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(CNN)   You have nothing to fear with the NSA spying program. Absolutely nothing at all   (cnn.com) divider line 147
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2013-09-27 03:17:38 AM
Did the Obvious tag get itself on the no-fly -post list or something?


Anyone not see this coming?

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*crickets*
 
2013-09-27 03:22:24 AM
Spying and stalking are two different things.
 
2013-09-27 07:39:56 AM

Abacus9: Spying and stalking are two different things.


Unless, you know, they're not.
 
2013-09-27 07:40:38 AM

Abacus9: Spying and stalking are two different things.


Thats the problem

Some people can't help themselves
 
2013-09-27 07:41:12 AM
Cops have been doing this since they started having organized police forces.  People will abuse their power to keep an eye on someone, especially when it comes to relationships.  It doesn't make it right, it just surprises me that people find this newsworthy.
 
2013-09-27 07:42:09 AM
I love that people are still pissed at Snowden.
 
2013-09-27 07:45:08 AM

HotWingConspiracy: I love that people are still pissed at Snowden.


Thats not what gets me

What gets me is the ultra partisanship this whole NSA mess wrought

Many Democrats have to defend their man in the White House. Ideology be damned.

At the same time, many Republicans have to bash the man in the White House. Ideology be damned.

Ugh
 
2013-09-27 07:46:47 AM
oyster.ignimgs.com
 
2013-09-27 07:47:46 AM
If this means that the NSA is aware of the length of my penis, then I'm OK with it. Because I know that those needle-dicked dweebs are intimidated.
 
2013-09-27 07:49:34 AM

cman: What gets me is the ultra partisanship this whole NSA mess wrought

Many Democrats have to defend their man in the White House. Ideology be damned.

At the same time, many Republicans have to bash the man in the White House. Ideology be damned.


I disagree that the NSA has become partisan.  I don't recall a credible lawmaker accusing Obama of breaking the law.  Both sides agree the PATRIOT ACT should remain in effect and unamended.
 
2013-09-27 07:49:37 AM

cman: Abacus9: Spying and stalking are two different things.

Thats the problem

Some people can't help themselves


This. Something like the NSA relies on the idea that the people in charge will always do the right thing. People, by their nature, aren't capable of this.
 
2013-09-27 07:49:39 AM

freak7: Unless somebody is stealing my bank account or credit card numbers, who the fark cares.


Everyone should care. It's wrong. Not caring is what they depend on to push even more authoritative measures down your throat.
 
2013-09-27 07:50:43 AM
Based on the logic of today's right wing political outrage machine, since there are a few documented cases of abuse, this means we need to eliminate the whole program, right? Just like Food Stamps and Unemployment and Welfare and Social Security?
 
2013-09-27 07:51:57 AM
"Unless somebody is stealing my bank account or credit card numbers, who the fark cares."

Move along, little myrmidon.
 
2013-09-27 07:53:29 AM
It's not stalking if you really, really love them

/despite what it says on her restraining order
 
2013-09-27 07:55:08 AM

MaestroJ: This. Something like the NSA relies on the idea that the people in charge will always do the right thing. People, by their nature, aren't capable of this.


This.  Spying on ex's could be easily fixed by a system of checks and balances.  If an agent wants to gather information on someone in the US, they need to get approval from an independent body, perhaps some type of court.
 
2013-09-27 07:55:22 AM
If the government shuts down, who would spy on us then?
 
2013-09-27 07:57:13 AM
Yeah like when my old boss used to say trust me. That ment "I'm gonna fark you over and you can do nothing about it."
 
2013-09-27 07:57:17 AM

Muta: MaestroJ: This. Something like the NSA relies on the idea that the people in charge will always do the right thing. People, by their nature, aren't capable of this.

This.  Spying on ex's could be easily fixed by a system of checks and balances.  If an agent wants to gather information on someone in the US, they need to get approval from an independent body, perhaps some type of court.


But you'll notice, the article cops to the last guy having access to his ex's emails, which the NSA has denied repeatedly the ability to do.
 
2013-09-27 07:57:23 AM
In totally unrelated news, lawmakers are debating making rear-view cameras mandatory for new cars.
 
2013-09-27 07:57:29 AM
Well, duh. Next we'll find out cops are getting away with crimes.
 
2013-09-27 08:00:01 AM

Irving Maimway: Muta: MaestroJ: This. Something like the NSA relies on the idea that the people in charge will always do the right thing. People, by their nature, aren't capable of this.

This.  Spying on ex's could be easily fixed by a system of checks and balances.  If an agent wants to gather information on someone in the US, they need to get approval from an independent body, perhaps some type of court.

