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2013-09-27 10:22:43 AM  
Look, the B1G is down more so than I can ever remember (except our resident SEC school, O$U) we get it
 
2013-09-27 10:45:43 AM  
9 game conference schedules are killing/will kill everyone's SOS. I'm not even sure you can realistically blame teams for their ratings.

Bigger programs usually need at least 7 home games to make their budgets. There will be years when only 4 of those are at home and 5 are away or neutral. That gives them only the remaining 3 games to make their budgets.

They won't be able to schedule good opponents with any regularity because those opponents A: will also need home games and B: will want a guaranteed home-and-home which may end up being unworkable.

The only shcool's willing to just be visitors will be the smaller schools who can take the visitor paycheck and get by just fine.

I hope ya'll enjoyed cross-conference rivalries while you had them. They won't last much longer.
 
2013-09-27 11:05:41 AM  

timswar: The only shcool's willing to just be visitors will be the smaller schools who can take the visitor paycheck and get by just fine./i>

Your typo made me read your entire post in the voice of Sean Connery....

 
2013-09-27 11:16:38 AM  
Michigan State a cupcake? It's not like they are Alphabet Soup University.
 
2013-09-27 11:23:56 AM  

timswar: 9 game conference schedules are killing/will kill everyone's SOS. I'm not even sure you can realistically blame teams for their ratings.

Bigger programs usually need at least 7 home games to make their budgets. There will be years when only 4 of those are at home and 5 are away or neutral. That gives them only the remaining 3 games to make their budgets.

They won't be able to schedule good opponents with any regularity because those opponents A: will also need home games and B: will want a guaranteed home-and-home which may end up being unworkable.

The only shcool's willing to just be visitors will be the smaller schools who can take the visitor paycheck and get by just fine.

I hope ya'll enjoyed cross-conference rivalries while you had them. They won't last much longer.


With a 9 game conference season, you get 3 OOC games.

Teams will schedule 2 cupcakes that will come in and not need a return.

They should then try to get a home and home with another AQ conference team where the home game is in the year they only have 4 home conference games.

That will keep them all at 7 home games.
 
2013-09-27 11:25:55 AM  
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2013-09-27 11:31:05 AM  
Man all the traditional rivalries in college football are dying out. No Alabama-MSU, what's next no Notre Dame-Duke game? No USC-Colorado State?
 
2013-09-27 11:33:09 AM  
timswar:
Bigger programs usually need at least 7 home games to make their budgets.

So you're saying they are putting too much money into coach salaries?
 
2013-09-27 11:33:45 AM  

timswar: Bigger programs usually need at least 7 home games to make their budgets. There will be years when only 4 of those are at home and 5 are away or neutral. That gives them only the remaining 3 games to make their budgets.


I think we need to stop right there. When things hit a point where schools need over half of their schedule to be at home in order to make budget... when budgets nationwide, taken as a whole, require more total home games than actually exist... something has to eventually give, doesn't it?
 
2013-09-27 11:40:09 AM  

Gosling: timswar: Bigger programs usually need at least 7 home games to make their budgets. There will be years when only 4 of those are at home and 5 are away or neutral. That gives them only the remaining 3 games to make their budgets.

I think we need to stop right there. When things hit a point where schools need over half of their schedule to be at home in order to make budget... when budgets nationwide, taken as a whole, require more total home games than actually exist... something has to eventually give, doesn't it?


athletic programs need to hide assets so that they can claim that they can't afford to pay players?
 
2013-09-27 11:40:33 AM  

Gosling: timswar: Bigger programs usually need at least 7 home games to make their budgets. There will be years when only 4 of those are at home and 5 are away or neutral. That gives them only the remaining 3 games to make their budgets.

I think we need to stop right there. When things hit a point where schools need over half of their schedule to be at home in order to make budget... when budgets nationwide, taken as a whole, require more total home games than actually exist... something has to eventually give, doesn't it?


I thought football was the cash register that kept all of these schools afloat. Now they're claiming poverty unless they play all their games at home?
 
2013-09-27 11:40:50 AM  

Kurmudgeon: Michigan State a cupcake? It's not like they are Alphabet Soup University.


I like to watch them, but damn. You can't win against major programs without offensive talent. Great defense. Spectacular for college even. Horrendous offense.
 
2013-09-27 11:43:29 AM  
Remember thou art mortal
 
2013-09-27 11:45:40 AM  
As a msu fan I like to point out msu beat the last sec team they played(Georgia). However, this year calling our offense shiatty is kind of offensive to shiat. Defense not bad though.
 
