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(RealClear)   Former NFL player Brian Holloway, after giving the hundreds of kids who trashed his house the chance to own up to their actions and be forgiven and only four showed up: "Okay, fine, let's start arresting people"   (realclear.com) divider line 322
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2013-09-27 08:34:26 AM  
Good.
 
2013-09-27 08:45:25 AM  
GOOD
 
2013-09-27 08:47:19 AM  
t0.gstatic.com
 
2013-09-27 08:47:21 AM  
doblelol.com
 
2013-09-27 08:52:35 AM  
But those poor children!  What about their college prospects!

Oh right.

Fark them.

He gave them every opportunity to make it right and they ignored him.
 
2013-09-27 09:00:30 AM  
img.fark.net
 
2013-09-27 09:00:31 AM  
He needs to expand his website to start publicly shaming the worthless enablers those kids have as parents as well.
 
2013-09-27 09:22:47 AM  

Pocket Ninja: He needs to expand his website to start publicly shaming the worthless enablers those kids have as parents as well.


Second.
 
2013-09-27 09:47:52 AM  

SilentStrider: Pocket Ninja: He needs to expand his website to start publicly shaming the worthless enablers those kids have as parents as well.

Second.


Third.  Any objections?
 
2013-09-27 09:53:46 AM  

dittybopper: SilentStrider: Pocket Ninja: He needs to expand his website to start publicly shaming the worthless enablers those kids have as parents as well.

Second.

Third.  Any objections?


No objections. The motion passes.
 
2013-09-27 10:16:12 AM  
Grumpycatgood.jpg
 
2013-09-27 10:16:31 AM  

Walker: dittybopper: SilentStrider: Pocket Ninja: He needs to expand his website to start publicly shaming the worthless enablers those kids have as parents as well.

Second.

Third.  Any objections?

No objections. The motion passes.


*Applause*
 
2013-09-27 10:17:16 AM  
I've looked at property in Stephentown but the taxes there are insanely high, that guy probably pays 20,000 dollars a year in property taxes for that house.
 
2013-09-27 10:17:41 AM  
Considering the amount of damage, dollar value, would this be a felony under New York State law?
 
2013-09-27 10:18:03 AM  

ShadowLAnCeR: Walker: dittybopper: SilentStrider: Pocket Ninja: He needs to expand his website to start publicly shaming the worthless enablers those kids have as parents as well.

Second.

Third.  Any objections?

No objections. The motion passes.

*Applause*


Scruffy believes in this punishment...
 
2013-09-27 10:18:23 AM  

ShadowLAnCeR: Walker: dittybopper: SilentStrider: Pocket Ninja: He needs to expand his website to start publicly shaming the worthless enablers those kids have as parents as well.

Second.

Third.  Any objections?

No objections. The motion passes.

*Applause*


I'll get the lights.
 
2013-09-27 10:18:24 AM  

Headso: I've looked at property in Stephentown but the taxes there are insanely high, that guy probably pays 20,000 dollars a year in property taxes for that house.


What does that have to do with anything?
 
2013-09-27 10:19:38 AM  

2wolves: Considering the amount of damage, dollar value, would this be a felony under New York State law?


If there's any justice in this world.
 
2013-09-27 10:20:16 AM  

Pocket Ninja: He needs to expand his website to start publicly shaming the worthless enablers those kids have as parents as well.



This.

And the worst part is, some of the parents are threatening to sue if he outs them.
 
2013-09-27 10:21:20 AM  

Valeriyance: ShadowLAnCeR: Walker: dittybopper: SilentStrider: Pocket Ninja: He needs to expand his website to start publicly shaming the worthless enablers those kids have as parents as well.

Second.

Third.  Any objections?

No objections. The motion passes.

*Applause*

I'll get the lights.


Hey, where is everybody?
 
2013-09-27 10:22:02 AM  

BizarreMan: But those poor children!  What about their college prospects!

Oh right.

Fark them.

He gave them every opportunity to make it right and they ignored him.


The sooner America turns its serpent's teeth into Soylent Green, the better!


/am I doing the outrage right?
 
2013-09-27 10:22:15 AM  
I'm still rather sickened about the fact that the parents of the miscreants actually planned to use a lawsuit as a browbeat technique to get him to pull the video. Snowflakes indeed.
 
2013-09-27 10:22:41 AM  

NASAM: Pocket Ninja: He needs to expand his website to start publicly shaming the worthless enablers those kids have as parents as well.


This.

And the worst part is, some of the parents are threatening to sue if he outs them.


The turd nugget doesn't fall far from the turd source.
 
2013-09-27 10:23:12 AM  
He should feel shame for supporting an organization like the NFL.

Think of all the useless stupid crap made for each NFL player and the diseases it gives the most vulnerable.  He should feel shame for the countless deaths his organization has contributed to as well as each NFL fan that continues to support people that give others diseases which lead to a painful death.
 
2013-09-27 10:24:40 AM  

baconbeard: Headso: I've looked at property in Stephentown but the taxes there are insanely high, that guy probably pays 20,000 dollars a year in property taxes for that house.

What does that have to do with anything?


nothing really, it's just an odd fact about the town the story takes place in.
 
2013-09-27 10:25:24 AM  
Bust 'em all, little shiats.
 
2013-09-27 10:25:46 AM  
Good.

Take the worthless parents with them.
 
2013-09-27 10:26:08 AM  
Some parents just disgust me. If my kid EVER pulls some crap like this (and he knows better!), then he'd be out there cleaning up dressed as Gumby or something. He embarrasses me... he's getting his arse embarrassed right back.
 
2013-09-27 10:26:15 AM  

Slappy McLongstockings: He should feel shame for supporting an organization like the NFL.

Think of all the useless stupid crap made for each NFL player and the diseases it gives the most vulnerable.  He should feel shame for the countless deaths his organization has contributed to as well as each NFL fan that continues to support people that give others diseases which lead to a painful death.


Shut up, Dorn.
 
2013-09-27 10:27:27 AM  

2wolves: Considering the amount of damage, dollar value, would this be a felony under New York State law?


Maybe for the organizers, but for most attendees it would be hard to pin specific damages on them, so probably will end up with misdemeanor vandalism or something similar
 
2013-09-27 10:28:10 AM  
The ringleader was a homeless kid he took in for a time. Moral of the story: No good deed goes unpunished.
 
2013-09-27 10:28:14 AM  
We live in a weird world.

Hollywood will make a movie starring **fill in your favourite 17-29 year old actor(s)** about this, where they'll show the actors/kids trashing the house, drinking, and destroying the neighbourhood and whipping off clever lines..

And everyone will laugh. It'll be a small but successful run.

So. What's to be said? We show movies where people do sh*t like this, and when it happens in real life...people get angry?

I'm not defending the sh*t heads that did this. I'm saying we should start sorting out the messages we condone. Yeah, I know. It's entertainment. Lighten up. It's only a movie, blah, blah, etc,,etc. But it's stupid and ironic.

//fark it. Off my lawn.
 
2013-09-27 10:28:27 AM  
Fark them all, kids, wannabe parents, ALL DEM BIATCHES.
 
2013-09-27 10:28:45 AM  

HailRobonia: The ringleader was a homeless kid he took in for a time. Moral of the story: No good deed goes unpunished.


Never trust the homeless
 
2013-09-27 10:28:55 AM  
Settle up, make it right or get shamed.

If we can't use the internet for that then just unplug it....there's no use for it at all.
 
2013-09-27 10:28:58 AM  
This is a stand up guy, giving these kids numerous chances to come clean, and they thought if they ignored him, he'd go away. Now the kids are getting ready to defend themselves over a felony rap. No matter what happens, the defense attorneys and bail bondsmen are gonna get a windfall. If any of the parents think their kids can get away scot free on what they did, well think again. If were up to me, I'd give the kids "baseball bat" therapy, and fine the parents an additional "stupidity charge". Good luck with that "parent-tards."
 
2013-09-27 10:29:25 AM  

Slappy McLongstockings: He should feel shame for supporting an organization like the NFL.

Think of all the useless stupid crap made for each NFL player and the diseases it gives the most vulnerable.  He should feel shame for the countless deaths his organization has contributed to as well as each NFL fan that continues to support people that give others diseases which lead to a painful death.


3/10.

You might get some bites.
 
2013-09-27 10:29:36 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-09-27 10:29:47 AM  

NASAM: Pocket Ninja: He needs to expand his website to start publicly shaming the worthless enablers those kids have as parents as well.


This.

And the worst part is, some of the parents are threatening to sue if he outs them.


I tell those bastards to bring it.  (and kiss my a*s)
 
2013-09-27 10:29:55 AM  

Pocket Ninja: He needs to expand his website to start publicly shaming the worthless enablers those kids have as parents as well.


Why? If the parents actually file the lawsuit like they threatened to, we'll figure out who they are anyway!
 
2013-09-27 10:30:09 AM  
I read some of the tweets from the website the guy put up, the funny thing is it sounded like some of the kids didn't even know the party was being held in a house that was broken into to. Saying stuff like "thanks to the hosts, this was a great party"
 
2013-09-27 10:30:28 AM  

Lost Thought 00: 2wolves: Considering the amount of damage, dollar value, would this be a felony under New York State law?

Maybe for the organizers, but for most attendees it would be hard to pin specific damages on them, so probably will end up with misdemeanor vandalism or something similar


Trespassing, unlawful entry, malicious mischief... could be a few charges to choose from.
 
2013-09-27 10:30:32 AM  

Slappy McLongstockings: He should feel shame for supporting an organization like the NFL.

Think of all the useless stupid crap made for each NFL player and the diseases it gives the most vulnerable.  He should feel shame for the countless deaths his organization has contributed to as well as each NFL fan that continues to support people that give others diseases which lead to a painful death.


i586.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-27 10:30:37 AM  
He took a higher road than I would've. I would've started with arresting people then created the website shaming them while having a PI collect information so I can sue all their parents. Give none quarter.
 
2013-09-27 10:30:51 AM  

freak7: Chances are, most of the parents don't even know their kids were at the party.


They are minors (I assume) under their care and supervision. Lack of knowledge is not an excuse, because it is their job and responsibility to account for the whereabouts of their children at all times.
 
2013-09-27 10:31:49 AM  

indarwinsshadow: We live in a weird world.

Hollywood will make a movie starring **fill in your favourite 17-29 year old actor(s)** about this, where they'll show the actors/kids trashing the house, drinking, and destroying the neighbourhood and whipping off clever lines..

And everyone will laugh. It'll be a small but successful run.

So. What's to be said? We show movies where people do sh*t like this, and when it happens in real life...people get angry?

I'm not defending the sh*t heads that did this. I'm saying we should start sorting out the messages we condone. Yeah, I know. It's entertainment. Lighten up. It's only a movie, blah, blah, etc,,etc. But it's stupid and ironic.

//fark it. Off my lawn.


Dude, It's just a movi....oh, you covered that.

/Lighten up, Francis.
 
2013-09-27 10:32:35 AM  

NASAM: Pocket Ninja: He needs to expand his website to start publicly shaming the worthless enablers those kids have as parents as well.


This.

And the worst part is, some of the parents are threatening to sue if he outs them.


He'll end up owning their houses if they actually try it, or, more likely, his lawyer will.  It's mostly an empty threat.   The kids already outed themselves on public media.  The data is already public.
 
2013-09-27 10:32:39 AM  
img.fark.net
 
2013-09-27 10:33:12 AM  

BizarreMan: But those poor children!  What about their college prospects!

Oh right.

Fark them.

He gave them every opportunity to make it right and they ignored him.


COMBO BREAKER!
 
2013-09-27 10:33:14 AM  
Stupid image caching.  That was supposed to be even more embiggened.
 
2013-09-27 10:34:09 AM  

ShadowLAnCeR: Walker: dittybopper: SilentStrider: Pocket Ninja: He needs to expand his website to start publicly shaming the worthless enablers those kids have as parents as well.

Second.

Third.  Any objections?

No objections. The motion passes.

*Applause*


HARUMPH!

webpages.charter.net
 
2013-09-27 10:35:33 AM  
FreeBirdInTheHand

Trespassing, unlawful entry, malicious mischief... could be a few charges to choose from.

Why not all 3, you ignored your chance to make it right so now you get door number 2.
 
2013-09-27 10:35:43 AM  
I don't know if this is the right move.

I mean, wouldn't it more satisfying to just beat the shiat out each one of those little farkers individually?
 
2013-09-27 10:35:53 AM  

MadMattressMack: He took a higher road than I would've. I would've started with arresting people then created the website shaming them while having a PI collect information so I can sue all their parents. Give none quarter.


Odd. That's my policy with the homeless.
 
2013-09-27 10:37:23 AM  
The parents need to shamed also for enabling those little farkers.
 
2013-09-27 10:38:01 AM  

Feel_the_velvet: I don't know if this is the right move.

I mean, wouldn't it more satisfying to just beat the shiat out each one of those little farkers individually?


Think of it as outsourcing to inmates.
 
2013-09-27 10:38:24 AM  
I am suprised none of them came forward he gave them chances and has a crap ton of evidence. If I had done this my parents would have kicked my ass up and down the block.

And I think the parents are worse than the kids "How dare you post pictures of my dear sweet Kaiden. He would never do such things. If you didnt want that happening in your house you should have been there!"
 
2013-09-27 10:38:42 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-09-27 10:38:42 AM  
If my kid were involved, I would want them to help with cleanup and pay restitution. With that said, if the homeowner was trying to stir up a media frenzy and hired private security for the cleanup event, steering clear until things calmed down might seem prudent.
 
2013-09-27 10:38:54 AM  

Lumbar Puncture: NASAM: Pocket Ninja: He needs to expand his website to start publicly shaming the worthless enablers those kids have as parents as well.


This.

And the worst part is, some of the parents are threatening to sue if he outs them.

The turd nugget doesn't fall far from the turd source.


If you're going to quote Emily Dickinson, at least give her the credit.
 
2013-09-27 10:39:19 AM  

Headso: I read some of the tweets from the website the guy put up, the funny thing is it sounded like some of the kids didn't even know the party was being held in a house that was broken into to. Saying stuff like "thanks to the hosts, this was a great party"


i would assume that's the case since most of them posted pictures on facebook and instagram.  that's how this guy figured out who they were in the first place.  so these kids all figured "i didn't know we were breaking the law, so i'm not going to help him clean up. it's not my fault."  unfortunately, the law does not work that way.  now they're going to face arrest because they were too stupid to simply apologize to the guy and help him clean up.
 
2013-09-27 10:39:33 AM  
stream1.gifsoup.com
 
2013-09-27 10:39:45 AM  

Lost Thought 00: HailRobonia: The ringleader was a homeless kid he took in for a time. Moral of the story: No good deed goes unpunished.

Never trust the homeless


Damn straight.

lh3.googleusercontent.com

/I had a horse named Rusty
 
2013-09-27 10:40:05 AM  

yanoosh: The parents need to shamed also for enabling those little farkers.


When their kids live with them well into their 40's, they'll feel enough shame.

Who is going to hire these little assholes? Which colleges will accept them?
 
2013-09-27 10:40:27 AM  

indarwinsshadow: So. What's to be said? We show movies where people do sh*t like this, and when it happens in real life...people get angry?


Nothing new. I love heist movies, but abhor theft in real life. Superhero movies? Great! But in real life vigilantism is stupid and wrong.

Same with porn: the pornos I like to watch are great and all, but impractical in real life. I mean do you know how hard it is to get cotton candy out of your pubic hair?
 
2013-09-27 10:40:30 AM  

Lost Thought 00: freak7: Chances are, most of the parents don't even know their kids were at the party.

They are minors (I assume) under their care and supervision. Lack of knowledge is not an excuse, because it is their job and responsibility to account for the whereabouts of their children at all times.


should all parents put a tracking device on their teenagers or suffer the consequences of their 16 and 17 year old's actions? Kids lie about where they are going to be, a parent could make every attempt to know their kids whereabouts be satisfied that they do and still their kid went to this party.
 
2013-09-27 10:41:11 AM  

NASAM: And the worst part is, some of the parents are threatening to sue if he outs them.


sue him for what?
 
2013-09-27 10:41:58 AM  
I'm assuming (because I didn't specifically see it in the article) that the four that did come forward are forgiven?  I would think having them do a little bit of work around the property, like patching/repainting walls, or something and thank them for being honest and give them a literal get out of jail free card?
 
2013-09-27 10:42:32 AM  
So I guess only four of those kids actually have parents....
 
2013-09-27 10:43:07 AM  

BizarreMan: But those poor children!  What about their college prospects!

Oh right.

Fark them.

He gave them every opportunity to make it right and they ignored him.


and in some cases threatened him with lawsuits for (truthfully) saying their kids were involved.   He gave the kids and their parents a chance to be grown ups and deal with their shiat, and take responsibilty for their actions  and they passed (which kind of explains why they were the kind of kids to do something like this in the first place)

What amazes me is the thought process of a parent who thinks "oh Noes, this man posting pictures of my kid trashing his house will RUIN junior's chances of going to college"    rather than "oh Noes, junior  trashing a man's house for giggles will ruin his chances of going to college"

as they Used to say back in cellblock 1   "Don't do the crime if ya can'ts do the time"
 
2013-09-27 10:43:53 AM  

blindio: I'm assuming (because I didn't specifically see it in the article) that the four that did come forward are forgiven?  I would think having them do a little bit of work around the property, like patching/repainting walls, or something and thank them for being honest and give them a literal get out of jail free card?


No.  He is pressing charges against all of them, but is putting in a good word with the judge for the ones that showed up to clean.
 
2013-09-27 10:44:20 AM  

tommyl66: Slappy McLongstockings: He should feel shame for supporting an organization like the NFL.

Think of all the useless stupid crap made for each NFL player and the diseases it gives the most vulnerable.  He should feel shame for the countless deaths his organization has contributed to as well as each NFL fan that continues to support people that give others diseases which lead to a painful death.

Shut up, Dorn.


Thanks tommy for showing how seriously ill-informed you are..perhaps you need to feel good about yourself as an NFL fan that can't face up to the fact that they are poisoning people for stupid foam fingers.

I wish you well in your voyage of denial so you can at least live with yourself day to day.

Any day some NFL player wishes to discuss their role in being instrumental in promoting products that kill kids....come step up to the line with a real warrior.
 
2013-09-27 10:45:35 AM  

Walker: dittybopper: SilentStrider: Pocket Ninja: He needs to expand his website to start publicly shaming the worthless enablers those kids have as parents as well.

Second.

Third.  Any objections?

No objections. The motion passes.


All in favor, say AYE.
 
2013-09-27 10:45:36 AM  

QueenMamaBee: Some parents just disgust me. If my kid EVER pulls some crap like this (and he knows better!), then he'd be out there cleaning up dressed as Gumby or something. He embarrasses me... he's getting his arse embarrassed right back.


I am with you on this one - there would have been no damned way that she would not have been there helping to fix the damage.

Once, she got suspended from school for a couple of days and I made her go work at the horse barn with my ex - I instructed them that she was not to ride, had to clean stalls all day and do the grunt work.  She was complaining about how cold it was and how hard she worked that night and I told her that if she continues being stupid, then that is the type of job she could expect when (and if) she managed to get out of high school.  Dumb people who do dumb things that get you suspended wind up in physically hard and low paying jobs.