But you'll notice, the article cops to the last guy having access to his ex's emails, which the NSA has denied repeatedly the ability to do.


Its ok. We can trust them. There is a Democrat in office
 
2013-09-27 08:02:29 AM
FTFA: "We shouldn't tolerate even one instance of misuse of this program."

The irony is off the charts captain! She canna take any more!

*facepalm*
 
2013-09-27 08:02:47 AM
It has nothing to do with what they do with the info.  It has everything to do with if we should want them to collect it in the first place.  I for one say no.  Fight terrorists in a different manner than you curently do please.  Remember they are supposed to work for us as we want them to not the other way around.
 
2013-09-27 08:06:33 AM
msghelp.net

And in other news, Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead.
 
2013-09-27 08:06:38 AM
Nooooo sh*t. Ya don't say.

ftfa: "The letter also says there are two additional incidents now under investigation and another allegation pending that may require an investigation."

Haha, right. Is this like police "investigations" where a team of peers look over the findings, then wink at the senior command with an a-ok hand gesture?
 
2013-09-27 08:07:22 AM

Muta: cman: What gets me is the ultra partisanship this whole NSA mess wrought

Many Democrats have to defend their man in the White House. Ideology be damned.

At the same time, many Republicans have to bash the man in the White House. Ideology be damned.

I disagree that the NSA has become partisan.  I don't recall a credible lawmaker accusing Obama of breaking the law.  Both sides agree the PATRIOT ACT should remain in effect and unamended.


Yep. The partisans are fine with this. Democrats are now OK with it because their guy is in office and the Republicans are OK with it because their guys are OK with it and Bush started it.
 
2013-09-27 08:08:55 AM
NINE. ELEVEN.
 
2013-09-27 08:12:37 AM
FTFA: The National Security Agency's internal watchdog detailed a dozen instances in the past decade in which its employees intentionally misused the agency's surveillance power, in some cases to snoop on their love interests.

Okay, the apologist argument is "that was barely 1 a year, settle down, it's no big deal."

The reason that will work is because it's true.

The reason it's actually wrong is because while I don't expect the NSA to be perfect and never have its people abuse their power, the people who abuse power have to be held accountable.  And of course, they have not, will not.
 
2013-09-27 08:15:04 AM
No shiat? Wow. I'd have never expected something like this. In fact, I'm sure nobody did.

Oh, wait, no... what I mean is this is exactly the type of thing a lot of us warned would happen back when PATRIOT was being rammed down everyone's throats and 2/3 of the country was jerking off to its contents because TURRERISM!

How are all those bills coming along to undo this shiat or provide real oversight anyway? Oh, they're not? Just some more biatching about us discovering that the inevitable did actually happen to people who cheerled for it?

Well, okay then. Call me when we get the next round of aimless whining.
 
2013-09-27 08:16:08 AM
I'm more concerned about sharing info with the FBI, DEA, and political parties. Anyone who thinks this doesn't happen is a fool.
 
2013-09-27 08:16:24 AM

MaestroJ: cman: Abacus9: Spying and stalking are two different things.

Thats the problem

Some people can't help themselves

This. Something like the NSA relies on the idea that the people in charge will always do the right thing. People, by their nature, aren't capable of this.


The consequences for getting caught aren't severe enough. If they get a finger chopped off instead of being allowed to resign, I bet there would be less abuse of power
 
2013-09-27 08:16:34 AM

cman: HotWingConspiracy: I love that people are still pissed at Snowden.

Thats not what gets me

What gets me is the ultra partisanship this whole NSA mess wrought

Many Democrats have to defend their man in the White House. Ideology be damned.

At the same time, many Republicans have to bash the man in the White House. Ideology be damned.

Ugh


You;re the real racistpartisan for pointing it out.

Joking aside, bringing it up doesn't actually help.  You frame it as a partisan issue and inject the annoying/offensive/wrong false equivalence fallacy instead of focusing the dialogues and narratives on stopping this.
 
2013-09-27 08:17:05 AM
The part I love the most is where they show government employees clearly violating peoples' rights and breaking the law, but nobody gets punished because they resign. "Stan then raped and killed everyone in his entire office. He resigned before he could be disciplined."
 
2013-09-27 08:17:51 AM

poe_zlaw: The part I love the most is where they show government employees clearly violating peoples' rights and breaking the law, but nobody gets punished because they resign. "Stan then raped and killed everyone in his entire office. He resigned before he could be disciplined."


They handled it internally.
 
2013-09-27 08:18:27 AM
Subby, why do you hate America?
 
