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(RealClear)   Former NFL player Brian Holloway, after giving the hundreds of kids who trashed his house the chance to own up to their actions and be forgiven and only four showed up: "Okay, fine, let's start arresting people"   (realclear.com) divider line 322
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2013-09-27 10:34:09 AM

ShadowLAnCeR: Walker: dittybopper: SilentStrider: Pocket Ninja: He needs to expand his website to start publicly shaming the worthless enablers those kids have as parents as well.

Second.

Third.  Any objections?

No objections. The motion passes.

*Applause*


HARUMPH!

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2013-09-27 10:35:33 AM
FreeBirdInTheHand

Trespassing, unlawful entry, malicious mischief... could be a few charges to choose from.

Why not all 3, you ignored your chance to make it right so now you get door number 2.
 
2013-09-27 10:35:43 AM
I don't know if this is the right move.

I mean, wouldn't it more satisfying to just beat the shiat out each one of those little farkers individually?
 
2013-09-27 10:35:53 AM

MadMattressMack: He took a higher road than I would've. I would've started with arresting people then created the website shaming them while having a PI collect information so I can sue all their parents. Give none quarter.


Odd. That's my policy with the homeless.
 
2013-09-27 10:37:23 AM
The parents need to shamed also for enabling those little farkers.
 
2013-09-27 10:38:01 AM

Feel_the_velvet: I don't know if this is the right move.

I mean, wouldn't it more satisfying to just beat the shiat out each one of those little farkers individually?


Think of it as outsourcing to inmates.
 
2013-09-27 10:38:24 AM
I am suprised none of them came forward he gave them chances and has a crap ton of evidence. If I had done this my parents would have kicked my ass up and down the block.

And I think the parents are worse than the kids "How dare you post pictures of my dear sweet Kaiden. He would never do such things. If you didnt want that happening in your house you should have been there!"
 
2013-09-27 10:38:42 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-09-27 10:38:42 AM
If my kid were involved, I would want them to help with cleanup and pay restitution. With that said, if the homeowner was trying to stir up a media frenzy and hired private security for the cleanup event, steering clear until things calmed down might seem prudent.
 
2013-09-27 10:38:54 AM

Lumbar Puncture: NASAM: Pocket Ninja: He needs to expand his website to start publicly shaming the worthless enablers those kids have as parents as well.


This.

And the worst part is, some of the parents are threatening to sue if he outs them.

The turd nugget doesn't fall far from the turd source.


If you're going to quote Emily Dickinson, at least give her the credit.
 
2013-09-27 10:39:19 AM

Headso: I read some of the tweets from the website the guy put up, the funny thing is it sounded like some of the kids didn't even know the party was being held in a house that was broken into to. Saying stuff like "thanks to the hosts, this was a great party"


i would assume that's the case since most of them posted pictures on facebook and instagram.  that's how this guy figured out who they were in the first place.  so these kids all figured "i didn't know we were breaking the law, so i'm not going to help him clean up. it's not my fault."  unfortunately, the law does not work that way.  now they're going to face arrest because they were too stupid to simply apologize to the guy and help him clean up.
 
2013-09-27 10:39:33 AM
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2013-09-27 10:39:45 AM

Lost Thought 00: HailRobonia: The ringleader was a homeless kid he took in for a time. Moral of the story: No good deed goes unpunished.

Never trust the homeless


Damn straight.

lh3.googleusercontent.com

/I had a horse named Rusty
 
2013-09-27 10:40:05 AM

yanoosh: The parents need to shamed also for enabling those little farkers.


When their kids live with them well into their 40's, they'll feel enough shame.

Who is going to hire these little assholes? Which colleges will accept them?
 
2013-09-27 10:40:27 AM

indarwinsshadow: So. What's to be said? We show movies where people do sh*t like this, and when it happens in real life...people get angry?


Nothing new. I love heist movies, but abhor theft in real life. Superhero movies? Great! But in real life vigilantism is stupid and wrong.

Same with porn: the pornos I like to watch are great and all, but impractical in real life. I mean do you know how hard it is to get cotton candy out of your pubic hair?
 
2013-09-27 10:40:30 AM

Lost Thought 00: freak7: Chances are, most of the parents don't even know their kids were at the party.

