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2013-09-26 11:58:17 PM
About a third, 32%, are true believers. Another 32% are spiritual but not religious. And 28% consider themselves secular.

Bah. Spirituality is religion for people with commitment issues.
 
2013-09-27 12:07:28 AM

fusillade762: About a third, 32%, are true believers. Another 32% are spiritual but not religious. And 28% consider themselves secular.

Bah. Spirituality is religion for people with commitment issues.


I disagree.  You can believe in a higher power and at the same time recognize that the religious books are the work of men in an attempt to understand God, and they've been filtered through countless translations and scribes before they arrived in the form we know today, at times changed by those with political or personal agendas as well as altered unintentionally through choices of translation or mistakes of penmanship.

Religion isn't a problem in and of itself, it's those that use it to exclude and condemn others that give it a bad name.
 
2013-09-27 12:10:04 AM
They say "God" like there's only one.
 
2013-09-27 12:14:52 AM

dillenger69: They say "God" like there's only one.


In the Abrahamic religions it is all the same God, just different interpretations of him.  If you want to include the pantheistic religions as well you could view their multiple gods as the different aspects of the monotheistic religions' one god.

It doesn't have to be a matter of 'one is correct and the rest are wrong'.  You can choose to believe that the scriptures and religious beliefs of various cultures all point to the same higher power, but have come to different ways of attempting to understand the nature of that higher power.
 
2013-09-27 02:03:53 AM
"Isn't it amazing, that the religion in which you were indoctrinated into for the first 18 years of your life just happens to be the correct one? How lucky each one of you are."

religion is a delusion
the sooner humanity starts treating it as such, the sooner we can stop killing each other because of a delusion

/I have infinitely more proof that god does not exist than you have that god does exist/
 
2013-09-27 02:05:57 AM

TuteTibiImperes: dillenger69: They say "God" like there's only one.

In the Abrahamic religions it is all the same God, just different interpretations of him.  If you want to include the pantheistic religions as well you could view their multiple gods as the different aspects of the monotheistic religions' one god.

It doesn't have to be a matter of 'one is correct and the rest are wrong'.  You can choose to believe that the scriptures and religious beliefs of various cultures all point to the same higher power, but have come to different ways of attempting to understand the nature of that higher power.


who cares?
study was done at trinity college .... sorry, but studies done by religious institutions ... well, there are not high on my list of trusted sources

on the other hand
who cares?!
did they ask these same children if they were all brainwashed into believing the same religion of their parents? or were they given a well rounded religious education and allowed to pick the religion which fit them best?

/LOL nope
 
2013-09-27 03:10:28 AM
While very few Americans identify as atheists or agnostics, a growing number fall into the "none" category.

Behold the power of prejudice.
 
2013-09-27 04:58:06 AM

fusillade762: About a third, 32%, are true believers. Another 32% are spiritual but not religious. And 28% consider themselves secular.

Bah. Spirituality is religion for people with commitment issues.


Or, religion is spirituality for people with literalism issues.

namatad: /I have infinitely more proof that god does not exist than you have that god does exist/


No, you don't. It can't be proven either way. However, it all depends on how you define "god".
 
2013-09-27 05:36:02 AM
Farkers arguing about God. I'll get my own beer & popcorn.
 
2013-09-27 05:38:26 AM
I was promised pizza toppings in the article! Fark.com is a lie!

Cake is still honest though, right?
 
2013-09-27 05:41:25 AM
well...
 
2013-09-27 05:43:38 AM

Abacus9: fusillade762: About a third, 32%, are true believers. Another 32% are spiritual but not religious. And 28% consider themselves secular.

Bah. Spirituality is religion for people with commitment issues.

Or, religion is spirituality for people with literalism issues.

namatad: /I have infinitely more proof that god does not exist than you have that god does exist/

No, you don't. It can't be proven either way. However, it all depends on how you define "god".


A lack of evidence of god can be viewed as proof of no god.
 
