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(RealClear)   Former NFL player Brian Holloway, after giving the hundreds of kids who trashed his house the chance to own up to their actions and be forgiven and only four showed up: "Okay, fine, let's start arresting people"   (realclear.com) divider line 109
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2013-09-27 09:00:31 AM
24 votes:
He needs to expand his website to start publicly shaming the worthless enablers those kids have as parents as well.
2013-09-27 08:47:19 AM
9 votes:
t0.gstatic.com
2013-09-27 09:53:46 AM
8 votes:

dittybopper: SilentStrider: Pocket Ninja: He needs to expand his website to start publicly shaming the worthless enablers those kids have as parents as well.

Second.

Third.  Any objections?


No objections. The motion passes.
2013-09-27 08:52:35 AM
8 votes:
But those poor children!  What about their college prospects!

Oh right.

Fark them.

He gave them every opportunity to make it right and they ignored him.
2013-09-27 08:47:21 AM
8 votes:
doblelol.com
2013-09-27 08:34:26 AM
7 votes:
Good.
2013-09-27 10:22:15 AM
6 votes:
I'm still rather sickened about the fact that the parents of the miscreants actually planned to use a lawsuit as a browbeat technique to get him to pull the video. Snowflakes indeed.
2013-09-27 09:47:52 AM
6 votes:

SilentStrider: Pocket Ninja: He needs to expand his website to start publicly shaming the worthless enablers those kids have as parents as well.

Second.


Third.  Any objections?
2013-09-27 08:45:25 AM
6 votes:
GOOD
2013-09-27 11:46:09 AM
5 votes:

trappedspirit: The.  Parents.  What.  Did.  They.  Do.  To.  Enable.  This?

/this question so hard?


They refused to apologize, refused to have their kids go help him clean up his house, and they threatened to sue him for daring to press charges against the kids who broke into his house.

Every parent that didn't drag their idiot snowflake over there to apologize and help clean up is enabling.
2013-09-27 10:45:36 AM
5 votes:

QueenMamaBee: Some parents just disgust me. If my kid EVER pulls some crap like this (and he knows better!), then he'd be out there cleaning up dressed as Gumby or something. He embarrasses me... he's getting his arse embarrassed right back.


I am with you on this one - there would have been no damned way that she would not have been there helping to fix the damage.

Once, she got suspended from school for a couple of days and I made her go work at the horse barn with my ex - I instructed them that she was not to ride, had to clean stalls all day and do the grunt work.  She was complaining about how cold it was and how hard she worked that night and I told her that if she continues being stupid, then that is the type of job she could expect when (and if) she managed to get out of high school.  Dumb people who do dumb things that get you suspended wind up in physically hard and low paying jobs.

If Grumpy Cat had been around, I would have put his "Good" picture on her bedroom door.
2013-09-27 10:32:35 AM
5 votes:

NASAM: Pocket Ninja: He needs to expand his website to start publicly shaming the worthless enablers those kids have as parents as well.


This.

And the worst part is, some of the parents are threatening to sue if he outs them.


He'll end up owning their houses if they actually try it, or, more likely, his lawyer will.  It's mostly an empty threat.   The kids already outed themselves on public media.  The data is already public.
2013-09-27 10:22:41 AM
5 votes:

NASAM: Pocket Ninja: He needs to expand his website to start publicly shaming the worthless enablers those kids have as parents as well.


This.

And the worst part is, some of the parents are threatening to sue if he outs them.


The turd nugget doesn't fall far from the turd source.
2013-09-27 09:22:47 AM
5 votes:

Pocket Ninja: He needs to expand his website to start publicly shaming the worthless enablers those kids have as parents as well.


Second.
2013-09-27 10:30:51 AM
4 votes:

freak7: Chances are, most of the parents don't even know their kids were at the party.


They are minors (I assume) under their care and supervision. Lack of knowledge is not an excuse, because it is their job and responsibility to account for the whereabouts of their children at all times.
2013-09-27 10:28:58 AM
4 votes:
This is a stand up guy, giving these kids numerous chances to come clean, and they thought if they ignored him, he'd go away. Now the kids are getting ready to defend themselves over a felony rap. No matter what happens, the defense attorneys and bail bondsmen are gonna get a windfall. If any of the parents think their kids can get away scot free on what they did, well think again. If were up to me, I'd give the kids "baseball bat" therapy, and fine the parents an additional "stupidity charge". Good luck with that "parent-tards."
2013-09-27 09:00:30 AM
4 votes:
img.fark.net
2013-09-27 11:25:18 AM
3 votes:

Headso: If the damage was done at the beginning of the party and all who attended saw it sure, if it happened toward the end after some people had come and gone it's reasonable to believe some people just thought it was your typical house party


This didn't happen in the Marcy Projects or at some abandoned farm in Ass-Pick West Virginia. If you roll into a house party in this type of neighborhood and you see spray paint on the walls, holes kicked in the drywall, broken furniture and windows, you would have to be one of the stupidest people to ever grace this earth to not realize:

1. Something isn't right
2. Someone is going to be pissed
3. There will be consequences
2013-09-27 10:38:24 AM
3 votes:
I am suprised none of them came forward he gave them chances and has a crap ton of evidence. If I had done this my parents would have kicked my ass up and down the block.

And I think the parents are worse than the kids "How dare you post pictures of my dear sweet Kaiden. He would never do such things. If you didnt want that happening in your house you should have been there!"
2013-09-27 10:29:55 AM
3 votes:

Pocket Ninja: He needs to expand his website to start publicly shaming the worthless enablers those kids have as parents as well.


Why? If the parents actually file the lawsuit like they threatened to, we'll figure out who they are anyway!
2013-09-27 10:28:10 AM
3 votes:
The ringleader was a homeless kid he took in for a time. Moral of the story: No good deed goes unpunished.
2013-09-27 12:50:21 PM
2 votes:

farkinglizardking: the money is in the banana stand: super_grass: I get his frustration, but this is just too close to vigilanteism. They're just kids, and posting their pics online is only going to lead to harassment and mistaken identities. Combine that with the attractive nuisance and unsupervised (read: unsafe) condition of his house I'd say things are pretty damned even.

