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2013-09-27 02:56:32 PM
And I pointed out that violence without empathy or remorse was the definition of "psychopath".  I choose not to work towards a nation of psychopaths.
 
2013-09-27 03:06:32 PM

SwiftFox: And I pointed out that violence without empathy or remorse was the definition of "psychopath".


So when you kill a fly, that is violence without empathy or remorse and you are a psychopath?  When you brush your teeth and kill all of those bacteria without empathy or remorse, you are a psychopath?  When you pluck that carrot out of the ground screaming on the day of their holocaust, you are a psychopath; right Reverend Maynard?
 
2013-09-27 03:51:54 PM

HeadLever: When you brush your teeth and kill all of those bacteria without empathy or remorse

...

The horror...

www.billdoskoch.ca
 
2013-09-27 03:53:00 PM

blunttrauma: dittybopper: One of my neighbors at that time, since moved, had several larger, active dogs that would occasionally get loose.  A 35 lb coyote isn't going to try to attack a 60 lb lab mix.

No, "one" 35lb song-dog is not going to attack a 60 lb Lab, in fact, my mom had a similar lab mix that she say playing with a coyote once.

However, that is an exception to the norm, and often, there is not "one" coyote, but several.  They are pack animals, after all, and they have been known to take down large dogs, attacking from both sides and taking out the back legs.



I've never seen more than two coyotes out hunting together in this area.  Only exception:  I once saw a mother with her pups.

That picture I posted up above of one of them sniffing around the snow for prey is typical of their behavior around here:  A single 'yote, possibly within communication range of others, but out hunting on their own.
 
2013-09-27 03:55:26 PM

cryinoutloud: Scoop84: jso2897: Vainly thought there was a chance to get into this thread before the first idiot who rejects any form of wildlife management that doesn't involve shooting things.
I must have been dreaming.
RTFA, morons - killing them just puts up a "vacancy" sign, and even more of them come. Lunkheads have been shooting them for centuries, and there are more of them than ever. To put it in language you might be able to grasp if you are sober: "Boom-boom way no work. Gotta try something else."
This is true.  It's why we're overrun with bison.

Fact: meso-carnivores don't react to hunting pressures the same way that herbivores do.


That's true:  They're smarter.  That's why they're harder to hunt, and it's also why hunting pressure will keep them at bay.
 
2013-09-27 03:58:36 PM

HeadLever: SwiftFox: And I pointed out that violence without empathy or remorse was the definition of "psychopath".

So when you kill a fly, that is violence without empathy or remorse and you are a psychopath?  When you brush your teeth and kill all of those bacteria without empathy or remorse, you are a psychopath?  When you pluck that carrot out of the ground screaming on the day of their holocaust, you are a psychopath; right Reverend Maynard?


You know, I love how he assumes that just because we hunt animals we have no empathy for them. I have empathy for them. That's why I don't use traps that put the animal in pain. I don't use poisons or methods of killing the animal that cause it to feel needless pain. I make a quick, clean, humane kill with a straight heart shot, and 99% of my kills are dead on their feet or live less than 10 seconds after taking the shot.

I take a shot only when I know I can hit the target, and make a proper kill. I don't do what some idiots do and just blast away. I've caught some hunters who even go so far as to blast away with their shotguns and blow off limbs and gutshot the dear, leaving it laying there, dying in pain, for hours. That's not my way.

I feel empathy for all animals. And what I know is what I see: When a herd of animals overloads their natural habitat, they run out of food and starve. They become susceptible to disease that ends up decimating their populations. They tend to become sickly or threaten to overrun other populations, in some cases wiping out forests or populations of common prey animals and food plants.

When it comes to livestock and crops, animals that are not kept in balance with their habitat are a liability because they tend to break into the feed stores for cattle or eat crops out in the field. They eat a diet that isn't healthy for them and it causes more medical issues, and also can cause the spread of disease to domestic animals like cows and horses.

With regards to Javalina and feral hog, these animals tend to create wallows and rub against trees, killing acres of trees and destroying land. Plus, they are highly territorial and will attack anything that comes close to them, whether or not it's a threat. Because they also breed like rabbits, they can, if left unchecked, destroy grazing lands and crop lands by simply eating and rutting across it, destroying the ground and the crops in the process.

With coyotes, they become a threat to cattle because as their numbers grow, they will pack together and take down bigger prey, and again, if left unchecked, will overwhelm an area with their sheer numbers, attacking domestic animals and humans, and communicating diseases.

