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(Business Insider)   Remember that guy who argued in favor of insider trading and for the 99% to give something back? Even these guys think he's not helping   (businessinsider.com) divider line 47
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2013-09-27 08:42:36 AM  
Well, strap in...that asshole's viewpoint is becoming more and more common among corporate leaders. Employees are treated as disposable, non-valued items. A number on a balance sheet. Assets. Property.

/slaves?
//next logical step
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-09-27 08:47:50 AM  

gopher321: /slaves?
//next logical step


No, wage slaves are cheaper than chattel slaves.

this is what you get when people who want to get rich quick run the economy as opposed to people who want to build companies for the long term.
 
2013-09-27 09:02:59 AM  
Nobody sees themselves as the bad guy.  These guys included.
 
2013-09-27 09:14:25 AM  

EvilEgg: Nobody sees themselves as the bad guy.  These guys included.


community.tradeking.com
 
2013-09-27 09:41:11 AM  
I think the only way these Randites will get it is if all of us working stiffs pick a day to strike our consumerism. We will refuse to purchase any item from a publicly held company for a single day.
If that doesn't do it, we'll pick a whole week.

Honestly though, I always prefer to buy from the small business anyway. They still represent what America is about.
 
2013-09-27 10:17:12 AM  

Bonkthat_Again: Honestly though, I always prefer to buy from the small business anyway. They still represent what America is about.


What are you, some kind of communist?
 
2013-09-27 10:20:05 AM  

gopher321: Well, strap in...that asshole's viewpoint is becoming more and more common among corporate leaders. Employees are treated as disposable, non-valued items. A number on a balance sheet. Assets. Property.

/slaves?
//next logical step


Yep. Because they spent so much time vilifying starting or joining a union they can do pretty much anything they want now.
 
2013-09-27 10:26:09 AM  

Bonkthat_Again: I think the only way these Randites will get it is if all of us working stiffs pick a day to strike our consumerism. We will refuse to purchase any item from a publicly held company for a single day.
If that doesn't do it, we'll pick a whole week.

Honestly though, I always prefer to buy from the small business anyway. They still represent what America is about.


I'm not an economist but this is unlikely to work.  Any items that you needed that weren't bought on Tuesday will be bought on Wednesday.  This week or next week, the items still get bought.  People advocated this sort of solution for gas but as was pointed out such a short term fall in sales would be compensated for later.

I would guess that gradually as people are not able to buy anything but the essentials in the long run and businesses begin to wonder where the consumers are(why isn't there any growth?) there will be a reassessment.
 
2013-09-27 10:31:35 AM  

Bonkthat_Again: I think the only way these Randites will get it is if all of us working stiffs pick a day to strike our consumerism. We will refuse to purchase any item from a publicly held company for a single day.
If that doesn't do it, we'll pick a whole week.

Honestly though, I always prefer to buy from the small business anyway. They still represent what America is about.


Koch Industries is not a public company. Neither are Cargill and Mars.
 
2013-09-27 10:38:51 AM  

Gergesa: I would guess that gradually as people are not able to buy anything but the essentials in the long run and businesses begin to wonder where the consumers are(why isn't there any growth?) there will be a reassessment.


This is already happening.
There's even a FARK about it.

Wal-Mart's response to slumping sales is to cut orders and further cut the staff that wasn't sufficient to stock the product to begin with.
 
2013-09-27 10:44:39 AM  
Gergesa:

I'm not an economist but this is unlikely to work.  Any items that you needed that weren't bought on Tuesday will be bought on Wednesday.  This week or next week, the items still get bought.  People advocated this sort of solution for gas but as was pointed out such a short term fall in sales would be compensated for later.

I would guess that gradually as people are not able to buy anything but the essentials in the long run and businesses begin to wonder where the consumers are(why isn't there any growth?) there will be a reassessment.


dumbobruni:


Koch Industries is not a public company. Neither are Cargill and Mars.