Human safety is worth more than your McMansion, I'm afraid.

Saying they are "just kids" is a total cop out. That doesn't excuse your behavior. Further, he is exposing the kids and doing the right thing allowing them to come forward, or have their parents make them come forward. Your actions have consequences even as a "kid". You don't get to run around doing whatever you want without any punishment and recourse. He deserves restitution, which would come from the families of the "kids".

Agreed. I lied to my parents when I was 16-17 and went to parties, but there was hell to pay the day they found out. If I was one of these little shiatheads (We partied at a friend's house, never broke into unoccupied homes) my parents would have gladly let me be charged and shamed me online.


Agreed.  My parents were all about taking responsibility for your actions.  They warned me that misdeeds would be met with consequences.  If I then went forward and misbehaved . . . well, I had been warned.  Had I been one of these little miscreants, they would have made me wish I was in jail.  It would have been protective custody.  And all of their punishment would be accomplished without laying hand on me.  My Dad never beat me or spanked me for misbehavior but I often wished he would.
2013-09-27 12:40:41 PM
2 votes:

the money is in the banana stand: super_grass: I get his frustration, but this is just too close to vigilanteism. They're just kids, and posting their pics online is only going to lead to harassment and mistaken identities. Combine that with the attractive nuisance and unsupervised (read: unsafe) condition of his house I'd say things are pretty damned even.

Human safety is worth more than your McMansion, I'm afraid.

Saying they are "just kids" is a total cop out. That doesn't excuse your behavior. Further, he is exposing the kids and doing the right thing allowing them to come forward, or have their parents make them come forward. Your actions have consequences even as a "kid". You don't get to run around doing whatever you want without any punishment and recourse. He deserves restitution, which would come from the families of the "kids".


Agreed. I lied to my parents when I was 16-17 and went to parties, but there was hell to pay the day they found out. If I was one of these little shiatheads (We partied at a friend's house, never broke into unoccupied homes) my parents would have gladly let me be charged and shamed me online.
2013-09-27 12:37:56 PM
2 votes:

super_grass: I get his frustration, but this is just too close to vigilanteism. They're just kids, and posting their pics online is only going to lead to harassment and mistaken identities. Combine that with the attractive nuisance and unsupervised (read: unsafe) condition of his house I'd say things are pretty damned even.

Human safety is worth more than your McMansion, I'm afraid.



So every one who has a summer house, or even leaves their house unattended can not hold anyone liable for breaking in and trashing it because no one was home at the time?

So if 300 kids pop by your house when you are out of town, destroy it, you are going to let bygones be bygones?

Plus these kids posted their own pics online, that is where he got them from.  They are the ones that put it out there.

How are these kids endangered by their pics online?  That the cops will arrest them for a crime they committed, that they themselves posted?

Guy gave them a chance to own it, even threw a big lunch and provided all the stuff necessary to clean up the joint, and only four people showed.
2013-09-27 12:18:02 PM
2 votes:

Krieghund: If it was my kid, I would tell them not to come forward and apologize.

I'm sure Holloway will stand by his word and won't press charges on the kids that confess, but I wouldn't want to take that chance. And just because he doesn't press charges it doesn't mean the police won't. You know they took the kids that confessed and told them to start coughing up names or they'd be charged with underage drinking, etc.

Even if my kid was in pictures taken at the party, good luck proving the jackass kid in the picture was actually my jackass kid.

The right thing is not necessarily the smart thing.


Hopefully you don't currently have any kids and never will as you are obviously not fit to perform that function.  I expect that this is a product of your upbringing and that your parents more then likely still tell you daily just how special you are.  You obviously have been shielded your entire life from disappointment, hardship, loss and culpability.  Unfortunately, kids tend to outlive their parents so at some time your safety net will be gone and you're going to have to deal with the trappings of human existence on your own.  Good luck with that.

There may still be hope for you; however, and should you decide to become part of the human race at some point please feel free to apply.  Otherwise, you can continue to live in the alternate dimension you call reality and hopefully that will work out for you.
2013-09-27 11:33:37 AM
2 votes:

NASAM: Pocket Ninja: He needs to expand his website to start publicly shaming the worthless enablers those kids have as parents as well.


This.

And the worst part is, some of the parents are threatening to sue if he outs them.


If he files a civil suit for these minor children, the parents names become public record on court documents.  I say file the civil suit naming every child identified to be at the party and include the responsible parent/guardians names as co-defendants and let them worry about filing motions to dismiss.  Post the full civil suit on website, and since that document is a matter of public record what are they going to do about it?
2013-09-27 11:23:02 AM
2 votes:

radiovox: The 4 kids who showed up and admitted being part of this should face much less punishment than those who are hiding from it.  I would work their little asses off in cleaning up and repairing the damage and then tack on some more community service.  For the rest of the little assholes?  Charge 'em!

Perhaps one of our fine Fark GED Attorneys can clarify a matter of law here.  Aren't the parents of minors responsible/liable for the kid's actions in the eyes of the law?  If a 15 year old breaks a window, the parents are on the hook to a point, right?

/flunked out of the Fark Legal Academy


More or less yes, it's not poltically correct to say, but LEGALLY minors are "chattel" of thier parents, which is to say, their property more or less.  When you property intentionally or negligently damages another, you have the liability for it.  In exactly the same way as you would be liabile for injuries caused by a bite from your dog.


What I wonder is whether any of these asshat parent, who very much seem the type, will hire a sleazebag lawyer to Sue the homeowner claiming that leave the house abandonded like that constituted "an attractive nusiance"  and therefore HE is liable to THEM for damages thier kid suffered.

Such a theory SHOULD get laughed out of court, especially given the ages of the participants (Attractive bnuisance is more palatable when it involves very young kids who might not be expected to "know better")  but it would not shock me in the slightest to see it tried
2013-09-27 11:16:57 AM
2 votes:

Headso: this thread: charge every kid with a felony! lock up all the parents and throw away the key!
next prison population thread: wtf! prison industrial complex trying to lock everyone up! this country is farked up with that shiat! we're no better than china, maaaaaan.