They are minors (I assume) under their care and supervision. Lack of knowledge is not an excuse, because it is their job and responsibility to account for the whereabouts of their children at all times.


should all parents put a tracking device on their teenagers or suffer the consequences of their 16 and 17 year old's actions? Kids lie about where they are going to be, a parent could make every attempt to know their kids whereabouts be satisfied that they do and still their kid went to this party.
 
2013-09-27 10:41:11 AM

NASAM: And the worst part is, some of the parents are threatening to sue if he outs them.


sue him for what?
 
2013-09-27 10:41:58 AM
I'm assuming (because I didn't specifically see it in the article) that the four that did come forward are forgiven?  I would think having them do a little bit of work around the property, like patching/repainting walls, or something and thank them for being honest and give them a literal get out of jail free card?
 
2013-09-27 10:42:32 AM
So I guess only four of those kids actually have parents....
 
2013-09-27 10:43:07 AM

BizarreMan: But those poor children!  What about their college prospects!

Oh right.

Fark them.

He gave them every opportunity to make it right and they ignored him.


and in some cases threatened him with lawsuits for (truthfully) saying their kids were involved.   He gave the kids and their parents a chance to be grown ups and deal with their shiat, and take responsibilty for their actions  and they passed (which kind of explains why they were the kind of kids to do something like this in the first place)

What amazes me is the thought process of a parent who thinks "oh Noes, this man posting pictures of my kid trashing his house will RUIN junior's chances of going to college"    rather than "oh Noes, junior  trashing a man's house for giggles will ruin his chances of going to college"

as they Used to say back in cellblock 1   "Don't do the crime if ya can'ts do the time"
 
2013-09-27 10:43:53 AM

blindio: I'm assuming (because I didn't specifically see it in the article) that the four that did come forward are forgiven?  I would think having them do a little bit of work around the property, like patching/repainting walls, or something and thank them for being honest and give them a literal get out of jail free card?


No.  He is pressing charges against all of them, but is putting in a good word with the judge for the ones that showed up to clean.
 
2013-09-27 10:44:20 AM

tommyl66: Slappy McLongstockings: He should feel shame for supporting an organization like the NFL.

Think of all the useless stupid crap made for each NFL player and the diseases it gives the most vulnerable.  He should feel shame for the countless deaths his organization has contributed to as well as each NFL fan that continues to support people that give others diseases which lead to a painful death.

Shut up, Dorn.


Thanks tommy for showing how seriously ill-informed you are..perhaps you need to feel good about yourself as an NFL fan that can't face up to the fact that they are poisoning people for stupid foam fingers.

I wish you well in your voyage of denial so you can at least live with yourself day to day.

Any day some NFL player wishes to discuss their role in being instrumental in promoting products that kill kids....come step up to the line with a real warrior.
 
2013-09-27 10:45:35 AM

Walker: dittybopper: SilentStrider: Pocket Ninja: He needs to expand his website to start publicly shaming the worthless enablers those kids have as parents as well.

Second.

Third.  Any objections?

No objections. The motion passes.


All in favor, say AYE.
 
2013-09-27 10:45:36 AM

QueenMamaBee: Some parents just disgust me. If my kid EVER pulls some crap like this (and he knows better!), then he'd be out there cleaning up dressed as Gumby or something. He embarrasses me... he's getting his arse embarrassed right back.


I am with you on this one - there would have been no damned way that she would not have been there helping to fix the damage.

Once, she got suspended from school for a couple of days and I made her go work at the horse barn with my ex - I instructed them that she was not to ride, had to clean stalls all day and do the grunt work.  She was complaining about how cold it was and how hard she worked that night and I told her that if she continues being stupid, then that is the type of job she could expect when (and if) she managed to get out of high school.  Dumb people who do dumb things that get you suspended wind up in physically hard and low paying jobs.

If Grumpy Cat had been around, I would have put his "Good" picture on her bedroom door.
 
2013-09-27 10:46:19 AM

Feel_the_velvet: I don't know if this is the right move.

I mean, wouldn't it more satisfying to just beat the shiat out each one of those little farkers individually?


My sister is dealing with a similar issue, though no damage, some stuff was stolen. They were on vacation and a younger friend of the family was watching the place. The tweets went out, kids showed up, photos taken, etc..

Sadly due to the law as it is written there may be no recourse as it is implied the kids are allowed in there unless it was written into an agreement that no one was to be in there other than the person watching the place.

We're working on a campaign to at least shame them somewhat. Farking stupid kids.
 