I just wish there was something we could do (non-violent of course). Our economy has become one big game of Risk. The middle and poor classes are cramped on Australia, while the Uber-rich has every other continent. It's only a matter of time before it's game-over.
 
2013-09-27 10:56:57 AM  
The guy who was born into a wealthy family who own a giant glass company and who spent his entire career in academia and think tanks "studying" objectivism to argue in defense of industrialists, despite never having worked a day in his life?

Nope, don't recall him.
 
2013-09-27 10:57:57 AM  

Bonkthat_Again: I just wish there was something we could do


start your own company comes to mind
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-09-27 11:00:53 AM  

Sergeant Grumbles: Wal-Mart's response to slumping sales is to cut orders and further cut the staff that wasn't sufficient to stock the product to begin with.


Then the demand will be filled by someone else and Walmart's competitor will gain benefit.
 
2013-09-27 11:00:58 AM  

vpb: gopher321: /slaves?
//next logical step

No, wage slaves are cheaper than chattel slaves.

this is what you get when people who want to get rich quick run the economy as opposed to people who want to build companies for the long term.


Isn't there a story about slavery in 13th century Sweden, where the King during a famine hit on the great idea of freeing the slaves, because if they are your property you are morally obliged not to let them starve, whereas if you free them and then don't pay them enough from their work to buy food to live that is their problem.
 
2013-09-27 11:03:07 AM  

Gergesa: Bonkthat_Again: I think the only way these Randites will get it is if all of us working stiffs pick a day to strike our consumerism. We will refuse to purchase any item from a publicly held company for a single day.
If that doesn't do it, we'll pick a whole week.

Honestly though, I always prefer to buy from the small business anyway. They still represent what America is about.

I'm not an economist but this is unlikely to work.  Any items that you needed that weren't bought on Tuesday will be bought on Wednesday.  This week or next week, the items still get bought.  People advocated this sort of solution for gas but as was pointed out such a short term fall in sales would be compensated for later.

I would guess that gradually as people are not able to buy anything but the essentials in the long run and businesses begin to wonder where the consumers are(why isn't there any growth?) there will be a reassessment.


This is why my family are actually changing the level at which we participate in the economy, which is to say as little as possible. I don't want to buy clothes, I want to buy the fabric and yarn. I don't want processed meals, I want fresh fruit and veggies that I've grown myself. Cars? I have an auto degree, so I can take care of most of that myself too.

The point is to stop participating in the demand side of the economy as much as possible, then take that money and put it in the stock market (where real wealth is made, imo). Better to use money to make more money, than use money to buy things that wear out and break.
 
2013-09-27 11:07:01 AM  

mr lawson: start your own company comes to mind


I suck at business. I do side jobs for near free.

Money doesn't motivate me. I'm only concerned about it because I need it for some things.
 
2013-09-27 11:19:43 AM  

Bonkthat_Again: mr lawson: start your own company comes to mind

I suck at business. I do side jobs for near free.

Money doesn't motivate me. I'm only concerned about it because I need it for some things.


Ditto. And that's a problem if as a whole the country decides that. How dangerous do workers become when money stops being the only string employers can pull?

/best time as a temp worker was telling the boss that it was okay to fire me, because the job was stressful enough I didn't care, and what he wanted was so out of the realm of possibility I would have gotten fired anyway for agreeing and failing to perform
 
2013-09-27 11:31:55 AM  

Peki: Gergesa: Bonkthat_Again: I think the only way these Randites will get it is if all of us working stiffs pick a day to strike our consumerism. We will refuse to purchase any item from a publicly held company for a single day.
If that doesn't do it, we'll pick a whole week.

Honestly though, I always prefer to buy from the small business anyway. They still represent what America is about.

I'm not an economist but this is unlikely to work.  Any items that you needed that weren't bought on Tuesday will be bought on Wednesday.  This week or next week, the items still get bought.  People advocated this sort of solution for gas but as was pointed out such a short term fall in sales would be compensated for later.

I would guess that gradually as people are not able to buy anything but the essentials in the long run and businesses begin to wonder where the consumers are(why isn't there any growth?) there will be a reassessment.