If Grumpy Cat had been around, I would have put his "Good" picture on her bedroom door.
 
2013-09-27 10:46:19 AM  

Feel_the_velvet: I don't know if this is the right move.

I mean, wouldn't it more satisfying to just beat the shiat out each one of those little farkers individually?


My sister is dealing with a similar issue, though no damage, some stuff was stolen. They were on vacation and a younger friend of the family was watching the place. The tweets went out, kids showed up, photos taken, etc..

Sadly due to the law as it is written there may be no recourse as it is implied the kids are allowed in there unless it was written into an agreement that no one was to be in there other than the person watching the place.

We're working on a campaign to at least shame them somewhat. Farking stupid kids.
 
2013-09-27 10:46:42 AM  

drunkness_monster00: 3/10.


Second rating..and those that rate don't bother to address the issue.

Maybe you will find the post of the other and you can be friends....my fark is better without cowards afraid to address the issue.
 
2013-09-27 10:47:04 AM  
SWEEP THE LEG.


076dd0a50e0c1255009e-bd4b8aabaca29897bc751dfaf75b290c.r40.cf1.rackcdn.com

SWEEP. THE. LEG.
 
2013-09-27 10:47:16 AM  
i47.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-27 10:47:27 AM  
My parents would have kicked our asses and sent us to clean up, and do whatever was needed to make this right.

The 'NewlyTransformed America', how does it work?
 
2013-09-27 10:47:36 AM  

Gimmick: blindio: I'm assuming (because I didn't specifically see it in the article) that the four that did come forward are forgiven?  I would think having them do a little bit of work around the property, like patching/repainting walls, or something and thank them for being honest and give them a literal get out of jail free card?

No.  He is pressing charges against all of them, but is putting in a good word with the judge for the ones that showed up to clean.


You don't always have a choice as to press charges, anyway. If the DA thinks the best way to promote law and order is to arrest and charge everyone who participated, that's kind of their call. The aggreived individual's desire may not line up with the public interest that the DA is supposed to look out for.

In this particular case I imagine the four who showed will get some leniency.
 
2013-09-27 10:48:16 AM  

stir22: NASAM: And the worst part is, some of the parents are threatening to sue if he outs them.

sue him for what?


http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/ex-nfl-star-face-lawsuits -p arents-house-crashing-teens-article-1.1462008
 
2013-09-27 10:49:31 AM  

palelizard: Think of it as outsourcing to inmates.


Now I am at peace with his decision.
 
2013-09-27 10:51:43 AM  

stir22: NASAM: And the worst part is, some of the parents are threatening to sue if he outs them.

sue him for what?


Slandering the good name of their little snowflakes and making it harder to get into a good college
 
2013-09-27 10:52:22 AM  

2wolves: Considering the amount of damage, dollar value, would this be a felony under New York State law?


Probably yes.  this seems to fit the bill legally:
Criminal Mischief in the 2nd Degree
Criminal mischief in the 2nd degree occurs when you act with intent to damage someone else's property and actually damage it where the damage is valued at more than $1,500.
Second degree criminal mischief is a Class D felony which carries a potential sentence of up to 7 years in prison.


Legally every kid at the party was a co-conspirator to the crime and therefore are individually responsible for the whole dollar amount of damage caused. On top of that, it would be easy to throw a felony charge of burglary at them because in New York the elements of that crime are only "unlawfully entering a building with the intent to commit a crime therein.   The crime in this case being the aformentioned criminal mischief.

Now, given how well of these spoiled little brats seem to be, my guess is they will all get very expensive lawyers and the overworked prosecutor in the town will offer most of the kids a plea baragin down to :
Criminal Mischief in the 4th Degree
You may be facing this offense if the prosecutor has probable cause to believe that you did any of the following:
Intentionally damaged someone else's property,
Intentionally participated in the destruction of an abandoned building,
Recklessly damaged property of someone else's where the damage is valued at more than $250,


and likely given "community service"/suspended sentences/PBJs

one or two will have to be made an example of and given the full felony rap, but I'm guessing that'll be a poor kid who can only afford a public defender
 
2013-09-27 10:53:07 AM  

groppet: I am suprised none of them came forward he gave them chances and has a crap ton of evidence. If I had done this my parents would have kicked my ass up and down the block.


Back when I was a teenager, my folks told me that if I ended up in jail, they weren't going to bail me out. Fortunately, I stayed out of jail.

WTF is it with those parents? Are they convinced that their little snowflakes would never do something like this, or are they actively encourage them to be asshats?
 
2013-09-27 10:53:08 AM  
HailRobonia:
 I mean do you know how hard it is to get cotton candy out of your pubic hair?

Actually, yes I do.
 
2013-09-27 10:53:19 AM  

Walker: dittybopper: SilentStrider: Pocket Ninja: He needs to expand his website to start publicly shaming the worthless enablers those kids have as parents as well.

Second.

Third.  Any objections?

No objections. The motion passes.


You forgot to call for question and have a show of hands.  Your parlimentary skills are as lacking as my ability to spell parlimentary
 
2013-09-27 10:54:19 AM  

Slappy McLongstockings: tommyl66: Slappy McLongstockings: He should feel shame for supporting an organization like the NFL.

Think of all the useless stupid crap made for each NFL player and the diseases it gives the most vulnerable.  He should feel shame for the countless deaths his organization has contributed to as well as each NFL fan that continues to support people that give others diseases which lead to a painful death.

Shut up, Dorn.

Thanks tommy for showing how seriously ill-informed you are..perhaps you need to feel good about yourself as an NFL fan that can't face up to the fact that they are poisoning people for stupid foam fingers.

I wish you well in your voyage of denial so you can at least live with yourself day to day.

Any day some NFL player wishes to discuss their role in being instrumental in promoting products that kill kids....come step up to the line with a real warrior.


Likely what is happening is he is asking the DA/DA's assistant to press charges against those involved - he can't pick and choose because in a lot of areas that'd be malicious prosecution. What he can do is use the fact that those kids came forward as a mitigating circumstance when the now-defendant is working with the DA.
 
2013-09-27 10:54:52 AM  
My lack of sympathy for them is compounded by the multiple instances of duckface and seeing "shiat was live" so many times in the screenshots. Seriously, who says that? Am I just getting old?
 
2013-09-27 10:55:29 AM  
Wonder what the DA who has to prosecute these cases thinks of Mr. Holloway trying this case in the public like this. I'm sure the defense won't try to use that.
 
2013-09-27 10:56:05 AM  

Headso: Lost Thought 00: freak7: Chances are, most of the parents don't even know their kids were at the party.

They are minors (I assume) under their care and supervision. Lack of knowledge is not an excuse, because it is their job and responsibility to account for the whereabouts of their children at all times.

should all parents put a tracking device on their teenagers or suffer the consequences of their 16 and 17 year old's actions? Kids lie about where they are going to be, a parent could make every attempt to know their kids whereabouts be satisfied that they do and still their kid went to this party.



Um, this IS part of parenting.  Parents will suffer for the actions of their children, especially financially.  This can't be a new fact to you.  Part of the whole "bring your kids up with some semblance of ethics" thing.  Fail at that, pay the price.  Working out what price the kids pays is between you and your kids, but the parties that suffer damages from the acts of your kids deserve to be compensated.
 
2013-09-27 10:56:12 AM  
GOOD
 
2013-09-27 10:56:29 AM  

Headso: I read some of the tweets from the website the guy put up, the funny thing is it sounded like some of the kids didn't even know the party was being held in a house that was broken into to. Saying stuff like "thanks to the hosts, this was a great party"


Did you see the pictures of the house? Graffiti everywhere, lots of damage, and the $20k estimate does not include contents. Anyone there had to have known something was not right.
 
2013-09-27 10:57:09 AM  

Pocket Ninja: He needs to expand his website to start publicly shaming the worthless enablers those kids have as parents as well.


I bourbon toast in your honor, sir!
 
2013-09-27 10:57:40 AM  
sd.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk
 
2013-09-27 10:59:04 AM  

Smeggy Smurf: Walker: dittybopper: SilentStrider: Pocket Ninja: He needs to expand his website to start publicly shaming the worthless enablers those kids have as parents as well.

Second.

Third.  Any objections?

No objections. The motion passes.

You forgot to call for question and have a show of hands.  Your parlimentary skills are as lacking as my ability to spell parlimentary


www.parisdjs.com
 
2013-09-27 10:59:10 AM  
Last time this thread was around, it turned into a debate about what the definition of trespassing was.  Let's hope that doesn't happen again.  That seems to be the most minor of issues.  The ones that have been charged so far have been charged with felonies like burglary and larceny, not to mention endangering minors.

Those people are in deep shiat.  It's not going to help this guy get the money to fix his property, but it's a start.

The thing I find most appalling is that the kid that started it all is a kid that Mr. Football had taken in and helped for a time.  Apparently, no good deed goes unpunished.
 
2013-09-27 11:00:17 AM  

pueblonative: Wonder what the DA who has to prosecute these cases thinks of Mr. Holloway trying this case in the public like this. I'm sure the defense won't try to use that.


More than likely it will be used against the defense, because it shows that the defendants don't regret their actions.
 
2013-09-27 11:02:07 AM  
Police said a ringleader of the party was 19-year-old Seth Hawk, the young man Holloway said he had taken into his family a few years ago.

What the fark, you idiot kid?
 
2013-09-27 11:02:15 AM  
Precious little snowflakes and the assholes who spawned them strike again
 
2013-09-27 11:02:33 AM  

Whatchoo Talkinbout: My parents would have kicked our asses and sent us to clean up, and do whatever was needed to make this right.

The 'NewlyTransformed America', how does it work?


Nobody gets spanked, everybody gets a trophy, everybody or nobody gets to be the valedictorian and everybody who tries out makes the cheerleading squad.  All the kids are on some type of prescribed pharmaceutical and in therapy and nobody is accountable for their own actions.
 
2013-09-27 11:02:35 AM  
The kids are surprising. The parents are the ones. They should have showed up with their kids in tow and helped clean up.

Enjoy the felony convictions. Your son is going to be a juvenile hall biatch. He'll have to give bjs just to get his pants back.

/A woman in Arizona thought a stay in juvenile would teach her son a lesson. He ended up being a suck boy for gang bangers. He had to suck them off or they would keep his clothing. She sure taught him a lesson. Maybe she'll take care of his case of AIDS for him.
 
2013-09-27 11:02:45 AM  

scubamage: Likely what is happening is he is asking the DA/DA's assistant to press charges against those involved - he can't pick and choose because in a lot of areas that'd be malicious prosecution. What he can do is use the fact that those kids came forward as a mitigating circumstance when the now-defendant is working with the DA.


Likely the four will be somewhat instrumental in providing more information for the DA to prosecute certain people and that does not prevent the ex-NFL star from filing civil suits and recovering the damages from others, nor does it excuse his participation and promotion of products that lead to the painful death of kids simply by their production alone.

He should be shamed as all NFL fans, players, owners, cities that decide to forego bridge maintenance for football GAME...the list is long
 
2013-09-27 11:02:50 AM  
fta He said hearing about Hawk's involvement "was a shocker."

img.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-27 11:02:51 AM  

Slappy McLongstockings: He should feel shame for supporting an organization like the NFL.

Think of all the useless stupid crap made for each NFL player and the diseases it gives the most vulnerable.  He should feel shame for the countless deaths his organization has contributed to as well as each NFL fan that continues to support people that give others diseases which lead to a painful death.


OK, I'll bite.

What the Fark are you talking about?

/don't know
//seriously, I have no idea
 
2013-09-27 11:03:10 AM  

pueblonative: Wonder what the DA who has to prosecute these cases thinks of Mr. Holloway trying this case in the public like this. I'm sure the defense won't try to use that.


Defense: Your honor, I must protest these charges by the State. That man, not the State, made my client feel shame and angst and worry that he might..um...face charges...and stuff.
 
2013-09-27 11:03:11 AM  

Tyrosine: Headso: I read some of the tweets from the website the guy put up, the funny thing is it sounded like some of the kids didn't even know the party was being held in a house that was broken into to. Saying stuff like "thanks to the hosts, this was a great party"

Did you see the pictures of the house? Graffiti everywhere, lots of damage, and the $20k estimate does not include contents. Anyone there had to have known something was not right.


If the damage was done at the beginning of the party and all who attended saw it sure, if it happened toward the end after some people had come and gone it's reasonable to believe some people just thought it was your typical house party.
 
2013-09-27 11:03:50 AM  
Thebiggestgrumpycatgoodintheuniverse.jpg
 
2013-09-27 11:04:01 AM  
The kids AREN'T surprising. The parents are the ones that are suprising....

Sorry. Drugs haven't kicked in yet.
 
2013-09-27 11:04:35 AM  

NASAM: stir22: NASAM: And the worst part is, some of the parents are threatening to sue if he outs them.

sue him for what?

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/ex-nfl-star-face-lawsuits -p arents-house-crashing-teens-article-1.1462008


wow.   thanks for the link.

catmandu: stir22: NASAM: And the worst part is, some of the parents are threatening to sue if he outs them.

sue him for what?

Slandering the good name of their little snowflakes and making it harder to get into a good college


i see that.  my folks would have kicked my ass.
 
2013-09-27 11:04:48 AM  

freak7: Lost Thought 00: freak7: Chances are, most of the parents don't even know their kids were at the party.

They are minors (I assume) under their care and supervision. Lack of knowledge is not an excuse, because it is their job and responsibility to account for the whereabouts of their children at all times.

I'm not making excuses, just stating a fact. Also, if you think you can keep track of a teens whereabouts at all times, well that tells me you don't have kids.

My point was that if more parents were aware that there kids were there, more would have shown up.

If it turns out that the kids of the parent or parents who were batching about their snowflakes picture being posted online didn't show up to clean, I'm all for taking them out back and shooting them.


This story is getting heavy coverage and it took place in a fairly tight community. Parents would have to be willfully ignorant to not be aware of what happened and check to see if their kids were involved.
 
2013-09-27 11:04:52 AM  
I'm thinking that some of the kids haven't told their parents that they were there.....and are going to be in deeper shiat when the cops so up to their door.
 
2013-09-27 11:04:58 AM  

Valiente: MadMattressMack: He took a higher road than I would've. I would've started with arresting people then created the website shaming them while having a PI collect information so I can sue all their parents. Give none quarter.

Odd. That's my policy with the homeless.


It's also my policy with dating.
 
2013-09-27 11:05:32 AM  

HailRobonia: The ringleader was a homeless kid he took in for a time. Moral of the story: No good deed goes unpunished.


Not if I can help it, anyway.
 
2013-09-27 11:06:44 AM  

MadMattressMack: Valiente: MadMattressMack: He took a higher road than I would've. I would've started with arresting people then created the website shaming them while having a PI collect information so I can sue all their parents. Give none quarter.

Odd. That's my policy with the homeless.

It's also my policy with dating.


Not me.  I always bring along quarters for the vibrating bed.
 
2013-09-27 11:06:59 AM  
The 4 kids who showed up and admitted being part of this should face much less punishment than those who are hiding from it.  I would work their little asses off in cleaning up and repairing the damage and then tack on some more community service.  For the rest of the little assholes?  Charge 'em!

Perhaps one of our fine Fark GED Attorneys can clarify a matter of law here.  Aren't the parents of minors responsible/liable for the kid's actions in the eyes of the law?  If a 15 year old breaks a window, the parents are on the hook to a point, right?

/flunked out of the Fark Legal Academy
 
2013-09-27 11:07:55 AM  

ferretman: I'm thinking that some of the kids haven't told their parents that they were there.....and are going to be in deeper shiat when the cops so up to their door.


DING DING DING!
 
2013-09-27 11:08:06 AM  
Good for the old footbol dude.

Slap these brats with the law.
 
2013-09-27 11:08:11 AM  

Pocket Ninja: He needs to expand his website to start publicly shaming the worthless enablers those kids have as parents as well.


What did the parents do again?
 
2013-09-27 11:10:48 AM  

trappedspirit: Pocket Ninja: He needs to expand his website to start publicly shaming the worthless enablers those kids have as parents as well.

What did the parents do again?


Enabled.
 
2013-09-27 11:11:18 AM  

trappedspirit: Pocket Ninja: He needs to expand his website to start publicly shaming the worthless enablers those kids have as parents as well.

What did the parents do again?


Perhaps you missed the part where some of the parents threatened a lawsuit against the homeowner for shaming their poor precious little snowflakes.
 
2013-09-27 11:11:19 AM  

radiovox: The 4 kids who showed up and admitted being part of this should face much less punishment than those who are hiding from it.  I would work their little asses off in cleaning up and repairing the damage and then tack on some more community service.  For the rest of the little assholes?  Charge 'em!

Perhaps one of our fine Fark GED Attorneys can clarify a matter of law here.  Aren't the parents of minors responsible/liable for the kid's actions in the eyes of the law?  If a 15 year old breaks a window, the parents are on the hook to a point, right?

/flunked out of the Fark Legal Academy


In a civil case, yes the parents are responsible. However, this is criminal charges, and not a civil case.
Now if he launches civil suits against all of the parents, the threats of suing him, combined with the kid's refusal to help clean up would make it a pretty clean case to recover all of the damages + legal fees.
 
2013-09-27 11:11:40 AM  

ferretman: I'm thinking that some of the kids haven't told their parents that they were there.....and are going to be in deeper shiat when the cops so up to their door.


Wouldn't the parents at least be curious? If I'd seen a party like that at or near my hometown and read that the perps posted the damn pictures of themselves.... I'd be checking it.
 
2013-09-27 11:12:06 AM  

trappedspirit: Pocket Ninja: He needs to expand his website to start publicly shaming the worthless enablers those kids have as parents as well.

What did the parents do again?


Enabled their children. Parents can be held liable and he can sue them for damages if he can prove their snow flake was the one that did the damage. So the ones who took picks of them breaking stuff or spray painted their name are really in trouble.
 
2013-09-27 11:12:39 AM  
this thread: charge every kid with a felony! lock up all the parents and throw away the key!
next prison population thread: wtf! prison industrial complex trying to lock everyone up! this country is farked up with that shiat! we're no better than china, maaaaaan.
 
2013-09-27 11:13:07 AM  

I_C_Weener: MadMattressMack: Valiente: MadMattressMack: He took a higher road than I would've. I would've started with arresting people then created the website shaming them while having a PI collect information so I can sue all their parents. Give none quarter.

Odd. That's my policy with the homeless.

It's also my policy with dating.

Not me.  I always bring along quarters for the vibrating bed.


I make them pay for it. i bring the bed bug spray, though.
 
2013-09-27 11:13:41 AM  

Snarfangel: Thebiggestgrumpycatgoodintheuniverse.jpg


[aneverbiggergrumpycatgood.jpg]
 
2013-09-27 11:14:09 AM  
Screw those punk kids but on the other hand ....  Brian Holloway seems to have taken too many blows to the head.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSvadf9e_AI
 
2013-09-27 11:14:38 AM  
I just love that the little dumbasses posted all of the evidence to the internet.  10 years ago, 99% of those meddling kids would have gotten away with it because they could just claim they showed up, realized things were bad and just left.  Now we've got twitter pages full of evidence.
 