There's a difference between non-violent drug offenders that need help that prison won't solve and these people. There's also a lot more of them in the penal system.

\penal
2013-09-27 11:02:33 AM
2 votes:

Whatchoo Talkinbout: My parents would have kicked our asses and sent us to clean up, and do whatever was needed to make this right.

The 'NewlyTransformed America', how does it work?


Nobody gets spanked, everybody gets a trophy, everybody or nobody gets to be the valedictorian and everybody who tries out makes the cheerleading squad.  All the kids are on some type of prescribed pharmaceutical and in therapy and nobody is accountable for their own actions.
2013-09-27 10:56:29 AM
2 votes:

Headso: I read some of the tweets from the website the guy put up, the funny thing is it sounded like some of the kids didn't even know the party was being held in a house that was broken into to. Saying stuff like "thanks to the hosts, this was a great party"


Did you see the pictures of the house? Graffiti everywhere, lots of damage, and the $20k estimate does not include contents. Anyone there had to have known something was not right.
2013-09-27 10:56:05 AM
2 votes:

Headso: Lost Thought 00: freak7: Chances are, most of the parents don't even know their kids were at the party.

They are minors (I assume) under their care and supervision. Lack of knowledge is not an excuse, because it is their job and responsibility to account for the whereabouts of their children at all times.

should all parents put a tracking device on their teenagers or suffer the consequences of their 16 and 17 year old's actions? Kids lie about where they are going to be, a parent could make every attempt to know their kids whereabouts be satisfied that they do and still their kid went to this party.



Um, this IS part of parenting.  Parents will suffer for the actions of their children, especially financially.  This can't be a new fact to you.  Part of the whole "bring your kids up with some semblance of ethics" thing.  Fail at that, pay the price.  Working out what price the kids pays is between you and your kids, but the parties that suffer damages from the acts of your kids deserve to be compensated.
2013-09-27 10:47:36 AM
2 votes:

Gimmick: blindio: I'm assuming (because I didn't specifically see it in the article) that the four that did come forward are forgiven?  I would think having them do a little bit of work around the property, like patching/repainting walls, or something and thank them for being honest and give them a literal get out of jail free card?

No.  He is pressing charges against all of them, but is putting in a good word with the judge for the ones that showed up to clean.


You don't always have a choice as to press charges, anyway. If the DA thinks the best way to promote law and order is to arrest and charge everyone who participated, that's kind of their call. The aggreived individual's desire may not line up with the public interest that the DA is supposed to look out for.

In this particular case I imagine the four who showed will get some leniency.
2013-09-27 10:47:27 AM
2 votes:
My parents would have kicked our asses and sent us to clean up, and do whatever was needed to make this right.

The 'NewlyTransformed America', how does it work?
2013-09-27 10:47:16 AM
2 votes:
i47.photobucket.com
2013-09-27 10:43:07 AM
2 votes:

BizarreMan: But those poor children!  What about their college prospects!

Oh right.

Fark them.

He gave them every opportunity to make it right and they ignored him.


and in some cases threatened him with lawsuits for (truthfully) saying their kids were involved.   He gave the kids and their parents a chance to be grown ups and deal with their shiat, and take responsibilty for their actions  and they passed (which kind of explains why they were the kind of kids to do something like this in the first place)

What amazes me is the thought process of a parent who thinks "oh Noes, this man posting pictures of my kid trashing his house will RUIN junior's chances of going to college"    rather than "oh Noes, junior  trashing a man's house for giggles will ruin his chances of going to college"

as they Used to say back in cellblock 1   "Don't do the crime if ya can'ts do the time"
2013-09-27 10:42:32 AM
2 votes:
So I guess only four of those kids actually have parents....
2013-09-27 10:40:27 AM
2 votes:

indarwinsshadow: So. What's to be said? We show movies where people do sh*t like this, and when it happens in real life...people get angry?


Nothing new. I love heist movies, but abhor theft in real life. Superhero movies? Great! But in real life vigilantism is stupid and wrong.

Same with porn: the pornos I like to watch are great and all, but impractical in real life. I mean do you know how hard it is to get cotton candy out of your pubic hair?
2013-09-27 10:39:19 AM
2 votes:

Headso: I read some of the tweets from the website the guy put up, the funny thing is it sounded like some of the kids didn't even know the party was being held in a house that was broken into to. Saying stuff like "thanks to the hosts, this was a great party"


i would assume that's the case since most of them posted pictures on facebook and instagram.  that's how this guy figured out who they were in the first place.  so these kids all figured "i didn't know we were breaking the law, so i'm not going to help him clean up. it's not my fault."  unfortunately, the law does not work that way.  now they're going to face arrest because they were too stupid to simply apologize to the guy and help him clean up.
2013-09-27 10:38:42 AM
2 votes:
i.imgur.com
2013-09-27 10:30:37 AM
2 votes:
He took a higher road than I would've. I would've started with arresting people then created the website shaming them while having a PI collect information so I can sue all their parents. Give none quarter.
2013-09-27 10:18:24 AM
2 votes:

Headso: I've looked at property in Stephentown but the taxes there are insanely high, that guy probably pays 20,000 dollars a year in property taxes for that house.


What does that have to do with anything?
2013-09-27 10:17:41 AM
2 votes:
Considering the amount of damage, dollar value, would this be a felony under New York State law?
2013-09-27 10:16:31 AM
2 votes:

Walker: dittybopper: SilentStrider: Pocket Ninja: He needs to expand his website to start publicly shaming the worthless enablers those kids have as parents as well.

Second.

Third.  Any objections?

No objections. The motion passes.


*Applause*
2013-09-27 03:16:46 PM
1 votes:

tmonsta: hasty ambush: tmonsta: TMZ is reporting that the house is in foreclosure and was abandoned at the time of party and that Holloway is making a big deal of this to solicit donations.

http://www.tmz.com/2013/09/22/brian-holloway-patriots-party-house-fo re closure-new-york/

Even in foreclosure it is somebody's property.  The owner could still be libel for unrecovered monies, the mortgage holder and even the tax payers if taxes are owed.   It is not open to destruction by a bunch of thug and thuggette wanna be douches.