This is why my family are actually changing the level at which we participate in the economy, which is to say as little as possible. I don't want to buy clothes, I want to buy the fabric and yarn. I don't want processed meals, I want fresh fruit and veggies that I've grown myself. Cars? I have an auto degree, so I can take care of most of that myself too.

The point is to stop participating in the demand side of the economy as much as possible, then take that money and put it in the stock market (where real wealth is made, imo). Better to use money to make more money, than use money to buy things that wear out and break.


There is, you know, just one, tiny little flaw in your cunning plan. I'm going to let you think about it until you figure it out yourself.
 
2013-09-27 11:33:18 AM  

Bonkthat_Again: Gergesa:

I'm not an economist but this is unlikely to work.  Any items that you needed that weren't bought on Tuesday will be bought on Wednesday.  This week or next week, the items still get bought.  People advocated this sort of solution for gas but as was pointed out such a short term fall in sales would be compensated for later.

I would guess that gradually as people are not able to buy anything but the essentials in the long run and businesses begin to wonder where the consumers are(why isn't there any growth?) there will be a reassessment.

dumbobruni:


Koch Industries is not a public company. Neither are Cargill and Mars.

I just wish there was something we could do (non-violent of course). Our economy has become one big game of Risk. The middle and poor classes are cramped on Australia, while the Uber-rich has every other continent. It's only a matter of time before it's game-over.


unfortunately most of what Koch does can't be countered through a simple boycott, with the exception of Georgia Pacific.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia-Pacific

Cargill is hard too as the firm makes much of the ingredients that go into food, including things that are classified as "all natural" (which is a misnomer itself)
 
2013-09-27 11:42:38 AM  

jso2897: Peki: Gergesa: Bonkthat_Again: I think the only way these Randites will get it is if all of us working stiffs pick a day to strike our consumerism. We will refuse to purchase any item from a publicly held company for a single day.
If that doesn't do it, we'll pick a whole week.

Honestly though, I always prefer to buy from the small business anyway. They still represent what America is about.

I'm not an economist but this is unlikely to work.  Any items that you needed that weren't bought on Tuesday will be bought on Wednesday.  This week or next week, the items still get bought.  People advocated this sort of solution for gas but as was pointed out such a short term fall in sales would be compensated for later.

I would guess that gradually as people are not able to buy anything but the essentials in the long run and businesses begin to wonder where the consumers are(why isn't there any growth?) there will be a reassessment.

This is why my family are actually changing the level at which we participate in the economy, which is to say as little as possible. I don't want to buy clothes, I want to buy the fabric and yarn. I don't want processed meals, I want fresh fruit and veggies that I've grown myself. Cars? I have an auto degree, so I can take care of most of that myself too.

The point is to stop participating in the demand side of the economy as much as possible, then take that money and put it in the stock market (where real wealth is made, imo). Better to use money to make more money, than use money to buy things that wear out and break.

There is, you know, just one, tiny little flaw in your cunning plan. I'm going to let you think about it until you figure it out yourself.


Go for it.

Widescale reduction in spending causes recession: sure, but we are there anyway. You aren't going to stimulate future spending without present savings.

Fabric and yarn come from China: sure. It's a step. I'm not saying my plan is perfect, but we refine it as we go. We keep a list of dick companies and try our best to steer clear.

Still need to buy something: Well, duh, dude, I'm not going to starve myself just to stop a 1% from getting my buck. But I'm not going to be a one percenter following what everyone else is doing.

What I'd miss?

/just because it's not perfect, that means I shouldn't do it. Right. And we've managed to stash 3K in the bank in spite of massive unemployment in our family because we're doing something wrong.
 
2013-09-27 11:46:11 AM  

Peki: Go for it.

Widescale reduction in spending causes recession: sure, but we are there anyway. You aren't going to stimulate future spending without present savings.

Fabric and yarn come from China: sure. It's a step. I'm not saying my plan is perfect, but we refine it as we go. We keep a list of dick companies and try our best to steer clear.