2013-09-27 11:16:19 AM  

Headso: this thread: charge every kid with a felony! lock up all the parents and throw away the key!
next prison population thread: wtf! prison industrial complex trying to lock everyone up! this country is farked up with that shiat! we're no better than china, maaaaaan.


I highly doubt most of these kids will see a jail. The ones who have done things before might because fark offenders who are dumb enough to be caught multiple times, but most will be put in ARD/Probation/whatever their state's equivalent is.
 
2013-09-27 11:16:57 AM  

Headso: this thread: charge every kid with a felony! lock up all the parents and throw away the key!
next prison population thread: wtf! prison industrial complex trying to lock everyone up! this country is farked up with that shiat! we're no better than china, maaaaaan.


There's a difference between non-violent drug offenders that need help that prison won't solve and these people. There's also a lot more of them in the penal system.

\penal
 
2013-09-27 11:17:00 AM  
FTFA: Instead, he said, some parents were angry about his website and there was even a threatened lawsuit.

Oh, yeah. The guy gives the kids a chance to come forward and take personal responsibility for their actions and he's the bad guy. Christ, some people need repeated kicks in the nether regions.
 
2013-09-27 11:18:00 AM  

Headso: this thread: charge every kid with a felony! lock up all the parents and throw away the key!
next prison population thread: wtf! prison industrial complex trying to lock everyone up! this country is farked up with that shiat! we're no better than china, maaaaaan.


The lady doth protest too much methinks.

I see shades of a farker who got into lots of trouble as a teen, and didn't like being in trouble for it.
 
2013-09-27 11:19:58 AM  

trappedspirit: Pocket Ninja: He needs to expand his website to start publicly shaming the worthless enablers those kids have as parents as well.

What did the parents do again?


www.trilobite.org
 
2013-09-27 11:20:53 AM  
Reminds me of this
 
2013-09-27 11:21:17 AM  

SweetSaws: Reminds me of this


I remember that.
 
2013-09-27 11:22:15 AM  
Put me down for "Grumpy Cat Good"
 
2013-09-27 11:22:54 AM  

Headso: this thread: charge every kid with a felony! lock up all the parents and throw away the key!
next prison population thread: wtf! prison industrial complex trying to lock everyone up! this country is farked up with that shiat! we're no better than china, maaaaaan.


That's a lovely straw man you're building there.
 
2013-09-27 11:22:55 AM  

blatz514: Valeriyance: ShadowLAnCeR: Walker: dittybopper: SilentStrider: Pocket Ninja: He needs to expand his website to start publicly shaming the worthless enablers those kids have as parents as well.

Second.

Third.  Any objections?

No objections. The motion passes.

*Applause*

I'll get the lights.

Hey, where is everybody?


At the Holoways', big party tonite! #woot!
 
2013-09-27 11:23:02 AM  

radiovox: The 4 kids who showed up and admitted being part of this should face much less punishment than those who are hiding from it.  I would work their little asses off in cleaning up and repairing the damage and then tack on some more community service.  For the rest of the little assholes?  Charge 'em!

Perhaps one of our fine Fark GED Attorneys can clarify a matter of law here.  Aren't the parents of minors responsible/liable for the kid's actions in the eyes of the law?  If a 15 year old breaks a window, the parents are on the hook to a point, right?

/flunked out of the Fark Legal Academy


More or less yes, it's not poltically correct to say, but LEGALLY minors are "chattel" of thier parents, which is to say, their property more or less.  When you property intentionally or negligently damages another, you have the liability for it.  In exactly the same way as you would be liabile for injuries caused by a bite from your dog.


What I wonder is whether any of these asshat parent, who very much seem the type, will hire a sleazebag lawyer to Sue the homeowner claiming that leave the house abandonded like that constituted "an attractive nusiance"  and therefore HE is liable to THEM for damages thier kid suffered.

Such a theory SHOULD get laughed out of court, especially given the ages of the participants (Attractive bnuisance is more palatable when it involves very young kids who might not be expected to "know better")  but it would not shock me in the slightest to see it tried
 
2013-09-27 11:24:00 AM  
OUTSTANDING
 
2013-09-27 11:24:26 AM  

scubamage: Headso: this thread: charge every kid with a felony! lock up all the parents and throw away the key!
next prison population thread: wtf! prison industrial complex trying to lock everyone up! this country is farked up with that shiat! we're no better than china, maaaaaan.

I highly doubt most of these kids will see a jail. The ones who have done things before might because fark offenders who are dumb enough to be caught multiple times, but most will be put in ARD/Probation/whatever their state's equivalent is.


I don't think they will either and I don't think they should unless they were actually the ones stealing the statue or vandalizing the home, and maybe even not then. I'm just speaking toward the attitude of the thread and others on fark where people are caught committing petty crime, it's like a bunch of kim jong uns posting wanting to condemn three generations of the family to hard labor.
 
2013-09-27 11:25:18 AM  

Headso: If the damage was done at the beginning of the party and all who attended saw it sure, if it happened toward the end after some people had come and gone it's reasonable to believe some people just thought it was your typical house party


This didn't happen in the Marcy Projects or at some abandoned farm in Ass-Pick West Virginia. If you roll into a house party in this type of neighborhood and you see spray paint on the walls, holes kicked in the drywall, broken furniture and windows, you would have to be one of the stupidest people to ever grace this earth to not realize:

1. Something isn't right
2. Someone is going to be pissed
3. There will be consequences
 
2013-09-27 11:25:32 AM  

Guadior42: What the Fark are you talking about?


For instance..the NFL and the Pink Ribbon problem. They sell the Pink Ribbon football and the Pink Ribbon people sell their Pink Ribbon logo to companies like Yoplait who makes products with chemicals known to cause breast cancers. Same with Victoria's Secret. So many of their products contain parabens.

The chemicals used in the production of NFL paraphernalia all over the world kills people while others cheer with them and they think they have a moral high ground?

I think not.
 
2013-09-27 11:27:02 AM  
If I had done something like this, my folks would have dragged me by the hair back to this guys house, with a mop, broom etc and kicked my ass like a rented mule until it was all cleaned up to his satisfaction.
 
2013-09-27 11:29:57 AM  

Ex-Texan: This is a stand up guy, giving these kids numerous chances to come clean, and they thought if they ignored him, he'd go away. Now the kids are getting ready to defend themselves over a felony rap. No matter what happens, the defense attorneys and bail bondsmen are gonna get a windfall. If any of the parents think their kids can get away scot free on what they did, well think again. If were up to me, I'd give the kids "baseball bat" therapy, and fine the parents an additional "stupidity charge". Good luck with that "parent-tards."


One of the rare times that Fark is unanimous in their feelings towards an issue.

/Fark the kids
//Fark their parents
///I hope he sues them for what their snowflakes did to his house
 
2013-09-27 11:30:17 AM  

starsrift: Snarfangel: Thebiggestgrumpycatgoodintheuniverse.jpg

[aneverbiggergrumpycatgood.jpg]

 i.imgur.com
 
2013-09-27 11:32:31 AM  

scubamage: Walker: dittybopper: SilentStrider: Pocket Ninja: He needs to expand his website to start publicly shaming the worthless enablers those kids have as parents as well.

Second.

Third.  Any objections?

No objections. The motion passes.

All in favor, say AYE.


AYE~!
 
2013-09-27 11:32:44 AM  

MadMattressMack: SweetSaws: Reminds me of this

I remember that.


Dafaq? It removed my image. It reminds me of the movie Project X
 
2013-09-27 11:33:15 AM  

Headso: this thread: charge every kid with a felony! lock up all the parents and throw away the key!
next prison population thread: wtf! prison industrial complex trying to lock everyone up! this country is farked up with that shiat! we're no better than china, maaaaaan.


Prison? Life-long criminal record? No. But restitution and community service. It's good for kids to face the consequences of their actions, and I'm saying this as someone who as a juvenile did pull some stupid shiat, got caught, and faced up to what I did.
 
2013-09-27 11:33:37 AM  

NASAM: Pocket Ninja: He needs to expand his website to start publicly shaming the worthless enablers those kids have as parents as well.


This.

And the worst part is, some of the parents are threatening to sue if he outs them.


If he files a civil suit for these minor children, the parents names become public record on court documents.  I say file the civil suit naming every child identified to be at the party and include the responsible parent/guardians names as co-defendants and let them worry about filing motions to dismiss.  Post the full civil suit on website, and since that document is a matter of public record what are they going to do about it?
 
2013-09-27 11:33:53 AM  
My parents would have killed me, then resurrected me and sent my shambling corpse over there to clean.

There's no way people didn't know whose house that was. I wish they'd stop lying about that.

These parents were so dang stupid.
 
2013-09-27 11:34:06 AM  
It's funny that some of you are defending these kids. The house was farking trashed, graffiti all over the place, people pissing on the floor, etc. Does this sound like a normal house party? Teenagers are stupid, but they aren't so stupid to not realize something was wrong about being there. He gave them a chance to redeem themselves and clean the house. That's way more generous than most people would be in that situation.
 
2013-09-27 11:34:14 AM  

ajgeek: I'm still rather sickened about the fact that the parents of the miscreants actually planned to use a lawsuit as a browbeat technique to get him to pull the video. Snowflakes indeed.


Where is the video? Anyone got a link?
 
2013-09-27 11:35:40 AM  

EdNortonsTwin: blatz514: Valeriyance: ShadowLAnCeR: Walker: dittybopper: SilentStrider: Pocket Ninja: He needs to expand his website to start publicly shaming the worthless enablers those kids have as parents as well.

Second.

Third.  Any objections?

No objections. The motion passes.

*Applause*

I'll get the lights.

Hey, where is everybody?

At the Holoways', big party tonite! #woot!


*funnied*

the thread, you win it.
 
2013-09-27 11:35:59 AM  

Slappy McLongstockings: Guadior42: What the Fark are you talking about?

For instance..the NFL and the Pink Ribbon problem. They sell the Pink Ribbon football and the Pink Ribbon people sell their Pink Ribbon logo to companies like Yoplait who makes products with chemicals known to cause breast cancers. Same with Victoria's Secret. So many of their products contain parabens.

The chemicals used in the production of NFL paraphernalia all over the world kills people while others cheer with them and they think they have a moral high ground?

I think not.


i586.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-27 11:36:51 AM  

indarwinsshadow: We live in a weird world.

Hollywood will make a movie starring **fill in your favourite 17-29 year old actor(s)** about this, where they'll show the actors/kids trashing the house, drinking, and destroying the neighbourhood and whipping off clever lines..

And everyone will laugh. It'll be a small but successful run.


It's been done.
4.bp.blogspot.com

/and then there's this Aussie douchebag
 
2013-09-27 11:37:39 AM  
Nicholas Cage visiting the parents of these societal anal warts

img.gawkerassets.com

Slappy McLongstockings: He should feel shame for supporting an organization like the NFL.

Think of all the useless stupid crap made for each NFL player and the diseases it gives the most vulnerable.  He should feel shame for the countless deaths his organization has contributed to as well as each NFL fan that continues to support people that give others diseases which lead to a painful death.


If you are serious (can't see how diseases enter into this), and not having broken free of your restraints  and now typing furiously at the Nurses' Station on a commandeered workstation, then I can only assume you are from Mexico and are  pissed America's soccer team beat you like a rented mule. If that's incorrect then tell Senator Reid to shut the hell up and let the men get back to work.
 
2013-09-27 11:37:58 AM  

MadMattressMack: trappedspirit: Pocket Ninja: He needs to expand his website to start publicly shaming the worthless enablers those kids have as parents as well.

What did the parents do again?

Enabled their children. Parents can be held liable and he can sue them for damages if he can prove their snow flake was the one that did the damage. So the ones who took picks of them breaking stuff or spray painted their name are really in trouble.


What did they do to enable this?  That's what I am asking.
 
2013-09-27 11:38:01 AM  

Tyrosine: Headso: I read some of the tweets from the website the guy put up, the funny thing is it sounded like some of the kids didn't even know the party was being held in a house that was broken into to. Saying stuff like "thanks to the hosts, this was a great party"

Did you see the pictures of the house? Graffiti everywhere, lots of damage, and the $20k estimate does not include contents. Anyone there had to have known something was not right.


No not really. Spray cans could have come out at any time during the night.
 
2013-09-27 11:39:13 AM  

Slappy McLongstockings: Guadior42: What the Fark are you talking about?

For instance..the NFL and the Pink Ribbon problem. They sell the Pink Ribbon football and the Pink Ribbon people sell their Pink Ribbon logo to companies like Yoplait who makes products with chemicals known to cause breast cancers. Same with Victoria's Secret. So many of their products contain parabens.

The chemicals used in the production of NFL paraphernalia all over the world kills people while others cheer with them and they think they have a moral high ground?

I think not.


www.reactiongifs.com
 
2013-09-27 11:39:53 AM  

radiovox: trappedspirit: Pocket Ninja: He needs to expand his website to start publicly shaming the worthless enablers those kids have as parents as well.

What did the parents do again?

Perhaps you missed the part where some of the parents threatened a lawsuit against the homeowner for shaming their poor precious little snowflakes.


No, I read that.  That was stupid.  But that's not enabling the event.  I'm thinking I've missed some other part.  Like where parents drive their kids to the party or at least know it's going on.
 
2013-09-27 11:40:00 AM  

zomega: My parents would have killed me, then resurrected me and sent my shambling corpse over there to clean.

There's no way people didn't know whose house that was. I wish they'd stop lying about that.

These parents were so dang stupid.


I don't what's up with parents/kids. I'm only 27. Not too "old and out of touch". I did my fair share of shiat. My parents had my back, but that doesn't mean they'd pretend I did no wrong.

If I pulled some shiat like this, I would have been given a box of tools and sent to work to put it back together. Come to think of it, I think I learned to replace the glass in windows and paint walls because I was such a f*ck up. Life skills, and I learned to stop being a dumbass.
 
2013-09-27 11:40:17 AM  

trappedspirit: MadMattressMack: trappedspirit: Pocket Ninja: He needs to expand his website to start publicly shaming the worthless enablers those kids have as parents as well.

What did the parents do again?

Enabled their children. Parents can be held liable and he can sue them for damages if he can prove their snow flake was the one that did the damage. So the ones who took picks of them breaking stuff or spray painted their name are really in trouble.

What did they do to enable this?  That's what I am asking.


They had children. You are financially and legally responsible for them and their actions until they hit 18.
 
2013-09-27 11:40:42 AM  
What he should do is sell the place to Justin Bieber for $1, let those asshole parents in the neighborhood enjoy him speeding around the neighborhood in his pink Ferrari and blaring Justin Bieber songs 24/7.

paybacks, bi*ch, etc.
 
2013-09-27 11:41:08 AM  

Ed Grubermann: trappedspirit: Pocket Ninja: He needs to expand his website to start publicly shaming the worthless enablers those kids have as parents as well.

What did the parents do again?

[www.trilobite.org image 409x307]


The.  Parents.  What.  Did.  They.  Do.  To.  Enable.  This?

/this question so hard?
 
2013-09-27 11:41:58 AM  

trappedspirit: Pocket Ninja: He needs to expand his website to start publicly shaming the worthless enablers those kids have as parents as well.

What did the parents do again?


Failed.
 
2013-09-27 11:42:36 AM  

MadMattressMack: SweetSaws: Reminds me of this

I remember that.


I remember Jeep.
 
2013-09-27 11:43:07 AM  

MadMattressMack: trappedspirit: MadMattressMack: trappedspirit: Pocket Ninja: He needs to expand his website to start publicly shaming the worthless enablers those kids have as parents as well.

What did the parents do again?

Enabled their children. Parents can be held liable and he can sue them for damages if he can prove their snow flake was the one that did the damage. So the ones who took picks of them breaking stuff or spray painted their name are really in trouble.

What did they do to enable this?  That's what I am asking.

They had children. You are financially, legally, and morally responsible for them and their actions until they hit 18.


/FTFM
 
2013-09-27 11:44:24 AM  

NASAM: Pocket Ninja: He needs to expand his website to start publicly shaming the worthless enablers those kids have as parents as well.


This.

And the worst part is, some of the parents are threatening to sue if he outs them.


Which is so farking outrageous.  Those dipshiat kids outed themselves when they TOOK PICTURES OF THEMSELVES COMMITTING CRIMES AND POSTED SAID PICTURES ON THE INTERNET.

/Jesus, these kids are so farking stupid
 
2013-09-27 11:45:02 AM  

Tyrosine: Headso: If the damage was done at the beginning of the party and all who attended saw it sure, if it happened toward the end after some people had come and gone it's reasonable to believe some people just thought it was your typical house party

This didn't happen in the Marcy Projects or at some abandoned farm in Ass-Pick West Virginia. If you roll into a house party in this type of neighborhood and you see spray paint on the walls, holes kicked in the drywall, broken furniture and windows, you would have to be one of the stupidest people to ever grace this earth to not realize:

1. Something isn't right
2. Someone is going to be pissed
3. There will be consequences


yeah, that's why i specifically mentioned the possibility that the damage could have happened later in the night in the post you are responding to... I agree if you are there and all this shiat is happening you probably should gtfo but up to that point you might just think this is a party at some kid's house whose parents are out of town.
 
2013-09-27 11:45:14 AM  

Whatchoo Talkinbout: My parents would have kicked our asses and sent us to clean up, and do whatever was needed to make this right.

The 'NewlyTransformed America', how does it work?


My mom would have made sure that what ever this guy wanted done around his house, for the next few years, would be done by me. Quickly, quietly, and correctly.
 
2013-09-27 11:46:09 AM  

trappedspirit: The.  Parents.  What.  Did.  They.  Do.  To.  Enable.  This?

/this question so hard?


They refused to apologize, refused to have their kids go help him clean up his house, and they threatened to sue him for daring to press charges against the kids who broke into his house.

Every parent that didn't drag their idiot snowflake over there to apologize and help clean up is enabling.
 
2013-09-27 11:46:37 AM  

Slappy McLongstockings: Guadior42: What the Fark are you talking about?

For instance..the NFL and the Pink Ribbon problem. They sell the Pink Ribbon football and the Pink Ribbon people sell their Pink Ribbon logo to companies like Yoplait who makes products with chemicals known to cause breast cancers. Same with Victoria's Secret. So many of their products contain parabens.

The chemicals used in the production of NFL paraphernalia all over the world kills people while others cheer with them and they think they have a moral high ground?

I think not.


Got damn.
 
2013-09-27 11:46:53 AM  

Ned Stark: Tyrosine: Headso: I read some of the tweets from the website the guy put up, the funny thing is it sounded like some of the kids didn't even know the party was being held in a house that was broken into to. Saying stuff like "thanks to the hosts, this was a great party"

Did you see the pictures of the house? Graffiti everywhere, lots of damage, and the $20k estimate does not include contents. Anyone there had to have known something was not right.

No not really. Spray cans could have come out at any time during the night.


Just a word of advice: If you are either so myopic or gullible as to believe the kids at the party "totally thought everything was cool" then you might want to shut down your email accounts before you get any messages from Nigerian prices needing needing your assistance.
 
2013-09-27 11:47:04 AM  

MadMattressMack: MadMattressMack: trappedspirit: MadMattressMack: trappedspirit: Pocket Ninja: He needs to expand his website to start publicly shaming the worthless enablers those kids have as parents as well.

What did the parents do again?