I am not defending the kids actions, I just think it is another one of the situations where everyone involved is a colossal douche-bag. In the late nineties Brian Holloway broke into the same house and wrecked it to drive out his soon-to-be ex-wife.

http://www.nytimes.com/1997/06/01/sports/one-more-athlete-s-wife-pic ks -up-the-pieces-of-her-life.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm


If you own the house and everything in it, as he did according to the article, he's not really breaking in.  He was violating a restraining order, but all the things he took were his to take.  It's a dickish move - something that often happens in nasty divorce cases - but it's in no way the same as teenagers breaking into a strangers house and having a party.
2013-09-27 03:16:33 PM
1 votes:

Slappy McLongstockings: Matthew Keene: Slappy McLongstockings: 
Where are the campaigns for testicular cancer? This pink ribbon shiat is discriminatory. I say 'Brownish-Yellow Ribbons for Testicular Cancer!'

Personally I would find the diagnosis of most of the people here simply to be justice and would appreciate the pain they will feel since they care not for the pain they cause others so they can play a game and wave around plastic pom poms.


Wow, do you go to church here?

elizabethgrattan.com

Either you're trolling, or you really need to get some help. I'm not saying that in a condescending way, but as someone who is able to recognize that thinking along these lines is a sign of a serious problem/s that need to be addressed. Please, this isn't an attempt to come down on you. Please give these people a call and see if they can help you:

http://www.nami.org/Content/ContentGroups/Helpline1/Mental_Health_Pr of essionals_Who_They_Are_and_How_to_Find_One.htm
2013-09-27 02:14:11 PM
1 votes:
hasty ambush: tmonsta: TMZ is reporting that the house is in foreclosure and was abandoned at the time of party and that Holloway is making a big deal of this to solicit donations.

http://www.tmz.com/2013/09/22/brian-holloway-patriots-party-house-fo re closure-new-york/

Even in foreclosure it is somebody's property.  The owner could still be libel for unrecovered monies, the mortgage holder and even the tax payers if taxes are owed.   It is not open to destruction by a bunch of thug and thuggette wanna be douches.

I am not defending the kids actions, I just think it is another one of the situations where everyone involved is a colossal douche-bag. In the late nineties Brian Holloway broke into the same house and wrecked it to drive out his soon-to-be ex-wife.

http://www.nytimes.com/1997/06/01/sports/one-more-athlete-s-wife-pic ks -up-the-pieces-of-her-life.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm
2013-09-27 01:50:04 PM
1 votes:

super_grass: theflatline: super_grass: I get his frustration, but this is just too close to vigilanteism. They're just kids, and posting their pics online is only going to lead to harassment and mistaken identities. Combine that with the attractive nuisance and unsupervised (read: unsafe) condition of his house I'd say things are pretty damned even.

Human safety is worth more than your McMansion, I'm afraid.


So every one who has a summer house, or even leaves their house unattended can not hold anyone liable for breaking in and trashing it because no one was home at the time?

So if 300 kids pop by your house when you are out of town, destroy it, you are going to let bygones be bygones?

Plus these kids posted their own pics online, that is where he got them from.  They are the ones that put it out there.

How are these kids endangered by their pics online?  That the cops will arrest them for a crime they committed, that they themselves posted?

Guy gave them a chance to own it, even threw a big lunch and provided all the stuff necessary to clean up the joint, and only four people showed.

IF you're some 1%-er with a house that you don't live in all year, don't be surprised when people take advantage of the situation. Get some insurance and move on.


The LAW was broken here. They BROKE into the man's house. They DESTROYED his property. He is in his RIGHT to protect his property and livelihood. These kids, even those ignorant of whose house it is, still BROKE THE LAW! This means there is a CONSEQUENCE to THEIR actions The idea that because someone does not use their home(s) all the time does not mean they can not charge someone for breaking and entering.

/Ignorance of the law is no excuse.
//Punishment for every kid who did not show up to help clean up.
2013-09-27 01:34:08 PM
1 votes:

super_grass: theflatline: super_grass: I get his frustration, but this is just too close to vigilanteism. They're just kids, and posting their pics online is only going to lead to harassment and mistaken identities. Combine that with the attractive nuisance and unsupervised (read: unsafe) condition of his house I'd say things are pretty damned even.

Human safety is worth more than your McMansion, I'm afraid.


So every one who has a summer house, or even leaves their house unattended can not hold anyone liable for breaking in and trashing it because no one was home at the time?

So if 300 kids pop by your house when you are out of town, destroy it, you are going to let bygones be bygones?

Plus these kids posted their own pics online, that is where he got them from.  They are the ones that put it out there.

How are these kids endangered by their pics online?  That the cops will arrest them for a crime they committed, that they themselves posted?

Guy gave them a chance to own it, even threw a big lunch and provided all the stuff necessary to clean up the joint, and only four people showed.

IF you're some 1%-er with a house that you don't live in all year, don't be surprised when people take advantage of the situation. Get some insurance and move on.


Wow, exactly what I would expect someone who actively defended Comrade Chavez in threads when that shiatbag was alive and profusely thanked him once he finally croaked to say.  He's a rich guy, he deserves to be punished for his ill-gotten wealth or at least have no right to retribution when that wealth is criminally lessened by others.  I know, you're upset probably that there's no communist-wanna-be who can come appropriate the properties and businesses of these bourgeois 1-%er bastards, but try to remember little things called property laws that these kids broke, and then bragged about.
2013-09-27 01:32:27 PM
1 votes:

tmonsta: TMZ is reporting that the house is in foreclosure and was abandoned at the time of party and that Holloway is making a big deal of this to solicit donations.

http://www.tmz.com/2013/09/22/brian-holloway-patriots-party-house-fo re closure-new-york/


Well then let the bank sue these little bastards. Damage is damage.