Still need to buy something: Well, duh, dude, I'm not going to starve myself just to stop a 1% from getting my buck. But I'm not going to be a one percenter following what everyone else is doing.

What I'd miss?

/just because it's not perfect, that means I shouldn't do it. Right. And we've managed to stash 3K in the bank in spite of massive unemployment in our family because we're doing something wrong.


Just a guess, but if everyone puts their money in the stock market (which relies on customers) and simultaneously stop becoming customers, no one's making money.

Your plan is just diverting the problem to everyone else.
 
2013-09-27 11:48:27 AM  

ajgeek: Peki: Go for it.

Widescale reduction in spending causes recession: sure, but we are there anyway. You aren't going to stimulate future spending without present savings.

Fabric and yarn come from China: sure. It's a step. I'm not saying my plan is perfect, but we refine it as we go. We keep a list of dick companies and try our best to steer clear.

Still need to buy something: Well, duh, dude, I'm not going to starve myself just to stop a 1% from getting my buck. But I'm not going to be a one percenter following what everyone else is doing.

What I'd miss?

/just because it's not perfect, that means I shouldn't do it. Right. And we've managed to stash 3K in the bank in spite of massive unemployment in our family because we're doing something wrong.

Just a guess, but if everyone puts their money in the stock market (which relies on customers) and simultaneously stop becoming customers, no one's making money.

Your plan is just diverting the problem to everyone else.


Way to not read my post. Either of them.
 
2013-09-27 11:55:15 AM  

Peki: jso2897: Peki: Gergesa: Bonkthat_Again: I think the only way these Randites will get it is if all of us working stiffs pick a day to strike our consumerism. We will refuse to purchase any item from a publicly held company for a single day.
If that doesn't do it, we'll pick a whole week.

Honestly though, I always prefer to buy from the small business anyway. They still represent what America is about.

I'm not an economist but this is unlikely to work.  Any items that you needed that weren't bought on Tuesday will be bought on Wednesday.  This week or next week, the items still get bought.  People advocated this sort of solution for gas but as was pointed out such a short term fall in sales would be compensated for later.

I would guess that gradually as people are not able to buy anything but the essentials in the long run and businesses begin to wonder where the consumers are(why isn't there any growth?) there will be a reassessment.

This is why my family are actually changing the level at which we participate in the economy, which is to say as little as possible. I don't want to buy clothes, I want to buy the fabric and yarn. I don't want processed meals, I want fresh fruit and veggies that I've grown myself. Cars? I have an auto degree, so I can take care of most of that myself too.

The point is to stop participating in the demand side of the economy as much as possible, then take that money and put it in the stock market (where real wealth is made, imo). Better to use money to make more money, than use money to buy things that wear out and break.

There is, you know, just one, tiny little flaw in your cunning plan. I'm going to let you think about it until you figure it out yourself.

Go for it.

Widescale reduction in spending causes recession: sure, but we are there anyway. You aren't going to stimulate future spending without present savings.

Fabric and yarn come from China: sure. It's a step. I'm not saying my plan is perfect, but we refine it as we go. ...


Ah - you see the flaw - you've just chosen to wish it away.
Good luck with that.
 
2013-09-27 11:59:47 AM  

Sergeant Grumbles: Gergesa: I would guess that gradually as people are not able to buy anything but the essentials in the long run and businesses begin to wonder where the consumers are(why isn't there any growth?) there will be a reassessment.

This is already happening.
There's even a FARK about it.

Wal-Mart's response to slumping sales is to cut orders and further cut the staff that wasn't sufficient to stock the product to begin with.


Basically "dig up stupid".
 
2013-09-27 12:17:38 PM  

Peki: jso2897: Peki: Gergesa: Bonkthat_Again: I think the only way these Randites will get it is if all of us working stiffs pick a day to strike our consumerism. We will refuse to purchase any item from a publicly held company for a single day.
If that doesn't do it, we'll pick a whole week.