Enabled their children. Parents can be held liable and he can sue them for damages if he can prove their snow flake was the one that did the damage. So the ones who took picks of them breaking stuff or spray painted their name are really in trouble.

What did they do to enable this?  That's what I am asking.

They had children. You are financially, legally, and morally responsible for them and their actions until they hit 18.

/FTFM


I thought there was something more because of all the hate sauce
 
2013-09-27 11:48:45 AM  

Headso: I agree if you are there and all this shiat is happening you probably should gtfo but up to that point you might just think this is a party at some kid's house whose parents are out of town.


How many houses in that town were owned by a former NFL player/super bowl winner?  I bet the vast majority of those kids knew exactly what they were doing.  Whether they caused the damage or saw it is irrelevant; they were trespassing.
 
2013-09-27 11:48:49 AM  

Headso: this thread: charge every kid with a felony! lock up all the parents and throw away the key!
next prison population thread: wtf! prison industrial complex trying to lock everyone up! this country is farked up with that shiat! we're no better than china, maaaaaan.


These are real crimes, not bullshiat ones like smoking dope.  Lock 'em up and let them out only after they've been hammered hard.
 
2013-09-27 11:50:19 AM  
If it was my kid, I would tell them not to come forward and apologize.

I'm sure Holloway will stand by his word and won't press charges on the kids that confess, but I wouldn't want to take that chance. And just because he doesn't press charges it doesn't mean the police won't. You know they took the kids that confessed and told them to start coughing up names or they'd be charged with underage drinking, etc.

Even if my kid was in pictures taken at the party, good luck proving the jackass kid in the picture was actually my jackass kid.

The right thing is not necessarily the smart thing.
 
2013-09-27 11:51:32 AM  

trappedspirit: I thought there was something more because of all the hate sauce


You know how he posted the pictures and identities of the kids at the party?  Pictures and information he got from those idiots own twitter and facebook accounts?

The parents of some of those kids have threatened to sue him.
 
2013-09-27 11:52:03 AM  
If it was my kid, I totally would have sued this guy.
 
2013-09-27 11:54:54 AM  

Tyrosine: Just a word of advice: If you are either so myopic or gullible as to believe the kids at the party "totally thought everything was cool" then you might want to shut down your email accounts before you get any messages from Nigerian prices needing needing your assistance.


I refuse to pay Nigerian prices!
 
2013-09-27 11:56:27 AM  

trappedspirit: MadMattressMack: MadMattressMack: trappedspirit: MadMattressMack: trappedspirit: Pocket Ninja: He needs to expand his website to start publicly shaming the worthless enablers those kids have as parents as well.

What did the parents do again?

Enabled their children. Parents can be held liable and he can sue them for damages if he can prove their snow flake was the one that did the damage. So the ones who took picks of them breaking stuff or spray painted their name are really in trouble.

What did they do to enable this?  That's what I am asking.

They had children. You are financially, legally, and morally responsible for them and their actions until they hit 18.

/FTFM

I thought there was something more because of all the hate sauce


it's part of the moral obligation. For the most part i's the parent's responsibility to keep their kids from farking up. When confronted with the fact that their kids farked up, the parents either (most) did nothing or (a few) threatened lawsuits.

As a parent, I can understand being upset that other parents considered this a reasonable course of action.
 
2013-09-27 11:56:44 AM  
When I read about this I can't help imagining with horror what my dad would have done to me if I'd been caught trashing someone's house.
 
2013-09-27 11:56:45 AM  
put me down for a 'grumpy cat good' also
 
2013-09-27 11:57:13 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: Headso: I agree if you are there and all this shiat is happening you probably should gtfo but up to that point you might just think this is a party at some kid's house whose parents are out of town.

How many houses in that town were owned by a former NFL player/super bowl winner?  I bet the vast majority of those kids knew exactly what they were doing.  Whether they caused the damage or saw it is irrelevant; they were trespassing.


that's certainly far from the nicest second home in stephentown, I don't think they would necessarily know whose house it was, most of the kids probably weren't even from the immediate area knowing the size of the population, they probably came from several of the surrounding towns and some were probably from over the border in MA.
 
2013-09-27 11:59:37 AM  

freak7: Chances are, most of the parents don't even know their kids were at the party.


because they live in such a large town, dont read the news and have no clue where their children are?
LOL


HMS_Blinkin: They refused to apologize, refused to have their kids go help him clean up his house, and they threatened to sue him for daring to press charges against the kids who broke into his house.

Every parent that didn't drag their idiot snowflake over there to apologize and help clean up is enabling.


They went the asshole route.
"If we are lucky, my kid wont be in any picture. So no worries, we will hide and pretend my snowflake didnt do anything!!!!"
 
2013-09-27 12:00:08 PM  

Tyrosine: Ned Stark: Tyrosine: Headso: I read some of the tweets from the website the guy put up, the funny thing is it sounded like some of the kids didn't even know the party was being held in a house that was broken into to. Saying stuff like "thanks to the hosts, this was a great party"

Did you see the pictures of the house? Graffiti everywhere, lots of damage, and the $20k estimate does not include contents. Anyone there had to have known something was not right.

No not really. Spray cans could have come out at any time during the night.

Just a word of advice: If you are either so myopic or gullible as to believe the kids at the party "totally thought everything was cool" then you might want to shut down your email accounts before you get any messages from Nigerian prices needing needing your assistance.


What, never went to a party where you didn't know the homeowner?

Which do you think is more likely, a conspiracy of 300 teenagers who picked out a house and planned a party and maintained perfect secrecy up until the moment the party started and then as a group went immediately full retard and posted pics everywhere -or- a grouop of 8 or so teenagers who planned a party and broke the locks plus 292 teenagers who got a text saying "my c-razy uncle says we got the house for this weekend! Tell all your friends!"
 
2013-09-27 12:00:54 PM  

Krieghund: If it was my kid, I would tell them not to come forward and apologize.


So you are ok with your shiat being a spoiled little piece of crap?
Great. Just what the world needs, another POS like you.

/why are these people allowed to reproduce?
 
2013-09-27 12:01:18 PM  

MadMattressMack: As a parent, I can understand being upset that other parents considered this a reasonable course of action.


Yeah, I'm onboard with this

ferretman: I'm thinking that some of the kids haven't told their parents that they were there.....and are going to be in deeper shiat when the cops so up to their door.


And now this comment makes sense to me now
 
2013-09-27 12:03:35 PM  

Headso: should all parents put a tracking device on their teenagers or suffer the consequences of their 16 and 17 year old's actions? Kids lie about where they are going to be, a parent could make every attempt to know their kids whereabouts be satisfied that they do and still their kid went to this party.


That's great and all, but the parents are still responsible for the consequences.  The idea is to make sure that parents do more than the bare minimum in raising their kids, and for everyone to know that the old "kids will be kids" response doesn't cut it when a law is broken.

I think a citation is in order.  Since this occurred in NY, then NY Penal Law 260.10(2) is probably what they'd use to hold the parents accountable (since that is what it was written for).

Personally, I have to applaud Holloway for showing such restraint and decorum considering the circumstances.  My younger brother threw a party at my parents' house where things got out of hand.  While my brother got the brunt of their wrath (and rightfully so), the manner in which my parents immediately dealt with the rest of the kids was neigh close to a war crime.  Their response to the parents was "either you deal with them or we do".  The other parents washed their hands and let mine have at it.

On the up side, I didn't have to do any real yard work, maintenance, etc. for my parents for about a year.

/when my younger brother screws up, he does so in near Spielburgian fashion
 
2013-09-27 12:04:00 PM  

Ned Stark: What, never went to a party where you didn't know the homeowner?

Which do you think is more likely, a conspiracy of 300 teenagers who picked out a house and planned a party and maintained perfect secrecy up until the moment the party started and then as a group went immediately full retard and posted pics everywhere -or- a grouop of 8 or so teenagers who planned a party and broke the locks plus 292 teenagers who got a text saying "my c-razy uncle says we got the house for this weekend! Tell all your friends!"


If I got to a party and the house was being trashed, or at the very least the door to get in was smashed I'd know something was up. Back in my high school mindset I don't know if I would have left, but I'd have known the party was sketchy.

That's why probably only 15 at most will get serious charges while the rest get some misdemeanor that will end in a fine and/or community service.
 
2013-09-27 12:05:13 PM  

Ned Stark: Tyrosine: Ned Stark: Tyrosine: Headso: I read some of the tweets from the website the guy put up, the funny thing is it sounded like some of the kids didn't even know the party was being held in a house that was broken into to. Saying stuff like "thanks to the hosts, this was a great party"

Did you see the pictures of the house? Graffiti everywhere, lots of damage, and the $20k estimate does not include contents. Anyone there had to have known something was not right.

No not really. Spray cans could have come out at any time during the night.

Just a word of advice: If you are either so myopic or gullible as to believe the kids at the party "totally thought everything was cool" then you might want to shut down your email accounts before you get any messages from Nigerian prices needing needing your assistance.

What, never went to a party where you didn't know the homeowner?

Which do you think is more likely, a conspiracy of 300 teenagers who picked out a house and planned a party and maintained perfect secrecy up until the moment the party started and then as a group went immediately full retard and posted pics everywhere -or- a grouop of 8 or so teenagers who planned a party and broke the locks plus 292 teenagers who got a text saying "my c-razy uncle says we got the house for this weekend! Tell all your friends!"


I am going to go with:
300 teens breaking the law
pretty certain that everyone knew that it was illegal to be at a party where underage drinking was happening. that it was illegal for them to drink. that few, if ANY home owners want 300 kids in their house when they are not home. that vandalism is illegal. the destruction of property is illegal.
that if they had asked their parents/told their parents about the party, that the parent probably would have had a problem with them going to this party without any adults present.

so yah
the kiddies should get what's coming to them
which will mostly be juvie shiat ....
except for the older kids ...
HAHAH HAHAHAHAH fark THEM for being the little shiats that they are
 
2013-09-27 12:05:18 PM  

Krieghund: The right thing is not necessarily the smart easy thing.


FTFY.

You can successfully behave in a self-protective manner and still be a worthless douchebag who denigrates society with your very existence. I don't think that qualifies as "smart."
 
2013-09-27 12:08:59 PM  

trappedspirit: MadMattressMack: As a parent, I can understand being upset that other parents considered this a reasonable course of action.

Yeah, I'm onboard with this


Then again, as I think about this I wonder if some of them consulted a lawyer and were told not to come forward. Doing so would be the same as a "guilty" plea in any civil and criminal proceedings that followed.

It's a crappy solution, but the one that protects the family interests the most.
 
2013-09-27 12:14:25 PM  
Work filters blocked the story web site so I found this one:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/27/brian-holloway-home-trashed -a rrests_n_4000161.html

FTA:
Holloway, who played offensive tackle for the Patriots and Raiders in the 1980s, gained national attention by reposting party pictures the teens had put on social media websites. He said he posted them on the website helpmesave300.com in an effort to get the teens to come forward, take responsibility for their actions and change their behavior.
Instead, he said, some parents were angry about his website and there was even a threatened lawsuit.


That should be fun since those parents would have to admit that their brats were at that party.
 
2013-09-27 12:15:58 PM  

Lumbar Puncture: NASAM: Pocket Ninja: He needs to expand his website to start publicly shaming the worthless enablers those kids have as parents as well.


This.

And the worst part is, some of the parents are threatening to sue if he outs them.

The turd nugget doesn't fall far from the turd source.


images4.wikia.nocookie.net

"The shiat apple doesn't fall far from the shiat tree."
 
2013-09-27 12:18:02 PM  

Krieghund: If it was my kid, I would tell them not to come forward and apologize.

I'm sure Holloway will stand by his word and won't press charges on the kids that confess, but I wouldn't want to take that chance. And just because he doesn't press charges it doesn't mean the police won't. You know they took the kids that confessed and told them to start coughing up names or they'd be charged with underage drinking, etc.

Even if my kid was in pictures taken at the party, good luck proving the jackass kid in the picture was actually my jackass kid.

The right thing is not necessarily the smart thing.


Hopefully you don't currently have any kids and never will as you are obviously not fit to perform that function.  I expect that this is a product of your upbringing and that your parents more then likely still tell you daily just how special you are.  You obviously have been shielded your entire life from disappointment, hardship, loss and culpability.  Unfortunately, kids tend to outlive their parents so at some time your safety net will be gone and you're going to have to deal with the trappings of human existence on your own.  Good luck with that.

There may still be hope for you; however, and should you decide to become part of the human race at some point please feel free to apply.  Otherwise, you can continue to live in the alternate dimension you call reality and hopefully that will work out for you.
 
2013-09-27 12:18:12 PM  

Slappy McLongstockings: Guadior42: What the Fark are you talking about?

For instance..the NFL and the Pink Ribbon problem. They sell the Pink Ribbon football and the Pink Ribbon people sell their Pink Ribbon logo to companies like Yoplait who makes products with chemicals known to cause breast cancers. Same with Victoria's Secret. So many of their products contain parabens.

The chemicals used in the production of NFL paraphernalia all over the world kills people while others cheer with them and they think they have a moral high ground?

I think not.


Holy shiat dude.  How much have you been drinking already?

Trolling is fun and all...but, wow.

/wish I were drinking
 
2013-09-27 12:18:37 PM  

Headso: I read some of the tweets from the website the guy put up, the funny thing is it sounded like some of the kids didn't even know the party was being held in a house that was broken into to. Saying stuff like "thanks to the hosts, this was a great party"


And you thank the host by trashing his house, so whether or not the home was broken into doesn't excuse your own actions in destroying the place.
 
2013-09-27 12:22:56 PM  
I get his frustration, but this is just too close to vigilanteism. They're just kids, and posting their pics online is only going to lead to harassment and mistaken identities. Combine that with the attractive nuisance and unsupervised (read: unsafe) condition of his house I'd say things are pretty damned even.

Human safety is worth more than your McMansion, I'm afraid.
 
2013-09-27 12:24:08 PM  

Latinwolf: Headso: I read some of the tweets from the website the guy put up, the funny thing is it sounded like some of the kids didn't even know the party was being held in a house that was broken into to. Saying stuff like "thanks to the hosts, this was a great party"

And you thank the host by trashing his house, so whether or not the home was broken into doesn't excuse your own actions in destroying the place.


And you know who the vandals are, how?
 
2013-09-27 12:24:39 PM  

Slappy McLongstockings: Guadior42: What the Fark are you talking about?

For instance..the NFL and the Pink Ribbon problem. They sell the Pink Ribbon football and the Pink Ribbon people sell their Pink Ribbon logo to companies like Yoplait who makes products with chemicals known to cause breast cancers. Same with Victoria's Secret. So many of their products contain parabens.

The chemicals used in the production of NFL paraphernalia all over the world kills people while others cheer with them and they think they have a moral high ground?

I think not.


/I would accept peer-reviewed papers in well-respected, English language journals.
//wikipedia, huff-po, salon, or infowars do not count
 
2013-09-27 12:24:58 PM  

Clemkadidlefark: (can't see how diseases enter into this)


...That's your problem...and the problem of millions of others...they can't even imagine their NFL gear somehow causes the death of children from its very production...and it ain't only in Chiner.

"17-year-old senior cornerback Joey Villafrank: "It feels like there's more to life. Before, football used to be life for me; it was the only sport I played. But now I realize that there's more than just playing the game."

Maybe get a clue like Joey....maybe Joey will realize that his choices affect others...maybe he did already.
 
2013-09-27 12:26:52 PM  

Slappy McLongstockings: tommyl66: Slappy McLongstockings: He should feel shame for supporting an organization like the NFL.

Think of all the useless stupid crap made for each NFL player and the diseases it gives the most vulnerable.  He should feel shame for the countless deaths his organization has contributed to as well as each NFL fan that continues to support people that give others diseases which lead to a painful death.

Shut up, Dorn.

Thanks tommy for showing how seriously ill-informed you are..perhaps you need to feel good about yourself as an NFL fan that can't face up to the fact that they are poisoning people for stupid foam fingers.

I wish you well in your voyage of denial so you can at least live with yourself day to day.

Any day some NFL player wishes to discuss their role in being instrumental in promoting products that kill kids....come step up to the line with a real warrior.


The NFL gives me a reason to drink beer in the morning on Sunday and helps me vent my rage by watching grown men run full speed at each other. I won't let any pansies like you take it away from me. So stfu and go away.
 
2013-09-27 12:27:28 PM  

Slappy McLongstockings: Clemkadidlefark: (can't see how diseases enter into this)

...That's your problem...and the problem of millions of others...they can't even imagine their NFL gear somehow causes the death of children from its very production...and it ain't only in Chiner.

"17-year-old senior cornerback Joey Villafrank: "It feels like there's more to life. Before, football used to be life for me; it was the only sport I played. But now I realize that there's more than just playing the game."

Maybe get a clue like Joey....maybe Joey will realize that his choices affect others...maybe he did already.


It sounds like the coach called you a bad name when he cut you from the team freshman year.

/not a jock
 
2013-09-27 12:27:32 PM  
Looks like there were 4 conservative families in the group
 
2013-09-27 12:29:52 PM  
Bye blatz...people that think fighting against a company and a way of life that kills kids for the stupidest reasons simply do not need to be part of my fark.  If you can't deal with the facts presented...or think they are wrong, then offer something.  Do it for the others for I shall not read yours again.

Sorry to upset you but there are more important things than your feelings to me.

Guadior42: /I would accept peer-reviewed papers in well-respected, English language journals.


You can find the information about the Pink Ribbon problem easily. They publish it on their site under cause oriented marketing and talk about Yoplait and a cosmetics company too. Their cause apparently is making money..not preventing cancers or they wouldn't allow those companies to use the logo.
 
2013-09-27 12:32:51 PM  

Guadior42: It sounds like the coach called you a bad name when he cut you from the team freshman year.


Sorry I didn't bend over like someone from Penn St. trying to get off B-Team.
 
2013-09-27 12:34:12 PM  

Guadior42: Slappy McLongstockings: He should feel shame for supporting an organization like the NFL.

Think of all the useless stupid crap made for each NFL player and the diseases it gives the most vulnerable.  He should feel shame for the countless deaths his organization has contributed to as well as each NFL fan that continues to support people that give others diseases which lead to a painful death.

OK, I'll bite.

What the Fark are you talking about?

/don't know
//seriously, I have no idea


Sounds to me like he has a serious beef with the NFL and because Holloway was a former player, he should have no rights because of his association even if he had no part in how the organization was run.
 
2013-09-27 12:34:20 PM  
I'm surprised I'm first on this one:
i1.ytimg.com
 
2013-09-27 12:35:13 PM  

Slappy McLongstockings: Bye blatz...people that think fighting against a company and a way of life that kills kids for the stupidest reasons simply do not need to be part of my fark.  If you can't deal with the facts presented...or think they are wrong, then offer something.  Do it for the others for I shall not read yours again.

Sorry to upset you but there are more important things than your feelings to me.

Guadior42: /I would accept peer-reviewed papers in well-respected, English language journals.