Oooooh, Bank of America vs. 300 Douchebags. I wouldn't know who to cheer for.
2013-09-27 01:30:12 PM
1 votes:
TMZ is reporting that the house is in foreclosure and was abandoned at the time of party and that Holloway is making a big deal of this to solicit donations.

http://www.tmz.com/2013/09/22/brian-holloway-patriots-party-house-fo re closure-new-york/
2013-09-27 01:26:29 PM
1 votes:
i1078.photobucket.com
2013-09-27 01:17:58 PM
1 votes:

umad: A real world test gives 2-300 sets of parents a chance to show that they are "good parents" and only four of them pass.

Yet five out of every five parents on fark claim that they are "good parents." Interesting.


Moreso, every one of 'em will say that non-parents cannot possibly judge parents despite simple litmus tests such as this.
2013-09-27 01:02:42 PM
1 votes:
Some of these "kids" were not minors. They're looking at jail time or at the minimum a nice criminal record. At the least, everyone else should have a criminal charge on their record, and some form of probation. They should be required to answe "Yes" to the employment/college application question "Were you ever arrested/convicted of a crime?"

Yes, the cries of "But now my child can't go to the college of their choice and will have to *shudder* go to community college!" will ring out from 300+ parents, I am sure.

Cue the much-used Grumpy Cat image.

You decided to drink adult drinks. You should be prepared to pay adult penalties.

/I hope the press continues to have a field day reporting this one...
2013-09-27 12:58:12 PM
1 votes:
Why is no one thinking of the children?

Oh, right. It's because they are all asshole snowflakes of asshole parents.

/carry on
2013-09-27 12:54:33 PM
1 votes:

Krieghund: If it was my kid, I would tell them not to come forward and apologize.

I'm sure Holloway will stand by his word and won't press charges on the kids that confess, but I wouldn't want to take that chance. And just because he doesn't press charges it doesn't mean the police won't. You know they took the kids that confessed and told them to start coughing up names or they'd be charged with underage drinking, etc.

Even if my kid was in pictures taken at the party, good luck proving the jackass kid in the picture was actually my jackass kid.

The right thing is not necessarily the smart thing.


Which attitude would make you and excellent Defense attorney and a lousy parent.  An attorney's ethical obligation ot their client is to do everything they can to protec them from civil or criminal libaility.  A parent's ethical duty to thier kids is to teach them that actions have consequences and to take responsibility for the wrong they do in the world

/once involved in the representation of  a man about to go on trial for rape.  Minutes before the trial his mother visited with him.  The day before she had uncovered some fact or evidence that convinced her of his guilt beyond any doubt.  She  told him that he had two choices
1), plead guilty and apologize and she'd do everything she could for him to help him do his time and get out as soon as possible
2) take his chances at trial, in which case, no matter what happened, he was dead to her, and she would never speak to him again, especially not if he got locked up

//He Plead.
2013-09-27 12:45:06 PM
1 votes:

super_grass: I get his frustration, but this is just too close to vigilanteism. They're just kids, and posting their pics online is only going to lead to harassment and mistaken identities. Combine that with the attractive nuisance and unsupervised (read: unsafe) condition of his house I'd say things are pretty damned even.

Human safety is worth more than your McMansion, I'm afraid.


You cannot be serious.  If you are, I hope you never breed or have any role in child rearing of any kind.

I'm thinking excellent troll post.  If so, 9.95/10 well done.
2013-09-27 12:42:18 PM
1 votes:

Krieghund: If it was my kid, I would tell them not to come forward and apologize.

I'm sure Holloway will stand by his word and won't press charges on the kids that confess, but I wouldn't want to take that chance. And just because he doesn't press charges it doesn't mean the police won't. You know they took the kids that confessed and told them to start coughing up names or they'd be charged with underage drinking, etc.

Even if my kid was in pictures taken at the party, good luck proving the jackass kid in the picture was actually my jackass kid.

The right thing is not necessarily the smart thing.


If you were my neighbor and I was a crime being committed against you or your property, I wouldn't call the police.

I would for my other neighbors.
2013-09-27 12:34:12 PM
1 votes:

Guadior42: Slappy McLongstockings: He should feel shame for supporting an organization like the NFL.

Think of all the useless stupid crap made for each NFL player and the diseases it gives the most vulnerable.  He should feel shame for the countless deaths his organization has contributed to as well as each NFL fan that continues to support people that give others diseases which lead to a painful death.

OK, I'll bite.

What the Fark are you talking about?

/don't know
//seriously, I have no idea


Sounds to me like he has a serious beef with the NFL and because Holloway was a former player, he should have no rights because of his association even if he had no part in how the organization was run.
2013-09-27 12:27:32 PM
1 votes:
Looks like there were 4 conservative families in the group
2013-09-27 12:05:18 PM
1 votes:

Krieghund: The right thing is not necessarily the smart easy thing.


FTFY.

You can successfully behave in a self-protective manner and still be a worthless douchebag who denigrates society with your very existence. I don't think that qualifies as "smart."
2013-09-27 12:05:13 PM
1 votes:

Ned Stark: Tyrosine: Ned Stark: Tyrosine: Headso: I read some of the tweets from the website the guy put up, the funny thing is it sounded like some of the kids didn't even know the party was being held in a house that was broken into to. Saying stuff like "thanks to the hosts, this was a great party"

Did you see the pictures of the house? Graffiti everywhere, lots of damage, and the $20k estimate does not include contents. Anyone there had to have known something was not right.

No not really. Spray cans could have come out at any time during the night.

Just a word of advice: If you are either so myopic or gullible as to believe the kids at the party "totally thought everything was cool" then you might want to shut down your email accounts before you get any messages from Nigerian prices needing needing your assistance.

What, never went to a party where you didn't know the homeowner?

Which do you think is more likely, a conspiracy of 300 teenagers who picked out a house and planned a party and maintained perfect secrecy up until the moment the party started and then as a group went immediately full retard and posted pics everywhere -or- a grouop of 8 or so teenagers who planned a party and broke the locks plus 292 teenagers who got a text saying "my c-razy uncle says we got the house for this weekend! Tell all your friends!"


