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(RealClear)   Former NFL player Brian Holloway, after giving the hundreds of kids who trashed his house the chance to own up to their actions and be forgiven and only four showed up: "Okay, fine, let's start arresting people"   (realclear.com) divider line 322
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2013-09-27 11:02:33 AM  

Whatchoo Talkinbout: My parents would have kicked our asses and sent us to clean up, and do whatever was needed to make this right.

The 'NewlyTransformed America', how does it work?


Nobody gets spanked, everybody gets a trophy, everybody or nobody gets to be the valedictorian and everybody who tries out makes the cheerleading squad.  All the kids are on some type of prescribed pharmaceutical and in therapy and nobody is accountable for their own actions.
 
2013-09-27 11:02:35 AM  
The kids are surprising. The parents are the ones. They should have showed up with their kids in tow and helped clean up.

Enjoy the felony convictions. Your son is going to be a juvenile hall biatch. He'll have to give bjs just to get his pants back.

/A woman in Arizona thought a stay in juvenile would teach her son a lesson. He ended up being a suck boy for gang bangers. He had to suck them off or they would keep his clothing. She sure taught him a lesson. Maybe she'll take care of his case of AIDS for him.
 
2013-09-27 11:02:45 AM  

scubamage: Likely what is happening is he is asking the DA/DA's assistant to press charges against those involved - he can't pick and choose because in a lot of areas that'd be malicious prosecution. What he can do is use the fact that those kids came forward as a mitigating circumstance when the now-defendant is working with the DA.


Likely the four will be somewhat instrumental in providing more information for the DA to prosecute certain people and that does not prevent the ex-NFL star from filing civil suits and recovering the damages from others, nor does it excuse his participation and promotion of products that lead to the painful death of kids simply by their production alone.

He should be shamed as all NFL fans, players, owners, cities that decide to forego bridge maintenance for football GAME...the list is long
 
2013-09-27 11:02:50 AM  
fta He said hearing about Hawk's involvement "was a shocker."

img.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-27 11:02:51 AM  

Slappy McLongstockings: He should feel shame for supporting an organization like the NFL.

Think of all the useless stupid crap made for each NFL player and the diseases it gives the most vulnerable.  He should feel shame for the countless deaths his organization has contributed to as well as each NFL fan that continues to support people that give others diseases which lead to a painful death.


OK, I'll bite.

What the Fark are you talking about?

/don't know
//seriously, I have no idea
 
2013-09-27 11:03:10 AM  

pueblonative: Wonder what the DA who has to prosecute these cases thinks of Mr. Holloway trying this case in the public like this. I'm sure the defense won't try to use that.


Defense: Your honor, I must protest these charges by the State. That man, not the State, made my client feel shame and angst and worry that he might..um...face charges...and stuff.
 
2013-09-27 11:03:11 AM  

Tyrosine: Headso: I read some of the tweets from the website the guy put up, the funny thing is it sounded like some of the kids didn't even know the party was being held in a house that was broken into to. Saying stuff like "thanks to the hosts, this was a great party"

Did you see the pictures of the house? Graffiti everywhere, lots of damage, and the $20k estimate does not include contents. Anyone there had to have known something was not right.


If the damage was done at the beginning of the party and all who attended saw it sure, if it happened toward the end after some people had come and gone it's reasonable to believe some people just thought it was your typical house party.
 
2013-09-27 11:03:50 AM  
Thebiggestgrumpycatgoodintheuniverse.jpg
 
2013-09-27 11:04:01 AM  
The kids AREN'T surprising. The parents are the ones that are suprising....

Sorry. Drugs haven't kicked in yet.
 
2013-09-27 11:04:35 AM  

NASAM: stir22: NASAM: And the worst part is, some of the parents are threatening to sue if he outs them.

sue him for what?

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/ex-nfl-star-face-lawsuits -p arents-house-crashing-teens-article-1.1462008


wow.   thanks for the link.

catmandu: stir22: NASAM: And the worst part is, some of the parents are threatening to sue if he outs them.

sue him for what?

Slandering the good name of their little snowflakes and making it harder to get into a good college


i see that.  my folks would have kicked my ass.
 
2013-09-27 11:04:48 AM  

freak7: Lost Thought 00: freak7: Chances are, most of the parents don't even know their kids were at the party.

They are minors (I assume) under their care and supervision. Lack of knowledge is not an excuse, because it is their job and responsibility to account for the whereabouts of their children at all times.

I'm not making excuses, just stating a fact. Also, if you think you can keep track of a teens whereabouts at all times, well that tells me you don't have kids.