2013-09-27 10:46:42 AM

drunkness_monster00: 3/10.


Second rating..and those that rate don't bother to address the issue.

Maybe you will find the post of the other and you can be friends....my fark is better without cowards afraid to address the issue.
 
2013-09-27 10:47:04 AM
SWEEP THE LEG.


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SWEEP. THE. LEG.
 
2013-09-27 10:47:16 AM
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2013-09-27 10:47:27 AM
My parents would have kicked our asses and sent us to clean up, and do whatever was needed to make this right.

The 'NewlyTransformed America', how does it work?
 
2013-09-27 10:47:36 AM

Gimmick: blindio: I'm assuming (because I didn't specifically see it in the article) that the four that did come forward are forgiven?  I would think having them do a little bit of work around the property, like patching/repainting walls, or something and thank them for being honest and give them a literal get out of jail free card?

No.  He is pressing charges against all of them, but is putting in a good word with the judge for the ones that showed up to clean.


You don't always have a choice as to press charges, anyway. If the DA thinks the best way to promote law and order is to arrest and charge everyone who participated, that's kind of their call. The aggreived individual's desire may not line up with the public interest that the DA is supposed to look out for.

In this particular case I imagine the four who showed will get some leniency.
 
2013-09-27 10:48:16 AM

stir22: NASAM: And the worst part is, some of the parents are threatening to sue if he outs them.

sue him for what?


http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/ex-nfl-star-face-lawsuits -p arents-house-crashing-teens-article-1.1462008
 
2013-09-27 10:49:31 AM

palelizard: Think of it as outsourcing to inmates.


Now I am at peace with his decision.
 
2013-09-27 10:51:43 AM

stir22: NASAM: And the worst part is, some of the parents are threatening to sue if he outs them.

sue him for what?


Slandering the good name of their little snowflakes and making it harder to get into a good college
 
2013-09-27 10:52:22 AM

2wolves: Considering the amount of damage, dollar value, would this be a felony under New York State law?


Probably yes.  this seems to fit the bill legally:
Criminal Mischief in the 2nd Degree
Criminal mischief in the 2nd degree occurs when you act with intent to damage someone else's property and actually damage it where the damage is valued at more than $1,500.
Second degree criminal mischief is a Class D felony which carries a potential sentence of up to 7 years in prison.


Legally every kid at the party was a co-conspirator to the crime and therefore are individually responsible for the whole dollar amount of damage caused. On top of that, it would be easy to throw a felony charge of burglary at them because in New York the elements of that crime are only "unlawfully entering a building with the intent to commit a crime therein.   The crime in this case being the aformentioned criminal mischief.

Now, given how well of these spoiled little brats seem to be, my guess is they will all get very expensive lawyers and the overworked prosecutor in the town will offer most of the kids a plea baragin down to :
Criminal Mischief in the 4th Degree
You may be facing this offense if the prosecutor has probable cause to believe that you did any of the following:
Intentionally damaged someone else's property,
Intentionally participated in the destruction of an abandoned building,
Recklessly damaged property of someone else's where the damage is valued at more than $250,


and likely given "community service"/suspended sentences/PBJs

one or two will have to be made an example of and given the full felony rap, but I'm guessing that'll be a poor kid who can only afford a public defender
 
2013-09-27 10:53:07 AM

groppet: I am suprised none of them came forward he gave them chances and has a crap ton of evidence. If I had done this my parents would have kicked my ass up and down the block.


Back when I was a teenager, my folks told me that if I ended up in jail, they weren't going to bail me out. Fortunately, I stayed out of jail.

WTF is it with those parents? Are they convinced that their little snowflakes would never do something like this, or are they actively encourage them to be asshats?
 
2013-09-27 10:53:08 AM
HailRobonia:
 I mean do you know how hard it is to get cotton candy out of your pubic hair?

Actually, yes I do.
 
2013-09-27 10:53:19 AM

Walker: dittybopper: SilentStrider: Pocket Ninja: He needs to expand his website to start publicly shaming the worthless enablers those kids have as parents as well.

Second.

Third.  Any objections?

No objections. The motion passes.


You forgot to call for question and have a show of hands.  Your parlimentary skills are as lacking as my ability to spell parlimentary
 
2013-09-27 10:54:19 AM

Slappy McLongstockings: tommyl66: Slappy McLongstockings: He should feel shame for supporting an organization like the NFL.