I am going to go with:
300 teens breaking the law
pretty certain that everyone knew that it was illegal to be at a party where underage drinking was happening. that it was illegal for them to drink. that few, if ANY home owners want 300 kids in their house when they are not home. that vandalism is illegal. the destruction of property is illegal.
that if they had asked their parents/told their parents about the party, that the parent probably would have had a problem with them going to this party without any adults present.

so yah
the kiddies should get what's coming to them
which will mostly be juvie shiat ....
except for the older kids ...
HAHAH HAHAHAHAH fark THEM for being the little shiats that they are
2013-09-27 12:04:00 PM
1 votes:

Ned Stark: What, never went to a party where you didn't know the homeowner?

Which do you think is more likely, a conspiracy of 300 teenagers who picked out a house and planned a party and maintained perfect secrecy up until the moment the party started and then as a group went immediately full retard and posted pics everywhere -or- a grouop of 8 or so teenagers who planned a party and broke the locks plus 292 teenagers who got a text saying "my c-razy uncle says we got the house for this weekend! Tell all your friends!"


If I got to a party and the house was being trashed, or at the very least the door to get in was smashed I'd know something was up. Back in my high school mindset I don't know if I would have left, but I'd have known the party was sketchy.

That's why probably only 15 at most will get serious charges while the rest get some misdemeanor that will end in a fine and/or community service.
2013-09-27 12:00:54 PM
1 votes:

Krieghund: If it was my kid, I would tell them not to come forward and apologize.


So you are ok with your shiat being a spoiled little piece of crap?
Great. Just what the world needs, another POS like you.

/why are these people allowed to reproduce?
2013-09-27 11:56:44 AM
1 votes:
When I read about this I can't help imagining with horror what my dad would have done to me if I'd been caught trashing someone's house.
2013-09-27 11:56:27 AM
1 votes:

trappedspirit: MadMattressMack: MadMattressMack: trappedspirit: MadMattressMack: trappedspirit: Pocket Ninja: He needs to expand his website to start publicly shaming the worthless enablers those kids have as parents as well.

What did the parents do again?

Enabled their children. Parents can be held liable and he can sue them for damages if he can prove their snow flake was the one that did the damage. So the ones who took picks of them breaking stuff or spray painted their name are really in trouble.

What did they do to enable this?  That's what I am asking.

They had children. You are financially, legally, and morally responsible for them and their actions until they hit 18.

/FTFM

I thought there was something more because of all the hate sauce


it's part of the moral obligation. For the most part i's the parent's responsibility to keep their kids from farking up. When confronted with the fact that their kids farked up, the parents either (most) did nothing or (a few) threatened lawsuits.

As a parent, I can understand being upset that other parents considered this a reasonable course of action.
2013-09-27 11:51:32 AM
1 votes:

trappedspirit: I thought there was something more because of all the hate sauce


You know how he posted the pictures and identities of the kids at the party?  Pictures and information he got from those idiots own twitter and facebook accounts?

The parents of some of those kids have threatened to sue him.
2013-09-27 11:48:49 AM
1 votes:

Headso: this thread: charge every kid with a felony! lock up all the parents and throw away the key!
next prison population thread: wtf! prison industrial complex trying to lock everyone up! this country is farked up with that shiat! we're no better than china, maaaaaan.


These are real crimes, not bullshiat ones like smoking dope.  Lock 'em up and let them out only after they've been hammered hard.
2013-09-27 11:48:45 AM
1 votes:

Headso: I agree if you are there and all this shiat is happening you probably should gtfo but up to that point you might just think this is a party at some kid's house whose parents are out of town.


How many houses in that town were owned by a former NFL player/super bowl winner?  I bet the vast majority of those kids knew exactly what they were doing.  Whether they caused the damage or saw it is irrelevant; they were trespassing.
2013-09-27 11:46:53 AM
1 votes:

Ned Stark: Tyrosine: Headso: I read some of the tweets from the website the guy put up, the funny thing is it sounded like some of the kids didn't even know the party was being held in a house that was broken into to. Saying stuff like "thanks to the hosts, this was a great party"

Did you see the pictures of the house? Graffiti everywhere, lots of damage, and the $20k estimate does not include contents. Anyone there had to have known something was not right.

No not really. Spray cans could have come out at any time during the night.


Just a word of advice: If you are either so myopic or gullible as to believe the kids at the party "totally thought everything was cool" then you might want to shut down your email accounts before you get any messages from Nigerian prices needing needing your assistance.
2013-09-27 11:45:14 AM
1 votes:

Whatchoo Talkinbout: My parents would have kicked our asses and sent us to clean up, and do whatever was needed to make this right.

The 'NewlyTransformed America', how does it work?


My mom would have made sure that what ever this guy wanted done around his house, for the next few years, would be done by me. Quickly, quietly, and correctly.
2013-09-27 11:41:58 AM
1 votes:

trappedspirit: Pocket Ninja: He needs to expand his website to start publicly shaming the worthless enablers those kids have as parents as well.

What did the parents do again?


Failed.
2013-09-27 11:34:06 AM
1 votes:
It's funny that some of you are defending these kids. The house was farking trashed, graffiti all over the place, people pissing on the floor, etc. Does this sound like a normal house party? Teenagers are stupid, but they aren't so stupid to not realize something was wrong about being there. He gave them a chance to redeem themselves and clean the house. That's way more generous than most people would be in that situation.
2013-09-27 11:33:15 AM
1 votes:

Headso: this thread: charge every kid with a felony! lock up all the parents and throw away the key!
next prison population thread: wtf! prison industrial complex trying to lock everyone up! this country is farked up with that shiat! we're no better than china, maaaaaan.


Prison? Life-long criminal record? No. But restitution and community service. It's good for kids to face the consequences of their actions, and I'm saying this as someone who as a juvenile did pull some stupid shiat, got caught, and faced up to what I did.
2013-09-27 11:30:17 AM
1 votes:

starsrift: Snarfangel: Thebiggestgrumpycatgoodintheuniverse.jpg

[aneverbiggergrumpycatgood.jpg]

 i.imgur.com
2013-09-27 11:25:32 AM
1 votes:

Guadior42: What the Fark are you talking about?