Honestly though, I always prefer to buy from the small business anyway. They still represent what America is about.

I'm not an economist but this is unlikely to work.  Any items that you needed that weren't bought on Tuesday will be bought on Wednesday.  This week or next week, the items still get bought.  People advocated this sort of solution for gas but as was pointed out such a short term fall in sales would be compensated for later.

I would guess that gradually as people are not able to buy anything but the essentials in the long run and businesses begin to wonder where the consumers are(why isn't there any growth?) there will be a reassessment.

This is why my family are actually changing the level at which we participate in the economy, which is to say as little as possible. I don't want to buy clothes, I want to buy the fabric and yarn. I don't want processed meals, I want fresh fruit and veggies that I've grown myself. Cars? I have an auto degree, so I can take care of most of that myself too.

The point is to stop participating in the demand side of the economy as much as possible, then take that money and put it in the stock market (where real wealth is made, imo). Better to use money to make more money, than use money to buy things that wear out and break.

There is, you know, just one, tiny little flaw in your cunning plan. I'm going to let you think about it until you figure it out yourself.

Go for it.

Widescale reduction in spending causes recession: sure, but we are there anyway. You aren't going to stimulate future spending without present savings.

Fabric and yarn come from China: sure. It's a step. I'm not saying my plan is perfect, but we refine it as we go. ...


There are other benifits to doing what you are doing that others will never see until they commit themselves to a moral principlethat makes things better for themselves and people they care for.

Carry on  :)
 
2013-09-27 12:24:58 PM  

mr lawson: Bonkthat_Again: I just wish there was something we could do

start your own company comes to mind


Approves of that attitude.
 
2013-09-27 12:26:10 PM  
After all, Mr. Binswanger argues, the employees are just "trading" their labor for the entrepreneur's money. That's the employees' decision, and they don't deserve a penny more than they get.

In that case, the employees are well within their rights to bargain for as many pennies as they can get, right?  Randites are all about self-interest.  And since the entrepeneur holds the advantage, it's the employees' duty to find an advantage of their own.  Say, a bunch of them could unite into some sort of collective so they could bargain more effectively.

But that's just farking evil, right?
 
2013-09-27 12:26:56 PM  
Let's try that again (Ferchrissakes, Mods:  the fargin picture showed in preview!)

mr lawson: Bonkthat_Again: I just wish there was something we could do

start your own company comes to mind


 catherinedelors.com


Approves of that attitude.
 
2013-09-27 12:30:27 PM  

Bondith: After all, Mr. Binswanger argues, the employees are just "trading" their labor for the entrepreneur's money. That's the employees' decision, and they don't deserve a penny more than they get.

In that case, the employees are well within their rights to bargain for as many pennies as they can get, right?  Randites are all about self-interest.  And since the entrepeneur holds the advantage, it's the employees' duty to find an advantage of their own.  Say, a bunch of them could unite into some sort of collective so they could bargain more effectively.

But that's just farking evil, right?


THIS
I really dont understand how free-market thinkers EVER have a problem with unions.
EVER.

Unions are 100% free speech.

/yes, everyone knows that unions can be just as corrupt as everything else in the universe. get over it.
/if the union members dont police their officers and union dues, they deserve what they get.
/just like all the ENRON investors.
/still laughing about that one. poor little tards never complained while the stock was going up, just when it was going down. Why is that??
 
2013-09-27 12:52:51 PM  

Bonkthat_Again: I think the only way these Randites will get it is if all of us working stiffs pick a day to strike our consumerism.


Adbusters has been doing that for 20 years. They pick Black Friday for the convenience.

www.thenextlayer.org
 
2013-09-27 12:52:55 PM  

namatad: Bondith: After all, Mr. Binswanger argues, the employees are just "trading" their labor for the entrepreneur's money. That's the employees' decision, and they don't deserve a penny more than they get.

In that case, the employees are well within their rights to bargain for as many pennies as they can get, right?  Randites are all about self-interest.  And since the entrepeneur holds the advantage, it's the employees' duty to find an advantage of their own.  Say, a bunch of them could unite into some sort of collective so they could bargain more effectively.