2013-09-27 05:44:23 AM

TuteTibiImperes: I disagree. You can believe in a higher power and at the same time recognize that the religious books are the work of men in an attempt to understand God


I disagree. You can experience spirituality without believing in any "higher power" at all.
=Smidge=
 
2013-09-27 05:55:13 AM

fusillade762: About a third, 32%, are true believers. Another 32% are spiritual but not religious. And 28% consider themselves secular.

Bah. Spirituality is religion for people with commitment issues.


Either that or they're desoerately trying to get laid.
 
2013-09-27 05:56:51 AM

Joce678: fusillade762: About a third, 32%, are true believers. Another 32% are spiritual but not religious. And 28% consider themselves secular.

Bah. Spirituality is religion for people with commitment issues.

Either that or they're desoerately desperately trying to get laid.


FTFM.
 
2013-09-27 05:58:12 AM

Smidge204: TuteTibiImperes: I disagree. You can believe in a higher power and at the same time recognize that the religious books are the work of men in an attempt to understand God

I disagree. You can experience spirituality without believing in any "higher power" at all.
=Smidge=


Astrophysics and cosmology are more spiritual experiences than anything man has invented.
 
2013-09-27 06:03:14 AM
 
2013-09-27 06:06:26 AM

TuteTibiImperes: fusillade762: About a third, 32%, are true believers. Another 32% are spiritual but not religious. And 28% consider themselves secular.

Bah. Spirituality is religion for people with commitment issues.

I disagree.  You can believe in a higher power and at the same time recognize that the religious books are the work of men in an attempt to understand God, and they've been filtered through countless translations and scribes before they arrived in the form we know today, at times changed by those with political or personal agendas as well as altered unintentionally through choices of translation or mistakes of penmanship.

Religion isn't a problem in and of itself, it's those that use it to exclude and condemn others that give it a bad name.



Oh you're one of them. And you're actually wrong.

Religion IS the problem.  100% of the time.
 
2013-09-27 06:11:00 AM
I have found that young people will say they are "spiritual" so as not to rejected by the older generations and non-freethinking friends who they feel would be insulted or shocked  to find out they have outright rejected religion.

They'll basically go to christenings, weddings and funerals only to "keep the piece" with the old folks.

However, then trend in the younger generations of my family has been non-church weddings and memorial services with a few token "shout outs to god" thrown in to keep the grandmas happy.
 
2013-09-27 06:11:43 AM

evilbryan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anchovy_%28food%29

There's my Mana. :)


From reading the link (literally the link in your comment) I thought it was going to be about food *for* anchovies, like what anchovies are fed, and now I'm disappointed that it's about anchovies *as* food.

I was imagining a tiny little canister of TetraMin fish flakes for anchovies ad that notion gave me a lot of comfort and satisfaction.

/disappointed
 
2013-09-27 06:20:24 AM
farm4.staticflickr.com

Different people have different opinions on things.
 
2013-09-27 06:20:31 AM
I imagine the percentages break down as follows ...

32% women that hold to a specific faith
32% men who are spiritual because they know when they get married, they'll probably end up with the faith their wife has
28% men and women who probably won't bother ever going to any church
8% "nones" who just wish an atheistic politician could be voted into office so we could start fixing all this broken crap
 
2013-09-27 06:20:41 AM
I, myself, find solace in the power of the three Golden Goddesses - Din, Nayru, and Farore - and their most sacred creation, the Triforce.

I know that if evil were to come to this world then they shall send their vessel, a hero clad in green

/Why, yes, I am a Legend of Zelda fan.
//Why do you ask?
 
2013-09-27 06:22:01 AM
Tomato sauce, sliced meatballs, sausage and or pepperoni, any kind of cheese. and you've got me happy. I also like sliced baked potato, any kind of hot peppers. I wish my favorite pizza parlor would give me their crust recipe, but they said no.
 
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2013-09-27 06:29:45 AM
Pepperoni pizza all the way. I can't eat spirituality, therefore it doesn't matter to me.
 