For instance..the NFL and the Pink Ribbon problem. They sell the Pink Ribbon football and the Pink Ribbon people sell their Pink Ribbon logo to companies like Yoplait who makes products with chemicals known to cause breast cancers. Same with Victoria's Secret. So many of their products contain parabens.

The chemicals used in the production of NFL paraphernalia all over the world kills people while others cheer with them and they think they have a moral high ground?

I think not.
2013-09-27 11:22:54 AM
1 votes:

Headso: this thread: charge every kid with a felony! lock up all the parents and throw away the key!
next prison population thread: wtf! prison industrial complex trying to lock everyone up! this country is farked up with that shiat! we're no better than china, maaaaaan.


That's a lovely straw man you're building there.
2013-09-27 11:16:19 AM
1 votes:

Headso: this thread: charge every kid with a felony! lock up all the parents and throw away the key!
next prison population thread: wtf! prison industrial complex trying to lock everyone up! this country is farked up with that shiat! we're no better than china, maaaaaan.


I highly doubt most of these kids will see a jail. The ones who have done things before might because fark offenders who are dumb enough to be caught multiple times, but most will be put in ARD/Probation/whatever their state's equivalent is.
2013-09-27 11:14:38 AM
1 votes:
I just love that the little dumbasses posted all of the evidence to the internet.  10 years ago, 99% of those meddling kids would have gotten away with it because they could just claim they showed up, realized things were bad and just left.  Now we've got twitter pages full of evidence.
2013-09-27 11:14:09 AM
1 votes:
Screw those punk kids but on the other hand ....  Brian Holloway seems to have taken too many blows to the head.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSvadf9e_AI
2013-09-27 11:12:39 AM
1 votes:
this thread: charge every kid with a felony! lock up all the parents and throw away the key!
next prison population thread: wtf! prison industrial complex trying to lock everyone up! this country is farked up with that shiat! we're no better than china, maaaaaan.
2013-09-27 11:11:40 AM
1 votes:

ferretman: I'm thinking that some of the kids haven't told their parents that they were there.....and are going to be in deeper shiat when the cops so up to their door.


Wouldn't the parents at least be curious? If I'd seen a party like that at or near my hometown and read that the perps posted the damn pictures of themselves.... I'd be checking it.
2013-09-27 11:11:18 AM
1 votes:

trappedspirit: Pocket Ninja: He needs to expand his website to start publicly shaming the worthless enablers those kids have as parents as well.

What did the parents do again?


Perhaps you missed the part where some of the parents threatened a lawsuit against the homeowner for shaming their poor precious little snowflakes.
2013-09-27 11:10:48 AM
1 votes:

trappedspirit: Pocket Ninja: He needs to expand his website to start publicly shaming the worthless enablers those kids have as parents as well.

What did the parents do again?


Enabled.
2013-09-27 11:06:59 AM
1 votes:
The 4 kids who showed up and admitted being part of this should face much less punishment than those who are hiding from it.  I would work their little asses off in cleaning up and repairing the damage and then tack on some more community service.  For the rest of the little assholes?  Charge 'em!

Perhaps one of our fine Fark GED Attorneys can clarify a matter of law here.  Aren't the parents of minors responsible/liable for the kid's actions in the eyes of the law?  If a 15 year old breaks a window, the parents are on the hook to a point, right?

/flunked out of the Fark Legal Academy
2013-09-27 11:04:48 AM
1 votes:

freak7: Lost Thought 00: freak7: Chances are, most of the parents don't even know their kids were at the party.

They are minors (I assume) under their care and supervision. Lack of knowledge is not an excuse, because it is their job and responsibility to account for the whereabouts of their children at all times.

I'm not making excuses, just stating a fact. Also, if you think you can keep track of a teens whereabouts at all times, well that tells me you don't have kids.

My point was that if more parents were aware that there kids were there, more would have shown up.

If it turns out that the kids of the parent or parents who were batching about their snowflakes picture being posted online didn't show up to clean, I'm all for taking them out back and shooting them.


This story is getting heavy coverage and it took place in a fairly tight community. Parents would have to be willfully ignorant to not be aware of what happened and check to see if their kids were involved.
2013-09-27 11:02:51 AM
1 votes:

Slappy McLongstockings: He should feel shame for supporting an organization like the NFL.

Think of all the useless stupid crap made for each NFL player and the diseases it gives the most vulnerable.  He should feel shame for the countless deaths his organization has contributed to as well as each NFL fan that continues to support people that give others diseases which lead to a painful death.


OK, I'll bite.

What the Fark are you talking about?

/don't know
//seriously, I have no idea
2013-09-27 11:02:50 AM
1 votes:
fta He said hearing about Hawk's involvement "was a shocker."

img.photobucket.com
2013-09-27 11:02:35 AM
1 votes:
The kids are surprising. The parents are the ones. They should have showed up with their kids in tow and helped clean up.

Enjoy the felony convictions. Your son is going to be a juvenile hall biatch. He'll have to give bjs just to get his pants back.

/A woman in Arizona thought a stay in juvenile would teach her son a lesson. He ended up being a suck boy for gang bangers. He had to suck them off or they would keep his clothing. She sure taught him a lesson. Maybe she'll take care of his case of AIDS for him.
2013-09-27 11:00:17 AM
1 votes:

pueblonative: Wonder what the DA who has to prosecute these cases thinks of Mr. Holloway trying this case in the public like this. I'm sure the defense won't try to use that.


More than likely it will be used against the defense, because it shows that the defendants don't regret their actions.
2013-09-27 10:59:10 AM
1 votes:
Last time this thread was around, it turned into a debate about what the definition of trespassing was.  Let's hope that doesn't happen again.  That seems to be the most minor of issues.  The ones that have been charged so far have been charged with felonies like burglary and larceny, not to mention endangering minors.

Those people are in deep shiat.  It's not going to help this guy get the money to fix his property, but it's a start.