2013-09-27 11:47:45 AM  

animesucks: Gosling: timswar: Bigger programs usually need at least 7 home games to make their budgets. There will be years when only 4 of those are at home and 5 are away or neutral. That gives them only the remaining 3 games to make their budgets.

I think we need to stop right there. When things hit a point where schools need over half of their schedule to be at home in order to make budget... when budgets nationwide, taken as a whole, require more total home games than actually exist... something has to eventually give, doesn't it?

athletic programs need to hide assets so that they can claim that they can't afford to pay players?


They already pay their players.  They have forever.
 
2013-09-27 11:50:48 AM  

Gosling: timswar: Bigger programs usually need at least 7 home games to make their budgets. There will be years when only 4 of those are at home and 5 are away or neutral. That gives them only the remaining 3 games to make their budgets.

I think we need to stop right there. When things hit a point where schools need over half of their schedule to be at home in order to make budget... when budgets nationwide, taken as a whole, require more total home games than actually exist... something has to eventually give, doesn't it?


The crappy teams make more money on road games than home games, typically.
 
2013-09-27 11:51:24 AM  
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2013-09-27 11:52:33 AM  
I suspect the NCAA will eventually allow another game to be scheduled.

Even if they don't I also suspect that the BCS conferences will take football and men's basketball out of the NCAA's hands within ten years anyway.

The NCAA's disciplinary systems are even more arbitrary and capricious than the No Fun League.
 
2013-09-27 12:00:43 PM  

slykens1: The NCAA's disciplinary systems are even more arbitrary and capricious than the No Fun League.


Oh, no doubt -- I mean, they allowed a school which had a long-running, institutional cover-up of child rape going on within their facilities involving a former member of their staff who still was given special access to the team and restricted areas to continue playing football.  Heck, now they're even reducing those slap-on-the-wrist penalties.  It's an absolute shame.
 
2013-09-27 12:00:55 PM  

Gosling: timswar: Bigger programs usually need at least 7 home games to make their budgets. There will be years when only 4 of those are at home and 5 are away or neutral. That gives them only the remaining 3 games to make their budgets.

I think we need to stop right there. When things hit a point where schools need over half of their schedule to be at home in order to make budget... when budgets nationwide, taken as a whole, require more total home games than actually exist... something has to eventually give, doesn't it?


Remember kiddies, the people that come up with this stuff are the same people that have taught our politicians about economics.  These are the same people educating our kids.  Don't enable the liars.
 
2013-09-27 12:17:59 PM  

thecpt: Kurmudgeon: Michigan State a cupcake? It's not like they are Alphabet Soup University.

I like to watch them, but damn. You can't win against major programs without offensive talent. Great defense. Spectacular for college even. Horrendous offense.


From EDSBS, on Notre Dame:

A 17-13 submission victory against Michigan State. (I.e. The only kind of game anyone plays against Michigan State, ever.)
 
2013-09-27 12:37:33 PM  
Why teams should take cupcakes kind of seriously:

upload.wikimedia.org

/No dog in the Michigan/Michigan State hunt
//UCLA fan
 
2013-09-27 12:38:38 PM  

timswar: Bigger programs usually need at least 7 home games to make their budgets. There will be years when only 4 of those are at home and 5 are away or neutral. That gives them only the remaining 3 games to make their budgets.


Nowadays, the amount of money schools make from television contracts dwarfs what they make from home games.
 
2013-09-27 12:39:38 PM  
Typical $EC move.  Don't keep any real competition on the schedule.  The Alabama school for the Blind and Otherwise encumbered is a good opponent.
 
2013-09-27 12:43:49 PM  
Alabama will get out of this scheduled games but they'd be damned if you are going to take away games like georgia state, florida atlantic or western carolina.
 
2013-09-27 12:46:06 PM  
I imagine this series was scheduled before A&M joined the SEC and the SEC East had just one decent team. Now that things are getting tougher in the SEC, Alabama is afraid of losing its stranglehold on college football.

It's a selfish and classless move that is highly reflective of an institution that has the gall to call itself a "university".
 
2013-09-27 12:54:14 PM  

Hospitaller: Typical $EC move.  Don't keep any real competition on the schedule.  The Alabama school for the Blind and Otherwise encumbered is a good opponent.


/wanking motion
 
2013-09-27 12:59:02 PM  
*snert* nice, subby.