2013-09-27 06:33:33 AM

namatad: "Isn't it amazing, that the religion in which you were indoctrinated into for the first 18 years of your life just happens to be the correct one? How lucky each one of you are."

religion is a delusion
the sooner humanity starts treating it as such, the sooner we can stop killing each other because of a delusion

/I have infinitely more proof that god does not exist than you have that god does eHo


What is the burden of proof that something does not exist?  Than no one has ever experienced it?   Thousands of people have experienced God, you just choose to poo poo their stories.

Kinda like Bigfoot.  I bet you dont believe in Bigfoot either, huh?  Theres no "proof" that Bigfoot exists, though thousands of people have seen Bigfoot.

What about ghosts?  Do ghosts exist?  Ghosts exist to people who have seen them.  People who have not will belittle any evidence you bring to their attention.

Bigfoot, Ghosts, Sea Monsters, hot 50 year virgin brides, Fairies, Jackalopes,  Wookies, Rapunzel, God.... they are all the same thing really.  If you are determined to see something as fictional, it will be fictional to you until it reaches out and grabs you
 
2013-09-27 06:35:38 AM
Hey America. What's up with the link between religion and opposition against gun control? I don't see Jesus packing heat.

/Let God sort 'm out?
 
2013-09-27 06:41:18 AM
You can't be both Christian and a gun owner. Pick one, either follow Jesus and lay down your gun (sword) or follow Satan.
 
2013-09-27 06:42:23 AM
I are deeply impressed by this highly scientifical "study".
 
2013-09-27 06:43:26 AM

TuteTibiImperes: If you want to include the pantheistic religions as well you could view their multiple gods as the different aspects of the monotheistic religions' one god.


You just go up to some tibe somewheer and tell them that all their gods are simply your one god. Try and get it on camera, it would probably be very anthropologially interesting what manner of rituals they have around that kind of remarks.

Either there are many or there is one. None of this "the many aspects of one, but they all have their own name, aspect and personamlity" bullshiat.
 
2013-09-27 06:43:29 AM

Princess Ryans Knickers: You can't be both Christian and a gun owner. Pick one, either follow Jesus and lay down your gun (sword) or follow Satan.


Isn't it a little early in the day for this sort of thing?
 
2013-09-27 06:51:36 AM
The amount of people who are absolutely wrong on this issue is astounding. It's sausage strips you farking idiots.
 
2013-09-27 06:52:48 AM
"Princess Ryans Knickers: You can't be both Christian and a gun owner. Pick one, either follow Jesus and lay down your gun (sword) or follow Satan.

Isn't it a little early in the day for this sort of thing?"

Meth hasn't kicked in yet.
 
2013-09-27 06:54:03 AM
When I was in college I fell into the spiritual but not religious camp. I didn't like organized religion and it seemed illogical, but I had never thought about it much. I suspect most college students haven't questioned what they actually think yet, and most aren't far enough removed from just accepting what their parents believe.
 
2013-09-27 06:59:33 AM

dillenger69: They say "God" like there's only one.


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Too Many Gods
 
2013-09-27 07:24:50 AM

Smidge204: TuteTibiImperes: I disagree. You can believe in a higher power and at the same time recognize that the religious books are the work of men in an attempt to understand God

I disagree. You can experience spirituality without believing in any "higher power" at all.
=Smidge=


I like mushroms too! :)
 
2013-09-27 07:34:14 AM
you dont need justice if you have god
you dont need law and order if you have god
you dont need *********** if you have god

those are all humanist concepts that you can do without
obey god (as translated by your local holy man)

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2013-09-27 07:35:15 AM

Smidge204: TuteTibiImperes: I disagree. You can believe in a higher power and at the same time recognize that the religious books are the work of men in an attempt to understand God

I disagree. You can experience spirituality without believing in any "higher power" at all.
=Smidge=


Signing your posts is a smidge douchetastic.
 
2013-09-27 07:46:14 AM

Aar1012: I, myself, find solace in the power of the three Golden Goddesses - Din, Nayru, and Farore - and their most sacred creation, the Triforce.

I know that if evil were to come to this world then they shall send their vessel, a hero clad in green

/Why, yes, I am a Legend of Zelda fan.
//Why do you ask?