But that's just farking evil, right?

THIS
I really dont understand how free-market thinkers EVER have a problem with unions.
EVER.

Unions are 100% free speech.

/yes, everyone knows that unions can be just as corrupt as everything else in the universe. get over it.
/if the union members dont police their officers and union dues, they deserve what they get.
/just like all the ENRON investors.
/still laughing about that one. poor little tards never complained while the stock was going up, just when it was going down. Why is that??


Unions are the free market's response to corporate power. When corporations are able to ban unions, then workers turn to the government for help, which is soshalizm.

It's like Randians are stupid.
 
2013-09-27 01:02:53 PM  
Every day is buy-nothing day when you're poor. Me, I just blew $400 on Games Workshop toy soldiers. :)
 
2013-09-27 01:09:09 PM  
Soon
elizagreenbooks.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-09-27 01:33:28 PM  

vpb: Then the demand will be filled by someone else and Walmart's competitor will gain benefit.


Wal-Mart is the nation's largest employer. It's not as simple as "Go to the competition." Wal-Mart's practices kill wages and demand along with it. It's not just that they're shooting themselves in the foot, they're shooting eveyrone in the foot.
We are talking about a sluggish demand for frickin' Wal-Mart. People might still have enough money to shop at the Dollar Tree, but not for long if Wal-Mart's answer is to cut its workforce.
 
2013-09-27 02:08:01 PM  

Ishkur: Adbusters has been doing that for 20 years. They pick Black Friday for the convenience.


Hey....thanks for the info!
 
2013-09-27 02:30:25 PM  

EdNortonsTwin: Peki: jso2897: Peki: Gergesa: Bonkthat_Again: I think the only way these Randites will get it is if all of us working stiffs pick a day to strike our consumerism. We will refuse to purchase any item from a publicly held company for a single day.
If that doesn't do it, we'll pick a whole week.

Honestly though, I always prefer to buy from the small business anyway. They still represent what America is about.

I'm not an economist but this is unlikely to work.  Any items that you needed that weren't bought on Tuesday will be bought on Wednesday.  This week or next week, the items still get bought.  People advocated this sort of solution for gas but as was pointed out such a short term fall in sales would be compensated for later.

I would guess that gradually as people are not able to buy anything but the essentials in the long run and businesses begin to wonder where the consumers are(why isn't there any growth?) there will be a reassessment.

This is why my family are actually changing the level at which we participate in the economy, which is to say as little as possible. I don't want to buy clothes, I want to buy the fabric and yarn. I don't want processed meals, I want fresh fruit and veggies that I've grown myself. Cars? I have an auto degree, so I can take care of most of that myself too.

The point is to stop participating in the demand side of the economy as much as possible, then take that money and put it in the stock market (where real wealth is made, imo). Better to use money to make more money, than use money to buy things that wear out and break.

There is, you know, just one, tiny little flaw in your cunning plan. I'm going to let you think about it until you figure it out yourself.

Go for it.

Widescale reduction in spending causes recession: sure, but we are there anyway. You aren't going to stimulate future spending without present savings.

Fabric and yarn come from China: sure. It's a step. I'm not saying my plan is perfect, but we refine it as w ...


Aye, but holy crap, it only takes ONE tiny little issue (that at it's root is hypothetical anyway) and the entire idea is bunk. No discussion to make it better, no intelligence, just you're full of shiat, the idea is full of shiat, so there. No wonder fricking Congress is the way it is: *we* aren't any better!

/fark party of no, we are the generation of no, because we are so afraid of failing we won't even try
 
2013-09-27 02:32:25 PM  
That it's was supposed to be possessive, not a contraction.
 
2013-09-27 02:41:27 PM  

jso2897: Peki: jso2897: Peki: Gergesa: Bonkthat_Again: I think the only way these Randites will get it is if all of us working stiffs pick a day to strike our consumerism. We will refuse to purchase any item from a publicly held company for a single day.
If that doesn't do it, we'll pick a whole week.