That said, want to get rid of cupcake scheduling?  Part of the solution might be to hold off on top 25 rankings until week 4 or so of the college season.  Let the eyeball test of which good teams are winning and if they're beating other good teams before crowning somebody.
 
2013-09-27 01:06:33 PM  

iamskibibitz: I imagine this series was scheduled before A&M joined the SEC and the SEC East had just one decent team. Now that things are getting tougher in the SEC, Alabama is afraid of losing its stranglehold on college football.

It's a selfish and classless move that is highly reflective of an institution that has the gall to call itself a "university".


First off dummy the SEC East has had three decent teams for a decade.  Second, except for 2007 Alabama has scheduled a tough OOC game every year Saban has been coach unlike some schools.  Third, they did it because the SEC is moving to nine conference games and Alabama will schedule a neutral site game against a tough OOC opponent for the years they would have played MSU.  With 9 SEC games there will be one less home game every year and had Bama traveled to MSU that would have likely been two less home games that year.  That would be a major hit
 
2013-09-27 01:07:23 PM  

Wadded Beef: That said, want to get rid of cupcake scheduling? Part of the solution might be to hold off on top 25 rankings until week 4 or so of the college season. Let the eyeball test of which good teams are winning and if they're beating other good teams before crowning somebody.


How do you hold off on top 25 rankings till week 4?
 
2013-09-27 01:14:21 PM  

Hang On Voltaire: Wadded Beef: That said, want to get rid of cupcake scheduling? Part of the solution might be to hold off on top 25 rankings until week 4 or so of the college season. Let the eyeball test of which good teams are winning and if they're beating other good teams before crowning somebody.

How do you hold off on top 25 rankings till week 4?


Why have preseason rankings when no one's done dink on the field yet?
 
2013-09-27 01:15:36 PM  
Wadded Beef:

Why have preseason rankings when no one's done dink on the field yet?

Because people are interested in preseason rankings
 
2013-09-27 01:16:38 PM  

Henry Holland: Why teams should take cupcakes kind of seriously:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 400x300]

/No dog in the Michigan/Michigan State hunt
//UCLA fan


Agreed.  (And the saga continues this year with Akron and UConn.  We shouldn't be in the top 25 at all at this point.)
 
2013-09-27 01:24:01 PM  
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2013-09-27 01:29:56 PM  

Hang On Voltaire: Wadded Beef:

Why have preseason rankings when no one's done dink on the field yet?

Because people are interested in preseason rankings



Ah, but zillions more people are interested in more frequent excellent matchups, particularly OOC games. That week 3 of this season was an abomination of mismatches isn't healthy for the overall product. ALABAMA TAKES FOOT OFF GAS doesn't make a very compelling newspaper headline.

PLUS, imagine the chatter/fun that would occur prior to the "Week Four Reveal" of who's the top 25.
 
2013-09-27 01:35:38 PM  
Wadded Beef:


Ah, but zillions more people are interested in more frequent excellent matchups, particularly OOC games. That week 3 of this season was an abomination of mismatches isn't healthy for the overall product. ALABAMA TAKES FOOT OFF GAS doesn't make a very compelling newspaper headline.

PLUS, imagine the chatter/fun that would occur prior to the "Week Four Reveal" of who's the top 25.


Let me rephrase.  How do you prevent someone from putting out a top 25 preseason - week 3?
 
2013-09-27 01:37:20 PM  
HOW DARE YOU CALL THE MICHIGAN STATE SPARTANS "CUPCAKES!"

Cupcakes NEVER implode and only very rarely do they disappoint.
 
2013-09-27 01:37:45 PM  

slykens1: I suspect the NCAA will eventually allow another game to be scheduled.

Even if they don't I also suspect that the BCS conferences will take football and men's basketball out of the NCAA's hands within ten years anyway.

The NCAA's disciplinary systems are even more arbitrary and capricious than the No Fun League.


I never understood this argument.  The main goal of the university athletic departments is to get exposure for the school and lose as little money as possible while doing so.  How does leaving the NCAA further either goal?  They'll still get the same amount of exposure with or without the NCAA and insisting on amateur athletics while doing a piss poor form of enforcement is a great cover for paying the players less.  If the universities wanted to ensure that the players could get endorsements, money from boosters, or money from the universities themselves, why are they trying so hard to prevent those things from happening right now?
 
2013-09-27 01:45:43 PM  
I bet this was submitted by a Michigan fan.

How's Devin Gardner looking?

See you in East Lansing on November 2nd.
 