Hey! Listen!
 
2013-09-27 07:58:08 AM
Look, it is very simple.  Take all the reasons why you know various pagan gods do not exist, then apply that logic to your own god(s), and if you are truly honest, you will realize that your own god(s) don't exist as well.  Unless you are a pagan, then do the reverse, and apply why you know everyone else's god's are baloney to your own.

Now, some of you are going to be holding out, because you "just know", or feel it in your heart that your god(s) exist.  I know, because when I was a Mormon, I felt the same exact way about Mormonism's gods and Joseph Smith.  I had those same exact feelings telling me that Joseph Smith really did see God and Jesus, and that the Book of Mormon was really the history of ancient Jewish people living in America.  I just knew that when my teachers taught me about Asians migrating into America, over some land bridge that once connected Siberia to Alaska, that it just had to be a lie made up by anti-Mormons, the way anti-Christians made up stuff about evolution and the earth being billions of years old.   Then I found out Smith gave three completely different conflicting accounts of the first time he saw God, which is funny, because you'd think you would remember such a thing kind of clearly.  Then I found out there was no middle eastern DNA in the Native American population that preceded Columbus.  I then realized that good feelings are a horrible thing to base your opinions on, especially when those opinions are telling you to deny rights to other people.
 
2013-09-27 08:01:27 AM
Religion is claiming that your unprovable is correct at the exclusion of others.
Reality is claiming that all unprovable stories are irrelevant nonsense.

Both sides are not equally likely, both sides do not carry equal weight.
 
2013-09-27 08:06:52 AM
While I can be open-minded about many religious ideas, we need a crusade against whoever thought pineapple should be a pizza topping.

/The Hawaiians!
//Thanks Obama!
 
2013-09-27 08:08:49 AM

TuteTibiImperes: If you want to include the pantheistic religions as well you could view their multiple gods as the different aspects of the monotheistic religions' one god.


Yeah, if you want to be a heretic.
 
2013-09-27 08:09:32 AM

Lenny_da_Hog: While very few Americans identify as atheists or agnostics, a growing number fall into the "none" category.

Behold the power of prejudice.


THIS.

The number of actual atheists is much much higher, but the atheist "brand" is still so toxic that people go through elaborate mental gymnastics to find some other label to identify with.  Hence the "none" category and, I would argue, many "agnostics."

If you look at how college students actually behave, there really are very few true believers.
 
2013-09-27 08:11:34 AM

fusillade762: Spirituality is religion for people with commitment issues.


More like "I'm not ready to admit that I'm an atheist, yet."
 
2013-09-27 08:15:11 AM

Abacus9: No, you don't. It can't be proven either way.


Yes it can.  If a god existed, they could easily choose to prove it.

uh...nobody: A lack of evidence of god can be viewed as proof of no god.


That's not how proof works.
 
2013-09-27 08:16:11 AM

TuteTibiImperes: dillenger69: They say "God" like there's only one.

In the Abrahamic religions it is all the same God, just different interpretations of him.  If you want to include the pantheistic religions as well you could view their multiple gods as the different aspects of the monotheistic religions' one god.

It doesn't have to be a matter of 'one is correct and the rest are wrong'.  You can choose to believe that the scriptures and religious beliefs of various cultures all point to the same higher power, but have come to different ways of attempting to understand the nature of that higher power.


Or it could be that ancient humans, when confronted with things that they didn't understand, just made something up.  The similarities in what they made up says more about how the human mind interprets things than the validity of their explanations.

Go look up some Theory of Mind experiments with young children for demonstrations on how people come up with highly consistent, yet incorrect, observations of certain phenomena.
 
2013-09-27 08:17:31 AM
About a third, 32%, are true believers. Another 32% are spiritual but not religious. And 28% consider themselves secular.

So what you are saying is that 64% of college students believe in magic.  Well I guess it really is true that just about anybody can get themselves a degree.
 
2013-09-27 08:25:24 AM
Thank god...
 
2013-09-27 08:29:06 AM
I'd like to help some college girls find god.

/if you know what I mean
//and I think you do
 
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