Wild animals are not cute little furry pets no one has taken home yet. They're not that mutt with a heart of gold that you see in disney movies. They have an impact on the environment, they have an impact on domestic food production, and they have an impact on property and livelihoods of farmers.  Hunters play a role in this by acting as a predator for game animals have no other natural enemies to hunt them.

You think it's inhumane and "psychopathic" to hunt these animals. I think it's inhumane to allow any animal to go about its natural life without outside forces that act to thin their numbers and keep their population healthy overall.  If you ask any conservationist, they will tell you the same thing: Thinning the numbers of animal populations reduces their load on their environment and extends the life and health of each and every member of the heard as they are able to have a more abundant food supply and a healthier environment overall.

Now, kindly stop talking out of your ass, babbling on about poor bambie while playing with your rickie raccoon plush toy and jerking it to furry porn. Clueless environmentalists who want to save the animals and do everything wrong while on their quixotic crusade to do so do more harm to everyone than they do good.  Pity we don't have any natural predators of humans to thin our population, we could sure use it.
 
2013-09-27 04:08:45 PM

SwiftFox: It's that disconnect from normal human beings that makes some think a good way to impress the ladies is describing turning prairie dogs "into a red mist" and inviting them out to share the thrill and admire their skill doing so, and that made OscarTamerz think he had a free pass for posting (briefly) the barn covered with dead coyotes in a forum used by normal people, simply assuming the rule against posting images of dead animals did not apply because they were coyotes.


They weren't dead animals they were pelts drying for sale for use in making coats.  Milspec arctic wear hoods are lined in coyote fur to prevent face chafing from the frozen rim of the fabric.  They were no more a picture of a dead animal than a steak or a hamburger is a "picture" of a dead animal and the PETA psycho moderator that deleted the post should be fired.
 
2013-09-27 05:16:56 PM
I pet one once after it kindly begged for a bite of my sandwich. I briefly amused myself with thoughts of taking him home.

This was by cristo rey in el paso.

Ymmv.
 
2013-09-27 05:20:24 PM
Around here (Central Texas), a lot of ranchers will leave a coyote corpse hanging on the fence with the idea that other coyotes will get the hint and stay away. My landlord raises cattle and goats, and he's got a couple Great Pyrannees and a few llamas  -- and he hasn't had any coyote attacks since he got the llamas.

Bonus: a couple of his llamas hit it off and now we have a baby llama roaming around the place. SQUEEE! High levels of adorable-o-sity, but I can't get close enough to get a photo. Sorry.
 
2013-09-27 05:50:49 PM

Kit Fister: HeadLever: SwiftFox: And I pointed out that violence without empathy or remorse was the definition of "psychopath".

So when you kill a fly, that is violence without empathy or remorse and you are a psychopath?  When you brush your teeth and kill all of those bacteria without empathy or remorse, you are a psychopath?  When you pluck that carrot out of the ground screaming on the day of their holocaust, you are a psychopath; right Reverend Maynard?

You know, I love how he assumes that just because we hunt animals we have no empathy for them. I have empathy for them. That's why I don't use traps that put the animal in pain. I don't use poisons or methods of killing the animal that cause it to feel needless pain. I make a quick, clean, humane kill with a straight heart shot, and 99% of my kills are dead on their feet or live less than 10 seconds after taking the shot.

I take a shot only when I know I can hit the target, and make a proper kill. I don't do what some idiots do and just blast away. I've caught some hunters who even go so far as to blast away with their shotguns and blow off limbs and gutshot the dear, leaving it laying there, dying in pain, for hours. That's not my way.

I feel empathy for all animals. And what I know is what I see: When a herd of animals overloads their natural habitat, they run out of food and starve. They become susceptible to disease that ends up decimating their populations. They tend to become sickly or threaten to overrun other populations, in some cases wiping out forests or populations of common prey animals and food plants.

When it comes to livestock and crops, animals that are not kept in balance with their habitat are a liability because they tend to break into the feed stores for cattle or eat crops out in the field. They eat a diet that isn't healthy for them and it causes more medical issues, and also can cause the spread of disease to domestic animals like cows and horses.

With regards to Javalina and feral hog, these animals tend to create wallows and rub against trees, killing acres of trees and destroying land. Plus, they are highly territorial and will attack anything that comes close to them, whether or not it's a threat. Because they also breed like rabbits, they can, if left unchecked, destroy grazing lands and crop lands by simply eating and rutting across it, destroying the ground and the crops in the process.

With coyotes, they become a threat to cattle because as their numbers grow, they will pack together and take down bigger prey, and again, if left unchecked, will overwhelm an area with their sheer numbers, attacking domestic animals and humans, and communicating diseases.