2013-09-27 01:47:51 PM  

Hang On Voltaire: Wadded Beef:


Ah, but zillions more people are interested in more frequent excellent matchups, particularly OOC games. That week 3 of this season was an abomination of mismatches isn't healthy for the overall product. ALABAMA TAKES FOOT OFF GAS doesn't make a very compelling newspaper headline.

PLUS, imagine the chatter/fun that would occur prior to the "Week Four Reveal" of who's the top 25.

Let me rephrase.  How do you prevent someone from putting out a top 25 preseason - week 3?


I'd say all rankings prior to week 4 are considered speculation until an officially recognized top 25 list gets revealed. But the speculation would add to the fun, I think.
 
2013-09-27 01:49:50 PM  

skybreaker: How's Devin Gardner looking?


Still looking a zillion times better than, uh, which of your four quarterbacks that suck is starting in the next game again?
 
2013-09-27 01:49:54 PM  

Hang On Voltaire: Wadded Beef:

Why have preseason rankings when no one's done dink on the field yet?

Because people are interested in preseason rankings


They also sell a ton of tickets in the preseason.
 
2013-09-27 01:55:38 PM  

GQueue: skybreaker: How's Devin Gardner looking?

Still looking a zillion times better than, uh, which of your four quarterbacks that suck is starting in the next game again?


Gardner leads the entire nation in turnovers. Michigan State QBs haven't thrown a single pick.

So no, he really doesn't.
 
2013-09-27 02:11:19 PM  

skybreaker: GQueue: skybreaker: How's Devin Gardner looking?

Still looking a zillion times better than, uh, which of your four quarterbacks that suck is starting in the next game again?

Gardner leads the entire nation in turnovers. Michigan State QBs haven't thrown a single pick.

So no, he really doesn't.


See, I like this game.

It's like watching your two big brothers fight. It's fun to see them beat on each other instead of you.

/go Gophers!
 
2013-09-27 02:16:14 PM  

Wadded Beef: I'd say all rankings prior to week 4 are considered speculation until an officially recognized top 25 list gets revealed. But the speculation would add to the fun, I think.


But any speculative rankings would influence the real rankings thus rendering your point moot.
 
2013-09-27 02:20:14 PM  

Henry Holland: Why teams should take cupcakes kind of seriously:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 400x300]

/No dog in the Michigan/Michigan State hunt
//UCLA fan


Hell, the last two weeks they've struggled against Akron and UConn. I don't think they'll be playing tOSU two weeks in a row this year...
 
2013-09-27 02:21:24 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: skybreaker: GQueue: skybreaker: How's Devin Gardner looking?

Still looking a zillion times better than, uh, which of your four quarterbacks that suck is starting in the next game again?

Gardner leads the entire nation in turnovers. Michigan State QBs haven't thrown a single pick.

So no, he really doesn't.

See, I like this game.

It's like watching your two big brothers fight. It's fun to see them beat on each other instead of you.

/go Gophers!


And for a Buckeye fan, it's like watching your two little brothers fight.  It's fun to watch 'em take it out of each other so you don't have to worry about 'em.
 
2013-09-27 02:28:52 PM  
Go fark youself subby.

/MSU alum
 
2013-09-27 02:30:52 PM  

IlGreven: Jim from Saint Paul: skybreaker: GQueue: skybreaker: How's Devin Gardner looking?

Still looking a zillion times better than, uh, which of your four quarterbacks that suck is starting in the next game again?

Gardner leads the entire nation in turnovers. Michigan State QBs haven't thrown a single pick.

So no, he really doesn't.

See, I like this game.

It's like watching your two big brothers fight. It's fun to see them beat on each other instead of you.

/go Gophers!

And for a Buckeye fan, it's like watching your two little brothers fight.  It's fun to watch 'em take it out of each other so you don't have to worry about 'em.


www.factualopinion.com
 
2013-09-27 02:33:36 PM  

IlGreven: Jim from Saint Paul: skybreaker: GQueue: skybreaker: How's Devin Gardner looking?

Still looking a zillion times better than, uh, which of your four quarterbacks that suck is starting in the next game again?

Gardner leads the entire nation in turnovers. Michigan State QBs haven't thrown a single pick.

So no, he really doesn't.

See, I like this game.

It's like watching your two big brothers fight. It's fun to see them beat on each other instead of you.

/go Gophers!

And for a Buckeye fan, it's like watching your two little brothers fight.  It's fun to watch 'em take it out of each other so you don't have to worry about 'em.


Beating the other team 11 out of 15 times in 15 years IS a reason to get a bit uppity.
 
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