My point was that if more parents were aware that there kids were there, more would have shown up.

If it turns out that the kids of the parent or parents who were batching about their snowflakes picture being posted online didn't show up to clean, I'm all for taking them out back and shooting them.


This story is getting heavy coverage and it took place in a fairly tight community. Parents would have to be willfully ignorant to not be aware of what happened and check to see if their kids were involved.
 
2013-09-27 11:04:52 AM  
I'm thinking that some of the kids haven't told their parents that they were there.....and are going to be in deeper shiat when the cops so up to their door.
 
2013-09-27 11:04:58 AM  

Valiente: MadMattressMack: He took a higher road than I would've. I would've started with arresting people then created the website shaming them while having a PI collect information so I can sue all their parents. Give none quarter.

Odd. That's my policy with the homeless.


It's also my policy with dating.
 
2013-09-27 11:05:32 AM  

HailRobonia: The ringleader was a homeless kid he took in for a time. Moral of the story: No good deed goes unpunished.


Not if I can help it, anyway.
 
2013-09-27 11:06:44 AM  

MadMattressMack: Valiente: MadMattressMack: He took a higher road than I would've. I would've started with arresting people then created the website shaming them while having a PI collect information so I can sue all their parents. Give none quarter.

Odd. That's my policy with the homeless.

It's also my policy with dating.


Not me.  I always bring along quarters for the vibrating bed.
 
2013-09-27 11:06:59 AM  
The 4 kids who showed up and admitted being part of this should face much less punishment than those who are hiding from it.  I would work their little asses off in cleaning up and repairing the damage and then tack on some more community service.  For the rest of the little assholes?  Charge 'em!

Perhaps one of our fine Fark GED Attorneys can clarify a matter of law here.  Aren't the parents of minors responsible/liable for the kid's actions in the eyes of the law?  If a 15 year old breaks a window, the parents are on the hook to a point, right?

/flunked out of the Fark Legal Academy
 
2013-09-27 11:07:55 AM  

ferretman: I'm thinking that some of the kids haven't told their parents that they were there.....and are going to be in deeper shiat when the cops so up to their door.


DING DING DING!
 
2013-09-27 11:08:06 AM  
Good for the old footbol dude.

Slap these brats with the law.
 
2013-09-27 11:08:11 AM  

Pocket Ninja: He needs to expand his website to start publicly shaming the worthless enablers those kids have as parents as well.


What did the parents do again?
 
2013-09-27 11:10:48 AM  

trappedspirit: Pocket Ninja: He needs to expand his website to start publicly shaming the worthless enablers those kids have as parents as well.

What did the parents do again?


Enabled.
 
2013-09-27 11:11:18 AM  

trappedspirit: Pocket Ninja: He needs to expand his website to start publicly shaming the worthless enablers those kids have as parents as well.

What did the parents do again?


Perhaps you missed the part where some of the parents threatened a lawsuit against the homeowner for shaming their poor precious little snowflakes.
 
2013-09-27 11:11:19 AM  

radiovox: The 4 kids who showed up and admitted being part of this should face much less punishment than those who are hiding from it.  I would work their little asses off in cleaning up and repairing the damage and then tack on some more community service.  For the rest of the little assholes?  Charge 'em!

Perhaps one of our fine Fark GED Attorneys can clarify a matter of law here.  Aren't the parents of minors responsible/liable for the kid's actions in the eyes of the law?  If a 15 year old breaks a window, the parents are on the hook to a point, right?

/flunked out of the Fark Legal Academy


In a civil case, yes the parents are responsible. However, this is criminal charges, and not a civil case.
Now if he launches civil suits against all of the parents, the threats of suing him, combined with the kid's refusal to help clean up would make it a pretty clean case to recover all of the damages + legal fees.
 
2013-09-27 11:11:40 AM  

ferretman: I'm thinking that some of the kids haven't told their parents that they were there.....and are going to be in deeper shiat when the cops so up to their door.


Wouldn't the parents at least be curious? If I'd seen a party like that at or near my hometown and read that the perps posted the damn pictures of themselves.... I'd be checking it.
 
2013-09-27 11:12:06 AM  

trappedspirit: Pocket Ninja: He needs to expand his website to start publicly shaming the worthless enablers those kids have as parents as well.

What did the parents do again?


Enabled their children. Parents can be held liable and he can sue them for damages if he can prove their snow flake was the one that did the damage. So the ones who took picks of them breaking stuff or spray painted their name are really in trouble.
 
2013-09-27 11:12:39 AM  
this thread: charge every kid with a felony! lock up all the parents and throw away the key!
next prison population thread: wtf! prison industrial complex trying to lock everyone up! this country is farked up with that shiat! we're no better than china, maaaaaan.
 