The thing I find most appalling is that the kid that started it all is a kid that Mr. Football had taken in and helped for a time.  Apparently, no good deed goes unpunished.
2013-09-27 10:57:40 AM
1 votes:
sd.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk
2013-09-27 10:56:12 AM
1 votes:
GOOD
2013-09-27 10:54:19 AM
1 votes:

Slappy McLongstockings: tommyl66: Slappy McLongstockings: He should feel shame for supporting an organization like the NFL.

Think of all the useless stupid crap made for each NFL player and the diseases it gives the most vulnerable.  He should feel shame for the countless deaths his organization has contributed to as well as each NFL fan that continues to support people that give others diseases which lead to a painful death.

Shut up, Dorn.

Thanks tommy for showing how seriously ill-informed you are..perhaps you need to feel good about yourself as an NFL fan that can't face up to the fact that they are poisoning people for stupid foam fingers.

I wish you well in your voyage of denial so you can at least live with yourself day to day.

Any day some NFL player wishes to discuss their role in being instrumental in promoting products that kill kids....come step up to the line with a real warrior.


Likely what is happening is he is asking the DA/DA's assistant to press charges against those involved - he can't pick and choose because in a lot of areas that'd be malicious prosecution. What he can do is use the fact that those kids came forward as a mitigating circumstance when the now-defendant is working with the DA.
2013-09-27 10:53:07 AM
1 votes:

groppet: I am suprised none of them came forward he gave them chances and has a crap ton of evidence. If I had done this my parents would have kicked my ass up and down the block.


Back when I was a teenager, my folks told me that if I ended up in jail, they weren't going to bail me out. Fortunately, I stayed out of jail.

WTF is it with those parents? Are they convinced that their little snowflakes would never do something like this, or are they actively encourage them to be asshats?
2013-09-27 10:52:22 AM
1 votes:

2wolves: Considering the amount of damage, dollar value, would this be a felony under New York State law?


Probably yes.  this seems to fit the bill legally:
Criminal Mischief in the 2nd Degree
Criminal mischief in the 2nd degree occurs when you act with intent to damage someone else's property and actually damage it where the damage is valued at more than $1,500.
Second degree criminal mischief is a Class D felony which carries a potential sentence of up to 7 years in prison.


Legally every kid at the party was a co-conspirator to the crime and therefore are individually responsible for the whole dollar amount of damage caused. On top of that, it would be easy to throw a felony charge of burglary at them because in New York the elements of that crime are only "unlawfully entering a building with the intent to commit a crime therein.   The crime in this case being the aformentioned criminal mischief.

Now, given how well of these spoiled little brats seem to be, my guess is they will all get very expensive lawyers and the overworked prosecutor in the town will offer most of the kids a plea baragin down to :
Criminal Mischief in the 4th Degree
You may be facing this offense if the prosecutor has probable cause to believe that you did any of the following:
Intentionally damaged someone else's property,
Intentionally participated in the destruction of an abandoned building,
Recklessly damaged property of someone else's where the damage is valued at more than $250,


and likely given "community service"/suspended sentences/PBJs

one or two will have to be made an example of and given the full felony rap, but I'm guessing that'll be a poor kid who can only afford a public defender
2013-09-27 10:49:31 AM
1 votes:

palelizard: Think of it as outsourcing to inmates.


Now I am at peace with his decision.
2013-09-27 10:46:19 AM
1 votes:

Feel_the_velvet: I don't know if this is the right move.

I mean, wouldn't it more satisfying to just beat the shiat out each one of those little farkers individually?


My sister is dealing with a similar issue, though no damage, some stuff was stolen. They were on vacation and a younger friend of the family was watching the place. The tweets went out, kids showed up, photos taken, etc..

Sadly due to the law as it is written there may be no recourse as it is implied the kids are allowed in there unless it was written into an agreement that no one was to be in there other than the person watching the place.

We're working on a campaign to at least shame them somewhat. Farking stupid kids.
2013-09-27 10:41:58 AM
1 votes:
I'm assuming (because I didn't specifically see it in the article) that the four that did come forward are forgiven?  I would think having them do a little bit of work around the property, like patching/repainting walls, or something and thank them for being honest and give them a literal get out of jail free card?
2013-09-27 10:38:54 AM
1 votes:

Lumbar Puncture: NASAM: Pocket Ninja: He needs to expand his website to start publicly shaming the worthless enablers those kids have as parents as well.


This.

And the worst part is, some of the parents are threatening to sue if he outs them.

The turd nugget doesn't fall far from the turd source.


If you're going to quote Emily Dickinson, at least give her the credit.
2013-09-27 10:32:39 AM
1 votes:
img.fark.net
2013-09-27 10:29:47 AM
1 votes:

NASAM: Pocket Ninja: He needs to expand his website to start publicly shaming the worthless enablers those kids have as parents as well.


This.

And the worst part is, some of the parents are threatening to sue if he outs them.


I tell those bastards to bring it.  (and kiss my a*s)
2013-09-27 10:29:36 AM
1 votes:
i.imgur.com
2013-09-27 10:28:45 AM
1 votes:

HailRobonia: The ringleader was a homeless kid he took in for a time. Moral of the story: No good deed goes unpunished.


Never trust the homeless
2013-09-27 10:26:08 AM
1 votes:
Some parents just disgust me. If my kid EVER pulls some crap like this (and he knows better!), then he'd be out there cleaning up dressed as Gumby or something. He embarrasses me... he's getting his arse embarrassed right back.
2013-09-27 10:25:46 AM
1 votes:
Good.

Take the worthless parents with them.
2013-09-27 10:25:24 AM
1 votes:
Bust 'em all, little shiats.
2013-09-27 10:20:16 AM
1 votes:

Pocket Ninja: He needs to expand his website to start publicly shaming the worthless enablers those kids have as parents as well.



This.

And the worst part is, some of the parents are threatening to sue if he outs them.
2013-09-27 10:19:38 AM
1 votes:

2wolves: Considering the amount of damage, dollar value, would this be a felony under New York State law?


If there's any justice in this world.
2013-09-27 10:16:12 AM
1 votes:
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