2013-09-27 08:20:00 AM

poe_zlaw: The part I love the most is where they show government employees clearly violating peoples' rights and breaking the law, but nobody gets punished because they resign. "Stan then raped and killed everyone in his entire office. He resigned before he could be disciplined."


Sounds about right for our entire government
 
2013-09-27 08:20:46 AM

freak7: Unless somebody is stealing my bank account or credit card numbers, who the fark cares.


Please tell me you don't vote.
 
2013-09-27 08:21:00 AM

poe_zlaw: The part I love the most is where they show government employees clearly violating peoples' rights and breaking the law, but nobody gets punished because they resign. "Stan then raped and killed everyone in his entire office. He resigned before he could be disciplined."


You forgot to add "resigned with a full severance package and benefits paid for by the raped and murdered victims"
 
2013-09-27 08:21:32 AM
My newest pickup line: "Hey baby how you doin'?  I don't work for the NSA!"
 
2013-09-27 08:21:38 AM

Muta: MaestroJ: This. Something like the NSA relies on the idea that the people in charge will always do the right thing. People, by their nature, aren't capable of this.

This.  Spying on ex's could be easily fixed by a system of checks and balances.  If an agent wants to gather information on someone in the US, they need to get approval from an independent body, perhaps some type of court.


Just as a note of accuracy, these incidents that are reported are known specifically because some sort of checks and balances brought them to light.

Now, I suppose you could speculate that there are loads and loads of undetected person spying incidents, and that these were the few that didn't get away with it.  But that would simply be speculation at this point.
 
2013-09-27 08:24:19 AM

Irving Maimway: But you'll notice, the article cops to the last guy having access to his ex's emails, which the NSA has denied repeatedly the ability to do.


I don't think this is true.  I don't believe the NSA has ever said they couldn't access your e-mails if they had reason to, just that they didn't, unless they had a warrant.

It's easy to imagine someone misusing the tools to step past this particular nicety.
 
2013-09-27 08:26:30 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: Bslim: NINE. ELEVEN.THIRTEEN.FIFTEEN

see? we can all count by twos...

/everyone join in.


Yeah, keep licking that boot.
 
2013-09-27 08:27:02 AM
Old news is so exciting. This was reported weeks ago and was also greenlit back then.
 
2013-09-27 08:27:50 AM
It barely happened a dozen times, damn you guys are sensitive to gross violations of privacy.

It's simple: if you don't date, or talk to, or happen to catch the eye of anyone working for the NSA, you have nothing to worry about. They are probably only stalking those people, so stop worrying so much about who knows this or that about the intimate details of your life. Think about all the terrorists they're stopping from listening to your phone calls. You don't want terrorism listening to your calls do you?
 
2013-09-27 08:27:59 AM
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2013-09-27 08:28:14 AM

Muta: MaestroJ: This. Something like the NSA relies on the idea that the people in charge will always do the right thing. People, by their nature, aren't capable of this.

This.  Spying on ex's could be easily fixed by a system of checks and balances.  If an agent wants to gather information on someone in the US, they need to get approval from an independent body, perhaps some type of rubber-stamp court.

 
2013-09-27 08:28:19 AM

Muta: MaestroJ: This. Something like the NSA relies on the idea that the people in charge will always do the right thing. People, by their nature, aren't capable of this.

This.  Spying on ex's could be easily fixed by a system of checks and balances.  If an agent wants to gather information on someone in the US, they need to get approval from an independent body, perhaps some type of court.


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Hmmmm, do you think that would work?
 
2013-09-27 08:29:35 AM

poe_zlaw: The part I love the most is where they show government employees clearly violating peoples' rights and breaking the law, but nobody gets punished because they resign. "Stan then raped and killed everyone in his entire office. He resigned before he could be disciplined."


Problem is, it's not illegal.

The organization can spy, and when it shouldn't be but does that's a civil violation because you can't jail an organization.  The spy himself violated company policy, but he was part of the organization so his actions were still just a civil violation.  You can SUE either one but probably won't win for various reasons (mostly, they are big and powerful).

If we had some sort of "criminal negligence" law you could probably try him on that, but I'm not sure we do and I'm quite sure that it's toothless and weak and lacks many tools for gathering "classified" or "proprietary" data from the corporations and police departments andNSA needed to actually convict someone.

Also?  Stalkers and spies of the domestic variety get pretty light sentences.  A stalker usually gets a pretty short sentence (or no sentence at all) and a restraining order.
 
2013-09-27 08:30:00 AM
I pay cash now when I shop at the Iranian supermarket down the street.
 
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