Think of all the useless stupid crap made for each NFL player and the diseases it gives the most vulnerable.  He should feel shame for the countless deaths his organization has contributed to as well as each NFL fan that continues to support people that give others diseases which lead to a painful death.

Shut up, Dorn.

Thanks tommy for showing how seriously ill-informed you are..perhaps you need to feel good about yourself as an NFL fan that can't face up to the fact that they are poisoning people for stupid foam fingers.

I wish you well in your voyage of denial so you can at least live with yourself day to day.

Any day some NFL player wishes to discuss their role in being instrumental in promoting products that kill kids....come step up to the line with a real warrior.


Likely what is happening is he is asking the DA/DA's assistant to press charges against those involved - he can't pick and choose because in a lot of areas that'd be malicious prosecution. What he can do is use the fact that those kids came forward as a mitigating circumstance when the now-defendant is working with the DA.
 
2013-09-27 10:54:52 AM
My lack of sympathy for them is compounded by the multiple instances of duckface and seeing "shiat was live" so many times in the screenshots. Seriously, who says that? Am I just getting old?
 
2013-09-27 10:55:29 AM
Wonder what the DA who has to prosecute these cases thinks of Mr. Holloway trying this case in the public like this. I'm sure the defense won't try to use that.
 
2013-09-27 10:56:05 AM

Headso: Lost Thought 00: freak7: Chances are, most of the parents don't even know their kids were at the party.

They are minors (I assume) under their care and supervision. Lack of knowledge is not an excuse, because it is their job and responsibility to account for the whereabouts of their children at all times.

should all parents put a tracking device on their teenagers or suffer the consequences of their 16 and 17 year old's actions? Kids lie about where they are going to be, a parent could make every attempt to know their kids whereabouts be satisfied that they do and still their kid went to this party.



Um, this IS part of parenting.  Parents will suffer for the actions of their children, especially financially.  This can't be a new fact to you.  Part of the whole "bring your kids up with some semblance of ethics" thing.  Fail at that, pay the price.  Working out what price the kids pays is between you and your kids, but the parties that suffer damages from the acts of your kids deserve to be compensated.
 
2013-09-27 10:56:12 AM
GOOD
 
2013-09-27 10:56:29 AM

Headso: I read some of the tweets from the website the guy put up, the funny thing is it sounded like some of the kids didn't even know the party was being held in a house that was broken into to. Saying stuff like "thanks to the hosts, this was a great party"


Did you see the pictures of the house? Graffiti everywhere, lots of damage, and the $20k estimate does not include contents. Anyone there had to have known something was not right.
 
2013-09-27 10:57:09 AM

Pocket Ninja: He needs to expand his website to start publicly shaming the worthless enablers those kids have as parents as well.


I bourbon toast in your honor, sir!
 
2013-09-27 10:57:40 AM
sd.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk
 
2013-09-27 10:59:04 AM

Smeggy Smurf: Walker: dittybopper: SilentStrider: Pocket Ninja: He needs to expand his website to start publicly shaming the worthless enablers those kids have as parents as well.

Second.

Third.  Any objections?

No objections. The motion passes.

You forgot to call for question and have a show of hands.  Your parlimentary skills are as lacking as my ability to spell parlimentary


www.parisdjs.com
 
2013-09-27 10:59:10 AM
Last time this thread was around, it turned into a debate about what the definition of trespassing was.  Let's hope that doesn't happen again.  That seems to be the most minor of issues.  The ones that have been charged so far have been charged with felonies like burglary and larceny, not to mention endangering minors.

Those people are in deep shiat.  It's not going to help this guy get the money to fix his property, but it's a start.

The thing I find most appalling is that the kid that started it all is a kid that Mr. Football had taken in and helped for a time.  Apparently, no good deed goes unpunished.
 
2013-09-27 11:00:17 AM

pueblonative: Wonder what the DA who has to prosecute these cases thinks of Mr. Holloway trying this case in the public like this. I'm sure the defense won't try to use that.


More than likely it will be used against the defense, because it shows that the defendants don't regret their actions.
 
2013-09-27 11:02:07 AM
Police said a ringleader of the party was 19-year-old Seth Hawk, the young man Holloway said he had taken into his family a few years ago.

What the fark, you idiot kid?
 
2013-09-27 11:02:15 AM
Precious little snowflakes and the assholes who spawned them strike again
 
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