Honestly though, I always prefer to buy from the small business anyway. They still represent what America is about.

I'm not an economist but this is unlikely to work.  Any items that you needed that weren't bought on Tuesday will be bought on Wednesday.  This week or next week, the items still get bought.  People advocated this sort of solution for gas but as was pointed out such a short term fall in sales would be compensated for later.

I would guess that gradually as people are not able to buy anything but the essentials in the long run and businesses begin to wonder where the consumers are(why isn't there any growth?) there will be a reassessment.

This is why my family are actually changing the level at which we participate in the economy, which is to say as little as possible. I don't want to buy clothes, I want to buy the fabric and yarn. I don't want processed meals, I want fresh fruit and veggies that I've grown myself. Cars? I have an auto degree, so I can take care of most of that myself too.

The point is to stop participating in the demand side of the economy as much as possible, then take that money and put it in the stock market (where real wealth is made, imo). Better to use money to make more money, than use money to buy things that wear out and break.

There is, you know, just one, tiny little flaw in your cunning plan. I'm going to let you think about it until you figure it out yourself.

Go for it.

Widescale reduction in spending causes recession: sure, but we are there anyway. You aren't going to stimulate future spending without present savings.

Fabric and yarn come from China: sure. It's a step. I'm not saying my plan is perfect, but we refine it as w ...


Not wishing anything away. Honestly recognizing the legitimate risk of something happening. You really think 330 million Americans are going to stop buying things? Jeez, I'm not that delusional. Consumer culture was entrenched in the US when the first wife went to the first husband and said, "We can buy a bigger boat than the Jones' if you'll let me work 20 hours a week" (okay, maybe for everyone it wasn't about a boat, but the idea holds). The only way to counteract that now is with a widescale media campaign full of PSAs about what people can actually be doing that would help, but everyone is too wrapped up in advertising dollars to do that. The only one with that kind of up pull is the government, and Americans have a (slightly excessive, but not quite irrational) knee-jerk emotional response to the government trying to tell them anything.

So go ahead and criticize my wish, but my wish has made me 40% on the stock market this year and fresh fruit and vegetables to feed my family. What do your wishes do?
 
2013-09-27 03:22:02 PM  
A Randian cheerleader for the Judeo-Christian mob, how quaint.
 
2013-09-27 03:39:26 PM  

Peki: jso2897: Peki: jso2897: Peki: Gergesa: Bonkthat_Again: I think the only way these Randites will get it is if all of us working stiffs pick a day to strike our consumerism. We will refuse to purchase any item from a publicly held company for a single day.
If that doesn't do it, we'll pick a whole week.

Honestly though, I always prefer to buy from the small business anyway. They still represent what America is about.

I'm not an economist but this is unlikely to work.  Any items that you needed that weren't bought on Tuesday will be bought on Wednesday.  This week or next week, the items still get bought.  People advocated this sort of solution for gas but as was pointed out such a short term fall in sales would be compensated for later.

I would guess that gradually as people are not able to buy anything but the essentials in the long run and businesses begin to wonder where the consumers are(why isn't there any growth?) there will be a reassessment.

This is why my family are actually changing the level at which we participate in the economy, which is to say as little as possible. I don't want to buy clothes, I want to buy the fabric and yarn. I don't want processed meals, I want fresh fruit and veggies that I've grown myself. Cars? I have an auto degree, so I can take care of most of that myself too.

The point is to stop participating in the demand side of the economy as much as possible, then take that money and put it in the stock market (where real wealth is made, imo). Better to use money to make more money, than use money to buy things that wear out and break.

There is, you know, just one, tiny little flaw in your cunning plan. I'm going to let you think about it until you figure it out yourself.

Go for it.

Widescale reduction in spending causes recession: sure, but we are there anyway. You aren't going to stimulate future spending without present savings.

Fabric and yarn come from China: sure. It's a step. I'm not saying my plan is perfect, but we refin ...