You can find the information about the Pink Ribbon problem easily. They publish it on their site under cause oriented marketing and talk about Yoplait and a cosmetics company too. Their cause apparently is making money..not preventing cancers or they wouldn't allow those companies to use the logo.


ci·ta·tion
 [ sī táysh'n ]

1. official acknowledgment of merit: an official document or speech that praises somebody's actions, accomplishments, or character
2. extract from work: a quotation from an authoritative source that is used to support an idea or argument
3. act of citing something: the act or process of citing something

/I know. It's hard to keep things straight when grinding axes
 
2013-09-27 12:35:34 PM  

freak7: Always cracks me up when a bunch of 20 something farkers with no kids talk about parenting as if they actually know something about it.


Me too.  Because parents know how to do it.
 
2013-09-27 12:36:04 PM  

Latinwolf: Guadior42: Slappy McLongstockings: He should feel shame for supporting an organization like the NFL.

Think of all the useless stupid crap made for each NFL player and the diseases it gives the most vulnerable.  He should feel shame for the countless deaths his organization has contributed to as well as each NFL fan that continues to support people that give others diseases which lead to a painful death.

OK, I'll bite.

What the Fark are you talking about?

/don't know
//seriously, I have no idea

Sounds to me like he has a serious beef with the NFL and because Holloway was a former player, he should have no rights because of his association even if he had no part in how the organization was run.


If he's trolling, he's a very committed troll. 200+  comments and still fighting.

Or a complete moron. Possibly both.
 
2013-09-27 12:37:11 PM  

super_grass: I get his frustration, but this is just too close to vigilanteism. They're just kids, and posting their pics online is only going to lead to harassment and mistaken identities. Combine that with the attractive nuisance and unsupervised (read: unsafe) condition of his house I'd say things are pretty damned even.

Human safety is worth more than your McMansion, I'm afraid.


Saying they are "just kids" is a total cop out. That doesn't excuse your behavior. Further, he is exposing the kids and doing the right thing allowing them to come forward, or have their parents make them come forward. Your actions have consequences even as a "kid". You don't get to run around doing whatever you want without any punishment and recourse. He deserves restitution, which would come from the families of the "kids".
 
2013-09-27 12:37:56 PM  

super_grass: I get his frustration, but this is just too close to vigilanteism. They're just kids, and posting their pics online is only going to lead to harassment and mistaken identities. Combine that with the attractive nuisance and unsupervised (read: unsafe) condition of his house I'd say things are pretty damned even.

Human safety is worth more than your McMansion, I'm afraid.



So every one who has a summer house, or even leaves their house unattended can not hold anyone liable for breaking in and trashing it because no one was home at the time?

So if 300 kids pop by your house when you are out of town, destroy it, you are going to let bygones be bygones?

Plus these kids posted their own pics online, that is where he got them from.  They are the ones that put it out there.

How are these kids endangered by their pics online?  That the cops will arrest them for a crime they committed, that they themselves posted?

Guy gave them a chance to own it, even threw a big lunch and provided all the stuff necessary to clean up the joint, and only four people showed.
 
2013-09-27 12:38:53 PM  
farkinglizardking:

If he's trolling, he's a very committed troll. 200+  comments and still fighting.

Or a complete moron. Possibly both.


I've colored him Pink, labelled "dumbass".

/<snicker>
 
2013-09-27 12:40:10 PM  

Latinwolf: Sounds to me like he has a serious beef with the NFL and because Holloway was a former player, he should have no rights because of his association even if he had no part in how the organization was run.


I do think the people that wrecked his house should face justice...and I think he should not pretend to have some moral authority and shame people given his conduct.  One does not exclude the other.
 
2013-09-27 12:40:41 PM  

the money is in the banana stand: super_grass: I get his frustration, but this is just too close to vigilanteism. They're just kids, and posting their pics online is only going to lead to harassment and mistaken identities. Combine that with the attractive nuisance and unsupervised (read: unsafe) condition of his house I'd say things are pretty damned even.

Human safety is worth more than your McMansion, I'm afraid.

Saying they are "just kids" is a total cop out. That doesn't excuse your behavior. Further, he is exposing the kids and doing the right thing allowing them to come forward, or have their parents make them come forward. Your actions have consequences even as a "kid". You don't get to run around doing whatever you want without any punishment and recourse. He deserves restitution, which would come from the families of the "kids".


Agreed. I lied to my parents when I was 16-17 and went to parties, but there was hell to pay the day they found out. If I was one of these little shiatheads (We partied at a friend's house, never broke into unoccupied homes) my parents would have gladly let me be charged and shamed me online.
 
2013-09-27 12:42:04 PM  

Krieghund: If it was my kid, I would tell them not to come forward and apologize.

I'm sure Holloway will stand by his word and won't press charges on the kids that confess, but I wouldn't want to take that chance. And just because he doesn't press charges it doesn't mean the police won't. You know they took the kids that confessed and told them to start coughing up names or they'd be charged with underage drinking, etc.

Even if my kid was in pictures taken at the party, good luck proving the jackass kid in the picture was actually my jackass kid.

Even if the jackass kid was the one that Boobiesed it on the social website?

 
2013-09-27 12:42:10 PM  
 
2013-09-27 12:42:18 PM  

Krieghund: If it was my kid, I would tell them not to come forward and apologize.

I'm sure Holloway will stand by his word and won't press charges on the kids that confess, but I wouldn't want to take that chance. And just because he doesn't press charges it doesn't mean the police won't. You know they took the kids that confessed and told them to start coughing up names or they'd be charged with underage drinking, etc.

Even if my kid was in pictures taken at the party, good luck proving the jackass kid in the picture was actually my jackass kid.

The right thing is not necessarily the smart thing.


If you were my neighbor and I was a crime being committed against you or your property, I wouldn't call the police.

I would for my other neighbors.
 
2013-09-27 12:45:06 PM  

super_grass: I get his frustration, but this is just too close to vigilanteism. They're just kids, and posting their pics online is only going to lead to harassment and mistaken identities. Combine that with the attractive nuisance and unsupervised (read: unsafe) condition of his house I'd say things are pretty damned even.

Human safety is worth more than your McMansion, I'm afraid.


You cannot be serious.  If you are, I hope you never breed or have any role in child rearing of any kind.

I'm thinking excellent troll post.  If so, 9.95/10 well done.
 
2013-09-27 12:45:29 PM  

Slappy McLongstockings: http://www.pinkribbon.org/ThinkPink/CaseStudiesofCauseMarketing.aspx

and for once..try and think for yourself....


I see you don't have a teamthink mentality. That's probably why you got cut from the pee wee league.
 
2013-09-27 12:50:21 PM  

farkinglizardking: the money is in the banana stand: super_grass: I get his frustration, but this is just too close to vigilanteism. They're just kids, and posting their pics online is only going to lead to harassment and mistaken identities. Combine that with the attractive nuisance and unsupervised (read: unsafe) condition of his house I'd say things are pretty damned even.

Human safety is worth more than your McMansion, I'm afraid.

Saying they are "just kids" is a total cop out. That doesn't excuse your behavior. Further, he is exposing the kids and doing the right thing allowing them to come forward, or have their parents make them come forward. Your actions have consequences even as a "kid". You don't get to run around doing whatever you want without any punishment and recourse. He deserves restitution, which would come from the families of the "kids".

Agreed. I lied to my parents when I was 16-17 and went to parties, but there was hell to pay the day they found out. If I was one of these little shiatheads (We partied at a friend's house, never broke into unoccupied homes) my parents would have gladly let me be charged and shamed me online.


Agreed.  My parents were all about taking responsibility for your actions.  They warned me that misdeeds would be met with consequences.  If I then went forward and misbehaved . . . well, I had been warned.  Had I been one of these little miscreants, they would have made me wish I was in jail.  It would have been protective custody.  And all of their punishment would be accomplished without laying hand on me.  My Dad never beat me or spanked me for misbehavior but I often wished he would.
 
2013-09-27 12:54:33 PM  

Krieghund: If it was my kid, I would tell them not to come forward and apologize.

I'm sure Holloway will stand by his word and won't press charges on the kids that confess, but I wouldn't want to take that chance. And just because he doesn't press charges it doesn't mean the police won't. You know they took the kids that confessed and told them to start coughing up names or they'd be charged with underage drinking, etc.

Even if my kid was in pictures taken at the party, good luck proving the jackass kid in the picture was actually my jackass kid.

The right thing is not necessarily the smart thing.


Which attitude would make you and excellent Defense attorney and a lousy parent.  An attorney's ethical obligation ot their client is to do everything they can to protec them from civil or criminal libaility.  A parent's ethical duty to thier kids is to teach them that actions have consequences and to take responsibility for the wrong they do in the world

/once involved in the representation of  a man about to go on trial for rape.  Minutes before the trial his mother visited with him.  The day before she had uncovered some fact or evidence that convinced her of his guilt beyond any doubt.  She  told him that he had two choices
1), plead guilty and apologize and she'd do everything she could for him to help him do his time and get out as soon as possible
2) take his chances at trial, in which case, no matter what happened, he was dead to her, and she would never speak to him again, especially not if he got locked up

//He Plead.
 
2013-09-27 12:58:12 PM  
Why is no one thinking of the children?

Oh, right. It's because they are all asshole snowflakes of asshole parents.

/carry on
 
2013-09-27 01:02:42 PM  
Some of these "kids" were not minors. They're looking at jail time or at the minimum a nice criminal record. At the least, everyone else should have a criminal charge on their record, and some form of probation. They should be required to answe "Yes" to the employment/college application question "Were you ever arrested/convicted of a crime?"

Yes, the cries of "But now my child can't go to the college of their choice and will have to *shudder* go to community college!" will ring out from 300+ parents, I am sure.

Cue the much-used Grumpy Cat image.

You decided to drink adult drinks. You should be prepared to pay adult penalties.

/I hope the press continues to have a field day reporting this one...
 
2013-09-27 01:03:24 PM  

theflatline: super_grass: I get his frustration, but this is just too close to vigilanteism. They're just kids, and posting their pics online is only going to lead to harassment and mistaken identities. Combine that with the attractive nuisance and unsupervised (read: unsafe) condition of his house I'd say things are pretty damned even.

Human safety is worth more than your McMansion, I'm afraid.


So every one who has a summer house, or even leaves their house unattended can not hold anyone liable for breaking in and trashing it because no one was home at the time?

So if 300 kids pop by your house when you are out of town, destroy it, you are going to let bygones be bygones?

Plus these kids posted their own pics online, that is where he got them from.  They are the ones that put it out there.

How are these kids endangered by their pics online?  That the cops will arrest them for a crime they committed, that they themselves posted?

Guy gave them a chance to own it, even threw a big lunch and provided all the stuff necessary to clean up the joint, and only four people showed.


IF you're some 1%-er with a house that you don't live in all year, don't be surprised when people take advantage of the situation. Get some insurance and move on.
 
2013-09-27 01:05:33 PM  
What kind of beer did they have?
 
2013-09-27 01:07:05 PM  

Slappy McLongstockings: Bye blatz...


Whew.

/wipes forehead
 
2013-09-27 01:07:44 PM  

Pocket Ninja: He needs to expand his website to start publicly shaming the worthless enablers those kids have as parents as well.


Can we just issue everyone over the age of 30 a paddle and a license to use it on any "stray" children?

/only part trolling

//This is farking stupid - kids could have come forward and "maybe" had some community service and lecture but they decide to play the "nope wasn't me" game.

///fark THEM. I hope they get hit with a bag of hammers.
 
2013-09-27 01:09:03 PM  

Slappy McLongstockings: http://www.pinkribbon.org/ThinkPink/CaseStudiesofCauseMarketing.aspx

and for once..try and think for yourself....


Where are the campaigns for testicular cancer? This pink ribbon shiat is discriminatory. I say 'Brownish-Yellow Ribbons for Testicular Cancer!'
 
2013-09-27 01:12:27 PM  
A real world test gives 2-300 sets of parents a chance to show that they are "good parents" and only four of them pass.

Yet five out of every five parents on fark claim that they are "good parents." Interesting.
 
2013-09-27 01:14:04 PM  

trappedspirit: Ed Grubermann: trappedspirit: Pocket Ninja: He needs to expand his website to start publicly shaming the worthless enablers those kids have as parents as well.

What did the parents do again?

[www.trilobite.org image 409x307]

The.  Parents.  What.  Did.  They.  Do.  To.  Enable.  This?

/this question so hard?


They. Failed. To. Teach. Their. Crotchfruit. Respect. For. Other. People's. Property. Rights.
 
2013-09-27 01:14:09 PM  

Slappy McLongstockings: http://www.pinkribbon.org/ThinkPink/CaseStudiesofCauseMarketing.aspx

and for once..try and think for yourself....


I do. That's why I'm a firm believer in tin foil. You got to keep the ELF-RF mind control signals out some how.

Seriously, the first on the list says (and you're going on about):

 products still contain parabens, a class of chemicals linked to breast cancer

However it has no citation on this link of something used by pretty much everyone on everyday. So I tried to find it. Instead I found that there has been no link found (with citations):

"Based on these comparisons using worst-case assumptions pertaining to total daily exposures to parabens and dose/potency comparisons with both human and animal no-observed-effect levels (NOELs) and lowest-observed-effect levels (LOELs) for estrogen or DES, it is biologically implausible that parabens could increase the risk of any estrogen-mediated endpoint, including effects on the male reproductive tract or breast cancer. Additional analysis based on the concept of a hygiene-based margin of safety (HBMOS), a comparative approach for assessing the estrogen activities of weakly active EACs, demonstrates that worst-case daily exposure to parabens would present substantially less risk relative to exposure to naturally occurring EACs in the diet such as the phytoestrogen daidzein."


Read More:  http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10408440490920104

http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10408440490920104
 
2013-09-27 01:14:53 PM  

usttsdw: darwin


Not upset in the slightest, but thanks for the concern.
 
2013-09-27 01:17:58 PM  

umad: A real world test gives 2-300 sets of parents a chance to show that they are "good parents" and only four of them pass.

Yet five out of every five parents on fark claim that they are "good parents." Interesting.


Moreso, every one of 'em will say that non-parents cannot possibly judge parents despite simple litmus tests such as this.
 
2013-09-27 01:18:03 PM  

MadMattressMack: Slappy McLongstockings: http://www.pinkribbon.org/ThinkPink/CaseStudiesofCauseMarketing.aspx

and for once..try and think for yourself....

I do. That's why I'm a firm believer in tin foil. You got to keep the ELF-RF mind control signals out some how.

Seriously, the first on the list says (and you're going on about):

 products still contain parabens, a class of chemicals linked to breast cancer

However it has no citation on this link of something used by pretty much everyone on everyday. So I tried to find it. Instead I found that there has been no link found (with citations):

"Based on these comparisons using worst-case assumptions pertaining to total daily exposures to parabens and dose/potency comparisons with both human and animal no-observed-effect levels (NOELs) and lowest-observed-effect levels (LOELs) for estrogen or DES, it is biologically implausible that parabens could increase the risk of any estrogen-mediated endpoint, including effects on the male reproductive tract or breast cancer. Additional analysis based on the concept of a hygiene-based margin of safety (HBMOS), a comparative approach for assessing the estrogen activities of weakly active EACs, demonstrates that worst-case daily exposure to parabens would present substantially less risk relative to exposure to naturally occurring EACs in the diet such as the phytoestrogen daidzein."


Read More:  http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10408440490920104

http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10408440490920104


Logic doesn't work on him. You're absolutely right, but his derp level is off the charts. There's no actual cognitive reasoning in that brain.
 
2013-09-27 01:21:26 PM  
i.imgflip.com
 
2013-09-27 01:22:35 PM  

Slappy McLongstockings: and for once..try and think for yourself....


Does that include going to more than a single source for information? Because that's what I did, and everyone without an ax to grind (CDC, for example) says it's not a big problem.
 
2013-09-27 01:23:14 PM  
The parent must be bad at de maffs.
 
2013-09-27 01:24:06 PM  

super_grass: IF you're some 1%-er with a house that you don't live in all year, don't be surprised when people take advantage of the situation. Get some insurance and move on.


interesting logic.  By that same logic, the 1%-er should use his or her privilege to generate publicity to publicly shame those who have committed the wrong, and seek the assistance of the authorities (who, of course, would want to help out the 1%-er over the rest of us) in rounding up the rabble and putting them on trial in order to show the populace just who is in charge.

Am I doing it right?

BTW: read the article and look at the pics.  You're (mostly) looking at privileged kids behaving badly.  The righteous indignation doesn't work as good when the people committing the crime against a 1%-er are also "of means".

/dude seems to be damn level-headed and kind to others considering what happened
//in many regards, he seems to be more concerned about what happens to the kids involved than their own parents do
 
2013-09-27 01:26:29 PM  
i1078.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-27 01:26:54 PM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: Slappy McLongstockings: and for once..try and think for yourself....

Does that include going to more than a single source for information? Because that's what I did, and everyone without an ax to grind (CDC, for example) says it's not a big problem.


farkinglizardking: Logic doesn't work on him. You're absolutely right, but his derp level is off the charts. There's no actual cognitive reasoning in that brain.


Indeed, the derp is strong with this one.
 
2013-09-27 01:27:18 PM  
what is the legal track record for using self-published crime photos in court?  It will work great for shaming, but what are the odds of any of this sticking in court?

/I have no law GED
 
2013-09-27 01:27:48 PM  

Valiente: BizarreMan: But those poor children!  What about their college prospects!

Oh right.

Fark them.

He gave them every opportunity to make it right and they ignored him.

The sooner America turns its serpent's teeth into Soylent Green, the better!


/am I doing the outrage right?


You may have escalated a little too quick, I'll check with the judges.
 
2013-09-27 01:30:12 PM  

Matthew Keene: Slappy McLongstockings: http://www.pinkribbon.org/ThinkPink/CaseStudiesofCauseMarketing.aspx

and for once..try and think for yourself....

Where are the campaigns for testicular cancer? This pink ribbon shiat is discriminatory. I say 'Brownish-Yellow Ribbons for Testicular Cancer!'


So you've never heard of livestrong?
 
2013-09-27 01:30:12 PM  
TMZ is reporting that the house is in foreclosure and was abandoned at the time of party and that Holloway is making a big deal of this to solicit donations.

http://www.tmz.com/2013/09/22/brian-holloway-patriots-party-house-fo re closure-new-york/
 
2013-09-27 01:30:57 PM  

super_grass: theflatline: super_grass: I get his frustration, but this is just too close to vigilanteism. They're just kids, and posting their pics online is only going to lead to harassment and mistaken identities. Combine that with the attractive nuisance and unsupervised (read: unsafe) condition of his house I'd say things are pretty damned even.

Human safety is worth more than your McMansion, I'm afraid.


So every one who has a summer house, or even leaves their house unattended can not hold anyone liable for breaking in and trashing it because no one was home at the time?

So if 300 kids pop by your house when you are out of town, destroy it, you are going to let bygones be bygones?

Plus these kids posted their own pics online, that is where he got them from.  They are the ones that put it out there.

How are these kids endangered by their pics online?  That the cops will arrest them for a crime they committed, that they themselves posted?

Guy gave them a chance to own it, even threw a big lunch and provided all the stuff necessary to clean up the joint, and only four people showed.

IF you're some 1%-er with a house that you don't live in all year, don't be surprised when people take advantage of the situation. Get some insurance and move on.


I really, really hope you're trolling. If you aren't, you know how I know you've never needed to use homeowners insurance before? He'll be lucky if he sees 5k out of that 20k damage.

/someone who actually has been burglarized twice.
 