2013-09-27 11:13:07 AM  

I_C_Weener: MadMattressMack: Valiente: MadMattressMack: He took a higher road than I would've. I would've started with arresting people then created the website shaming them while having a PI collect information so I can sue all their parents. Give none quarter.

Odd. That's my policy with the homeless.

It's also my policy with dating.

Not me.  I always bring along quarters for the vibrating bed.


I make them pay for it. i bring the bed bug spray, though.
 
2013-09-27 11:13:41 AM  

Snarfangel: Thebiggestgrumpycatgoodintheuniverse.jpg


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2013-09-27 11:14:09 AM  
Screw those punk kids but on the other hand ....  Brian Holloway seems to have taken too many blows to the head.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSvadf9e_AI
 
2013-09-27 11:14:38 AM  
I just love that the little dumbasses posted all of the evidence to the internet.  10 years ago, 99% of those meddling kids would have gotten away with it because they could just claim they showed up, realized things were bad and just left.  Now we've got twitter pages full of evidence.
 
2013-09-27 11:16:19 AM  

Headso: this thread: charge every kid with a felony! lock up all the parents and throw away the key!
next prison population thread: wtf! prison industrial complex trying to lock everyone up! this country is farked up with that shiat! we're no better than china, maaaaaan.


I highly doubt most of these kids will see a jail. The ones who have done things before might because fark offenders who are dumb enough to be caught multiple times, but most will be put in ARD/Probation/whatever their state's equivalent is.
 
2013-09-27 11:16:57 AM  

Headso: this thread: charge every kid with a felony! lock up all the parents and throw away the key!
next prison population thread: wtf! prison industrial complex trying to lock everyone up! this country is farked up with that shiat! we're no better than china, maaaaaan.


There's a difference between non-violent drug offenders that need help that prison won't solve and these people. There's also a lot more of them in the penal system.

\penal
 
2013-09-27 11:17:00 AM  
FTFA: Instead, he said, some parents were angry about his website and there was even a threatened lawsuit.

Oh, yeah. The guy gives the kids a chance to come forward and take personal responsibility for their actions and he's the bad guy. Christ, some people need repeated kicks in the nether regions.
 
2013-09-27 11:18:00 AM  

Headso: this thread: charge every kid with a felony! lock up all the parents and throw away the key!
next prison population thread: wtf! prison industrial complex trying to lock everyone up! this country is farked up with that shiat! we're no better than china, maaaaaan.


The lady doth protest too much methinks.

I see shades of a farker who got into lots of trouble as a teen, and didn't like being in trouble for it.
 
2013-09-27 11:19:58 AM  

trappedspirit: Pocket Ninja: He needs to expand his website to start publicly shaming the worthless enablers those kids have as parents as well.

What did the parents do again?


www.trilobite.org
 
2013-09-27 11:20:53 AM  
Reminds me of this
 
2013-09-27 11:21:17 AM  

SweetSaws: Reminds me of this


I remember that.
 
2013-09-27 11:22:15 AM  
Put me down for "Grumpy Cat Good"
 
2013-09-27 11:22:54 AM  

Headso: this thread: charge every kid with a felony! lock up all the parents and throw away the key!
next prison population thread: wtf! prison industrial complex trying to lock everyone up! this country is farked up with that shiat! we're no better than china, maaaaaan.


That's a lovely straw man you're building there.
 
2013-09-27 11:22:55 AM  

blatz514: Valeriyance: ShadowLAnCeR: Walker: dittybopper: SilentStrider: Pocket Ninja: He needs to expand his website to start publicly shaming the worthless enablers those kids have as parents as well.

Second.

Third.  Any objections?

No objections. The motion passes.

*Applause*

I'll get the lights.

Hey, where is everybody?


At the Holoways', big party tonite! #woot!
 
2013-09-27 11:23:02 AM  

radiovox: The 4 kids who showed up and admitted being part of this should face much less punishment than those who are hiding from it.  I would work their little asses off in cleaning up and repairing the damage and then tack on some more community service.  For the rest of the little assholes?  Charge 'em!

Perhaps one of our fine Fark GED Attorneys can clarify a matter of law here.  Aren't the parents of minors responsible/liable for the kid's actions in the eyes of the law?  If a 15 year old breaks a window, the parents are on the hook to a point, right?

/flunked out of the Fark Legal Academy


More or less yes, it's not poltically correct to say, but LEGALLY minors are "chattel" of thier parents, which is to say, their property more or less.  When you property intentionally or negligently damages another, you have the liability for it.  In exactly the same way as you would be liabile for injuries caused by a bite from your dog.


