into an open cut.
*fingers crossed*
 
2013-09-27 03:59:26 PM

FnkyTwn: As far as i know it's only really dangerous if you were to inhale it as a fine mist, drink it, or if it got into an open cut.



You can drink the shiat with impunity. The GI tract absorbs less than .03% of elemental mercury. Hell, you can farking inject it in yourself and have very few problems for years. Quite a few documented case where people, crazy people, have done just that and were fine after treatment years later.

Mercury is dangerous when in vapor form or in organic compounds. Elemental mercury is relatively safe unless you try heating it on a stove.
 
2013-09-27 04:27:10 PM

mesmer242: Mock26: rumpelstiltskin: FriarReb98: I know the article says they're trying to put a loophole in for accidental incidents like this, but I'm guessing that'll be a hard law to push through here in Ma$$a¢hu$€tts.

Why should there be a loophole for accidents? "Waah Waah, I didn't mean to do it. I shouldn't have to pay for it. Rumpelstilstkin down the road should pay for it."
OK, that's a bit harsh. I know why I get to pay for it. Because I can. But because I'm going to pay for it, I should get something out of it, and as much as helping out some oaf warms my heart that just doesn't seem enough. When I was a kid, my parents taught me not to have accidents by making me work in my mother's garden like I was some kind of Mexican until my debt was paid off. We should do something like that here. Make the clumsy kid who broke the thermometer wash all the trucks at the hasmat lot for a couple of years. And I can come by on Saturdays to watch and laugh and throw peanuts at her. That way we all get something out of it.

Scenario:  Woman drops thermometer, it breaks, some mercury is spilled.  She calls 911 and says, "I just broke a mercury thermometer, do I have to worry about it?  Or can I just clean it up."

As the law is now where this woman lived the dispatcher is required to dispatch the hazmat team.  The exception that they are looking for is not to exempt people from having to pay but to allow for the dispatcher to not automatically send out the hazmat team.  She can instead direct the woman to go and get a mercury spill kit or some other course of action that does not require emergency vehicles.

In my city, if you called the non-emergency line with something they consider an emergency, they'll transfer you over without asking. I called to report someone dumping chemicals on the side of the road into a drain one time and that's exactly what they did. So if her city is similar, she may not have even called 911 to begin with.


True, but in her city there is no option for the people on the other end of the phone to do anything except send out the hazmat team.  So with an exception if they did transfer her to the emergency call center they would have the option of determining if this was in fact an emergency or whether the woman could have cleaned it up for herself.
 
2013-09-27 05:41:46 PM

Mock26: mesmer242: Mock26: rumpelstiltskin: FriarReb98: I know the article says they're trying to put a loophole in for accidental incidents like this, but I'm guessing that'll be a hard law to push through here in Ma$$a¢hu$€tts.

Why should there be a loophole for accidents? "Waah Waah, I didn't mean to do it. I shouldn't have to pay for it. Rumpelstilstkin down the road should pay for it."
OK, that's a bit harsh. I know why I get to pay for it. Because I can. But because I'm going to pay for it, I should get something out of it, and as much as helping out some oaf warms my heart that just doesn't seem enough. When I was a kid, my parents taught me not to have accidents by making me work in my mother's garden like I was some kind of Mexican until my debt was paid off. We should do something like that here. Make the clumsy kid who broke the thermometer wash all the trucks at the hasmat lot for a couple of years. And I can come by on Saturdays to watch and laugh and throw peanuts at her. That way we all get something out of it.

Scenario:  Woman drops thermometer, it breaks, some mercury is spilled.  She calls 911 and says, "I just broke a mercury thermometer, do I have to worry about it?  Or can I just clean it up."

As the law is now where this woman lived the dispatcher is required to dispatch the hazmat team.  The exception that they are looking for is not to exempt people from having to pay but to allow for the dispatcher to not automatically send out the hazmat team.  She can instead direct the woman to go and get a mercury spill kit or some other course of action that does not require emergency vehicles.

In my city, if you called the non-emergency line with something they consider an emergency, they'll transfer you over without asking. I called to report someone dumping chemicals on the side of the road into a drain one time and that's exactly what they did. So if her city is similar, she may not have even called 911 to begin with.

True, but in her city there is no ...


Oh, I'm agreeing with you. They should create the exception. If they had the hazmat rule in my city the result would be 1) woman calls non-emergency line to find out how to properly dispose of the mercury 2) non-emergency automatically transfers to emergency line because "hazmat" 3) HAZMAT 4) $4000 bill
 
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