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(CBS News)   Pro tip: when both you and your co-pilot fall asleep during a passenger flight, try to be cool. Don't scream "my GOD how long have we been out?" for the audio recorder   (cbsnews.com) divider line 18
    More: Obvious, British, Civil Aviation Authority, regulatory body, Airbus A330, lack of sleep  
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2013-09-27 09:26:25 AM
Twice in two days? I'm glad I don't fly that airline
 
2013-09-27 09:30:54 AM
It's deja vu all over again.
 
2013-09-27 09:31:15 AM
this is all political.  Most of these planes can safely fly themselves.  If the pilots need sleep, I would rather them get the sleep they need during the uneventful cruise speeds at 35,000 feet so they can be rested and alert for take offs and landings.
 
2013-09-27 09:31:39 AM
Here's a protip:  When you are the guy that is supposed to be awake while the other sleeps, but you awake and realize no one noticed....KEEP YOUR DAMN FOOL MOUTH SHUT
 
2013-09-27 09:32:02 AM
It's deja vu all over again.
 
2013-09-27 09:33:01 AM
It's OK they were on instruments.
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2013-09-27 09:33:17 AM
I don't see the problem, it is called auto pilot.
 
2013-09-27 09:34:50 AM

ltdanman44: this is all political.  Most of these planes can safely fly themselves.  If the pilots need sleep, I would rather them get the sleep they need during the uneventful cruise speeds at 35,000 feet so they can be rested and alert for take offs and landings.


I'd agree, but still, take shifts, seriously, they're dumb for doing that

/so i guess i don't agree with you
 
2013-09-27 09:37:36 AM

ltdanman44: this is all political.  Most of these planes can safely fly themselves.  If the pilots need sleep, I would rather them get the sleep they need during the uneventful cruise speeds at 35,000 feet so they can be rested and alert for take offs and landings.


Because nothing ever goes wrong at 35,000 feet...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_447

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_232
 
2013-09-27 09:37:48 AM

KingVJ: I don't see the problem, it is called auto pilot.


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2013-09-27 09:38:43 AM

KingVJ: I don't see the problem, it is called auto pilot.


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2013-09-27 09:39:42 AM
I doubt autopilot monitors weather or listens to radio reports.
 
2013-09-27 09:40:55 AM
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2013-09-27 09:41:33 AM

No Time To Explain: take shifts


they had 5 hours sleep in 2 days.  Both needed sleep, hence my post.  Ideally, yes you want one to sleep and one awake but this situation was far from ideal.
 
2013-09-27 09:41:46 AM

pkrzycki: It's deja vu all over again.


Now I'm confused.
 
2013-09-27 09:47:36 AM

wxboy: Because nothing ever goes wrong at 35,000 feet...


those are 10 million to 1 odds the latter of which was caused by equipment failure.  Rested pilots or not, that plane was going down.
 
2013-09-27 09:57:49 AM

ltdanman44: wxboy: Because nothing ever goes wrong at 35,000 feet...

those are 10 million to 1 odds the latter of which was caused by equipment failure.  Rested pilots or not, that plane was going down.


Those were two extreme examples, sure, but, in the case of United 232, people survived because of the pilots.  I highly doubt that would have been the case if they had been asleep when the engine exploded.  And in the case of Air France 447, well, it's my understanding that the crash was avoidable had the pilots recognized what was going on in time.  If they're asleep, no chance of that.

My point was that the pilots aren't there so much anymore to fly the airplane in normal conditions mid-flight, they're there to deal with emergencies so that everyone doesn't die every time something goes wrong.  Having them asleep works against that.
 
2013-09-27 10:02:10 AM

wxboy: ltdanman44: wxboy: Because nothing ever goes wrong at 35,000 feet...

those are 10 million to 1 odds the latter of which was caused by equipment failure.  Rested pilots or not, that plane was going down.

Those were two extreme examples, sure, but, in the case of United 232, people survived because of the pilots.  I highly doubt that would have been the case if they had been asleep when the engine exploded.  And in the case of Air France 447, well, it's my understanding that the crash was avoidable had the pilots recognized what was going on in time.  If they're asleep, no chance of that.

My point was that the pilots aren't there so much anymore to fly the airplane in normal conditions mid-flight, they're there to deal with emergencies so that everyone doesn't die every time something goes wrong.  Having them asleep works against that.


If there are 2, and 1 is awake, I can live with that.
 
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