Wild animals are not cute little furry pets no one has taken home yet. They're not that mutt with a heart of gold that you see in disney movies. They have an impact on the environment, they have an impact on domestic food production, and they have an impact on property and livelihoods of farmers.  Hunters play a role in this by acting as a predator for game animals have no other natural enemies to hunt them.

You think it's inhumane and "psychopathic" to hunt these animals. I think it's inhumane to allow any animal to go about its natural life without outside forces that act to thin their numbers and keep their population healthy overall.  If you ask any conservationist, they will tell you the same thing: Thinning the numbers of animal populations reduces their load on their environment and extends the life and health of each and every member of the heard as they are able to have a more abundant food supply and a healthier environment overall.

Now, kindly stop talking out of your ass, babbling on about poor bambie while playing with your rickie raccoon plush toy and jerking it to furry porn. Clueless environmentalists who want to save the animals and do everything wrong while on their quixotic crusade to do so do more harm to everyone than they do good.  Pity we don't have any natural predators of humans to thin our population, we could sure use it.


I stopped taking you seriously at "99% of my shots are perfect" and so should everyone else.
 
2013-09-27 05:55:57 PM

Smackledorfer: I stopped taking you seriously at "99% of my shots are perfect" and so should everyone else.


Didn't say 99% of my shots are perfect. i said that 99% of my shots are well aimed. If you can't make a heart-lung side shot at 50 yards, you're doing it wrong. But yes, go ahead and not take my seriously.
 
2013-09-27 05:57:28 PM

Smackledorfer: I stopped taking you seriously at "99% of my shots are perfect" and so should everyone else.


This is what I said:

and 99% of my kills are dead on their feet or live less than 10 seconds after taking the shot.


That says nothing about perfect shooting, that said that 99% of the kills I make are dead on their feet or die within a couple of bounds.
 
2013-09-27 06:02:41 PM
Kit Fister:
You know, I love how he assumes that just because we hunt animals we have no empathy for them. I have empathy for them. That's why I don't use traps that put the animal in pain. I don't use poisons or methods of killing the animal that cause it to feel needless pain. I make a quick, clean, humane kill with a straight heart shot, and 99% of my kills are dead on their feet or live less than 10 seconds after taking the shot.

I take a shot only when I know I can hit the target, and make a proper kill. I don't do what some idiots do and just blast away. I've caught some hunters who even go so far as to blast away with their shotguns and blow off limbs and gutshot the dear, leaving it laying there, dying in pain, for hours. That's not my way.


Um, you pretty much proved his point, although you personally may be empathetic to the animals you hunt, that's not consistent with a lot of hunters out there. Also you fist Kits so the amount of empathy you have for animals is debatable.

Anyway the point of the matter is despite blasting coyotes on sight for centuries it hasn't really solved the issue, instead of hoping that coyotes get the hint, perhaps it's time to try something different?
 
2013-09-27 06:05:50 PM

mikemil828: Anyway the point of the matter is despite blasting coyotes on sight for centuries it hasn't really solved the issue, instead of hoping that coyotes get the hint, perhaps it's time to try something different?


They're animals. they'll do what they want to do. You can't teach them. I'll personally just keep blasting them.
 
2013-09-27 06:21:16 PM

Kit Fister: mikemil828: Anyway the point of the matter is despite blasting coyotes on sight for centuries it hasn't really solved the issue, instead of hoping that coyotes get the hint, perhaps it's time to try something different?

They're animals. they'll do what they want to do. You can't teach them. I'll personally just keep blasting them.


As the article states coyotes adapt extremely well to being actively hunted, even if you get rid of them all from an area they'll be back in a year, it's totally ineffective, ultimately it's just more effective to get the damn donkey to deter them from going after livestock in the first place.
 
2013-09-27 06:44:56 PM

mikemil828: As the article states coyotes adapt extremely well to being actively hunted, even if you get rid of them all from an area they'll be back in a year, it's totally ineffective, ultimately it's just more effective to get the damn donkey to deter them from going after livestock in the first place.


They come back, I shoot them, I collect the bounty. Spending money is always good.
 
2013-09-27 06:45:26 PM
Donkeys?
i.chzbgr.com
 
2013-09-27 07:02:50 PM

Kit Fister: mikemil828: As the article states coyotes adapt extremely well to being actively hunted, even if you get rid of them all from an area they'll be back in a year, it's totally ineffective, ultimately it's just more effective to get the damn donkey to deter them from going after livestock in the first place.