2013-09-27 01:32:27 PM  

tmonsta: TMZ is reporting that the house is in foreclosure and was abandoned at the time of party and that Holloway is making a big deal of this to solicit donations.

http://www.tmz.com/2013/09/22/brian-holloway-patriots-party-house-fo re closure-new-york/


Well then let the bank sue these little bastards. Damage is damage.


Oooooh, Bank of America vs. 300 Douchebags. I wouldn't know who to cheer for.
 
2013-09-27 01:32:50 PM  

fireclown: what is the legal track record for using self-published crime photos in court?  It will work great for shaming, but what are the odds of any of this sticking in court?

/I have no law GED


Courts ruled in 2012 that self published pics on facebook and other social media sites can be used.
 
2013-09-27 01:34:00 PM  
Random Anonymous Blackmail:
you ignored your chance to make it right so now you get door number 2.

"But that's my Number Two door!"

/ Off to PMITNTD prison!
 
2013-09-27 01:34:08 PM  

super_grass: theflatline: super_grass: I get his frustration, but this is just too close to vigilanteism. They're just kids, and posting their pics online is only going to lead to harassment and mistaken identities. Combine that with the attractive nuisance and unsupervised (read: unsafe) condition of his house I'd say things are pretty damned even.

Human safety is worth more than your McMansion, I'm afraid.


So every one who has a summer house, or even leaves their house unattended can not hold anyone liable for breaking in and trashing it because no one was home at the time?

So if 300 kids pop by your house when you are out of town, destroy it, you are going to let bygones be bygones?

Plus these kids posted their own pics online, that is where he got them from.  They are the ones that put it out there.

How are these kids endangered by their pics online?  That the cops will arrest them for a crime they committed, that they themselves posted?

Guy gave them a chance to own it, even threw a big lunch and provided all the stuff necessary to clean up the joint, and only four people showed.

IF you're some 1%-er with a house that you don't live in all year, don't be surprised when people take advantage of the situation. Get some insurance and move on.


Wow, exactly what I would expect someone who actively defended Comrade Chavez in threads when that shiatbag was alive and profusely thanked him once he finally croaked to say.  He's a rich guy, he deserves to be punished for his ill-gotten wealth or at least have no right to retribution when that wealth is criminally lessened by others.  I know, you're upset probably that there's no communist-wanna-be who can come appropriate the properties and businesses of these bourgeois 1-%er bastards, but try to remember little things called property laws that these kids broke, and then bragged about.
 
2013-09-27 01:34:21 PM  

meathome: super_grass: IF you're some 1%-er with a house that you don't live in all year, don't be surprised when people take advantage of the situation. Get some insurance and move on.

interesting logic.  By that same logic, the 1%-er should use his or her privilege to generate publicity to publicly shame those who have committed the wrong, and seek the assistance of the authorities (who, of course, would want to help out the 1%-er over the rest of us) in rounding up the rabble and putting them on trial in order to show the populace just who is in charge.

Am I doing it right?

BTW: read the article and look at the pics.  You're (mostly) looking at privileged kids behaving badly.  The righteous indignation doesn't work as good when the people committing the crime against a 1%-er are also "of means".

/dude seems to be damn level-headed and kind to others considering what happened
//in many regards, he seems to be more concerned about what happens to the kids involved than their own parents do


My guess (I don't follow sports or sports stars) is he grew up "without means" and had a bunch of friends who didn't make it out, and didn't want to handicap these kids in any horrible way.
 
2013-09-27 01:38:17 PM  

Seraphym: super_grass: theflatline: super_grass: I get his frustration, but this is just too close to vigilanteism. They're just kids, and posting their pics online is only going to lead to harassment and mistaken identities. Combine that with the attractive nuisance and unsupervised (read: unsafe) condition of his house I'd say things are pretty damned even.

Human safety is worth more than your McMansion, I'm afraid.


So every one who has a summer house, or even leaves their house unattended can not hold anyone liable for breaking in and trashing it because no one was home at the time?

So if 300 kids pop by your house when you are out of town, destroy it, you are going to let bygones be bygones?

Plus these kids posted their own pics online, that is where he got them from.  They are the ones that put it out there.

How are these kids endangered by their pics online?  That the cops will arrest them for a crime they committed, that they themselves posted?

Guy gave them a chance to own it, even threw a big lunch and provided all the stuff necessary to clean up the joint, and only four people showed.

IF you're some 1%-er with a house that you don't live in all year, don't be surprised when people take advantage of the situation. Get some insurance and move on.

Wow, exactly what I would expect someone who actively defended Comrade Chavez in threads when that shiatbag was alive and profusely thanked him once he finally croaked to say.  He's a rich guy, he deserves to be punished for his ill-gotten wealth or at least have no right to retribution when that wealth is criminally lessened by others.  I know, you're upset probably that there's no communist-wanna-be who can come appropriate the properties and businesses of these bourgeois 1-%er bastards, but try to remember little things called property laws that these kids broke, and then bragged about.


All property is a form of theft. And you can't sue for damages to your stolen goods.
 
2013-09-27 01:38:51 PM  

emocomputerjock: Slappy McLongstockings: Guadior42: What the Fark are you talking about?

For instance..the NFL and the Pink Ribbon problem. They sell the Pink Ribbon football and the Pink Ribbon people sell their Pink Ribbon logo to companies like Yoplait who makes products with chemicals known to cause breast cancers. Same with Victoria's Secret. So many of their products contain parabens.

The chemicals used in the production of NFL paraphernalia all over the world kills people while others cheer with them and they think they have a moral high ground?

I think not.

Got damn.


Even after all of the gun threads and talk about crazy people lately, that might be the first legitimate crazy person I have seen around these parts. I hope they are getting help.
 
2013-09-27 01:41:49 PM  

Fubegra: groppet: I am suprised none of them came forward he gave them chances and has a crap ton of evidence. If I had done this my parents would have kicked my ass up and down the block.

Back when I was a teenager, my folks told me that if I ended up in jail, they weren't going to bail me out. Fortunately, I stayed out of jail.

WTF is it with those parents? Are they convinced that their little snowflakes would never do something like this, or are they whichactively encourages them to be asshats?


FTFY
 
2013-09-27 01:44:12 PM  

super_grass: I get his frustration, but this is just too close to vigilanteism. They're just kids, and posting their pics online is only going to lead to harassment and mistaken identities. Combine that with the attractive nuisance and unsupervised (read: unsafe) condition of his house I'd say things are pretty damned even.

Human safety is worth more than your McMansion, I'm afraid.


 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Part of the problem.
 
2013-09-27 01:47:46 PM  

tmonsta: TMZ is reporting that the house is in foreclosure and was abandoned at the time of party and that Holloway is making a big deal of this to solicit donations.

http://www.tmz.com/2013/09/22/brian-holloway-patriots-party-house-fo re closure-new-york/


Even in foreclosure it is somebody's property.  The owner could still be libel for unrecovered monies, the mortgage holder and even the tax payers if taxes are owed.   It is not open to destruction by a bunch of thug and thuggette wanna be douches.




Link

helpmesave300.com
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helpmesave300.com
 
2013-09-27 01:50:04 PM  

super_grass: theflatline: super_grass: I get his frustration, but this is just too close to vigilanteism. They're just kids, and posting their pics online is only going to lead to harassment and mistaken identities. Combine that with the attractive nuisance and unsupervised (read: unsafe) condition of his house I'd say things are pretty damned even.

Human safety is worth more than your McMansion, I'm afraid.


So every one who has a summer house, or even leaves their house unattended can not hold anyone liable for breaking in and trashing it because no one was home at the time?

So if 300 kids pop by your house when you are out of town, destroy it, you are going to let bygones be bygones?

Plus these kids posted their own pics online, that is where he got them from.  They are the ones that put it out there.

How are these kids endangered by their pics online?  That the cops will arrest them for a crime they committed, that they themselves posted?

Guy gave them a chance to own it, even threw a big lunch and provided all the stuff necessary to clean up the joint, and only four people showed.

IF you're some 1%-er with a house that you don't live in all year, don't be surprised when people take advantage of the situation. Get some insurance and move on.


The LAW was broken here. They BROKE into the man's house. They DESTROYED his property. He is in his RIGHT to protect his property and livelihood. These kids, even those ignorant of whose house it is, still BROKE THE LAW! This means there is a CONSEQUENCE to THEIR actions The idea that because someone does not use their home(s) all the time does not mean they can not charge someone for breaking and entering.

/Ignorance of the law is no excuse.
//Punishment for every kid who did not show up to help clean up.
 
2013-09-27 01:53:38 PM  

umad: emocomputerjock: Slappy McLongstockings: Guadior42: What the Fark are you talking about?

For instance..the NFL and the Pink Ribbon problem. They sell the Pink Ribbon football and the Pink Ribbon people sell their Pink Ribbon logo to companies like Yoplait who makes products with chemicals known to cause breast cancers. Same with Victoria's Secret. So many of their products contain parabens.

The chemicals used in the production of NFL paraphernalia all over the world kills people while others cheer with them and they think they have a moral high ground?

I think not.

Got damn.

Even after all of the gun threads and talk about crazy people lately, that might be the first legitimate crazy person I have seen around these parts. I hope they are getting help.


I don't know about that, super_grass is certainly trying to catch up with him in that department.
 
2013-09-27 01:55:01 PM  
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2013-09-27 01:56:01 PM  

super_grass: Seraphym: super_grass: theflatline: super_grass: I get his frustration, but this is just too close to vigilanteism. They're just kids, and posting their pics online is only going to lead to harassment and mistaken identities. Combine that with the attractive nuisance and unsupervised (read: unsafe) condition of his house I'd say things are pretty damned even.

Human safety is worth more than your McMansion, I'm afraid.


So every one who has a summer house, or even leaves their house unattended can not hold anyone liable for breaking in and trashing it because no one was home at the time?

So if 300 kids pop by your house when you are out of town, destroy it, you are going to let bygones be bygones?

Plus these kids posted their own pics online, that is where he got them from.  They are the ones that put it out there.

How are these kids endangered by their pics online?  That the cops will arrest them for a crime they committed, that they themselves posted?

Guy gave them a chance to own it, even threw a big lunch and provided all the stuff necessary to clean up the joint, and only four people showed.

IF you're some 1%-er with a house that you don't live in all year, don't be surprised when people take advantage of the situation. Get some insurance and move on.

Wow, exactly what I would expect someone who actively defended Comrade Chavez in threads when that shiatbag was alive and profusely thanked him once he finally croaked to say.  He's a rich guy, he deserves to be punished for his ill-gotten wealth or at least have no right to retribution when that wealth is criminally lessened by others.  I know, you're upset probably that there's no communist-wanna-be who can come appropriate the properties and businesses of these bourgeois 1-%er bastards, but try to remember little things called property laws that these kids broke, and then bragged about.

All property is a form of theft. And you can't sue for damages to your stolen goods.


You can't own property, man!
www.aarondunlap.com
 
2013-09-27 01:58:03 PM  
If they sue then the little shiats will have to take the stand and try to explain what they were doing in those pics and how they came to be there. Now their name is attached to a court case as a matter of public record and anyone who googles their name can read all about it.

Not to mention thw only reason the pics were out there is because the dumbasses posted them online in the first place.
 
2013-09-27 01:59:14 PM  

scubamage: super_grass: Seraphym: super_grass: theflatline: super_grass: I get his frustration, but this is just too close to vigilanteism. They're just kids, and posting their pics online is only going to lead to harassment and mistaken identities. Combine that with the attractive nuisance and unsupervised (read: unsafe) condition of his house I'd say things are pretty damned even.

Human safety is worth more than your McMansion, I'm afraid.


So every one who has a summer house, or even leaves their house unattended can not hold anyone liable for breaking in and trashing it because no one was home at the time?

So if 300 kids pop by your house when you are out of town, destroy it, you are going to let bygones be bygones?

Plus these kids posted their own pics online, that is where he got them from.  They are the ones that put it out there.

How are these kids endangered by their pics online?  That the cops will arrest them for a crime they committed, that they themselves posted?

Guy gave them a chance to own it, even threw a big lunch and provided all the stuff necessary to clean up the joint, and only four people showed.

IF you're some 1%-er with a house that you don't live in all year, don't be surprised when people take advantage of the situation. Get some insurance and move on.

Wow, exactly what I would expect someone who actively defended Comrade Chavez in threads when that shiatbag was alive and profusely thanked him once he finally croaked to say.  He's a rich guy, he deserves to be punished for his ill-gotten wealth or at least have no right to retribution when that wealth is criminally lessened by others.  I know, you're upset probably that there's no communist-wanna-be who can come appropriate the properties and businesses of these bourgeois 1-%er bastards, but try to remember little things called property laws that these kids broke, and then bragged about.

All property is a form of theft. And you can't sue for damages to your stolen goods.

You can't own property, man.


I'll go get some more bricks.
 
2013-09-27 02:11:31 PM  

super_grass: All property is a form of theft. And you can't sue for damages to your stolen goods.


What color is the sky in your world?
 
2013-09-27 02:12:13 PM  

Headso: Lost Thought 00: freak7: Chances are, most of the parents don't even know their kids were at the party.

They are minors (I assume) under their care and supervision. Lack of knowledge is not an excuse, because it is their job and responsibility to account for the whereabouts of their children at all times.

should all parents put a tracking device on their teenagers or suffer the consequences of their 16 and 17 year old's actions? Kids lie about where they are going to be, a parent could make every attempt to know their kids whereabouts be satisfied that they do and still their kid went to this party.


No.  But all parents should raise their kids with some basic concepts of decency so when their friend says, "Hey, we're gonna go to some party Seth's throwing in some house he broke into and trash the place!" their children say no.  This is not that hard a concept.
 
2013-09-27 02:13:15 PM  

Xhan: My lack of sympathy for them is compounded by the multiple instances of duckface and seeing "shiat was live" so many times in the screenshots. Seriously, who says that? Am I just getting old?


Gad I wasn't the only one that wanted to see them punished just for the excessive use of 'Live'. Ive never heard that one before and by the end of the save300 site I was sick of it.
 
2013-09-27 02:14:11 PM  
hasty ambush: tmonsta: TMZ is reporting that the house is in foreclosure and was abandoned at the time of party and that Holloway is making a big deal of this to solicit donations.

http://www.tmz.com/2013/09/22/brian-holloway-patriots-party-house-fo re closure-new-york/

Even in foreclosure it is somebody's property.  The owner could still be libel for unrecovered monies, the mortgage holder and even the tax payers if taxes are owed.   It is not open to destruction by a bunch of thug and thuggette wanna be douches.

I am not defending the kids actions, I just think it is another one of the situations where everyone involved is a colossal douche-bag. In the late nineties Brian Holloway broke into the same house and wrecked it to drive out his soon-to-be ex-wife.

http://www.nytimes.com/1997/06/01/sports/one-more-athlete-s-wife-pic ks -up-the-pieces-of-her-life.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm
 
2013-09-27 02:14:43 PM  

maxximillian: Xhan: My lack of sympathy for them is compounded by the multiple instances of duckface and seeing "shiat was live" so many times in the screenshots. Seriously, who says that? Am I just getting old?

Gad I wasn't the only one that wanted to see them punished just for the excessive use of 'Live'. Ive never heard that one before and by the end of the save300 site I was sick of it.


Forget about the damages. Those douchebag photos should be made illegal.
 
2013-09-27 02:15:07 PM  

trappedspirit: MadMattressMack: trappedspirit: Pocket Ninja: He needs to expand his website to start publicly shaming the worthless enablers those kids have as parents as well.

What did the parents do again?

Enabled their children. Parents can be held liable and he can sue them for damages if he can prove their snow flake was the one that did the damage. So the ones who took picks of them breaking stuff or spray painted their name are really in trouble.

What did they do to enable this?  That's what I am asking.


In many states, including Virginia where I live, it's called contributing to the delinquency.  It's basically, you're such a shiatty parent that you've allowed your son/daughter to commit crimes, and you'll be held liable. 
You have a responsibility to know where your minor is, what he/she is doing and if you can't do that, the state will find you liable for their actions.

Simple.  You've enabled their shiatty behavior by not being a good parent.
 
2013-09-27 02:28:24 PM  

Ned Stark: Tyrosine: Ned Stark: Tyrosine: Headso: I read some of the tweets from the website the guy put up, the funny thing is it sounded like some of the kids didn't even know the party was being held in a house that was broken into to. Saying stuff like "thanks to the hosts, this was a great party"

Did you see the pictures of the house? Graffiti everywhere, lots of damage, and the $20k estimate does not include contents. Anyone there had to have known something was not right.

No not really. Spray cans could have come out at any time during the night.

Just a word of advice: If you are either so myopic or gullible as to believe the kids at the party "totally thought everything was cool" then you might want to shut down your email accounts before you get any messages from Nigerian prices needing needing your assistance.

What, never went to a party where you didn't know the homeowner?


Of course, but not knowing the homeowner isn't the problem. No adult presence is the first clue. If you show up at a party, in a nice house, with 100+ people (all between 14 and 20) but no adults, you're damn right you should be suspicious. And I am speaking from experience on this.


Which do you think is more likely, a conspiracy of 300 teenagers who picked out a house and planned a party and maintained perfect secrecy up until the moment the party started and then as a group went immediately full retard and posted pics everywhere -or- a grouop of 8 or so teenagers who planned a party and broke the locks plus 292 teenagers who got a text saying "my c-razy uncle says we got the house for this weekend! Tell all your friends!"

You don't need to be part of the "planning committee" to be responsible for what happens. If you are involved in an activity that you know, or reasonably should know, is illegal you are responsible and I contend that given the damage that occurred and the circumstances of the party, the vast majority of people in attendance must have known that something was not right.

As posting pictures you seem to see this as an indication that the people there did not know they were doing anything wrong. I hate to point it out to you, but YouTube, Twitter, and Facebook are filled with idiots who post illegal stuff and are simply shocked when their posts are entered as evidence against them.
 
2013-09-27 02:32:25 PM  
Well at the very least this thread sorted out the people that can face up to the damages they cause support certain things...and the ones too afraid to.

Fortunately you can just remove people that don't care to even try and imagine the rivers of chemical waste they help cause with their rampant consumerism...eventually you may be left with a handful of people willing to at least tackle the issue.
 
2013-09-27 02:38:08 PM  

Matthew Keene: Slappy McLongstockings: http://www.pinkribbon.org/ThinkPink/CaseStudiesofCauseMarketing.aspx

and for once..try and think for yourself....

Where are the campaigns for testicular cancer? This pink ribbon shiat is discriminatory. I say 'Brownish-Yellow Ribbons for Testicular Cancer!'


Personally I would find the diagnosis of most of the people here simply to be justice and would appreciate the pain they will feel since they care not for the pain they cause others so they can play a game and wave around plastic pom poms.
 
2013-09-27 02:39:35 PM  

Tyrosine: Of course, but not knowing the homeowner isn't the problem. No adult presence is the first clue. If you show up at a party, in a nice house, with 100+ people (all between 14 and 20) but no adults, you're damn right you should be suspicious. And I am speaking from experience on this.


What the hell are you talking about?  This was a high school party.  They should be suspicious if there were adults present, not the other way around.  Adults and high school keggers tend not to mix. That's why they are held when parents go out of town.
 