Uh - I'm doing the same thing you are - to save my own ass. I just don't kid myself that what I am doing benefits anyone but me, or that the results of EVERYBODY doing what I am wouldn't be catastrophic. But more to the point - I can AFFORD to do it because I own capital - and It's all well and good that we owners of capital can afford to save and be all "moral" and feel grand about ourselves - it won't fix the social and economic sinkhole that is forming in the wake of America's vanishing middle class.
There will never be a society whose members can all live merely by owning capital - and if society reserves all it's rewards for those who own, and provides none for those who produce - well, history tells the tale.
 
2013-09-27 05:03:12 PM  

Peki: Way to not read my post. Either of them.


Well then I don't bloody get it. I reread your post 3 times now and other than my reiterating that not everyone can do that, your solution adds to an already top heavy situation... you know what. I just don't get it.
 
2013-09-27 06:13:23 PM  
That this man exists is amazing to me, and is probably symptomatic of a greater ill afflicting America.  It took the common man thousands of years of struggle to rise out of the mire of serfdom and take just a tiny sliver more of the pie than he had since the first warlord declared himself to be "noble," a tiny sliver of the true value of his work that had been co-opted by said nobility.  And now so many people, mesmerized by a poisonous philosophy, whose ancestors were peasants, are actively trying to put that yoke back upon themselves and assure that their children will be peasants as well.
 
2013-09-27 06:40:27 PM  

ajgeek: Peki: Way to not read my post. Either of them.

Well then I don't bloody get it. I reread your post 3 times now and other than my reiterating that not everyone can do that, your solution adds to an already top heavy situation... you know what. I just don't get it.


Everyone can. Not everyone wants to (whether lazy or tired from working three jobs or the equivalent), or knows how. I can fix the knowing how; I can't do anything about the not wanting to. That does not make what I'm doing wrong.

/read Two-Income Trap. It's a good eye opener on what happened on the consumer side of things.
 
2013-09-27 10:45:25 PM  

gopher321: Well, strap in...that asshole's viewpoint is becoming more and more common among corporate leaders. Employees are treated as disposable, non-valued items. A number on a balance sheet. Assets. Property.

/slaves?
//next logical step


Nope. THIS is the next logical step:

ms-brown.wikispaces.com

"Guillotine Therapy" has been proven to do wonders in curing corporate assholism.
 
2013-09-28 10:57:50 AM  

TV's Vinnie: gopher321: Well, strap in...that asshole's viewpoint is becoming more and more common among corporate leaders. Employees are treated as disposable, non-valued items. A number on a balance sheet. Assets. Property.

/slaves?
//next logical step

Nope. THIS is the next logical step:

[ms-brown.wikispaces.com image 475x346]

"Guillotine Therapy" has been proven to do wonders in curing corporate assholism.


I don't think the nation is ready for that step, Yet... However, some of the Walmart and fast food workers are showing that the next steps will need to be national work slowdowns, inevitably followed by national work stoppages. Any strong police crackdown on work stoppages, if the news is circulated, can gain sympathy for the strikes. I suspect when that fails, then the guillotines and firing squads will be attempted.

However, you might note that the modern kings and queens don't have to travel in waylay-able horse carriages anymore. They will just hop into their private helicopters and private jets and go somewhere they can buy another government.
 
2013-09-28 11:11:54 AM  
silly season:

I don't think the nation is ready for that step, Yet... However, some of the Walmart and fast food workers are showing that the next steps will need to be national work slowdowns, inevitably followed by national work stoppages. Any strong police crackdown on work stoppages, if the news is circulated, can gain sympathy for the strikes. I suspect when that fails, then the guillotines and firing squads will be attempted.

That's just it. These crackdowns won't be circulated. The mainstream media is totally owned by the filthy rich elite and will make sure that the workerdrones only get what the elites wants them to think.

Look at the way they portrayed the Occupy movement as a mob of dirty hippie losers and potential terrorists, and how they managed to create a whole "tea party" movement dedicated to protecting rich people and tear down the government.
 
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