What I wonder is whether any of these asshat parent, who very much seem the type, will hire a sleazebag lawyer to Sue the homeowner claiming that leave the house abandonded like that constituted "an attractive nusiance"  and therefore HE is liable to THEM for damages thier kid suffered.

Such a theory SHOULD get laughed out of court, especially given the ages of the participants (Attractive bnuisance is more palatable when it involves very young kids who might not be expected to "know better")  but it would not shock me in the slightest to see it tried
 
2013-09-27 11:24:00 AM  
OUTSTANDING
 
2013-09-27 11:24:26 AM  

scubamage: Headso: this thread: charge every kid with a felony! lock up all the parents and throw away the key!
next prison population thread: wtf! prison industrial complex trying to lock everyone up! this country is farked up with that shiat! we're no better than china, maaaaaan.

I highly doubt most of these kids will see a jail. The ones who have done things before might because fark offenders who are dumb enough to be caught multiple times, but most will be put in ARD/Probation/whatever their state's equivalent is.


I don't think they will either and I don't think they should unless they were actually the ones stealing the statue or vandalizing the home, and maybe even not then. I'm just speaking toward the attitude of the thread and others on fark where people are caught committing petty crime, it's like a bunch of kim jong uns posting wanting to condemn three generations of the family to hard labor.
 
2013-09-27 11:25:18 AM  

Headso: If the damage was done at the beginning of the party and all who attended saw it sure, if it happened toward the end after some people had come and gone it's reasonable to believe some people just thought it was your typical house party


This didn't happen in the Marcy Projects or at some abandoned farm in Ass-Pick West Virginia. If you roll into a house party in this type of neighborhood and you see spray paint on the walls, holes kicked in the drywall, broken furniture and windows, you would have to be one of the stupidest people to ever grace this earth to not realize:

1. Something isn't right
2. Someone is going to be pissed
3. There will be consequences
 
2013-09-27 11:25:32 AM  

Guadior42: What the Fark are you talking about?


For instance..the NFL and the Pink Ribbon problem. They sell the Pink Ribbon football and the Pink Ribbon people sell their Pink Ribbon logo to companies like Yoplait who makes products with chemicals known to cause breast cancers. Same with Victoria's Secret. So many of their products contain parabens.

The chemicals used in the production of NFL paraphernalia all over the world kills people while others cheer with them and they think they have a moral high ground?

I think not.
 
2013-09-27 11:27:02 AM  
If I had done something like this, my folks would have dragged me by the hair back to this guys house, with a mop, broom etc and kicked my ass like a rented mule until it was all cleaned up to his satisfaction.
 
2013-09-27 11:29:57 AM  

Ex-Texan: This is a stand up guy, giving these kids numerous chances to come clean, and they thought if they ignored him, he'd go away. Now the kids are getting ready to defend themselves over a felony rap. No matter what happens, the defense attorneys and bail bondsmen are gonna get a windfall. If any of the parents think their kids can get away scot free on what they did, well think again. If were up to me, I'd give the kids "baseball bat" therapy, and fine the parents an additional "stupidity charge". Good luck with that "parent-tards."


One of the rare times that Fark is unanimous in their feelings towards an issue.

/Fark the kids
//Fark their parents
///I hope he sues them for what their snowflakes did to his house
 
2013-09-27 11:30:17 AM  

starsrift: Snarfangel: Thebiggestgrumpycatgoodintheuniverse.jpg

[aneverbiggergrumpycatgood.jpg]

 i.imgur.com
 
2013-09-27 11:32:31 AM  

scubamage: Walker: dittybopper: SilentStrider: Pocket Ninja: He needs to expand his website to start publicly shaming the worthless enablers those kids have as parents as well.

Second.

Third.  Any objections?

No objections. The motion passes.

All in favor, say AYE.


AYE~!
 
2013-09-27 11:32:44 AM  

MadMattressMack: SweetSaws: Reminds me of this

I remember that.


Dafaq? It removed my image. It reminds me of the movie Project X
 
2013-09-27 11:33:15 AM  

Headso: this thread: charge every kid with a felony! lock up all the parents and throw away the key!
next prison population thread: wtf! prison industrial complex trying to lock everyone up! this country is farked up with that shiat! we're no better than china, maaaaaan.


Prison? Life-long criminal record? No. But restitution and community service. It's good for kids to face the consequences of their actions, and I'm saying this as someone who as a juvenile did pull some stupid shiat, got caught, and faced up to what I did.
 
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