They come back, I shoot them, I collect the bounty. Spending money is always good.


Community notices that you are useless, bounty dries up, eventually the bullets will be worth more than the coyotes.
 
2013-09-27 07:20:08 PM

Kit Fister: Smackledorfer: I stopped taking you seriously at "99% of my shots are perfect" and so should everyone else.

Didn't say 99% of my shots are perfect. i said that 99% of my shots are well aimed. If you can't make a heart-lung side shot at 50 yards, you're doing it wrong. But yes, go ahead and not take my seriously.


Maybe everyone I know who hunts is a retard, but only having one out of 100 kills live more than 10 seconds is either a lie or you are a champion marksman and lucky to boot.

Everyone I know has a handful of stories of, even with perfect aim, deer moving for no reason and a tracking of the wounded deer occuring afterward.

Why wouldn't I doubt your 99% NEAR-perfect claim? I put it right beside farkers claiming to be 150+ IQs, self-made millionaires, etc.
 
2013-09-27 07:37:45 PM

Smackledorfer: Kit Fister: Smackledorfer: I stopped taking you seriously at "99% of my shots are perfect" and so should everyone else.

Didn't say 99% of my shots are perfect. i said that 99% of my shots are well aimed. If you can't make a heart-lung side shot at 50 yards, you're doing it wrong. But yes, go ahead and not take my seriously.

Maybe everyone I know who hunts is a retard, but only having one out of 100 kills live more than 10 seconds is either a lie or you are a champion marksman and lucky to boot.

Everyone I know has a handful of stories of, even with perfect aim, deer moving for no reason and a tracking of the wounded deer occuring afterward.

Why wouldn't I doubt your 99% NEAR-perfect claim? I put it right beside farkers claiming to be 150+ IQs, self-made millionaires, etc.


Fair enough. I will admit the claim could be overestimated, though the intention is still to only shoot with a clear shot. I apologize for not being accurate in my percentages, though of some twenty or thirty animals, thevast majority didn'tlive long. That set your meterback to zero?
 
2013-09-27 07:51:19 PM

Kit Fister: Smackledorfer: Kit Fister: Smackledorfer: I stopped taking you seriously at "99% of my shots are perfect" and so should everyone else.

Didn't say 99% of my shots are perfect. i said that 99% of my shots are well aimed. If you can't make a heart-lung side shot at 50 yards, you're doing it wrong. But yes, go ahead and not take my seriously.

Maybe everyone I know who hunts is a retard, but only having one out of 100 kills live more than 10 seconds is either a lie or you are a champion marksman and lucky to boot.

Everyone I know has a handful of stories of, even with perfect aim, deer moving for no reason and a tracking of the wounded deer occuring afterward.

Why wouldn't I doubt your 99% NEAR-perfect claim? I put it right beside farkers claiming to be 150+ IQs, self-made millionaires, etc.

Fair enough. I will admit the claim could be overestimated, though the intention is still to only shoot with a clear shot. I apologize for not being accurate in my percentages, though of some twenty or thirty animals, thevast majority didn'tlive long. That set your meterback to zero?


Yep. I am good now :)
 
2013-09-27 07:56:31 PM

OscarTamerz: SwiftFox: It's that disconnect from normal human beings that makes some think a good way to impress the ladies is describing turning prairie dogs "into a red mist" and inviting them out to share the thrill and admire their skill doing so, and that made OscarTamerz think he had a free pass for posting (briefly) the barn covered with dead coyotes in a forum used by normal people, simply assuming the rule against posting images of dead animals did not apply because they were coyotes.

They weren't dead animals they were pelts drying for sale for use in making coats.  Milspec arctic wear hoods are lined in coyote fur to prevent face chafing from the frozen rim of the fabric.  They were no more a picture of a dead animal than a steak or a hamburger is a "picture" of a dead animal and the PETA psycho moderator that deleted the post should be fired.


It's the inability of some to understand that things like "Graphic image content: Images that would make most viewers feel ill, upset, or uncomfortable." includes the remains of dozens of dogs killed hanging on a barn as, if they meant less than domesticated animals and their mass killing for fur or whatever reason were therefore more tolerable, that is exactly what I was talking about. However, psychopaths clearly haven't taken over Fark moderation.
 
2013-09-27 07:58:54 PM

mikemil828: Kit Fister: mikemil828: Anyway the point of the matter is despite blasting coyotes on sight for centuries it hasn't really solved the issue, instead of hoping that coyotes get the hint, perhaps it's time to try something different?