2013-09-27 02:45:05 PM  

meathome: Headso: should all parents put a tracking device on their teenagers or suffer the consequences of their 16 and 17 year old's actions? Kids lie about where they are going to be, a parent could make every attempt to know their kids whereabouts be satisfied that they do and still their kid went to this party.

That's great and all, but the parents are still responsible for the consequences.  The idea is to make sure that parents do more than the bare minimum in raising their kids, and for everyone to know that the old "kids will be kids" response doesn't cut it when a law is broken.

I think a citation is in order.  Since this occurred in NY, then NY Penal Law 260.10(2) is probably what they'd use to hold the parents accountable (since that is what it was written for).

Personally, I have to applaud Holloway for showing such restraint and decorum considering the circumstances.  My younger brother threw a party at my parents' house where things got out of hand.  While my brother got the brunt of their wrath (and rightfully so), the manner in which my parents immediately dealt with the rest of the kids was neigh close to a war crime.  Their response to the parents was "either you deal with them or we do".  The other parents washed their hands and let mine have at it.

On the up side, I didn't have to do any real yard work, maintenance, etc. for my parents for about a year.

/when my younger brother screws up, he does so in near Spielburgian fashion


Do tell what your parents did to the other kids. Sounds interesting.
 
2013-09-27 02:46:48 PM  

super_grass: All property is a form of theft. And you can't sue for damages to your stolen goods.


From the dictionary:   property is that which is had by or belongs to/with something, whether as an attribute or a component.

And it turns out that NY Penal Code 145.0 says that you can sue for damages to it.

/obvious troll is obvious
 
2013-09-27 02:49:41 PM  
Out of curiosity if they took the pictures themselves couldn't they get him for copyright infringement?

/These kids should DIAF.
 
2013-09-27 02:50:46 PM  

Tyrosine: Ned Stark: Tyrosine: Ned Stark: Tyrosine: Headso: I read some of the tweets from the website the guy put up, the funny thing is it sounded like some of the kids didn't even know the party was being held in a house that was broken into to. Saying stuff like "thanks to the hosts, this was a great party"

Did you see the pictures of the house? Graffiti everywhere, lots of damage, and the $20k estimate does not include contents. Anyone there had to have known something was not right.

No not really. Spray cans could have come out at any time during the night.

Just a word of advice: If you are either so myopic or gullible as to believe the kids at the party "totally thought everything was cool" then you might want to shut down your email accounts before you get any messages from Nigerian prices needing needing your assistance.

What, never went to a party where you didn't know the homeowner?

Of course, but not knowing the homeowner isn't the problem. No adult presence is the first clue. If you show up at a party, in a nice house, with 100+ people (all between 14 and 20) but no adults, you're damn right you should be suspicious. And I am speaking from experience on this.


Which do you think is more likely, a conspiracy of 300 teenagers who picked out a house and planned a party and maintained perfect secrecy up until the moment the party started and then as a group went immediately full retard and posted pics everywhere -or- a grouop of 8 or so teenagers who planned a party and broke the locks plus 292 teenagers who got a text saying "my c-razy uncle says we got the house for this weekend! Tell all your friends!"

You don't need to be part of the "planning committee" to be responsible for what happens. If you are involved in an activity that you know, or reasonably should know, is illegal you are responsible and I contend that given the damage that occurred and the circumstances of the party, the vast majority of people in attendance must have known that something was ...


We had this discussion the last time this story made the rounds. in NY you have to KNOW you are Trespassing for it to be so. So if the kid who knew Holloway who supposedly cooked up this party told people it was his place or whatever then they did not knowingly trespass and as such rightfully believed they were invited on to the property. I don't know about you but I cannot recall any party in HS which i attended where parents were in attendance especially when kegs were involved.

So it is entirely possible that some of the kids who are in these photos did not know they were in the home illegally, also unless there are timestamps on the photos showing kid A at the party when things were being destroyed etc they have no responsibility in my mind for any of the damage that occurred in that home. Especially if they believed that someone who owned or lived in the house was there. How many kids who have thrown parties while their folks were away trashed their own homes or let other people do it. I have seen it first hand so it wouldn't be completely crazy to see at a huge party. This is why kids call the cops on their own parties all the time. They cant control the scene so they call the cops to clear everyone out.

I went to a lot of parties in HS, many times not knowing the owner etc. If something was broken in the house does that automatically make me or anyone else there responsible ? I don't think so. It makes whoever broke it responsible.

So I can see how some parents wouldn't want their kids named dragged through the mud simply because they showed up at a party that got out of hand. The kids could have been completely oblivious to the fact that their hosts broke in to the home.
 
2013-09-27 02:51:37 PM  

Warlordtrooper: Out of curiosity if they took the pictures themselves couldn't they get him for copyright infringement?

/These kids should DIAF.


They wouldn't have standing - facebook owns those images, likewise, so does twitter. At least according to their EULAs.
 
2013-09-27 02:58:25 PM  

tmonsta: In the late nineties Brian Holloway broke into the same house and wrecked it to drive out his soon-to-be ex-wife.


How is that germane?  Exactly who is on trial here?  What Brian Holloway did 15 years ago really has no bearing on what these kids did 1 month ago.  And by the way, when he broke into that same house who was the owner of record?  How does one break into their own property?

When I was 11 I was caught shoplifting a pack of gum from a convenience store.  So if some thug sets my car on fire tomorrow I guess that means I can't pursue them legally?  After all, I did commit an offense.

/ I'm also guilty of bending my library card in half and sharpening pencils on both ends.  Fortunately I was never caught for those heinous acts.
 
2013-09-27 03:02:05 PM  

farm machine: sharpening pencils on both ends.


You should have been expelled from school and sent to a a gulag for that act of terrorism.
 
2013-09-27 03:04:19 PM  

scubamage: Warlordtrooper: Out of curiosity if they took the pictures themselves couldn't they get him for copyright infringement?

/These kids should DIAF.

They wouldn't have standing - facebook owns those images, likewise, so does twitter. At least according to their EULAs.


But copyright is assigned the moment the image is taken.
 
2013-09-27 03:04:27 PM  
Here's someone who understands that sometimes teenagers do very stupid things and he chose not to ruin their life over it.  He gave them every opportunity to make amend and the result is a threatened lawsuit and just one kid who stepped forward because he knew he had farked up.  Yeah, release the kraken.

I agree, massive public shaming starting with the parents.  Fark 'em all up the pooper.
 
2013-09-27 03:05:48 PM  

scubamage: Warlordtrooper: Out of curiosity if they took the pictures themselves couldn't they get him for copyright infringement?

/These kids should DIAF.

They wouldn't have standing - facebook owns those images, likewise, so does twitter. At least according to their EULAs.


Wow, the clueless remain clueless.  People have been convicted of and had their facebook and myspace, twitter, blog posts, used in courts for at least the last five years.

Has nothing to do with ownership of the images on whether or not they can be used in court, a quick subpoena and they magically are in court.
 
2013-09-27 03:08:21 PM  

theflatline: scubamage: Warlordtrooper: Out of curiosity if they took the pictures themselves couldn't they get him for copyright infringement?

/These kids should DIAF.

They wouldn't have standing - facebook owns those images, likewise, so does twitter. At least according to their EULAs.

Wow, the clueless remain clueless.  People have been convicted of and had their facebook and myspace, twitter, blog posts, used in courts for at least the last five years.

Has nothing to do with ownership of the images on whether or not they can be used in court, a quick subpoena and they magically are in court.


I wasn't implying that their use in court as evidence would be invalid but rather that the guys use of them on his website he set up violated copyright law just as it would If I put up movies or pictures on my own website when I don't own the copyright.  I'm not going to defend these asshats just thinking about an odd legal situation.
 
2013-09-27 03:16:33 PM  

Slappy McLongstockings: Matthew Keene: Slappy McLongstockings: 
Where are the campaigns for testicular cancer? This pink ribbon shiat is discriminatory. I say 'Brownish-Yellow Ribbons for Testicular Cancer!'

Personally I would find the diagnosis of most of the people here simply to be justice and would appreciate the pain they will feel since they care not for the pain they cause others so they can play a game and wave around plastic pom poms.


Wow, do you go to church here?

elizabethgrattan.com

Either you're trolling, or you really need to get some help. I'm not saying that in a condescending way, but as someone who is able to recognize that thinking along these lines is a sign of a serious problem/s that need to be addressed. Please, this isn't an attempt to come down on you. Please give these people a call and see if they can help you:

http://www.nami.org/Content/ContentGroups/Helpline1/Mental_Health_Pr of essionals_Who_They_Are_and_How_to_Find_One.htm
 
2013-09-27 03:16:46 PM  

tmonsta: hasty ambush: tmonsta: TMZ is reporting that the house is in foreclosure and was abandoned at the time of party and that Holloway is making a big deal of this to solicit donations.

http://www.tmz.com/2013/09/22/brian-holloway-patriots-party-house-fo re closure-new-york/

Even in foreclosure it is somebody's property.  The owner could still be libel for unrecovered monies, the mortgage holder and even the tax payers if taxes are owed.   It is not open to destruction by a bunch of thug and thuggette wanna be douches.

I am not defending the kids actions, I just think it is another one of the situations where everyone involved is a colossal douche-bag. In the late nineties Brian Holloway broke into the same house and wrecked it to drive out his soon-to-be ex-wife.

http://www.nytimes.com/1997/06/01/sports/one-more-athlete-s-wife-pic ks -up-the-pieces-of-her-life.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm


If you own the house and everything in it, as he did according to the article, he's not really breaking in.  He was violating a restraining order, but all the things he took were his to take.  It's a dickish move - something that often happens in nasty divorce cases - but it's in no way the same as teenagers breaking into a strangers house and having a party.
 
2013-09-27 03:30:21 PM  

yves0010: super_grass: theflatline: super_grass: I get his frustration, but this is just too close to vigilanteism. They're just kids, and posting their pics online is only going to lead to harassment and mistaken identities. Combine that with the attractive nuisance and unsupervised (read: unsafe) condition of his house I'd say things are pretty damned even.

Human safety is worth more than your McMansion, I'm afraid.


So every one who has a summer house, or even leaves their house unattended can not hold anyone liable for breaking in and trashing it because no one was home at the time?

So if 300 kids pop by your house when you are out of town, destroy it, you are going to let bygones be bygones?

Plus these kids posted their own pics online, that is where he got them from.  They are the ones that put it out there.

How are these kids endangered by their pics online?  That the cops will arrest them for a crime they committed, that they themselves posted?

Guy gave them a chance to own it, even threw a big lunch and provided all the stuff necessary to clean up the joint, and only four people showed.

IF you're some 1%-er with a house that you don't live in all year, don't be surprised when people take advantage of the situation. Get some insurance and move on.

The LAW was broken here. They BROKE into the man's house. They DESTROYED his property. He is in his RIGHT to protect his property and livelihood. These kids, even those ignorant of whose house it is, still BROKE THE LAW! This means there is a CONSEQUENCE to THEIR actions The idea that because someone does not use their home(s) all the time does not mean they can not charge someone for breaking and entering.

/Ignorance of the law is no excuse.
//Punishment for every kid who did not show up to help clean up.


Ignorance actually is an excuse for trespassing. Sorry to bust your jailboner.
 
2013-09-27 03:36:39 PM  

Tyrosine: Ned Stark: Tyrosine: Ned Stark: Tyrosine: Headso: I read some of the tweets from the website the guy put up, the funny thing is it sounded like some of the kids didn't even know the party was being held in a house that was broken into to. Saying stuff like "thanks to the hosts, this was a great party"

Did you see the pictures of the house? Graffiti everywhere, lots of damage, and the $20k estimate does not include contents. Anyone there had to have known something was not right.

No not really. Spray cans could have come out at any time during the night.

Just a word of advice: If you are either so myopic or gullible as to believe the kids at the party "totally thought everything was cool" then you might want to shut down your email accounts before you get any messages from Nigerian prices needing needing your assistance.

What, never went to a party where you didn't know the homeowner?

Of course, but not knowing the homeowner isn't the problem. No adult presence is the first clue. If you show up at a party, in a nice house, with 100+ people (all between 14 and 20) but no adults, you're damn right you should be suspicious. And I am speaking from experience on this.


Which do you think is more likely, a conspiracy of 300 teenagers who picked out a house and planned a party and maintained perfect secrecy up until the moment the party started and then as a group went immediately full retard and posted pics everywhere -or- a grouop of 8 or so teenagers who planned a party and broke the locks plus 292 teenagers who got a text saying "my c-razy uncle says we got the house for this weekend! Tell all your friends!"

You don't need to be part of the "planning committee" to be responsible for what happens. If you are involved in an activity that you know, or reasonably should know, is illegal you are responsible and I contend that given the damage that occurred and the circumstances of the party, the vast majority of people in attendance must have known that something was not right.

As posting pictures you seem to see this as an indication that the people there did not know they were doing anything wrong. I hate to point it out to you, but YouTube, Twitter, and Facebook are filled with idiots who post illegal stuff and are simply shocked when their posts are entered as evidence against them.


I don't question that people post photos of themselves doing illegal shiat online. I question the narrative where its asserted that there's a lot of overlap between pros who do so and people who can keep a conspiracy involving 300 people quiet.
 
2013-09-27 03:36:44 PM  

Warlordtrooper: Out of curiosity if they took the pictures themselves couldn't they get him for copyright infringement?

/These kids should DIAF.


Them pictures is mines!
 
2013-09-27 03:38:32 PM  

Ned Stark: Tyrosine: Ned Stark: Tyrosine: Ned Stark: Tyrosine: Headso: I read some of the tweets from the website the guy put up, the funny thing is it sounded like some of the kids didn't even know the party was being held in a house that was broken into to. Saying stuff like "thanks to the hosts, this was a great party"

Did you see the pictures of the house? Graffiti everywhere, lots of damage, and the $20k estimate does not include contents. Anyone there had to have known something was not right.

No not really. Spray cans could have come out at any time during the night.

Just a word of advice: If you are either so myopic or gullible as to believe the kids at the party "totally thought everything was cool" then you might want to shut down your email accounts before you get any messages from Nigerian prices needing needing your assistance.

What, never went to a party where you didn't know the homeowner?

Of course, but not knowing the homeowner isn't the problem. No adult presence is the first clue. If you show up at a party, in a nice house, with 100+ people (all between 14 and 20) but no adults, you're damn right you should be suspicious. And I am speaking from experience on this.


Which do you think is more likely, a conspiracy of 300 teenagers who picked out a house and planned a party and maintained perfect secrecy up until the moment the party started and then as a group went immediately full retard and posted pics everywhere -or- a grouop of 8 or so teenagers who planned a party and broke the locks plus 292 teenagers who got a text saying "my c-razy uncle says we got the house for this weekend! Tell all your friends!"

You don't need to be part of the "planning committee" to be responsible for what happens. If you are involved in an activity that you know, or reasonably should know, is illegal you are responsible and I contend that given the damage that occurred and the circumstances of the party, the vast majority of people in attendance must have known that something was not right.

As posting pictures you seem to see this as an indication that the people there did not know they were doing anything wrong. I hate to point it out to you, but YouTube, Twitter, and Facebook are filled with idiots who post illegal stuff and are simply shocked when their posts are entered as evidence against them.

I don't question that people post photos of themselves doing illegal shiat online. I question the narrative where its asserted that there's a lot of overlap between pros who do so and people who can keep a conspiracy involving 300 people quiet.


People who do so*.

Obviously. Outing yourself on facespace is non professional.
 
2013-09-27 03:39:02 PM  
Let the prosecuter handle this >>>>


State
Cite

Crime
Elements
Prison
Fine

VT
http://www.leg.state.vt.us/statutes/fullchapter.cfm?Title=13&Chapter =0 23" target="_top">13 Sec. 1201
Burglary
Enters any building knowing that he is not licensed or privileged to do so, with the intent to commit a felony, petit larceny, simple assault, or unlawful mischief or enters a building lawfully with the intent to commit such crimes, and surreptitiously remains in the building after his right to do so ends, or after the premises are no longer open to the public.
15 years (25 years if an occupied dwelling)
Up to $1,000
 
2013-09-27 03:43:50 PM  

Anschauer: Let the prosecuter handle this >>>>


State
Cite
Crime
Elements
Prison
Fine
VT
http://www.leg.state.vt.us/statutes/fullchapter.cfm?Title=13&Chapter =0 23" target="_top">13 Sec. 1201
Burglary
Enters any building knowing that he is not licensed or privileged to do so, with the intent to commit a felony, petit larceny, simple assault, or unlawful mischief or enters a building lawfully with the intent to commit such crimes, and surreptitiously remains in the building after his right to do so ends, or after the premises are no longer open to the public.
15 years (25 years if an occupied dwelling)
Up to $1,000


What does Vermont have to do with this story ? It took place in NY
 
2013-09-27 03:47:33 PM  

Ned Stark: Tyrosine: Ned Stark: Tyrosine: Headso: I read some of the tweets from the website the guy put up, the funny thing is it sounded like some of the kids didn't even know the party was being held in a house that was broken into to. Saying stuff like "thanks to the hosts, this was a great party"

Did you see the pictures of the house? Graffiti everywhere, lots of damage, and the $20k estimate does not include contents. Anyone there had to have known something was not right.

No not really. Spray cans could have come out at any time during the night.

Just a word of advice: If you are either so myopic or gullible as to believe the kids at the party "totally thought everything was cool" then you might want to shut down your email accounts before you get any messages from Nigerian prices needing needing your assistance.

What, never went to a party where you didn't know the homeowner?

Which do you think is more likely, a conspiracy of 300 teenagers who picked out a house and planned a party and maintained perfect secrecy up until the moment the party started and then as a group went immediately full retard and posted pics everywhere -or- a grouop of 8 or so teenagers who planned a party and broke the locks plus 292 teenagers who got a text saying "my c-razy uncle says we got the house for this weekend! Tell all your friends!"


My uncles did that.

Planned it out ahead of time, got the parents a hotel room for the weekend, had the party, had 200 people show up (Quadruple lot house, but still) because my Uncle Moose knows EVERYBODY and invited EVERYBODY without telling his older brothers who were organizing it, did the cleanup, brought the parents home.

It's not unbelievable that the relatives might have said "Have fun".  Unlikely, yes, unbelievable, no.  Especially if the damage happened as the party was winding down and most of the guests had left (And I've been paying negative attention to this story, so I don't know if that's the case).
 
2013-09-27 03:47:37 PM  

Ned Stark: Ignorance actually is an excuse for trespassing. Sorry to bust your jailboner.


Misapplied. Tresspassing requires intent. If a person didn't know they were on private property, they couldn't form the intent to trespass on it.
The ignorance wasn't of the law, rather it was ignorance of the status fo the property they were on.
 
2013-09-27 03:56:33 PM  
I am all in favor of going after the kids criminally.  The problem lies in the fact of proving who caused the damage to charge them.  Attending a party is not illegal.  Attending a party where vandalism occurred is not illegal. You have to have people at the party with evidence they committed the harmful acts (graffiti, damaging walls, floors, etc.).   I am sure there are some who are on camera doing this behavior or some who admitted to doing these acts on social media.  These you can easily charge and hold accountable.  However the vast majority who attended probably will escape justice beyond the public shaming simply because you can't prove that they caused the damage to the house. Unless you come up with some conspiracy charge or some other creative attempt in order to get many to plead to something lesser or testify against the ones responsible for most of the damage.
 
2013-09-27 03:59:04 PM  
And yes, there is potentially trespassing for everyone.  Burglary would be difficult unless you can show clear intent to do some other offense in the residence.  Of course does the local prosecutor want to spend the next several months sorting through hundreds of cases against these kids for relatively minor offenses that will clog the court system and ultimately result little if any punishment.
 
2013-09-27 04:06:16 PM  
Apparently, NFL guy's home has been in foreclosure for a while, and was in such disrepair that neighbors thought it had been abandoned.  Even more interesting, they are saying teens have been routinely having parties there for quite some time, and one of the kids that organized it may have been squatting there.
 
2013-09-27 04:11:52 PM  

Ned Stark: yves0010: super_grass: theflatline: super_grass: I get his frustration, but this is just too close to vigilanteism. They're just kids, and posting their pics online is only going to lead to harassment and mistaken identities. Combine that with the attractive nuisance and unsupervised (read: unsafe) condition of his house I'd say things are pretty damned even.

Human safety is worth more than your McMansion, I'm afraid.


So every one who has a summer house, or even leaves their house unattended can not hold anyone liable for breaking in and trashing it because no one was home at the time?

So if 300 kids pop by your house when you are out of town, destroy it, you are going to let bygones be bygones?

Plus these kids posted their own pics online, that is where he got them from.  They are the ones that put it out there.

How are these kids endangered by their pics online?  That the cops will arrest them for a crime they committed, that they themselves posted?

Guy gave them a chance to own it, even threw a big lunch and provided all the stuff necessary to clean up the joint, and only four people showed.

IF you're some 1%-er with a house that you don't live in all year, don't be surprised when people take advantage of the situation. Get some insurance and move on.

The LAW was broken here. They BROKE into the man's house. They DESTROYED his property. He is in his RIGHT to protect his property and livelihood. These kids, even those ignorant of whose house it is, still BROKE THE LAW! This means there is a CONSEQUENCE to THEIR actions The idea that because someone does not use their home(s) all the time does not mean they can not charge someone for breaking and entering.

/Ignorance of the law is no excuse.
//Punishment for every kid who did not show up to help clean up.

Ignorance actually is an excuse for trespassing. Sorry to bust your jailboner.


No it isn't. Do you live there? No. Do you know anyone who currently lives there (I.E. The owner invited you over)? No... Then your trespassing. By definition of the word.

Trespassingn. entering another person's property without permission of the owner or his/her agent and without lawful authority (like that given to a health inspector) and causing any damage, no matter how slight. Any interference with the owner's (or a legal tenant's) use of the property is a sufficient showing of damage and is a civil wrong (tort) sufficient to form the basis for a lawsuit against the trespasser by the owner or a tenant using the property. Trespass includes erecting a fence on another's property or a roof which overhangs a neighbor's property, swinging the boom of a crane with loads of building materials over another's property, or dumping debris on another's real estate. In addition to damages, a court may grant an injunction prohibiting any further continuing, repeated or permanent trespass. Trespass for an illegal purpose is a crime.

They broke the law and ignorance of said law is still NO EXCUSE!
 
2013-09-27 04:23:48 PM  

Ned Stark: Which do you think is more likely, a conspiracy of 300 teenagers who picked out a house and planned a party and maintained perfect secrecy up until the moment the party started and then as a group went immediately full retard and posted pics everywhere -or- a grouop of 8 or so teenagers who planned a party and broke the locks plus 292 teenagers who got a text saying "my c-razy uncle says we got the house for this weekend! Tell all your friends!"


Here's the thing; that excuses the trespassing charges for some of them, maybe.

But does nothing for the vandalism.  I highly doubt anyone thought, "Yeah, this guy's uncle will be fine with kicking holes in walls, breaking windows, and peeing on the rug."
 
2013-09-27 04:25:39 PM  

yves0010: Ned Stark: yves0010: super_grass: theflatline: super_grass: I get his frustration, but this is just too close to vigilanteism. They're just kids, and posting their pics online is only going to lead to harassment and mistaken identities. Combine that with the attractive nuisance and unsupervised (read: unsafe) condition of his house I'd say things are pretty damned even.

Human safety is worth more than your McMansion, I'm afraid.


So every one who has a summer house, or even leaves their house unattended can not hold anyone liable for breaking in and trashing it because no one was home at the time?

So if 300 kids pop by your house when you are out of town, destroy it, you are going to let bygones be bygones?

Plus these kids posted their own pics online, that is where he got them from.  They are the ones that put it out there.

How are these kids endangered by their pics online?  That the cops will arrest them for a crime they committed, that they themselves posted?

Guy gave them a chance to own it, even threw a big lunch and provided all the stuff necessary to clean up the joint, and only four people showed.

IF you're some 1%-er with a house that you don't live in all year, don't be surprised when people take advantage of the situation. Get some insurance and move on.

The LAW was broken here. They BROKE into the man's house. They DESTROYED his property. He is in his RIGHT to protect his property and livelihood. These kids, even those ignorant of whose house it is, still BROKE THE LAW! This means there is a CONSEQUENCE to THEIR actions The idea that because someone does not use their home(s) all the time does not mean they can not charge someone for breaking and entering.

/Ignorance of the law is no excuse.
//Punishment for every kid who did not show up to help clean up.

Ignorance actually is an excuse for trespassing. Sorry to bust your jailboner.

No it isn't. Do you live there? No. Do you know anyone who currently lives there (I.E. The owner invited you over)? No... Then your trespassing. By definition of the word.

Trespassingn. entering another person's property without permission of the owner or his/her agent and without lawful authority (like that given to a health inspector) and causing any damage, no matter how slight. Any interference with the owner's (or a legal tenant's) use of the property is a sufficient showing of damage and is a civil wrong (tort) sufficient to form the basis for a lawsuit against the trespasser by the owner or a tenant using the property. Trespass includes erecting a fence on another's property or a roof which overhangs a neighbor's property, swinging the boom of a crane with loads of building materials over another's property, or dumping debris on another's real estate. In addition to damages, a court may grant an injunction prohibiting any further continuing, repeated or permanent trespass. Trespass for an illegal purpose is a crime.They broke the law and ignorance of said law is still NO EXCUSE!


So you demand to see the deed and a photo ID the first time you ho to anyone's house, right?
 
2013-09-27 04:29:53 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Ned Stark: Which do you think is more likely, a conspiracy of 300 teenagers who picked out a house and planned a party and maintained perfect secrecy up until the moment the party started and then as a group went immediately full retard and posted pics everywhere -or- a grouop of 8 or so teenagers who planned a party and broke the locks plus 292 teenagers who got a text saying "my c-razy uncle says we got the house for this weekend! Tell all your friends!"

Here's the thing; that excuses the trespassing charges for some of them, maybe.

But does nothing for the vandalism.  I highly doubt anyone thought, "Yeah, this guy's uncle will be fine with kicking holes in walls, breaking windows, and peeing on the rug."


And go ahead and throw the book at the ones who you can prove did that shiat. Its not anywhere near a 1:1 ratio with "people who were at the party"
 
2013-09-27 04:36:40 PM  
He really went out of his way to try and give them an easy way out after they trashed his house.  Four apologies, and the rest either did nothing or started making threats.  He was nicer to them than they deserved.
 
2013-09-27 04:42:34 PM  

Ned Stark: yves0010: Ned Stark: yves0010: super_grass: theflatline: super_grass: I get his frustration, but this is just too close to vigilanteism. They're just kids, and posting their pics online is only going to lead to harassment and mistaken identities. Combine that with the attractive nuisance and unsupervised (read: unsafe) condition of his house I'd say things are pretty damned even.

Human safety is worth more than your McMansion, I'm afraid.


So every one who has a summer house, or even leaves their house unattended can not hold anyone liable for breaking in and trashing it because no one was home at the time?

So if 300 kids pop by your house when you are out of town, destroy it, you are going to let bygones be bygones?

Plus these kids posted their own pics online, that is where he got them from.  They are the ones that put it out there.

How are these kids endangered by their pics online?  That the cops will arrest them for a crime they committed, that they themselves posted?

Guy gave them a chance to own it, even threw a big lunch and provided all the stuff necessary to clean up the joint, and only four people showed.

IF you're some 1%-er with a house that you don't live in all year, don't be surprised when people take advantage of the situation. Get some insurance and move on.

The LAW was broken here. They BROKE into the man's house. They DESTROYED his property. He is in his RIGHT to protect his property and livelihood. These kids, even those ignorant of whose house it is, still BROKE THE LAW! This means there is a CONSEQUENCE to THEIR actions The idea that because someone does not use their home(s) all the time does not mean they can not charge someone for breaking and entering.

/Ignorance of the law is no excuse.
//Punishment for every kid who did not show up to help clean up.

Ignorance actually is an excuse for trespassing. Sorry to bust your jailboner.

No it isn't. Do you live there? No. Do you know anyone who currently lives there (I.E. The owner invi ...


I only go to peoples houses I actually know. And seeing that most of the parties I go to are usually hosted by me. I see no need. But it is still part of the law. And the law can not be ignored. It kinda doesn't work that way.
 
2013-09-27 04:55:47 PM  

yves0010: Ned Stark: yves0010: Ned Stark: yves0010: super_grass: theflatline: super_grass: I get his frustration, but this is just too close to vigilanteism. They're just kids, and posting their pics online is only going to lead to harassment and mistaken identities. Combine that with the attractive nuisance and unsupervised (read: unsafe) condition of his house I'd say things are pretty damned even.

Human safety is worth more than your McMansion, I'm afraid.


So every one who has a summer house, or even leaves their house unattended can not hold anyone liable for breaking in and trashing it because no one was home at the time?

So if 300 kids pop by your house when you are out of town, destroy it, you are going to let bygones be bygones?

Plus these kids posted their own pics online, that is where he got them from.  They are the ones that put it out there.

How are these kids endangered by their pics online?  That the cops will arrest them for a crime they committed, that they themselves posted?

Guy gave them a chance to own it, even threw a big lunch and provided all the stuff necessary to clean up the joint, and only four people showed.

IF you're some 1%-er with a house that you don't live in all year, don't be surprised when people take advantage of the situation. Get some insurance and move on.

The LAW was broken here. They BROKE into the man's house. They DESTROYED his property. He is in his RIGHT to protect his property and livelihood. These kids, even those ignorant of whose house it is, still BROKE THE LAW! This means there is a CONSEQUENCE to THEIR actions The idea that because someone does not use their home(s) all the time does not mean they can not charge someone for breaking and entering.

/Ignorance of the law is no excuse.
//Punishment for every kid who did not show up to help clean up.

Ignorance actually is an excuse for trespassing. Sorry to bust your jailboner.

No it isn't. Do you live there? No. Do you know anyone who currently lives there (I.E. The owner invi ...

I only go to peoples houses I actually know. And seeing that most of the parties I go to are usually hosted by me. I see no need. But it is still part of the law. And the law can not be ignored. It kinda doesn't work that way.


There has to have been a first time you went to any house you've ever gone to. Don't care if you knew them. Did you demand proof they owned it or just take em at their word?

Does anyone who come to parties you throw demand proof you have the right to the place?

Has anyone in the world ever done this ridiculous bullshiat?
 
2013-09-27 04:58:07 PM  
Ned Stark is arguing very hard that these thugs had a right to trash the guys house.  It's amusing.
 
2013-09-27 05:00:05 PM  

yves0010: Ned Stark: yves0010: Ned Stark: yves0010: super_grass: theflatline: super_grass: I get his frustration, but this is just too close to vigilanteism. They're just kids, and posting their pics online is only going to lead to harassment and mistaken identities. Combine that with the attractive nuisance and unsupervised (read: unsafe) condition of his house I'd say things are pretty damned even.

Human safety is worth more than your McMansion, I'm afraid.


So every one who has a summer house, or even leaves their house unattended can not hold anyone liable for breaking in and trashing it because no one was home at the time?

So if 300 kids pop by your house when you are out of town, destroy it, you are going to let bygones be bygones?

Plus these kids posted their own pics online, that is where he got them from.  They are the ones that put it out there.

How are these kids endangered by their pics online?  That the cops will arrest them for a crime they committed, that they themselves posted?

Guy gave them a chance to own it, even threw a big lunch and provided all the stuff necessary to clean up the joint, and only four people showed.

IF you're some 1%-er with a house that you don't live in all year, don't be surprised when people take advantage of the situation. Get some insurance and move on.

The LAW was broken here. They BROKE into the man's house. They DESTROYED his property. He is in his RIGHT to protect his property and livelihood. These kids, even those ignorant of whose house it is, still BROKE THE LAW! This means there is a CONSEQUENCE to THEIR actions The idea that because someone does not use their home(s) all the time does not mean they can not charge someone for breaking and entering.

/Ignorance of the law is no excuse.
//Punishment for every kid who did not show up to help clean up.

Ignorance actually is an excuse for trespassing. Sorry to bust your jailboner.

No it isn't. Do you live there? No. Do you know anyone who currently lives there (I.E. The ...


You are completely wrong about Trespassing. You have to KNOW you are on land where you are not invited. This is why NO TRESPASSING signs were created and why they are posted like every 50 feet or whatever to make it as simple as possible for there to be no illusions about you being where you are not supposed to be. That is why you have to be asked to leave in most circumstances where this is ambiguous, and it isn't Trespassing until you REFUSE.
 
2013-09-27 05:25:34 PM  

JuggleGeek: Ned Stark is arguing very hard that these thugs had a right to trash the guys house.  It's amusing.


The rest of y'all are arguing pretty had that a couple hundred teenagers need to do hard time because they were in the general vicinity of some place where vandalism happened.

More frightening than amusing, really.
 
2013-09-27 05:32:11 PM  

Ned Stark: Does anyone who come to parties you throw demand proof you have the right to the place?

Has anyone in the world ever done this ridiculous bullshiat?


Do people come to the parties you throw and start breaking windows, punch holes in walls, spray graffiti etc?  Who in the heck goes to somebody's home and does that? What type of idiot sticks around and tweets about it others doing it.
 
2013-09-27 06:15:09 PM  
i43.tinypic.com
 
2013-09-27 07:38:22 PM  

Ned Stark: he rest of y'all are arguing pretty had that a couple hundred teenagers need to do hard time because they were in the general vicinity of some place where vandalism happened.


In the vicinity is quite different from "The thugs thought it was funny to post pictures from inside the house they were destroying".

And "take responsibility for your actions" is quite different than the "50 years breaking rocks" that you are pretending people are asking for.

The damages are supposed to be around $20,000.  There are supposedly over 300 kids involved.

If 300 kids kick in $67 each, that covers the 20,000.  But in your world, the guy that owned the house should be the one that has to shell out, because kids have a right to tear up other peoples houses.
 
2013-09-27 07:40:39 PM  

Krieghund: If it was my kid, I would tell them not to come forward and apologize.

I'm sure Holloway will stand by his word and won't press charges on the kids that confess, but I wouldn't want to take that chance. And just because he doesn't press charges it doesn't mean the police won't. You know they took the kids that confessed and told them to start coughing up names or they'd be charged with underage drinking, etc.

Even if my kid was in pictures taken at the party, good luck proving the jackass kid in the picture was actually my jackass kid.

The right thing is not necessarily the smart thing.


The right thing is always the right thing. What kind of person are you raising when you teach them that avoiding responsibility is more important than being a quality person?
 
2013-09-27 09:04:05 PM  

I_C_Weener: pueblonative: Wonder what the DA who has to prosecute these cases thinks of Mr. Holloway trying this case in the public like this. I'm sure the defense won't try to use that.

Defense: Your honor, I must protest these charges by the State. That man, not the State, made my client feel shame and angst and worry that he might..um...face charges...and stuff.

  the fact that alleged photos of my clients behavior without any context have been spread throughout the potential jury pool, hindering my client's chances for a fair trial.


FTFY.

I know, due process sucks.
 
2013-09-27 09:07:40 PM  

scubamage: pueblonative: Wonder what the DA who has to prosecute these cases thinks of Mr. Holloway trying this case in the public like this. I'm sure the defense won't try to use that.

More than likely it will be used against the defense, because it shows that the defendants don't regret their actions.


Do they have a photo of these kids filing past a line that says, "Party at Brian Holloway's place.  Oh, and yeah, we don't have permission of Mr. Halloway to be in here  But that doesn't matter just go in here and trash the home of a man who never consented to have you on his property"?  And does he have 300 faces to go with those 300.  If those don't match up, he has one fark of a defamation suit on his hand, and all the kids would have to prove is negligence.
 
2013-09-27 11:24:57 PM  
www.birthdaydirect.com
 
2013-09-28 12:13:19 AM  
Good for him. I might have had mixed emotions if he put out for all the arrests first thing, but having given them a fair chance to come forward, I say go ahead and charge every one of those brats you can identify in those pics.
 
2013-09-28 12:39:59 AM  

Slappy McLongstockings: Well at the very least this thread sorted out the people that can face up to the damages they cause support certain things...and the ones too afraid to.

Fortunately you can just remove people that don't care to even try and imagine the rivers of chemical waste they help cause with their rampant consumerism...eventually you may be left with a handful of people willing to at least tackle the issue.


Show us on the doll where Monsanto touched you.
 
2013-09-28 02:02:19 AM  

freak7: Priapetic: No.  But all parents should raise their kids with some basic concepts of decency so when their friend says, "Hey, we're gonna go to some party Seth's throwing in some house he broke into and trash the place!" their children say no.  This is not that hard a concept.

Yes, all teenagers always do the right thing if they've been raised correctly. Get the fark out of here with that fantasy world shiat.


Take a look in the mirror, you're part of the problem.  Most teens know better than to do this - it's your morality that's suspect.  Sorry to have to be the one to break it to you that you're the asshole.
 
2013-09-28 06:55:36 AM  

Walker: dittybopper: SilentStrider: Pocket Ninja: He needs to expand his website to start publicly shaming the worthless enablers those kids have as parents as well.

Second.

Third.  Any objections?

No objections. The motion passes.


Aye.
 
2013-09-28 03:31:28 PM  

pueblonative: scubamage: pueblonative: Wonder what the DA who has to prosecute these cases thinks of Mr. Holloway trying this case in the public like this. I'm sure the defense won't try to use that.

More than likely it will be used against the defense, because it shows that the defendants don't regret their actions.

Do they have a photo of these kids filing past a line that says, "Party at Brian Holloway's place.  Oh, and yeah, we don't have permission of Mr. Halloway to be in here  But that doesn't matter just go in here and trash the home of a man who never consented to have you on his property"?  And does he have 300 faces to go with those 300.  If those don't match up, he has one fark of a defamation suit on his hand, and all the kids would have to prove is negligence.


So, if I don't explicitly know that the owner of the house doesn't want me to pee on his carpet, break and steal his stuff, and spray paint graffiti inside the house, it is OK?

How is it defamation if all he is doing is reposting the content others have posted?

And I am not even sure what your '300 faces' comment was supposed to mean. He has pictures, I imagine the most important thing in those pictures is the faces.

The DA may have a hard time proving who did each criminal act, but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't try and create some level of accountability.  If it hurts some of the kids future chances...well, actions do have consequences.
 
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