They're animals. they'll do what they want to do. You can't teach them. I'll personally just keep blasting them.

As the article states coyotes adapt extremely well to being actively hunted, even if you get rid of them all from an area they'll be back in a year, it's totally ineffective, ultimately it's just more effective to get the damn donkey to deter them from going after livestock in the first place.


In my *ACTUAL* experience, the article is wrong.

They do adapt to being actively hunted by avoiding the areas where they are consistently hunted like the plague.  Which is fine by me.
 
2013-09-27 08:13:28 PM

dittybopper: mikemil828: Kit Fister: mikemil828: Anyway the point of the matter is despite blasting coyotes on sight for centuries it hasn't really solved the issue, instead of hoping that coyotes get the hint, perhaps it's time to try something different?

They're animals. they'll do what they want to do. You can't teach them. I'll personally just keep blasting them.

As the article states coyotes adapt extremely well to being actively hunted, even if you get rid of them all from an area they'll be back in a year, it's totally ineffective, ultimately it's just more effective to get the damn donkey to deter them from going after livestock in the first place.

In my *ACTUAL* experience, the article is wrong.

They do adapt to being actively hunted by avoiding the areas where they are consistently hunted like the plague.  Which is fine by me.


Brofist.
 
2013-09-27 08:14:51 PM

SwiftFox: OscarTamerz: SwiftFox: It's that disconnect from normal human beings that makes some think a good way to impress the ladies is describing turning prairie dogs "into a red mist" and inviting them out to share the thrill and admire their skill doing so, and that made OscarTamerz think he had a free pass for posting (briefly) the barn covered with dead coyotes in a forum used by normal people, simply assuming the rule against posting images of dead animals did not apply because they were coyotes.

They weren't dead animals they were pelts drying for sale for use in making coats.  Milspec arctic wear hoods are lined in coyote fur to prevent face chafing from the frozen rim of the fabric.  They were no more a picture of a dead animal than a steak or a hamburger is a "picture" of a dead animal and the PETA psycho moderator that deleted the post should be fired.

It's the inability of some to understand that things like "Graphic image content: Images that would make most viewers feel ill, upset, or uncomfortable." includes the remains of dozens of dogs killed hanging on a barn as, if they meant less than domesticated animals and their mass killing for fur or whatever reason were therefore more tolerable, that is exactly what I was talking about. However, psychopaths clearly haven't taken over Fark moderation.


I think this year I'm going to draw every license I can just to spite you.
 
2013-09-27 09:04:17 PM

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: SwiftFox: Oh, you just love animals that you advocate slaughtering just because they exist in the neighborhood, and you consider the way of dealing with these animals you love is "get rid of it" for merly trying to live its life; whether in urban or rural areas. You have no concept of attempting to treat animals humanely, and you think that and you are normal? You're a psychopath.

Nonhuman animals are not equal to people. Get over it.


I have the feeling "get under it applies here that that "SwiftFox" is either a furry or a David the Gnome fan.
 
2013-09-27 10:40:27 PM

Fano: Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: SwiftFox: Oh, you just love animals that you advocate slaughtering just because they exist in the neighborhood, and you consider the way of dealing with these animals you love is "get rid of it" for merly trying to live its life; whether in urban or rural areas. You have no concept of attempting to treat animals humanely, and you think that and you are normal? You're a psychopath.

Nonhuman animals are not equal to people. Get over it.

I have the feeling "get under it applies here that that "SwiftFox" is either a furry or a David the Gnome fan.


Meh. I once owned the internet domain "velox.com" back in the 90s. Means "fast" in Latin. Found out Vulpes velox was the name for swift foxes (closely related to kit foxes), made it an icon.  Found out furries existed later. Sold the domain to one of several companies called "velox" once they discovered the Internet existed.
 
2013-09-28 07:34:52 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-09-28 02:09:42 PM
Well, I don't raise animals for a business, but I do live in the country - we see a lot of animals but very few coyotes, which means that they are smart and don't hang around.  I'm going to get a game camera though.  Had a huge bear crap in the yard this week and paw prints on the back door where he tried to get in the cabin.

Twice I've seen a Mountain Lion in the yard, twice a bobcat, couple of times bears, adults and cubs, mule deer.  It's a small yard.

We are careful with our dogs because that's responsible, and we don't feed any wild animals at all unless you consider the food in the live trap for the packrats...they get the Pb solution.

We are not afraid of coyotes or wolves - they are not habituated to our area and there is plenty of real game for them.

Sorry, got to run, need to be at the gun range in 26 minutes.
 
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